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jormando
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland24 Posts
April 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#6221
Too bad i didnt catch all the games today, but im so happy i saw 4th game MC played. Its (almost) the same build ive been trying to refine past week and now i got reference how to actually do the BO. Almost abadoned it cus i thought it only works when opponent is even worse than me. Luckily MC showed it can work even on serial level.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
April 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#6222
On April 24 2011 06:36 PHC wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Its really interesting to read threads like this. Koreans are plain and simply losing often to Europeans, yet no one is willing to admit it. Maybe a year from now once its normal, people will accept European equality?

Question is: can they repeat their results on LAN? So far, nope. Way to come out of your shell when a Korean loses to bait a Europe vs Korea war that is unnecessary.

Both Thorzain and MC played from Europe this round.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
April 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#6223
On April 24 2011 06:39 mathemagician1986 wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:37 jalstar wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:35 OneOther wrote:
I hate how people like jalstar are derailing this thread away from what Thorzain has done and how entertaining the series was. Shut up dude. Nobody cares whether you think MC is a better player, or how badly Thorzain is going to lose to Kas. Jesus.


Stop overhyping players who have done nearly nothing that completely underhyped players (MKP, Polt) have done as well. The pro-foreigner bias is crazy.


I don't know why you are so butt hurt. It was an awesome series.


??

Did I say it wasn't?
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:40:56
April 23 2011 21:40 GMT
#6224
I think mass Voidrays counter this Thor strategy in the last game .
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 23 2011 21:40 GMT
#6225
On April 24 2011 06:36 samaNo4 wrote:
Thorzain can beat Naniwa, Kas cannot. Kas is going to own Thorzain in TvT therefore Naniwa is going to take it all.

Pretty sad that Thorzain and Kas cannot meet in the finals but Naniwa is pretty entertaining to watch too.

Kas can beat Naniwa, but we'll see.
Anything can happen in PvP too, and he might have to play two to get to the finals
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:44:19
April 23 2011 21:40 GMT
#6226
On April 24 2011 06:33 LowChucky wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:31 dark fury wrote:
naniwa or thorzain is gonna win this thing. sorry kas but thorz is simply on another level


Throzains stats show a slightly weaker TvT, where as Kas is a total beast at it


heeeeem thorzain beated cloud in his way to qualify for the TSL3 and i think we didn't see a lot of thorzain TvT in a while... on the other hand Kas is just so good at TvT. If thorzain can come with some good gameplan/BO i think he can win.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
April 23 2011 21:40 GMT
#6227
I think those strike cannons stunned me a little bit..
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:41:18
April 23 2011 21:40 GMT
#6228
On April 24 2011 06:37 jalstar wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:35 OneOther wrote:
I hate how people like jalstar are derailing this thread away from what Thorzain has done and how entertaining the series was. Shut up dude. Nobody cares whether you think MC is a better player, or how badly Thorzain is going to lose to Kas. Jesus.


Stop overhyping players who have done nearly nothing that completely underhyped players (MKP, Polt) have done as well. The pro-foreigner bias is crazy.

Are you fucking serious? Why can't you appreciate the fact that a relatively unknown foreign player takes out two former GSL champions in FruitDealer and MC through extremely entertaining games? What is wrong with hyping this? Back in the days we couldn't even fathom with the idea of even the best foreigner beating a top Korean. Thorzain is doing something truly special, and I really don't get what your problem is. It deserves the hype. He has earned it.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 23 2011 21:40 GMT
#6229
Boxer is my last hope

Please.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
April 23 2011 21:40 GMT
#6230
I am still completely shocked...
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
April 23 2011 21:40 GMT
#6231
On April 24 2011 06:33 Skipton wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!


Yes he lost in a series 3-2, but can you honestly say Thorzain can take 2 GSL titles? his TvT is something around 65%. MC has the best PvP in the world. 1 series is not a determinant of who's "better"


My head hurts. Who is the better player means who is better among two people. Give Thorzain 8months in oGs house, 5 qualifier chances of GSL and you think he wouldn't as well as MC?
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:42:20
April 23 2011 21:40 GMT
#6232
On April 24 2011 06:36 Yaotzin wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?


How can someone be "clearly the better player" if they make several strategic blunders?

OTHER THAN THEM. God, how many times do I need to rewrite that? His micro/macro etc were better. His builds, upgrade timing etc were not at all.


Sorry, I did miss that part. In that case it's kind of a poor way to put it, why not say that Thorzain had much better builds and upgrades while MC had better micro/macro? That seems less likely to draw fire from the internet and doesn't take away from Thorzain's ability as a player.

Edit: I'd also say that having better timing than MC is pretty damn impressive.
qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
April 23 2011 21:40 GMT
#6233
On April 24 2011 06:38 Vapaach wrote:
Even if Thorzain (or MC) won 3-0, just one series isn't enough to prove who is the better player.

Anyway, Naniwa v Thorzain finals incoming!



dont think so kas will destroy thorzain : 9
DeMusliM !!!
Miah121
Profile Joined April 2011
229 Posts
April 23 2011 21:40 GMT
#6234
On the bright side for MC, he's + Show Spoiler +
playing very well in the finals against Kas at the Copenhagen games, currently 2-0 in a BO7, dominating both games
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
April 23 2011 21:41 GMT
#6235
On April 24 2011 06:39 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:36 PHC wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Its really interesting to read threads like this. Koreans are plain and simply losing often to Europeans, yet no one is willing to admit it. Maybe a year from now once its normal, people will accept European equality?

Question is: can they repeat their results on LAN? So far, nope. Way to come out of your shell when a Korean loses to bait a Europe vs Korea war that is unnecessary.

Both Thorzain and MC played from Europe this round.

Thank god you said this.
mycro
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1579 Posts
April 23 2011 21:41 GMT
#6236
2/2 Liquibet, ty.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
April 23 2011 21:41 GMT
#6237
On April 24 2011 06:35 Monzterg wrote:
Whats up with Ukraine?

I say whats up with Sweden!?

Dare I say ThorZaIN? jinro, sjow, naniwa, haypro, morrow??

It has to be the blue and yellow colors of our flags. They contain mystical powers.
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
April 23 2011 21:41 GMT
#6238
On April 24 2011 06:38 Vapaach wrote:
Even if Thorzain (or MC) won 3-0, just one series isn't enough to prove who is the better player.

Anyway, Naniwa v Thorzain finals incoming!

i really enjoying Thozain's TvP but TvT ... it's just 3-0 for kas, sorry
No carpal tunnel no skill
mpupu
Profile Joined June 2010
Argentina183 Posts
April 23 2011 21:41 GMT
#6239
+ Show Spoiler +
MC crushing Kas at Copenhagen right now
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
April 23 2011 21:41 GMT
#6240
On April 24 2011 06:34 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:31 dark fury wrote:
naniwa or thorzain is gonna win this thing. sorry kas but thorz is simply on another level


Kas will rape Thorzain, Thorzain has great TvP while Kas has great everything.


This! I honestly think i would be happier to see MC lose to Kas than to Thorzain. Kas is a complete player, while Thorzain is just good on TvP with his upgrade timmings and non common army composition.

Protoss still didnt figure a way to deal efficiently with heavy thor build, yeah there are several possible ways to deal with it, but everyone seems to have a possible way and everytime there is a game with heavy thor composition usually you see something different from the protoss usually failing. It's strange why terrans dont use that more often.
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