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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21550 Posts
April 15 2011 05:33 GMT
#2701
On April 15 2011 14:21 Pajegetc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 13:58 Turgid wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:55 Bear4188 wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:53 Fighter wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:21 TheResidentEvil wrote:
Tastosis reamed san zenith saying how horrible he was in the up/down matches, they made fun of his build and then he won the next 2 to stay in code s. look at him now


That's not really fair, considering that when they were hatin' on the guy he WAS a pretty bad player. He's just gotten a lot better, and they've been the first to proclaim it.


Was it San who had that absolute failure of a forge FE on scrap station where he manner pyloned his Nexus?

That was him. He wasn't really that bad outside of that series though... just mediocre. Go watch him vs Inca on Delta Quadrant in GSL1. One of the best games of the whole tournament.


Wait, he did the nexus block on scrap station... woah... mind blown. How the hell you manner pylon yourself on scrap station...

I'm pretty sure it was on DQ. Blocked his nexus, had cannons all around the natural but only one guarding his ramp so roaches just crushed through.
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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
April 15 2011 05:37 GMT
#2702
On April 15 2011 14:18 SonuvBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 14:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:11 TheResidentEvil wrote:
So when is the naniwa match if he doesnt get the loss??


Seconded to get attention. Will Naniwa play his intended match with another opponent in the near future, or will there be some odd makeup games (since his opponent technically "won" while Naniwa didn't technically "lose") with Strelok?

Strelok got the win and 2 points, but Naniwa didn't lose any points for the loss (normally he'd be at -2 for a 2-0 loss).

Important to note he doesn't get fined either
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Kewlots
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia534 Posts
April 15 2011 05:46 GMT
#2703
On April 15 2011 13:27 unSpeake wrote:
CANNOT BELIEVE dde lost that third game.... never seen a bigger choke in my entire life. 4 base vs 3 with one of nadas completely locked down.. and he fucking pulls back! aghghahgg. and knew the only way he could lose was mass drop.... and builds 1 turret to protect that side of base. AGHGHGH



your a moron

User was temp banned for this post.
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BrodiaQ
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States892 Posts
April 15 2011 05:48 GMT
#2704
On April 15 2011 13:50 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 13:34 jenzebubble wrote:
You can't fault incontrol for wanting his teammate to win. That said, I don't think that it showed during the games. They if you haven't noticed, NASL is building up a brand. The casters, the players, the games; are all a part of that brand. Rarely will you hear a NASL caster say anything bad about a player or game. Decision made? Sure, but not something like Tastosis where they will say, "I have no idea how this guy is in Code S."


So then why is someone who can't be objective a caster? I basically turn off the sound/commentary whenever a Korean plays because of the anti-Korean bias that tool has. I get the impression it's less about him expressing what he wants and more about him trying to create a Bill O'Reilly/Simon Cowell "I can say whatever I want" image.

EDIT: Oh, and for those saying Tastosis are biased, yes they are biased against good/bad players. They aren't biased against nationality, which is what makes Incontrol's comments so petty. Also, his trash talk is like it's coming from a drunk frat guy rather than anything witty or meaningful.


Every time a foreigner plays the say they are rooting for them. Go back and watch the intros for the vods. Pretty much every time they admit as much.
"So come right up and let me squash your creativity with my iron fist of conservative play."--Nony
hmmm...
Profile Joined March 2011
632 Posts
April 15 2011 05:56 GMT
#2705
On April 15 2011 13:50 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 13:34 jenzebubble wrote:
You can't fault incontrol for wanting his teammate to win. That said, I don't think that it showed during the games. They if you haven't noticed, NASL is building up a brand. The casters, the players, the games; are all a part of that brand. Rarely will you hear a NASL caster say anything bad about a player or game. Decision made? Sure, but not something like Tastosis where they will say, "I have no idea how this guy is in Code S."


So then why is someone who can't be objective a caster? I basically turn off the sound/commentary whenever a Korean plays because of the anti-Korean bias that tool has. I get the impression it's less about him expressing what he wants and more about him trying to create a Bill O'Reilly/Simon Cowell "I can say whatever I want" image.

EDIT: Oh, and for those saying Tastosis are biased, yes they are biased against good/bad players. They aren't biased against nationality, which is what makes Incontrol's comments so petty. Also, his trash talk is like it's coming from a drunk frat guy rather than anything witty or meaningful.


actually Tastosis are biased against nationality, which is obvious given they're foreigners. but notably, it's Artosis who let's his inner bias show conspicuously in his commentary and hence affect the quality of his commentary.

oh well, what can i say: foreign commentators need to become more professional. can't have an esports industry with such lack of professionalism imo.
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
April 15 2011 05:59 GMT
#2706
On April 15 2011 14:56 hmmm... wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 13:50 Ocedic wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:34 jenzebubble wrote:
You can't fault incontrol for wanting his teammate to win. That said, I don't think that it showed during the games. They if you haven't noticed, NASL is building up a brand. The casters, the players, the games; are all a part of that brand. Rarely will you hear a NASL caster say anything bad about a player or game. Decision made? Sure, but not something like Tastosis where they will say, "I have no idea how this guy is in Code S."


So then why is someone who can't be objective a caster? I basically turn off the sound/commentary whenever a Korean plays because of the anti-Korean bias that tool has. I get the impression it's less about him expressing what he wants and more about him trying to create a Bill O'Reilly/Simon Cowell "I can say whatever I want" image.

EDIT: Oh, and for those saying Tastosis are biased, yes they are biased against good/bad players. They aren't biased against nationality, which is what makes Incontrol's comments so petty. Also, his trash talk is like it's coming from a drunk frat guy rather than anything witty or meaningful.


actually Tastosis are biased against nationality, which is obvious given they're foreigners. but notably, it's Artosis who let's his inner bias show conspicuously in his commentary and hence affect the quality of his commentary.

oh well, what can i say: foreign commentators need to become more professional. can't have an esports industry with such lack of professionalism imo.

For any international event that I see on TV (Olympics, World Cup), the sports commentators and programming always show some bias for the home country.
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 15 2011 06:00 GMT
#2707
you guys know korean commentators talk about the nationality of foreigners/chinese too right?

I feel like a lot of you ague/criticize just to do it. The nationality of a SC2 player is interesting.. sorry, I guess?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 15 2011 06:03 GMT
#2708
On April 15 2011 15:00 iNcontroL wrote:
you guys know korean commentators talk about the nationality of foreigners/chinese too right?

I feel like a lot of you ague/criticize just to do it. The nationality of a SC2 player is interesting.. sorry, I guess?

Now that you've brought up Korean commentators, I think we should expect more PLAGUUUUUUUUUs out of you. Perhaps a FUNGOOOOOOOO?
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Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 06:06:19
April 15 2011 06:04 GMT
#2709
I'm partial to AHHHHHHH BANELINGAS AHHHHHHHHHHH myself. Get to it incontrol.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
April 15 2011 06:04 GMT
#2710
On April 15 2011 15:03 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 15:00 iNcontroL wrote:
you guys know korean commentators talk about the nationality of foreigners/chinese too right?

I feel like a lot of you ague/criticize just to do it. The nationality of a SC2 player is interesting.. sorry, I guess?

Now that you've brought up Korean commentators, I think we should expect more PLAGUUUUUUUUUs out of you. Perhaps a FUNGOOOOOOOO?

Lol can you imagine the criticism if they started doing that? They got a bunch of angry posts for yelling GEE GEE which is pretty much the fundamental backbone of StarCraft casting!
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
April 15 2011 06:05 GMT
#2711
On April 15 2011 14:10 Bear4188 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 13:58 Turgid wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:55 Bear4188 wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:53 Fighter wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:21 TheResidentEvil wrote:
Tastosis reamed san zenith saying how horrible he was in the up/down matches, they made fun of his build and then he won the next 2 to stay in code s. look at him now


That's not really fair, considering that when they were hatin' on the guy he WAS a pretty bad player. He's just gotten a lot better, and they've been the first to proclaim it.


Was it San who had that absolute failure of a forge FE on scrap station where he manner pyloned his Nexus?

That was him. He wasn't really that bad outside of that series though... just mediocre. Go watch him vs Inca on Delta Quadrant in GSL1. One of the best games of the whole tournament.


Oh I've seen the series, it's just that my brain has difficulty associating the performances with one another. Which is part of what made the FE fail so good.

Which match was it? i cant find it
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
April 15 2011 06:06 GMT
#2712
On April 15 2011 15:05 thoradycus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 14:10 Bear4188 wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:58 Turgid wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:55 Bear4188 wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:53 Fighter wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:21 TheResidentEvil wrote:
Tastosis reamed san zenith saying how horrible he was in the up/down matches, they made fun of his build and then he won the next 2 to stay in code s. look at him now


That's not really fair, considering that when they were hatin' on the guy he WAS a pretty bad player. He's just gotten a lot better, and they've been the first to proclaim it.


Was it San who had that absolute failure of a forge FE on scrap station where he manner pyloned his Nexus?

That was him. He wasn't really that bad outside of that series though... just mediocre. Go watch him vs Inca on Delta Quadrant in GSL1. One of the best games of the whole tournament.


Oh I've seen the series, it's just that my brain has difficulty associating the performances with one another. Which is part of what made the FE fail so good.

Which match was it? i cant find it


GSL2 Ro32 vs Check was the failed FE.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 15 2011 06:07 GMT
#2713
On April 15 2011 15:04 Domination wrote:
I'm partial to AHHHHHHH BANELINGAS AHHHHHHHHHHH myself. Get to it incontrol.
RIPAH RIPAH RIPAH RIPAH RIPAH RIPAH RIPAH
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Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
April 15 2011 06:11 GMT
#2714
Are the NASL guys going to edit out the spoiler for the Europe encore? If not I think the warning should at least stay up in this thread for those guys.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
April 15 2011 06:12 GMT
#2715
On April 15 2011 15:00 iNcontroL wrote:
you guys know korean commentators talk about the nationality of foreigners/chinese too right?

I feel like a lot of you ague/criticize just to do it. The nationality of a SC2 player is interesting.. sorry, I guess?


Chinese belong under the "foreigner" section too ^^. Just saying.

Dear Sixsmith...
Wint
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia11 Posts
April 15 2011 06:14 GMT
#2716
Inc showed bias towards foreigners?

He's obviously a Grandmaster Supreme Wizard of the Klan who touches children....
Applecakes
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia319 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 06:18:00
April 15 2011 06:15 GMT
#2717
"too biased" What the hell? This isn't the evening news. This isn't a scientific journal. This is a video game. God.

Part of what makes it interesting is different people do, in fact, go for different teams and sides. Why the hell shouldn't the commentators be cheering for someone too? It doesn't alter the game in any way, it doesn't change the outcome.

The fact that Korea is, in general, dominate is an essential part of sc commentary. It makes for a grand underdog story.

I'm just trying to imagine someone watching sc2 and yelling at their monitor "so much bias!". Cracks me up. Or, in a similar situation, a local sports team winning the grand final and the local paper running a story celebrating their win only to be inundated with angry letters from local population decrying the biased coverage.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 15 2011 06:22 GMT
#2718
Every single sports broadcaster has some kind of bias. Welcome to real life, where people have natural tendencies to favor one thing over another :D
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jenzebubble
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States183 Posts
April 15 2011 06:34 GMT
#2719
On April 15 2011 15:22 Xeris wrote:
Every single sports broadcaster has some kind of bias. Welcome to real life, where people have natural tendencies to favor one thing over another :D


That isn't completely true. Broadcasters, like the ones you see on ESPN, are suppose to be unbiased. The guy getting fired for clapping at the end of the Nascar race comes to mind.I know he was a reporter in the press box, not a broadcaster, but it still applies.

There are plenty of things you could say that NASL has left to work on. In fact, I will list somethings where I feel like they could improve.

1. Gretorp + Incontrol need more time casting together. They also need to pick roles, imo. One as play-by-play and the other as color/analysis. I can understand with MLG neither had all kinds of time to cast a bunch of games to practice working together and I think that the relationship will develop over time.
2. I'd prefer they drop player interviews. That or put more time into them. KawaiiRice's interview sticks out in my head. What a waste of three minutes. Maybe put them on the NASL website as additional content people can opt into? They just seem to break up the flow of the show and add unnecessary length.

That having been said, caster bias has not, to my mind, been an issue.
"It's like waxing your balls, it hurts like a biiiitch but after they are silky smooth...." -Kennigit
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
April 15 2011 06:35 GMT
#2720
On April 15 2011 14:59 pachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 14:56 hmmm... wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:50 Ocedic wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:34 jenzebubble wrote:
You can't fault incontrol for wanting his teammate to win. That said, I don't think that it showed during the games. They if you haven't noticed, NASL is building up a brand. The casters, the players, the games; are all a part of that brand. Rarely will you hear a NASL caster say anything bad about a player or game. Decision made? Sure, but not something like Tastosis where they will say, "I have no idea how this guy is in Code S."


So then why is someone who can't be objective a caster? I basically turn off the sound/commentary whenever a Korean plays because of the anti-Korean bias that tool has. I get the impression it's less about him expressing what he wants and more about him trying to create a Bill O'Reilly/Simon Cowell "I can say whatever I want" image.

EDIT: Oh, and for those saying Tastosis are biased, yes they are biased against good/bad players. They aren't biased against nationality, which is what makes Incontrol's comments so petty. Also, his trash talk is like it's coming from a drunk frat guy rather than anything witty or meaningful.


actually Tastosis are biased against nationality, which is obvious given they're foreigners. but notably, it's Artosis who let's his inner bias show conspicuously in his commentary and hence affect the quality of his commentary.

oh well, what can i say: foreign commentators need to become more professional. can't have an esports industry with such lack of professionalism imo.

For any international event that I see on TV (Olympics, World Cup), the sports commentators and programming always show some bias for the home country.


In those instances it makes sense because it's countries competing against countries. For example, it's perfectly logical for the GSL World vs Korea battles to have biased commentary. But for those of you saying all commentators have bias, sure but I don't hear NBA or NFL sports commentators going "WELCOME TO THE EAST COAST BITCH! WEST COAST SUCKS WOOOOOO THEY MAD"
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