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mathemagician1986
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany549 Posts
April 23 2011 21:42 GMT
#6241
On April 24 2011 06:39 jalstar wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:39 mathemagician1986 wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:37 jalstar wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:35 OneOther wrote:
I hate how people like jalstar are derailing this thread away from what Thorzain has done and how entertaining the series was. Shut up dude. Nobody cares whether you think MC is a better player, or how badly Thorzain is going to lose to Kas. Jesus.


Stop overhyping players who have done nearly nothing that completely underhyped players (MKP, Polt) have done as well. The pro-foreigner bias is crazy.


I don't know why you are so butt hurt. It was an awesome series.


??

Did I say it wasn't?


well, not exactly. but most people just like to enjoy the series for what it is. you're spreading a bad mood, for no apparent reason.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
April 23 2011 21:42 GMT
#6242
On April 24 2011 06:36 arterian wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:34 Hunterai wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:25 Skipton wrote:
Great series, still would consider MC the better player overall though. Win % in mirror match ups are very different, and MC does have 2 GSL titles.


Who is the better overall player?....

MC was the the player with more past success.
And I think that ThorZaIN was the better prepared player.

But I believe that if we ask this question a few months from now, i think it's more likely that we will say ThorZaIN was the better player overall. :-D


I disagree

Why are people fighting about who the better player is?

If ThorZain is the better player, then good for him! He's better than MC now!

If MC is the better player, ThorZain still beat him. Victory went to ThorZain because he played brilliantly, not because MC failed some all in or something. These were macro games and everything about it was awesome.

It doesn't matter who's better. ThorZain won, we are allowed to celebrate his win. Stop trying to take away the awesomeness of his win.

Haters gonna hate.
lalala
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 23 2011 21:42 GMT
#6243
On April 24 2011 06:38 kalleralle wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:35 10or10 wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?

This is no insult to Thorzain. His builds are excellent. His execution is not notable however.

In what ways did the execution falter?


Uhm, the way he completely just threw away game 4? He had it won before he went into Mcs main and sacrificed like 6-8 medivacs and his entire army for 2 pylons and a dark shrine. Pretty humongous blunder imo.


That's not apart of his "build" that was in question here. That was a strategic decision.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
DetrA
Profile Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
April 23 2011 21:42 GMT
#6244
On April 24 2011 06:40 dubRa wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:33 Skipton wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!


Yes he lost in a series 3-2, but can you honestly say Thorzain can take 2 GSL titles? his TvT is something around 65%. MC has the best PvP in the world. 1 series is not a determinant of who's "better"


My head hurts. Who is the better player means who is better among two people. Give Thorzain 8months in oGs house, 5 qualifier chances of GSL and you think he wouldn't as well as MC?


Were talking about who is better not who is more talented. Hard work goes just as far as natural talent in starcraft.
"Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence." -Calvin Coolidge
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
April 23 2011 21:42 GMT
#6245
Thanks mods. Going to leave this thread now, man was this epic! My best moment watching SC2 so far! GG and thanks TL!

Copenhagen Games to round this evening off!
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
Tracedragon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States948 Posts
April 23 2011 21:42 GMT
#6246
So many upsets in TSL3, but it's a good thing. Shows that foreigners are catching up to KR. :D
Do the impossible, see the invisible. Row, row, fight the power!
maahes`ra
Profile Joined January 2011
United States255 Posts
April 23 2011 21:42 GMT
#6247
Everyone, if you write MC a letter and explain how hard you fought for him in this LR thread it will surely ease the sting of getting bodied so brutally.

I promise.
( ._.) ( ._) ( .) ( ) (≖ ) (‿≖ ) (≖‿≖ ) (≖‿≖) ( ≖‿≖) ( -‿-)
Snerren
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden58 Posts
April 23 2011 21:42 GMT
#6248
Holy crap todays games were utterly baller! TSL is awesome.
I'll take you all on!
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
April 23 2011 21:42 GMT
#6249
On April 24 2011 06:37 jalstar wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:35 OneOther wrote:
I hate how people like jalstar are derailing this thread away from what Thorzain has done and how entertaining the series was. Shut up dude. Nobody cares whether you think MC is a better player, or how badly Thorzain is going to lose to Kas. Jesus.


Stop overhyping players who have done nearly nothing that completely underhyped players (MKP, Polt) have done as well. The pro-foreigner bias is crazy.

User was temp banned for this post.


Ouch, some serious anti-terran issues we have here, don't we ?...
10or10
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden517 Posts
April 23 2011 21:43 GMT
#6250
On April 24 2011 06:38 kalleralle wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:35 10or10 wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?

This is no insult to Thorzain. His builds are excellent. His execution is not notable however.

In what ways did the execution falter?


Uhm, the way he completely just threw away game 4? He had it won before he went into Mcs main and sacrificed like 6-8 medivacs and his entire army for 2 pylons and a dark shrine. Pretty humongous blunder imo.

That's one example of bad decision-making, but with that as the proof of "clearly the better player" I still can't see it, I need more explaining to understand.
|| @10or10 || 이영호 이제동 - 화이팅 ^^ ||
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
April 23 2011 21:43 GMT
#6251
On April 24 2011 06:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:36 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?


How can someone be "clearly the better player" if they make several strategic blunders?

OTHER THAN THEM. God, how many times do I need to rewrite that? His micro/macro etc were better. His builds, upgrade timing etc were not at all.


Sorry, I did miss that part. In that case it's kind of a poor way to put it, why not say that Thorzain had much better builds and upgrades while MC had better micro/macro? That seems less likely to draw fire from the internet and doesn't take away from Thorzain's ability as a player.

Sorry ^_^

Thorzain came up with great builds, I'm not taking anything from him. However I haven't found his mechanics notable (not bad, just not notable) so I don't know how he'll hold up once people adapt. In particular how will he do against people who upgrade early and don't respond badly to funky builds?
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:47:49
April 23 2011 21:43 GMT
#6252
On April 24 2011 06:41 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:34 jalstar wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 dark fury wrote:
naniwa or thorzain is gonna win this thing. sorry kas but thorz is simply on another level


Kas will rape Thorzain, Thorzain has great TvP while Kas has great everything.


This! I honestly think i would be happier to see MC lose to Kas than to Thorzain. Kas is a complete player, while Thorzain is just good on TvP with his upgrade timmings and non common army composition.

Protoss still didnt figure a way to deal efficiently with heavy thor build, yeah there are several possible ways to deal with it, but everyone seems to have a possible way and everytime there is a game with heavy thor composition usually you see something different from the protoss usually failing. It's strange why terrans dont use that more often.


So go and watch the copenhagen tournament and you have your Kas vs MC serie.

+ Show Spoiler +
MC is up 3-0
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Skipton
Profile Joined December 2010
United States707 Posts
April 23 2011 21:44 GMT
#6253
On April 24 2011 06:40 dubRa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:33 Skipton wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!


Yes he lost in a series 3-2, but can you honestly say Thorzain can take 2 GSL titles? his TvT is something around 65%. MC has the best PvP in the world. 1 series is not a determinant of who's "better"


My head hurts. Who is the better player means who is better among two people. Give Thorzain 8months in oGs house, 5 qualifier chances of GSL and you think he wouldn't as well as MC?


I don't know if he would do as well as MC considering i can't predict events 8 months in the future if all those circumstances occurred. Thorzain is fantastic though and i wish he would go to Korea to compete because he deserves a chance in the GSL. I would argue that the better player is not relative to one certain match up though on one day.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
April 23 2011 21:44 GMT
#6254
On April 24 2011 06:41 antilyon wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:39 Hot_Bid wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:36 PHC wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Its really interesting to read threads like this. Koreans are plain and simply losing often to Europeans, yet no one is willing to admit it. Maybe a year from now once its normal, people will accept European equality?

Question is: can they repeat their results on LAN? So far, nope. Way to come out of your shell when a Korean loses to bait a Europe vs Korea war that is unnecessary.

Both Thorzain and MC played from Europe this round.

Thank god you said this.


The fans wont be satisfied until they are playing split screen on the same computer from the same keyboard and mouse (sharing). Only then can skill be truly determined.
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
April 23 2011 21:45 GMT
#6255
Who won the op is not updated and still say 2-2?
bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:48:29
April 23 2011 21:45 GMT
#6256
+ Show Spoiler [Copenhagen Games Spoiler] +
MC 3-0d Kas.


User was warned for this post
Tasteless: "What was it Hans Solo was frozen in? Kryptonite?" Artosis: "Lol, no. Thats the stuff that hurts Batman."
RaE21
Profile Joined September 2010
United States260 Posts
April 23 2011 21:45 GMT
#6257
dunno why all the hate is going to Thorzain...regardless of who is "better player" or not, the kid played brilliantly in the match sets and in the end status has nothing to do with it. Kid deserves respect, he earned it
narcissus
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark53 Posts
April 23 2011 21:45 GMT
#6258
TSL stream already done? O_o
IPS.Mardow.
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:47:28
April 23 2011 21:46 GMT
#6259
On April 24 2011 06:45 bRuTaL!! wrote:
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MC 3-0d Kas
.


It's bo7
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 23 2011 21:46 GMT
#6260
On April 24 2011 06:43 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:41 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:34 jalstar wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 dark fury wrote:
naniwa or thorzain is gonna win this thing. sorry kas but thorz is simply on another level


Kas will rape Thorzain, Thorzain has great TvP while Kas has great everything.


This! I honestly think i would be happier to see MC lose to Kas than to Thorzain. Kas is a complete player, while Thorzain is just good on TvP with his upgrade timmings and non common army composition.

Protoss still didnt figure a way to deal efficiently with heavy thor build, yeah there are several possible ways to deal with it, but everyone seems to have a possible way and everytime there is a game with heavy thor composition usually you see something different from the protoss usually failing. It's strange why terrans dont use that more often.


So go and watch the copenhagen tournament and you have your Kas vs MC serie.

+ Show Spoiler +
MC is up 2-0


+ Show Spoiler +
Make that 3-0.
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