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Yesterday's broadcast has had its issues. We all saw it. There are 10+ pages of whining. There is an entirely new cast going on now. Please keep whining about issues experienced yesterday to yourself going forward in the thread and allow other people to enjoy the games.
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
April 18 2011 02:58 GMT
#1901
On April 18 2011 11:56 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 11:54 Ever-Long wrote:
On April 18 2011 11:53 OrangeSoda wrote:
On April 18 2011 11:50 Defacer wrote:

On April 18 2011 11:36 iNcontroL wrote:
Let me just say this:

1. I am WAY against the humor displayed in that show during the intermission. I will speak on behalf of it being removed from future broadcasts.




THANK THE FUCK GOD. It's wasn't just their humour, which was immature, rude and slightly misogynist. It was their obnoxious yuk-yuk laugh.

I thought they were doing some kind of post-modern satire of obnoxious, racist white kids, but then I realized they WERE obnoxious racist white kids.

You and Gretorp are getting better at casting, by the way. You guys seem to be getting into your comfort zone.



to be fair one of them is actually black


Self projecting stereotype, that's just sad...



I know. If one guy was black that almost makes it more annoying.




not what i meant i was just saying one guy is black
cooked
Profile Joined December 2010
China1238 Posts
April 18 2011 02:58 GMT
#1902
double incontrol all the way. so intense
SnuggleZhenya
Profile Joined July 2010
596 Posts
April 18 2011 02:58 GMT
#1903

On April 18 2011 11:42 Heaton31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 11:36 iNcontroL wrote:
Let me just say this:

1. I am WAY against the humor displayed in that show during the intermission. I will speak on behalf of it being removed from future broadcasts.

2. This was a mistake. It's really really bad. I know the NASL is upset about it and will fix it. There is no way to go back in time.. but please know we are sorry.

3. Maps were updated. There is no legitimate argument for using the outdated maps. That too was a mistake overlooked by not consulting the pro players of the squad (me and gretorp). It has been rectified.


Some inside info:

The NASL isn't a bustling studio of 30 people. It's 5 production people and 2 commentators. We are hiring out professional help for the sound (after the problems) we consult pro's on the stage etc... but we are not some huge broadcasting company. When people say "mistakes like this shouldn't happen.. you need to watch for mistakes!" They do. They do the best they can. A lot of these guys are running off of 4 or less hours a night. Encoding, editing, doing graphics etc.. all each day after this schedule. Do they want your sympathy? No. No they do not. Do they expect better results than what we have produced? MORE THAN YOU KNOW. Nobody is more pissed than Russ and co after each mistake.

This is the first week. None of them came from a broadcasting / league background. All of them are chasing a dream and trying to do it to the best of their abilities. When we make mistakes please tell us with all of this in mind. If you STILL feel the need to say "FIRE X" or "THIS IS FUCKING TERRIBLE" then I guess go ahead and do that.

I get to wake up in the same house as these people and watch them go at it for another 16 hours each day.

It is absolutely unacceptable to make these mistakes and they will not be made continuously. As they happen they get fixed asap. In the end it makes us better. We were never planning on 1 season so we have time to fix these things. Ideally, would they never have happened? OF COURSE. Is it possible to have caught these faster? CERTAINLY. But we didn't and we are sorry. Please understand the sheer effort and work that is going into this. This league is growing and it has growing pains. It also has amateur mistakes and huge errors. All of which will be sorted out as they come up.




I'm sure most everyone appreciates the honesty, accountability and full disclosure, but for paying customers, I don't think reading about how the production team has little experience in broadcasting tournaments is a good thing.

I think most people are learning some hard lessons from MLG and NASL. Don't pay for a product until you know what the product is.



Actually, as a paying customer I do appreciate what incontrol said. The reality is that we are on week 1 still and we have plenty of time and games left to get that money's worth EVEN IF you thought this week wasn't worth a dime. Frankly, as someone who bought the HD pass, I've had an enjoyable week of SC2 in prime time. It hasn't been perfect, and it will get better, but if anyone is REALLY as upset as they are coming across on these forums, I just feel like they need to take a step back and get some perspective here.
You'll never get better being an angry nerd sitting alone in your room.
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
April 18 2011 02:58 GMT
#1904
sen always been one of the best zvzer out there
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
April 18 2011 02:58 GMT
#1905
On April 18 2011 11:56 Zim23 wrote:
Overall volume still pretty low for me, gotta blast volume on all ends just to hear it comfortably.


Same here. I've maxed everything on my computer and I can still barely hear it.
NesTea | LosirA | MVP | CoCa | Nada | Ryung | DRG | YongHwa
DCWasabi
Profile Joined December 2010
United States368 Posts
April 18 2011 02:58 GMT
#1906
Wow, it's like 2x the control. Awesome screen-saver!
"Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana." -Groucho Marx
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 03:00:26
April 18 2011 02:58 GMT
#1907
I appreciate iNcontroL's post and I know he has a ton of heart an effort into this project... However..

How on earth do you try and build up the PREMIERE North American league with a team that has no experience? How would an investor even think this would be a good idea? I'm glad everyone is trying so hard but seriously? Don't bill the product to be a revolutionary change in eSports history if its a bunch of amateurs with big dreams.

I know that comes off as harsh but I feel we've been misled. Having said that I do hope the NASL is extremely successful and I've enjoyed the games, it's a great idea.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
AWakefield
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada420 Posts
April 18 2011 02:58 GMT
#1908
On April 18 2011 11:56 spidii wrote:
<3 You Incontrol, take a deep breath, don't let the hate get to you. The majority of us appreciate what you guys do and want you to succeed. Keep your head up!


Well said. :D Love you Incontrol and NASL

That ZvZ was incredible. Sen is such a champ. I got to see two series from him today and they were both amazing.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
April 18 2011 02:58 GMT
#1909
this dual inc clip is always so soothing. made me calm down everytime after an epic series.

Hopefullly calms all the angry people down as well
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
April 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1910
Is it me, or has Sen improved immensely since his GSL appearance? I mean, he's always been good, but he's really taking it to the Koreans lately.
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
April 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1911
did the stream just go off line?
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
April 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1912
stream off?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Heaton31
Profile Joined October 2010
United States323 Posts
April 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1913
On April 18 2011 11:59 Polygamy wrote:
did the stream just go off line?


Yes.
DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
April 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1914
They should have the two incontrols arm wrestle each other
creates ez hype
LUCK IS NO EXCUSE
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
April 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1915
Was the stream going offline a part of the intermission?
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 03:00:54
April 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1916
On April 18 2011 11:49 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 11:42 Heaton31 wrote:
On April 18 2011 11:36 iNcontroL wrote:
Let me just say this:

1. I am WAY against the humor displayed in that show during the intermission. I will speak on behalf of it being removed from future broadcasts.

2. This was a mistake. It's really really bad. I know the NASL is upset about it and will fix it. There is no way to go back in time.. but please know we are sorry.

3. Maps were updated. There is no legitimate argument for using the outdated maps. That too was a mistake overlooked by not consulting the pro players of the squad (me and gretorp). It has been rectified.


Some inside info:

The NASL isn't a bustling studio of 30 people. It's 5 production people and 2 commentators. We are hiring out professional help for the sound (after the problems) we consult pro's on the stage etc... but we are not some huge broadcasting company. When people say "mistakes like this shouldn't happen.. you need to watch for mistakes!" They do. They do the best they can. A lot of these guys are running off of 4 or less hours a night. Encoding, editing, doing graphics etc.. all each day after this schedule. Do they want your sympathy? No. No they do not. Do they expect better results than what we have produced? MORE THAN YOU KNOW. Nobody is more pissed than Russ and co after each mistake.

This is the first week. None of them came from a broadcasting / league background. All of them are chasing a dream and trying to do it to the best of their abilities. When we make mistakes please tell us with all of this in mind. If you STILL feel the need to say "FIRE X" or "THIS IS FUCKING TERRIBLE" then I guess go ahead and do that.

I get to wake up in the same house as these people and watch them go at it for another 16 hours each day.

It is absolutely unacceptable to make these mistakes and they will not be made continuously. As they happen they get fixed asap. In the end it makes us better. We were never planning on 1 season so we have time to fix these things. Ideally, would they never have happened? OF COURSE. Is it possible to have caught these faster? CERTAINLY. But we didn't and we are sorry. Please understand the sheer effort and work that is going into this. This league is growing and it has growing pains. It also has amateur mistakes and huge errors. All of which will be sorted out as they come up.




I'm sure most everyone appreciates the honesty, accountability and full disclosure, but for paying customers, I don't think reading about how the production team has little experience in broadcasting tournaments is a good thing.

I think most people are learning some hard lessons from MLG and NASL. Don't pay for a product until you know what the product is.


Please stop.

I really get annoyed with all this extremist language. It's not even the end of the first week yet and people are STILL getting top quality games. yes there are issues but they are being fixed as fast as they can (usually the next day).

I really get annoyed when people assume 25$ is wasted because the first week wasn't perfect.


iNcontroL, you strike me as a smart guy and I am sure you understand that guy says the truth. We all know mistakes happen, issues arise and such but after all that hype, promises and 25$ fee for HD production/HD VODs to openly admit that people who work behind NASL have absolutely no experience is kinda... really slap in the face to current and possible future customers.

People didn't pay to witness production "crash course" for those 5 guys.

Saying that... I still believe NASL will be better and better with each day and week but to not have a single professional in team is really unacceptable.
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
April 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1917
jesus, why is everyone so sensitive about absolutely everything that they have done nothing to contribute too.

Chill guys
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Haggis
Profile Joined September 2010
Scotland104 Posts
April 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1918
<3 Sen's Zerg

Everyday is a school day.

Give them time.
ZionsWrath
Profile Joined December 2010
United States121 Posts
April 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1919
What was the racist comment, I missed it.

Someone explain please
Fries
Profile Joined August 2010
United States124 Posts
April 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#1920
On April 18 2011 11:56 Teivospy wrote:
Sen is fkin amazing, honestly that set was my fav ZvZ series so far

Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 11:54 esaul17 wrote:
...so NASL has an overworked and underqualified staff? Why didn't you hire people who actually worked here? Did it just cost too much?


shut up, i really hate this community because of people like you who can't let shit go. He gave a well worded apology very fast, GET OVER IT




Obviously they should have experienced workers from television working on this Starcraft 2 tournament!

In other news, those were a good couple of games!
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