HuK has a lot of potential and is going to explode within a year. Why? His losses are mostly due to small flaws and decision making ~ theres something that hasn't clicked yet, and once it clicks, he is going to dominate like no other protoss besides MC. Against inca and July, his builds were very solid and impressive, he lost to inca because he forcefielded the dts and brought his obs back, otherwise they would have gotten enough probe kills for HuK to win, he read inca's playstyle and created a build that would have won except for that. Against July his build was also well timed and thought out, he was so close to beating July several times and I feel like some decision making threw him off in the late midgame, and he wasn't really prepared for that kind of strategy.

SpecFire

United States1681 Posts

April 26 2011 18:46 GMT

#2402

HuK

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((( nooooo... i want to see you shine buddy but you keep failing

needmoreMicro

36 Posts

April 26 2011 18:47 GMT

#2403

sad to see huk heading into code A. as much as it sucks, only huk is to blame for this.

how2TL

1197 Posts

April 26 2011 18:52 GMT

#2404

Feels like if Tester didn't get stuck with 2 PvP's then he would have been fine.

SeRenExZerg

United States401 Posts

April 26 2011 18:55 GMT

#2405

inca with the ridiculous comeback in game 2 vs rain. such a sick game.

brentsen

1252 Posts

April 26 2011 18:56 GMT

#2406

On April 27 2011 03:03 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I don't know how much this has been talked about already (going through 120 pages would be a bit rediculous) but this means that an Up and Down group could be Jinro/HuK/Code A person....

I'm not even sure if that was bad. I mean Huk is pretty much guaranteed to get a tough up/down match since he gets one of MC, MKP, Byun, Kyrix, Jinro, Lyn, Tester, Rain + Code A.
Jinro on the other hand could get a decent group.

Schmexi

Sweden341 Posts

April 26 2011 18:58 GMT

#2407

On April 27 2011 02:15 ppshchik wrote:
Not trying to offend any HuK fans for calling him overrated, but Huk seems to be a player whose fame+hype is greater than his skill level.

HuK might get a chance in up/downs if he faced a Zerg, I however don't see him beating MMA / MVP

Well on the MMA/MVP thing, I wouldn't favor anyone over these in the up&downs in a Bo3.

But HuK do need some luck with his group, the top 8 of Code A will be damn scary no matter what though, I hope he can stay in Code S though.

jmbthirteen

United States10734 Posts

April 26 2011 19:15 GMT

#2408

I like how losing to Inca (a great PvP player) and July (one of the best sc2 players) makes Huk overrated... He still qualified for Code S, which is way more than most other pro's can say.

Vorlik

1522 Posts

April 26 2011 19:17 GMT

#2409

Tester was so close. Sad picture =(

I feel he's more deserving of ro16 than anypro because his other MU's are better. Hopefully he can stay in code S. I think he will be happy about the new patch (=

As the days go on I find myself more excited for Code A's lineup than Code S. mma, bomber, min, boxer, mvp, coca, ryung, tassadar...i just find them all so entertaining lol.

Justanx

United States240 Posts

April 26 2011 19:18 GMT

#2410

Why do we have to be nice to anyone. If you're not a fan of that person.

Are major league fans from one city supposed to like the other teams from other cities. Should I cheer on a team that has taunted my team. Just because my team didn't make it to the play- offs. I would hope that other teams loses. Its part of the competition. A player that hypes himself and then can't produce will eventually get bashed. If he does well, then we go back and say hmmmm maybe he is all that and a biscuit.

If I am not a fan of that person why can't I hope he crashes and burns. Its a sport. If the PR for that person stinks, then it stinks. The sponsor should rectify it. If the sponsor doesn't get involved then they are the ones losing out. Sponsors are in it to win it. Of course they are here to help the team and sports, but they are the ones that will rise or fall on the back of their players. If their player is doing badly then the manager needs to step in and take charge. That's why they are the managers.

For people to say "Why do we keep bashing this player?", I ask you why not. Should we all be a fanboys of everyone. I can't be. If the player we hate does make a amazing rise, why can't we wish for his downfall.

This is a growing sport, there has to be good guys and bad guys and winners and losers.

So if people want to hate on certain players "Why Not?"

If you want to defend your player then "Why not?"

But to say don't bash him"He is going through a slump." then he to either needs to sh*** or get of the pot. Not up to us to fire him, but its up to him to realize it and either step it up or find a way out.

i.e If I hate Dallas and love the Redskins, why cant I root for anyone that plays against Dallas (its an example)

My point in summation, is this, Fans telling other fans not to hate on their player is ridiculous. If they are in the public eye then they will get public scrutiny. If the sponsor allow their players to run around unmuzzled then the team pays.

hitman133

United States1425 Posts

April 26 2011 19:18 GMT

#2411

Lol Inca's game was the best comeback ever. This guy's PvP is really insane too.

bebe01

Korea (South)512 Posts

April 26 2011 19:25 GMT

#2412

People seem to forget how solid inca's PvP is.. remember gsl season 1? dude won like 6 pvps in a row

Monzterg

Sweden257 Posts

April 26 2011 19:29 GMT

#2413

On April 27 2011 03:45 Newguy wrote:
HuK has a lot of potential and is going to explode within a year. Why? His losses are mostly due to small flaws and decision making ~ theres something that hasn't clicked yet, and once it clicks, he is going to dominate like no other protoss besides MC. Against inca and July, his builds were very solid and impressive, he lost to inca because he forcefielded the dts and brought his obs back, otherwise they would have gotten enough probe kills for HuK to win, he read inca's playstyle and created a build that would have won except for that. Against July his build was also well timed and thought out, he was so close to beating July several times and I feel like some decision making threw him off in the late midgame, and he wasn't really prepared for that kind of strategy.

No you're wrong. HuK is loosing because he doesnt have as good of a understanding of the game as the other players. He is lacking ALOT of fundamentals and is really only equipped with tricks and micro and that simply aint got to cut it against strong fundamentals that people are now starting to accuire.

It did cut it early in the SC2 stage because noone really had strong fundamentals because it wasnt possible to have that at that stage.

To stop falling further and further behind HuK needs to get real and stop thinking he's a top player and work on the fundamentals instead of trying to equip himself with more tricks.

His fanboys needs to get real too btw.

Once he comes to some realisations and falls down on earth he might be able to turn it around because he seems to be a really driven and inspired SC2 player, but he has ALOT of work to dig through once he does.

Nifel

706 Posts

April 26 2011 19:33 GMT

#2414

Siding with or expressing disappointment over a particular player is fine and all. But there's a limit to what's sensible. In a perfect world fans of eSports would be above talking smack and hating individual players just because they might not live up the expectations. So what if other "sports" have it. It's an ugly and utterly unnecessary thing we could do without.

Maaarek

Germany37 Posts

April 26 2011 19:38 GMT

#2415

WOW! I recently watched the hole last vod, that last map between rain and inca was amazing.

PartyBiscuit

Canada4525 Posts

April 26 2011 19:41 GMT

#2416

Oh man, Inca was sweating out the panic when the cut to him during the faux base race situation, can't believe that game (easily best of the day).

sOvrn

United States678 Posts

April 26 2011 19:46 GMT

#2417

Omg!! I can't believe Rain lost that game!!!!!!!! So good for Inca. Rain definitely is not code S material man.

chipmonklord17

United States11944 Posts

April 26 2011 19:49 GMT

#2418

On April 27 2011 03:56 brentsen wrote:

Show nested quote +

Well I was going from more of the foriegner bias in me saying that if they're in the same up and down group that means theres a VERY good chance one of them doesnt make it out. And to be honest I think if he got Rain/Kyrix/Lyn he would stand a pretty good chance.

Also holy shit do the pics of Rain/Tester/HuK make me depressed. You could see how upset they all were.

meowmasta

146 Posts

April 26 2011 19:59 GMT

#2419

6/6 on liquidbets, and 4th on the liquidbet ladder :D

proxY_

United States1561 Posts

April 26 2011 20:17 GMT

#2420

Rain may very well lose in up and down and then immediately fall out of code a after that, I don't know how you can regain confidence. Rain also had problems with confidence to begin with stemming from the community flaming him for all the all-ins he did. I'm just so in shock about that game, you could throw most diamond level players if not platinum level players into the situation he was in and they'd win that. There were literally like 6 or 7 different things that he had to screw up to let inca back into the game and he screwed all of them up (not lifting buildings particularly the cc that died to one stalker, wasted supply drops, letting a dt kill like 25 scvs when he had like 6 scans and he could've just scanned and attacked with scvs, just terrible).

As far as Huk goes, he has major problems with fundamentals. We've known this for awhile hes not really a strong macro player. He relies on really early timing attacks, typically on two base and if those attacks get shut down and the game transitions into a longer macro game he typically doesn't do very well. With players and the game getting more refined and more developed and tournament maps getting larger in order to trend toward more macro games, Huk is going to fall behind unless he works on that aspect of his play and I haven't seen it from him yet.