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On April 14 2011 09:45 bronzeterran wrote:
If I understand it correctly, Naniwa is getting nailed because he was too tired from travel to play a tournament game, but not too tired to hop on the ladder. Bad form on his part, but it makes sense in a way. Seems NASL isn't distinguishing between a guy's ability to show up on the ladder, and his ability to play an important match. Or maybe that's the stated reason and something else about the situation pissed them off?
Naniwa said he was going to sleep and rest up a little bit after Dreamhack. Strelock begrudgingly agreed to it. Then Naniwa apparently stated laddering and upon being discovered gave some other reasons to the NASL. He was given the choice to play Strelock then or the W.O. would be offered to Strelock. The W.O. option was taken and subsequently offered, now pending decision on Strelock's part.
They gave him the time to sleep and Strelock was going to wait for him since DH + traveling is a bit understandable, but to then pull a 180 and vitrtually do the exact opposite and grind ladder while they waited is what got them annoyed I think.
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On April 14 2011 09:46 vrok wrote:
Let's not exaggerate about Naniwa for no reason. Even though he wasn't playing, he was attending Dreamhack, just like White-Ra. It's all about priorities. Kinda silly to say you need sleep and then play ladder though, even if I can understand wanting to wind down and release some stress, but whatever...
So? How many times have BW progamers played MSL/OSL after their proleague match? Or how about after all days worth of practice for a large bo5? I'll excuse white-ra since he was to play on the same day but naniwa has no excuses and even laddered after. Totally unprofessional.
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it takes a long time to encode things. Like hours. if they started the encode and then checked it and it was wrong, they have to start the process over again. It could be something like that as geoff said it was an encoding issue.
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Also, didn't Naniwa...not play dreamhack?
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Think of it as a scheduled time to watch VoD of a previously live casted match. We're watching a video.
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On April 14 2011 09:49 PartyBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 09:47 Ancient.eu wrote:
So the NASL games are being played live ? I though that they were recordings played. The games are played live (which is why the VoDs don't have a replay bar), and they are cast live (which is why Rainbow lagged and Gretorp/Incontrol weren't just skimming through that). This is then recorded and processed. I don't know if the preshow is recorded as well though.
Preshow is live, because there were sound issues, and those got resolved as soon as they started the recording.
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On April 14 2011 09:47 bronzeterran wrote:
If it were my call I'd just give him a game loss and map choice to Strelok, but looks like they're setting a hard precedent.
u don't get it do you?
He doesn't want or isn't able to play at the time they agreed to play on which was like 30 hours ago or something.
How would giving Strelok a 1-0 advantage matter at all if Naniwa isn't gonna play anyway
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On April 14 2011 09:48 ptbl wrote:
NASL really needs to be felixble is scheduling the games. They don't need to play the games the day before. They could do it 2 weeks, 1 week, 2 days before. I'm not sure why they are so strict about playing it the day before its casted.
It's bad enough trying not to get spoiled about the results of the games alrdy with everyone spamming chat about who won and just looking up match histories. Waiting 1-2weeks isn't an option and no one is gonna care because that person's skill can drop drastically in that time span.
The players knew the rules when entering the league, it's solely their fault if they can't do what they signed up for. This is what the deposit was for, apparently it wasn't big enough to hault no-shows.
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On April 14 2011 09:45 bronzeterran wrote:
If I understand it correctly, Naniwa is getting nailed because he was too tired from travel to play a tournament game, but not too tired to hop on the ladder. Bad form on his part, but it makes sense in a way. Seems NASL isn't distinguishing between a guy's ability to show up on the ladder, and his ability to play an important match. Or maybe that's the stated reason and something else about the situation pissed them off?
I have no problems with them being extremely strict from the get go.
Take the tournament seriously or take the loss.
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On April 14 2011 09:50 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 09:45 bronzeterran wrote:
If I understand it correctly, Naniwa is getting nailed because he was too tired from travel to play a tournament game, but not too tired to hop on the ladder. Bad form on his part, but it makes sense in a way. Seems NASL isn't distinguishing between a guy's ability to show up on the ladder, and his ability to play an important match. Or maybe that's the stated reason and something else about the situation pissed them off? Naniwa said he was going to sleep and rest up a little bit after Dreamhack. Strelock begrudgingly agreed to it. Then Naniwa apparently stated laddering and upon being discovered gave some other reasons to the NASL. He was given the choice to play Strelock then or the W.O. would be offered to Strelock. The W.O. option was taken and subsequently offered, now pending decision on Strelock's part. They gave him the time to sleep and Strelock was going to wait for him since DH + traveling is a bit understandable, but to then pull a 180 and vitrtually do the exact opposite and grind ladder while they waited is what got them annoyed I think.
Even the sleeping thing should not be tolerated.
The times are known for weeks now.
If you dont make it to your game for whatever reason you have to forfeit. Just like in every other tourney. Its that easy.
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On April 14 2011 09:48 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 09:45 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Incontrol just talked about the delay and the Naniwa situation for a few minutes on the NASL stream. What, on which stream? I see nothing on mine.
He is done talking about it, all he said has already been mentioned in this thread... 2 hour delay... naniwa was tired so strelok agreed to let him sleep before the match, naniwa decided to ladder instead of sleep, strelok was given the option of a walkover but has not said either way yet
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At least there are 5 games a night. this way if one is a forfeit, you still got four more!!
I dont blame NASL. The schedule is the schedule and they asked to be in the league. Follow the schedule or don't join the league.
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It's too bad that White-Ra couldn't play against July tonight  But understandable circumstances.
Rooting for qxc, iNcontroL, and... I totally can't choose between TT1 and Sjow >.<
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On April 14 2011 09:49 Heaton31 wrote:
Just my initial opinion but NASL hasn't been very good at all so far. Pre-recorded with a ton of prep. time and it's still lagging behind live events. It's a good thing they have a commitment for a few seasons because I could see it getting dropped if there weren't future plans laid out.
Yea if they knew about this all day why oh why didnt they announce it earlier, i specifically came home from what i was doing to watch it and now i feel like an idiot for ditching out on what i was going to do. Just over an hour ago there was no word on this delay. Also really annoying that i payed for it and now im missing out on 2 games in 2 days, assuming naniwa doesnt play strelok, i know its not the NASL's fault but its still rather annoying, you rarely see that type of thing at a live tournament =/
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On April 14 2011 09:49 Gijian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 09:48 ptbl wrote:
NASL really needs to be felixble is scheduling the games. They don't need to play the games the day before. They could do it 2 weeks, 1 week, 2 days before. I'm not sure why they are so strict about playing it the day before its casted. The longer the game been out, the easier the information get leaked.
Watching the game knowing results > not having it played at all.
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I wish NASL would stop giving the option to the player to accept a reschedule or forfeit win. They need to be making that decision. Not making a player potentially looking bad because they opt for the free points.
I agree with July getting the wins, agree with Strelock getting the wins(if he opts for it) but I think in both cases NASL needs to step forward and make that hard decision.
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On April 14 2011 09:51 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 09:48 ptbl wrote:
NASL really needs to be felixble is scheduling the games. They don't need to play the games the day before. They could do it 2 weeks, 1 week, 2 days before. I'm not sure why they are so strict about playing it the day before its casted. It's bad enough trying not to get spoiled about the results of the games alrdy with everyone spamming chat about who won and just looking up match histories.
Yet somehow the TSL manages this perfectly? It's only an issue if you/they let it be. There are solutions.
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On April 14 2011 09:51 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Also, didn't Naniwa...not play dreamhack?
Right, he didnt play at dreamhack and he obviously knew beforehand when he was gonna play. What happened to planning ahead? Silly ammount of prize pool here, I cant believe he didnt prepare more.
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Wait, few of you said Naniwa was tired from travel and DH tourney - if I didn't go complete insane ,staying all night every day watching SC, Naniwa didn't play @ DH.
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