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Strausticles
Profile Joined April 2011
United States113 Posts
April 15 2011 04:29 GMT
#2661
While I don't think casters should be bias towards many players involved in a tournament sometimes it seems to have the reverse effect. I was really on edge in the GSL Korea v World Team League Series and I think I really started getting into it because Artosis was just so supportive of his team and I really wanted to root for them because of it. This is a pretty specific example and the rest of the time I could care less for player bias but I haven't been bothered particularly by anything Gretorp or Inc has said.
"Don't forget one of the best counters in Starcraft, is to just go kill your opponent!" - Day[9]
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
April 15 2011 04:29 GMT
#2662
On April 15 2011 13:17 TheResidentEvil wrote:
Tastosis even come out and say who they want to win. Kind of dumb to get on inc for this


This. It doesn't get much more biased than Tastosis when some players are inside the booth. However, it does not make the cast worse for me.

Incontrol being somewhat biased is totally fine in my book. It's so slight that in fact I did not notice the bias until someone pointed it out.
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lazyfeet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States468 Posts
April 15 2011 04:30 GMT
#2663
On April 15 2011 13:20 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 13:18 Torte de Lini wrote:
The other guy is D. Apollo.

And can someone cite some examples of their bias and stop being general?


BitByBit, hated on. Clide, overpraised. Boxer, overpraised. Nada, overpraised. Rain, hated on. PoltPrime, hated on. Leenock, probably overpraised.

All of them have no relationship with tastess or artosis. BitByBit is that bad. Boxer and Nada are legendary in bw. All of those are Tastess and artosis's opinions. Unlike incontrol he got 4 teammates in nasl and im pretty sure 100% he isn't gonna say a bad thing about them. The way he praise alexav and rooting for him is clearly is showed in the casting is very irritating.
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billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 04:33:49
April 15 2011 04:30 GMT
#2664
On April 15 2011 13:27 TheResidentEvil wrote:
is that a joke? lol. yeah bitbybit gets praised when he rushes people by tastosis. do you even watch GSL lol

did you even read what i said? tastosis generally don't praise clide while hes losing straight up in a macro game (if they do, they are joking) and if bitbybit beat MVP in a 40 minute slugfest, i'm 100% positive tastosis would praise him
ch0c0b0fr34k
Profile Joined October 2010
United States452 Posts
April 15 2011 04:30 GMT
#2665
On April 15 2011 13:27 unSpeake wrote:
CANNOT BELIEVE dde lost that third game.... never seen a bigger choke in my entire life. 4 base vs 3 with one of nadas completely locked down.. and he fucking pulls back! aghghahgg. and knew the only way he could lose was mass drop.... and builds 1 turret to protect that side of base. AGHGHGH

I breathed a sigh of relief at the fact that Nada managed to win that game. If dde won, it would have felt as if the world I was living in popped and life itself flipped upside down...
Pew pew!
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
April 15 2011 04:30 GMT
#2666
On April 15 2011 13:26 billyX333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 13:20 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:18 Torte de Lini wrote:
The other guy is D. Apollo.

And can someone cite some examples of their bias and stop being general?


BitByBit, hated on. Clide, overpraised. Boxer, overpraised. Nada, overpraised. Rain, hated on. PoltPrime, hated on. Leenock, probably overpraised.

that praise is pre game analysis only. during game, if brilliant play is demonstrated by the winner, he is always praised


yeah and thats the difference right now.
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
April 15 2011 04:31 GMT
#2667
nice tryddddde
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mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
April 15 2011 04:32 GMT
#2668
On April 15 2011 13:05 Penecks wrote:
Finally they fixed the volume, or maybe Gretorp just stopped yelling, either way the sound has improved quite a bit, very glad.


They fixed it, ala a tweet.
We talkin about PRACTICE
jenzebubble
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States183 Posts
April 15 2011 04:34 GMT
#2669
You can't fault incontrol for wanting his teammate to win. That said, I don't think that it showed during the games. They if you haven't noticed, NASL is building up a brand. The casters, the players, the games; are all a part of that brand. Rarely will you hear a NASL caster say anything bad about a player or game. Decision made? Sure, but not something like Tastosis where they will say, "I have no idea how this guy is in Code S."

On a completely separate note. Did anyone notice Inc spoiled the results of the Squirtle/Axslav game during the DDE/Nada match?
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Nicodemusher
Profile Joined November 2010
United States188 Posts
April 15 2011 04:36 GMT
#2670
Holy hell @ Nada's comeback. So sexy.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
April 15 2011 04:37 GMT
#2671
Side note, I genuinely believe Clide is just a kind of inside joke because he has some marginal level of skill and a hilarious name.

I think it's maybe a likability factor we have here? Artosis had a huge amount of flak in early GSL seasons for his zerg bias, but he toned it down to a degree (and reversed it with being Protoss) but he became a much more likable kind of guy with some flaws as the seasons progressed.

Incontrol I guess is a guy who some people love to hate, but I find his personality hilarious (and I hope he breaks down into more of that Rumble in the Bronze kind of caster). I don't think the (to quote a word of Gretorp), "synergy" is there between the casters though and it's not really anyone's fault. I think Incontrol needs a different caster to play off of.

That being said, I definitely think people are biased themselves with how they are perceiving caster bias and really just finding things to complain about.
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Spicy Pepper
Profile Joined December 2009
United States632 Posts
April 15 2011 04:39 GMT
#2672
On April 15 2011 13:15 elmizzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 13:12 Spicy Pepper wrote:
The commentary booth was better overall. Personally, Gretorp and inControl are still a net negative, and I won't be purchasing a ticket yet, but will wait and see. I'll catch a few games here and there, but it's not must watch tv. Wish I caught some Diggity.

I don't want to rattle the inControl fanboys too much, especially with inControl being his #1 fan, lining up to defend anything he does. But I don't like the bias. Maybe it's something a better commentator can pull off and it won't bother me as much. I never felt like this listening to Dreamhack, where those 2 guys (DeMuslim and I apologize for not knowing the other guy) were flat out awesome. Also Tastosis is awesome and my personal favorite duo, and despite their flaws (which yes they have some) I probably won't complain about them.

I just think these two could do better, and I have no problem with being in the "haters gonna hate" camp for expressing that.

Apollo and demuslim as well as tastosis are more biased than incontrol is in their casts. I think it's YOUR bias that overemphasizes his bias in your perception.

I don't expect you to read all my posts, but I addressed the fact that other commentators are biased ALSO. I'm not clueless about this. You can be a good commentator and still be biased. You can be a great commentator and really likable, and your bias will become something the audience will enjoy (eg. BIT BY BIT or CLIIIIDE).

Maybe you're biased about my bias about their bias. Your move.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 04:45:20
April 15 2011 04:39 GMT
#2673
On April 15 2011 13:30 lazyfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 13:20 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:18 Torte de Lini wrote:
The other guy is D. Apollo.

And can someone cite some examples of their bias and stop being general?


BitByBit, hated on. Clide, overpraised. Boxer, overpraised. Nada, overpraised. Rain, hated on. PoltPrime, hated on. Leenock, probably overpraised.

All of them have no relationship with tastess or artosis. BitByBit is that bad. Boxer and Nada are legendary in bw. All of those are Tastess and artosis's opinions. Unlike incontrol he got 4 teammates in nasl and im pretty sure 100% he isn't gonna say a bad thing about them. The way he praise alexav and rooting for him is clearly is showed in the casting is very irritating.


BitByBit was hated the instant he did an all-in. He was hated on for winning, pure and simple. That aside, Artosis gets to have opinions and obviously root for specific players and turn a blind eye to their failures but iNc doesn't just because Artosis isn't on their team and iNc is? Huh? There's no real difference. Day9 always cheers on Dario when he comments him in live tournaments, for example, but no one ever hates on him.
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
April 15 2011 04:39 GMT
#2674
On April 15 2011 13:37 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Side note, I genuinely believe Clide is just a kind of inside joke because he has some marginal level of skill and a hilarious name.

I think it's maybe a likability factor we have here? Artosis had a huge amount of flak in early GSL seasons for his zerg bias, but he toned it down to a degree (and reversed it with being Protoss) but he became a much more likable kind of guy with some flaws as the seasons progressed.

Incontrol I guess is a guy who some people love to hate, but I find his personality hilarious (and I hope he breaks down into more of that Rumble in the Bronze kind of caster). I don't think the (to quote a word of Gretorp), "synergy" is there between the casters though and it's not really anyone's fault. I think Incontrol needs a different caster to play off of.

That being said, I definitely think people are biased themselves with how they are perceiving caster bias and really just finding things to complain about.


Incontrol just receives a ton of hate because he's made a lightning rod of himself by being so very active in the community by posting on TL and his role on State of the Game. The silent majority of us just appreciate all he does for the community, unfortunately he also has to deal with children screaming at him. Secretly, though, we all know Geoff loves to tell idiots to STFU and GTFO.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
April 15 2011 04:40 GMT
#2675
On April 15 2011 13:39 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 13:30 lazyfeet wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:20 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:18 Torte de Lini wrote:
The other guy is D. Apollo.

And can someone cite some examples of their bias and stop being general?


BitByBit, hated on. Clide, overpraised. Boxer, overpraised. Nada, overpraised. Rain, hated on. PoltPrime, hated on. Leenock, probably overpraised.

All of them have no relationship with tastess or artosis. BitByBit is that bad. Boxer and Nada are legendary in bw. All of those are Tastess and artosis's opinions. Unlike incontrol he got 4 teammates in nasl and im pretty sure 100% he isn't gonna say a bad thing about them. The way he praise alexav and rooting for him is clearly is showed in the casting is very irritating.


BitByBit beat Artosis in an early tourney by all-inning him iirc, so that's why I believe it's personal. That aside, Artosis gets to have opinions and obviously root for specific players and turn a blind eye to their failures but iNc doesn't just because Artosis isn't on their team and iNc is? Huh? There's no real difference. Day9 always cheers on Dario when he comments him in live tournaments, for example, but no one ever hates on him.

I agree with the points you're making, but just pointing out that BBB never faced off against Artosis (unless it was an open qualifier, but I'm pretty sure Artosis only mentions Byun's DTs for that).
the farm ends here
Jman5
Profile Joined September 2010
United States745 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 04:50:28
April 15 2011 04:41 GMT
#2676
On April 15 2011 12:58 Axslav wrote:
the build i did g1 can hold a 4gate totally fine on any small ramp map (it's a varient on the 3 stalker build but getting the gateway at 11 so you can get all 3 from one gate quick using chrono). I lost on metal b/c I didn't realize the map had close spawns enabled and was so confused when i didn't see him at the 2nd spot I scouted that I screwed up the build order really badly and got everything later than normal.


Would it be possible for NASL to give the players some better and more clear-cut warning about the map spawns? I have seen it happen quite a bit in tournaments where a player loses because he doesn't realize that the map either has or does not have altered spawn locations. When you have 3-4 versions of the same map and players are going from one tournament to another, I can completely understand why this happens.

Sure, you can argue that it is the player's responsibility to know the maps, but I think from the viewers perspective, it makes for a lousy match. No one wants to see a player get stomped because of something as simple as this.
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
April 15 2011 04:42 GMT
#2677
On April 15 2011 13:37 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Side note, I genuinely believe Clide is just a kind of inside joke because he has some marginal level of skill and a hilarious name.

its definitely a joke. artosis picked this guy to win GSL1 during the ro16 and then clide obviously lost and then artosis again hyped clide through the roof ro64 gsl2. He was telling a story about how impressed he was when watching clide's screen and picked him to dominate in his ro64 match (clide got manhandled and lost 0-2)
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 15 2011 04:44 GMT
#2678
On April 15 2011 13:40 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 13:39 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:30 lazyfeet wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:20 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:18 Torte de Lini wrote:
The other guy is D. Apollo.

And can someone cite some examples of their bias and stop being general?


BitByBit, hated on. Clide, overpraised. Boxer, overpraised. Nada, overpraised. Rain, hated on. PoltPrime, hated on. Leenock, probably overpraised.

All of them have no relationship with tastess or artosis. BitByBit is that bad. Boxer and Nada are legendary in bw. All of those are Tastess and artosis's opinions. Unlike incontrol he got 4 teammates in nasl and im pretty sure 100% he isn't gonna say a bad thing about them. The way he praise alexav and rooting for him is clearly is showed in the casting is very irritating.


BitByBit beat Artosis in an early tourney by all-inning him iirc, so that's why I believe it's personal. That aside, Artosis gets to have opinions and obviously root for specific players and turn a blind eye to their failures but iNc doesn't just because Artosis isn't on their team and iNc is? Huh? There's no real difference. Day9 always cheers on Dario when he comments him in live tournaments, for example, but no one ever hates on him.

I agree with the points you're making, but just pointing out that BBB never faced off against Artosis (unless it was an open qualifier, but I'm pretty sure Artosis only mentions Byun's DTs for that).


Ah. That's probably what I was confusing. Thanks, I'll edit my posts.
Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
April 15 2011 04:49 GMT
#2679
I want to see Sheth and Gretorp casting together again *.* GCPL was amazing with them...
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
April 15 2011 04:50 GMT
#2680
I didn't really notice any bias, and even if there was, so what?
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