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Chise
Profile Joined December 2010
Japan507 Posts
April 22 2011 12:05 GMT
#1161
On April 22 2011 21:02 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 20:57 Chise wrote:
On April 22 2011 20:56 Bobster wrote:
Damnit, Ace choked again?

There goes my liquibet.


He didn't really choke. He was outplayed.

He kinda did. Didn't have a good response to the early pressure.


Well yes, he didn't respond very well, that's true. But to me it just looked like violet studied Ace's play style very well so he knew exactly how to counter it.
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
April 22 2011 12:15 GMT
#1162
I predict Ace wins NASL, but never qualifies for GSL again. lol
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 12:29:54
April 22 2011 12:29 GMT
#1163
Who's the lady in the banner?

Also, turn off GSL Code A from "ON AIR", it's over now.
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
April 22 2011 12:31 GMT
#1164
On April 22 2011 21:29 quirinus wrote:
Who's the lady in the banner?

Also, turn off GSL Code A from "ON AIR", it's over now.

Korean caster. I can't turn it off. Have to ask the TL admins to do that I think.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 13:10:24
April 22 2011 13:01 GMT
#1165
On April 22 2011 20:37 pdd wrote:
Some observations after todays games.

- viOlet really impressed me. Ace didn't play very well, but I think viOlet's playstyle really forced him into such a situation where he was forced to make a lot of mistakes. But still, I think viOlet showed some impressive stuff in that game. Loved how he managed to win even though he failed a 6 pool.
- Ace, continues to disappoint in GSL games.
- YuGiOh beating August was pretty much expected by me.
- Min was disappointing in his win. He had a terrible Game 1, and while he played really well in Game 2 and 3, he had incredibly sloppy moments in both games.
- 3/3 Zergs through today might give some joy to those Zerg naysayers
- I'm really curious as to why MKP and MVP both went for early mass unupgraded marines vs Protoss. The 2nd Lure v MVP game makes me question the logic of it, because even though MVP killed so many sentries and stalkers, his natural came so late and he was behind in supply when they entered the mid-game.
- MVP just shows just how good a player he is. Incredible multitasking in Game 1 and again in Game 2 (this time even showing that he can overcome a better build just by pure multitasking and mechanics alone)
- In relation to the above point, Lure was actually not that bad. He just took a risky double expand in Game 1 and lost to a better player in Game 2.

About Min : in the GSTL I remember Cella saying they only fielded him once because he was too nervous. I'm pretty sure it was the case today too (as his reaction after the win suggest, that was very emotional)
About the MVP marine build : it's a natural evolution of the matchup. In the recent period of protoss domination vs terran, most terrans were doing one rax expo, adding one or 2 rax, a fast factory and a fast starport while adding one reactor and 2 techlabs on the raxes (most usual case). This created a situation where the protoss had some very good possible aggressive timings (even with only 3 gate robo, and more with 6 gate sentry push). Long story short, now most terrans are adding 3 naked raxes after the 1 rax expo, allowing them to produce a LOT of rines so they can be safe in early game, and this changed the matchup quite a bit, now Ts have a strongest (or at least equal) early game. Not that no stim no shield marine are great against protoss, but just because the pure amount of "stuff".
In that game, MVP was a bit greedy by pushing to Lure's base (and missing his bunker timing completely, lost him like 5 scvs), but with unupgraded marines vs stalkers you don't have a choice if you go too far out of your base. (if you retreat the stalkers will kill them one by one, same if you hold position, so you just have to go) Comparing the supply is tricky, because MVP only has 1 food marines at that point.
TLDR : this build allows a very safe 1 rax expand. MVP delayed his stim a little too long imo still.
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
April 22 2011 13:09 GMT
#1166
A very good day for zerg player and even if i'm terran i enjoyed the match of today.
Not the best one but a good level in general.
Klamity
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States994 Posts
April 22 2011 13:53 GMT
#1167
zerg fightinggggggggg!

also, gogogo mvp.
Don't believe in yourself, believe in me, who believes in you.
Rinnegan5
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands319 Posts
April 22 2011 14:02 GMT
#1168
Nice to see alot of zerg advancing. I still love the GSL so much. Code A and S :D
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
April 22 2011 14:03 GMT
#1169
Glad TheBest and August (such a long surviving but marginal player in the GSL) are gone. Ace once again, I have no idea what's going on . At least some zergs made it through to the Round of 16 though.
the farm ends here
Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
April 22 2011 15:06 GMT
#1170
Great preview and LR thread keep it up pdd
"Don't believe in you who believes in me, don't believe in me who believes in you, believe in you...who believes in yourself!"
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 15:30:57
April 22 2011 15:30 GMT
#1171
Poor Ganzi is the only person in SlayerS who didn't make it past their first round matches. 7 out of 8 SlayerS making it past their first round matches is pretty damn impressive. they're kicking some ass this GSL.

edit: Oh, Brown still has yet to play.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
April 22 2011 15:36 GMT
#1172
On April 22 2011 20:17 AxionSteel wrote:
mvp you hacker :D no expansion secret is safe from him!


It's easy to realize that your opponent has an expansion when no matter how hard you hurt his army when he has a LOT more stuff than what he *should* be able to afford.

But in truth--starsense baby! (folks like Flash or Jaedong coming to SC2 is scary not because of APM or micro or macro or multitask--if you think MVP has good starsense then you haven't watched enough Flash games)
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
April 22 2011 15:44 GMT
#1173
On April 22 2011 20:37 pdd wrote:
Some observations after todays games.

- viOlet really impressed me. Ace didn't play very well, but I think viOlet's playstyle really forced him into such a situation where he was forced to make a lot of mistakes. But still, I think viOlet showed some impressive stuff in that game. Loved how he managed to win even though he failed a 6 pool.
- Ace, continues to disappoint in GSL games.
- YuGiOh beating August was pretty much expected by me.
- Min was disappointing in his win. He had a terrible Game 1, and while he played really well in Game 2 and 3, he had incredibly sloppy moments in both games.
- 3/3 Zergs through today might give some joy to those Zerg naysayers
- I'm really curious as to why MKP and MVP both went for early mass unupgraded marines vs Protoss. The 2nd Lure v MVP game makes me question the logic of it, because even though MVP killed so many sentries and stalkers, his natural came so late and he was behind in supply when they entered the mid-game.
- MVP just shows just how good a player he is. Incredible multitasking in Game 1 and again in Game 2 (this time even showing that he can overcome a better build just by pure multitasking and mechanics alone)
- In relation to the above point, Lure was actually not that bad. He just took a risky double expand in Game 1 and lost to a better player in Game 2.


It was probably to counter possible proxy pylons. This is similar to how MKP beat MC in the world championship. We can see how the terran strategy is evolving. I thought MVP made all the good choices in the early encounters, and his use of dropships to buy time was a very good choice considering the air was uncontested.
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 16:34:46
April 22 2011 16:32 GMT
#1174
On April 23 2011 00:36 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 20:17 AxionSteel wrote:
mvp you hacker :D no expansion secret is safe from him!


It's easy to realize that your opponent has an expansion when no matter how hard you hurt his army when he has a LOT more stuff than what he *should* be able to afford.

But in truth--starsense baby! (folks like Flash or Jaedong coming to SC2 is scary not because of APM or micro or macro or multitask--if you think MVP has good starsense then you haven't watched enough Flash games)


If you watch the games MVP basically scouted nexuses that were just being made or just finished building, it wasn't one of those "oh, where are you getting all these units from". I'm guessing MVP probably knew that the only way this guy would win he would have to try something sneaky against him, so he took proper the precautions.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
April 22 2011 17:03 GMT
#1175
On April 23 2011 01:32 zerious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 00:36 lorkac wrote:
On April 22 2011 20:17 AxionSteel wrote:
mvp you hacker :D no expansion secret is safe from him!


It's easy to realize that your opponent has an expansion when no matter how hard you hurt his army when he has a LOT more stuff than what he *should* be able to afford.

But in truth--starsense baby! (folks like Flash or Jaedong coming to SC2 is scary not because of APM or micro or macro or multitask--if you think MVP has good starsense then you haven't watched enough Flash games)


If you watch the games MVP basically scouted nexuses that were just being made or just finished building, it wasn't one of those "oh, where are you getting all these units from". I'm guessing MVP probably knew that the only way this guy would win he would have to try something sneaky against him, so he took proper the precautions.


Well Mvp has always had this sort of starsense thing. The game in gsl jan finals against mkp on meta where he scouted the hidden expo comes to mind.
The Notorious Winkles
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
April 22 2011 18:38 GMT
#1176
"Goodbye theBest, you are going to code B, el o el" - artosis
StarcraftKevin
Profile Joined August 2009
United States285 Posts
April 22 2011 19:42 GMT
#1177
glad all the slayers players are doing very well.
LiquidHerO || SlyaerSMMA || SlayerSTaeja || NsHsJJakji || NsHsSeal || NsHsSage || MVPDongraegu
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
April 22 2011 20:05 GMT
#1178
On April 23 2011 02:03 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 01:32 zerious wrote:
On April 23 2011 00:36 lorkac wrote:
On April 22 2011 20:17 AxionSteel wrote:
mvp you hacker :D no expansion secret is safe from him!


It's easy to realize that your opponent has an expansion when no matter how hard you hurt his army when he has a LOT more stuff than what he *should* be able to afford.

But in truth--starsense baby! (folks like Flash or Jaedong coming to SC2 is scary not because of APM or micro or macro or multitask--if you think MVP has good starsense then you haven't watched enough Flash games)


If you watch the games MVP basically scouted nexuses that were just being made or just finished building, it wasn't one of those "oh, where are you getting all these units from". I'm guessing MVP probably knew that the only way this guy would win he would have to try something sneaky against him, so he took proper the precautions.


Well Mvp has always had this sort of starsense thing. The game in gsl jan finals against mkp on meta where he scouted the hidden expo comes to mind.

wouldn't really call it starsense by now, he just has really good scouting habits and does it every game

just checking around the map doesn't cost you anything, but if he laid down like a random scan on a hidden darkshrine I'd call that starsense
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
April 22 2011 20:13 GMT
#1179
Haha I am watching the vods and it sounded like doa said "he brought a big can of rape" and for a minute I was like oO. (He said big can of raid).
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