EPT[GSL May] Code S ro32 Day 4 - Page 122
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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Ezze
Canada934 Posts
On April 27 2011 02:33 demonik187 wrote: His fame and hype are because of his skill level... give the kid a break he's in a completely different world than he's used to. He's also dealing with relatively new found efame, which I'm sure is great, but you can't tell me that isn't gonna be a distraction. I'd almost bet his head isn't in the right place right now. All this stuffs gotta take some time to get used to. That being said, even I am disappointed with some decisions that were made in that game. I can kinda understand where he was coming from. I would have gotten a little frustrated over July's ploy of moving back and forth too, but I'm not a top level player. A little bit of patience could have won you that game bud. I'm sure you know that though. Ain't mad at ya brah.. just sucks man. I was hoping to see you whoop some Korean ass! No offense to the koreans <3 His fame is because of mothership rushes for the most part. He has never really impressed me with any sort of solid play versus difficult opponents. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
On April 27 2011 05:17 proxY_ wrote: Rain may very well lose in up and down and then immediately fall out of code a after that, I don't know how you can regain confidence. Rain also had problems with confidence to begin with stemming from the community flaming him for all the all-ins he did. I'm just so in shock about that game, you could throw most diamond level players if not platinum level players into the situation he was in and they'd win that. There were literally like 6 or 7 different things that he had to screw up to let inca back into the game and he screwed all of them up (not lifting buildings particularly the cc that died to one stalker, wasted supply drops, letting a dt kill like 25 scvs when he had like 6 scans and he could've just scanned and attacked with scvs, just terrible). As far as Huk goes, he has major problems with fundamentals. We've known this for awhile hes not really a strong macro player. He relies on really early timing attacks, typically on two base and if those attacks get shut down and the game transitions into a longer macro game he typically doesn't do very well. With players and the game getting more refined and more developed and tournament maps getting larger in order to trend toward more macro games, Huk is going to fall behind unless he works on that aspect of his play and I haven't seen it from him yet. I totally agree with you, proxY! Huk analisys was perfect. I ll add something: Everytime a zerg goes muta against Huk, he goes blink stalkers, but it makes really hard to get out of your base. I ve watched many matched of him losing to muta/ling, muta/roach. He never goes Phoenix. | ||
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sleigh bells
United States358 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On April 27 2011 04:29 Monzterg wrote: No you're wrong. HuK is loosing because he doesnt have as good of a understanding of the game as the other players. He is lacking ALOT of fundamentals and is really only equipped with tricks and micro and that simply aint got to cut it against strong fundamentals that people are now starting to accuire. It did cut it early in the SC2 stage because noone really had strong fundamentals because it wasnt possible to have that at that stage. To stop falling further and further behind HuK needs to get real and stop thinking he's a top player and work on the fundamentals instead of trying to equip himself with more tricks. His fanboys needs to get real too btw. Once he comes to some realisations and falls down on earth he might be able to turn it around because he seems to be a really driven and inspired SC2 player, but he has ALOT of work to dig through once he does. Dude... he lost to Inca, a PvP specialist and July, a GSL season finalist who has looked good against the best players in the game. He almost had July beaten and if it was not for that ridiculous FF against Inca that game MIGHT have gone differently. I think you need to wake up.... all the other top foreigners cant even get out of round 1 of code A and he qualified for code S. Sheesh. I hope July makes it to at least round of 4. He is exciting to watch. | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On April 27 2011 06:08 mrtomjones wrote: Dude... he lost to Inca, a PvP specialist and July, a GSL season finalist who has looked good against the best players in the game. He almost had July beaten and if it was not for that ridiculous FF against Inca that game MIGHT have gone differently. I think you need to wake up.... all the other top foreigners cant even get out of round 1 of code A and he qualified for code S. Sheesh. I hope July makes it to at least round of 4. He is exciting to watch. Well if HuK wants to keep his foot in the door for Code S he is going to have to beat good players like you mentioned. I knew he was going to get 2-0'd, he isn't Code S material. Kind of feel bad for him for making it there, he should be in Code A with other players closer to his level. Not sure why you're telling us to wake up when the majority of his televisted matches have been lackluster, and his GSL match record has been horrible (6-6 through Code A, 2-3 in Up-and-Downs, 0-2 in Code S). | ||
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havox_
Germany442 Posts
On April 27 2011 05:22 Ezze wrote: His fame is because of mothership rushes for the most part. He has never really impressed me with any sort of solid play versus difficult opponents. Not a fanboy, but still lol^^ You make the conclusion that he is famous cuz of motherships, because he didnt impress YOU?^^ | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On April 27 2011 06:47 havox_ wrote: Not a fanboy, but still lol^^ You make the conclusion that he is famous cuz of motherships, because he didnt impress YOU?^^ To be fair, that's probably what began his fame along with being on TL. HuK hasn't posted a result really since coming 3rd in DC. His current winrate in Korea is 36.84% and his games through Code A were NOT convincing (I don't think this is opinion as it is more of a fact). He may be a fun and impressive player to watch for ladder streaming, but he has more than failed to deliver on the tournament front thus far. It's unfortunate and I hope he can stay in Code S because I feel it's more of his nerves getting to him than anything. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On April 27 2011 04:49 chipmonklord17 wrote: Well I was going from more of the foriegner bias in me saying that if they're in the same up and down group that means theres a VERY good chance one of them doesnt make it out. And to be honest I think if he got Rain/Kyrix/Lyn he would stand a pretty good chance. Also holy shit do the pics of Rain/Tester/HuK make me depressed. You could see how upset they all were. I was under the impression that Huk can't be in a same group as Rain for up and down? | ||
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Mephiztopheles1
1124 Posts
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On April 27 2011 06:08 mrtomjones wrote: Dude... he lost to Inca, a PvP specialist and July, a GSL season finalist who has looked good against the best players in the game. He almost had July beaten and if it was not for that ridiculous FF against Inca that game MIGHT have gone differently. I think you need to wake up.... all the other top foreigners cant even get out of round 1 of code A and he qualified for code S. Sheesh. I hope July makes it to at least round of 4. He is exciting to watch. He was given the Code A spot for winning some other tournament instead of working his up from Code B to get Code A via qualifying though...and then he barely held up in those games he seems to perform horribly in tournament settings compared to his ladder play ( nervous? ) and his winrate in korea is like quite low compared to other players just another 0-2... to go... with the very strong Code A players this season coming up... | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On April 27 2011 06:08 mrtomjones wrote: Dude... he lost to Inca, a PvP specialist and July, a GSL season finalist who has looked good against the best players in the game. He almost had July beaten and if it was not for that ridiculous FF against Inca that game MIGHT have gone differently. I think you need to wake up.... all the other top foreigners cant even get out of round 1 of code A and he qualified for code S. Sheesh. I hope July makes it to at least round of 4. He is exciting to watch. I don't understand this concept. So by your logic, Huk should just hope he gets lucky and continues to get weak players? That's not how the mind of a champion works. If you want to be the best you gotta beat the best. I said it before back in his code A run- he was beating players who he was supposed to beat, and losing to ones he was supposed to lose to. Even the games he won looked shady. His code A run honestly wasn't impressive. At this point, I honestly don't think he belongs on code S. You can't just hope to get bad people in your bracket. What if one day you get stuck with MC and Mvp in a group? Oh wait that already happened, poor hyperdub =( Good luck Huk in the up and downs, it's gonna be tough this season. | ||
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sAfuRos
United States743 Posts
On April 27 2011 06:08 mrtomjones wrote: Dude... he lost to Inca, a PvP specialist and July, a GSL season finalist who has looked good against the best players in the game. He almost had July beaten and if it was not for that ridiculous FF against Inca that game MIGHT have gone differently. I think you need to wake up.... all the other top foreigners cant even get out of round 1 of code A and he qualified for code S. Sheesh. I hope July makes it to at least round of 4. He is exciting to watch. IdrA code S success repeatedly, question mark? And whatever, it doesn't matter who he lost to; Code S is Code S. Thats the level of play of players in Code S. If he can't keep up (and im inclined to say he isn't Code S yet based on those games and recent performance), than he doesn't deserve Code S. | ||
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Drlemur
United States153 Posts
In the past, there would come a point in a long game where he seemed to hesitate or get indecisive. You'd notice a minute would go by without him doing anything to influence the outcome of the game (no harass, no expansion, no tech switch). I think lots of macro practice will hammer that out for him. I didn't see that hesitation happen last night. Against Inca, he lost at the meta-game. If he had 4-gated, Inca would have been very much on the defensive with the 3-gate/robo, so he seemed to gamble on Inca needing to 4-gate to beat Huk's 4gate and if he did, the dts would have worked. They live in the same house and probably know each others' style pretty well, plus everybody knows how random PvP can be about rock/paper/scissors in early build choices. He played a strong game against July but didn't seem to have a plan to counter July's aggressive/mobile zerg play that kept him from moving out when he was ahead. He was running a big gas surplus at points and bringing in high templar probably would have done it there, especially against July's low drone style. But July is awesome, so losing to him is no shame. Remember that being in the bottom 16 of the strongest league in the world is no embarrassment. Huk earned his way in through Code A and the up/down. His micro skills are already very strong -- if he can get into a tier 1/1.5 unit battle based on FFs and blink micro, he's going to beat a lot of people a lot of the time. I hope he just stays focused and keeps improving. I think he can hang around Code S for awhile and start getting comfortable playing against and beating other top pros. | ||
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SpecFire
United States1681 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On April 27 2011 07:08 Sein wrote: I was under the impression that Huk can't be in a same group as Rain for up and down? Unless there's a rule I'm unaware of dealing with group stage play and up and down matches, because HuK came in last and Rain came in 3rd they have the potential to be in the same group (for the up and down matches). | ||
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moargas
31 Posts
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psycroptic
Canada115 Posts
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Seditary
Australia7033 Posts
On April 27 2011 07:21 rysecake wrote: I don't understand this concept. So by your logic, Huk should just hope he gets lucky and continues to get weak players? That's not how the mind of a champion works. If you want to be the best you gotta beat the best. I got to agree with this bit, just look at July last season, picks MC for his group cause he knows if he wants to be a champion like in SC1 he's got to beat the best players. He lost then to MC but that only helps him become better in the future. Making excuses for players losing to other good players only helps them fail more. | ||
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