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PHC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States472 Posts
April 23 2011 21:36 GMT
#6201
On April 24 2011 06:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Its really interesting to read threads like this. Koreans are plain and simply losing often to Europeans, yet no one is willing to admit it. Maybe a year from now once its normal, people will accept European equality?



Question is: can they repeat their results on LAN? So far, nope. Way to come out of your shell when a Korean loses to bait a Europe vs Korea war that is unnecessary.
arterian
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1157 Posts
April 23 2011 21:36 GMT
#6202
On April 24 2011 06:34 Hunterai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:25 Skipton wrote:
Great series, still would consider MC the better player overall though. Win % in mirror match ups are very different, and MC does have 2 GSL titles.


Who is the better overall player?....

MC was the the player with more past success.
And I think that ThorZaIN was the better prepared player.

But I believe that if we ask this question a few months from now, i think it's more likely that we will say ThorZaIN was the better player overall. :-D


I disagree

User was warned for this post
http://www.twitch.tv/arterian
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
April 23 2011 21:37 GMT
#6203
On April 24 2011 06:35 ehalf wrote:
going to review all of 5 mc games, how could he lose in a bo5? impossible

He simply got outplayed with a fourth close game. That's it, it's not that hard to understand.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
April 23 2011 21:37 GMT
#6204
Im still in shock... my world just got rocked by those strike cannons, unbelieveable.
Asvhald
Profile Joined April 2011
Spain199 Posts
April 23 2011 21:37 GMT
#6205
On April 24 2011 06:28 tdt wrote:
That thor strategy needs to be addressed. There is no stopping it as shown in strat section.

HT used to be answer now there is no answer.


If it favours T, it won't, players will have to adapt. If it favors P, we'll have that amulet removed... wait.
SuperStyle
Profile Joined March 2011
United States976 Posts
April 23 2011 21:37 GMT
#6206
On April 24 2011 06:34 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:31 dark fury wrote:
naniwa or thorzain is gonna win this thing. sorry kas but thorz is simply on another level


Kas will rape Thorzain, Thorzain has great TvP while Kas has great everything.


Kas against MC now in finals on Khaldors stream and Kas isnt looking nowhere near as good as Thorzain did in TLS.
Although i do believe that Kas TvT is better than Thorzains.
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
April 23 2011 21:37 GMT
#6207
Kas, Thorzain, HasuObs, Cruncher and Naniwa GO GO GO!
warcrafters figthing!!! :D
Its grack
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
April 23 2011 21:37 GMT
#6208
On April 24 2011 06:35 OneOther wrote:
I hate how people like jalstar are derailing this thread away from what Thorzain has done and how entertaining the series was. Shut up dude. Nobody cares whether you think MC is a better player, or how badly Thorzain is going to lose to Kas. Jesus.


Stop overhyping players who have done nearly nothing that completely underhyped players (MKP, Polt) have done as well. The pro-foreigner bias is crazy.

User was temp banned for this post.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 23 2011 21:37 GMT
#6209
On April 24 2011 06:36 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?


How can someone be "clearly the better player" if they make several strategic blunders?

OTHER THAN THEM. God, how many times do I need to rewrite that? His micro/macro etc were better. His builds, upgrade timing etc were not at all.


I fail to see how his macro was better.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
April 23 2011 21:38 GMT
#6210
Even if Thorzain (or MC) won 3-0, just one series isn't enough to prove who is the better player.

Anyway, Naniwa v Thorzain finals incoming!

If you never try you never know. Sase - Mana - TLO - WhiteRa - Naniwa - Sheth - HuK
kalleralle
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden183 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:39:52
April 23 2011 21:38 GMT
#6211
On April 24 2011 06:35 10or10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?

This is no insult to Thorzain. His builds are excellent. His execution is not notable however.

In what ways did the execution falter?


Uhm, the way he completely just threw away game 4? He had it won before he went into Mcs main and sacrificed like 6-8 medivacs and his entire army for 2 pylons and a dark shrine. Pretty humongous blunder imo.
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
April 23 2011 21:38 GMT
#6212
Oh gimme a break, Thorzain won

To victor the spoils!
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
April 23 2011 21:38 GMT
#6213
On April 24 2011 06:35 ehalf wrote:
going to review all of 5 mc games, how could he lose in a bo5? impossible

I'm surprised he didn't all-in at all the whole series and still managed to win 2 games.
[SuNdae]
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Finland323 Posts
April 23 2011 21:38 GMT
#6214
On April 24 2011 06:37 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:35 OneOther wrote:
I hate how people like jalstar are derailing this thread away from what Thorzain has done and how entertaining the series was. Shut up dude. Nobody cares whether you think MC is a better player, or how badly Thorzain is going to lose to Kas. Jesus.


Stop overhyping players who have done nearly nothing that completely underhyped players (MKP, Polt) have done as well. The pro-foreigner bias is crazy.


MKP underhyped? Dude.. >.> just leave.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
April 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#6215
On April 24 2011 06:37 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:36 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?


How can someone be "clearly the better player" if they make several strategic blunders?

OTHER THAN THEM. God, how many times do I need to rewrite that? His micro/macro etc were better. His builds, upgrade timing etc were not at all.


I fail to see how his macro was better.

Expanded earlier, equal on supply while teching HT, won the only real macro game.
mikejer
Profile Joined April 2010
United States34 Posts
April 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#6216
You'd think Voidrays would be the counter to that Thor strategy, but Thorzain had a whole bunch of Vikings out too. I have no idea how to stop that build. Thor/Strike Cannon/repair + blue flame Hellions + Vikings shut down all the Protoss counter compositions that I can think of. If the Terran throws in a Raven, it's even worse with detection and PDD.

Now I'm obviously not a top player, but I've seen a lot of pros lose to this build too. It's extremely strong. I'm not sure why Terrans don't use it more.
Remember, always be yourself. Unless you suck.
mathemagician1986
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany549 Posts
April 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#6217
On April 24 2011 06:37 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:35 OneOther wrote:
I hate how people like jalstar are derailing this thread away from what Thorzain has done and how entertaining the series was. Shut up dude. Nobody cares whether you think MC is a better player, or how badly Thorzain is going to lose to Kas. Jesus.


Stop overhyping players who have done nearly nothing that completely underhyped players (MKP, Polt) have done as well. The pro-foreigner bias is crazy.


I don't know why you are so butt hurt. It was an awesome series.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
April 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#6218
On April 24 2011 06:35 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:33 OneOther wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:30 jalstar wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 nihlon wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:27 jalstar wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:25 Skipton wrote:
Great series, still would consider MC the better player overall though. Win % in mirror match ups are very different, and MC does have 2 GSL titles.


Exactly, MKP 3-2ed MC too, with none of the ridiculous fanfare.


What ridiculous fanfare?


Are you not reading the thread?

Also, Polt beat MC TvP too. This is just the latest in his "lose to random terrans" tour.

Can we just appreciate what Thorzain has done? Idk how many of you guys followed BW, but things like this just did not happen. Foreigners beating a top Korean? Otherworldly for us old BW fans.


Exactly this. It sickens me the whining and excuses we have sometimes. People even tried to blame lag until they realised he was playing in Europe.

Mad props to Thorzain. Europe's best kept secret until now <3


lol...foreigners beat top Koreans quite a lot during the beginning of BW, as anyone who is aware of even a modicum of BW history knows.
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
April 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#6219
On April 24 2011 06:37 bokeevboke wrote:
Kas, Thorzain, HasuObs, Cruncher and Naniwa GO GO GO!
warcrafters figthing!!! :D

wow
i actually only now realize it
No carpal tunnel no skill
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4728 Posts
April 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#6220
That was wonderfull series, Thorzain is suprising yet again.
Pathetic Greta hater.
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