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mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
April 14 2011 00:56 GMT
#141
Man NASL should just enforce their rules and not leave players who are on time in such akward situations. Just give the damn wins to strelok
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
April 14 2011 00:56 GMT
#142
On April 14 2011 09:48 Trentelshark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:45 bronzeterran wrote:
If I understand it correctly, Naniwa is getting nailed because he was too tired from travel to play a tournament game, but not too tired to hop on the ladder. Bad form on his part, but it makes sense in a way. Seems NASL isn't distinguishing between a guy's ability to show up on the ladder, and his ability to play an important match. Or maybe that's the stated reason and something else about the situation pissed them off?

He basically said "Hey NASL, I'm too tired to play my games, but awake enough to ladder, therefore playing Starcraft 2. I am Naniwa, I can do whatever I want." There's a reason he has a reputation for bailing on events/showmatches/streams etc. and to decide to ladder instead of playing your matches tells NASL I don't care, you should wait for me, and tbh, they made the right decision if this is in fact the case.

I really have no idea what that man was thinking. It really does not make any sense what he did. i hope he will make some sort of post about why he did that. After MLG i was really starting to like this guy, but it seems like he is starting to get back to his old ways.... come on bro manner up.
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
April 14 2011 00:56 GMT
#143
On April 14 2011 09:55 Blardy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:49 Gijian wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:48 ptbl wrote:
NASL really needs to be felixble is scheduling the games. They don't need to play the games the day before. They could do it 2 weeks, 1 week, 2 days before. I'm not sure why they are so strict about playing it the day before its casted.

The longer the game been out, the easier the information get leaked.


Watching the game knowing results > not having it played at all.


I was really looking forward to July vs White-ra. To be honest, I think there will be a lot of games where people will need to forfeit if they can't reschedule. When the GSL starts the players won't be able to stay up until 4AM to play a game when they have an important much the next day.
Don't mind me
bronzeterran
Profile Joined September 2010
United States296 Posts
April 14 2011 00:56 GMT
#144
On April 14 2011 09:52 silentsod wrote:
I have no problems with them being extremely strict from the get go.

Take the tournament seriously or take the loss.



I don't have a problem with it- it's probably the smartest thing to do, to lay down the hammer now and avoid problems later. Plus from what a couple people said it sounded like Naniwa was throwing out excuses and crap, so yeah, good decision.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 14 2011 00:57 GMT
#145
On April 14 2011 09:56 Pekkz wrote:
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On April 14 2011 09:51 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Also, didn't Naniwa...not play dreamhack?


Right, he didnt play at dreamhack and he obviously knew beforehand when he was gonna play. What happened to planning ahead? Silly ammount of prize pool here, I cant believe he didnt prepare more.

Its Naniwa, nothing new here.
Off-season = best season
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 14 2011 00:57 GMT
#146
1. The recording has to encode over night takes many hours. For w/e reason it had a stoppage last night that nobody noticed until today when there wasn't enough time to fix it before the stream goes live. We are delayed. It was our mistake.. we obviously know what to check for in the future! We are sorry!

2. We are aware that W/O's suck and are not what anybody wants... we are discussing ways to make this less frequent. We DO have a really ambitious schedule though so if players aren't communicating with us it will be really hard to cut them huge amounts of slack. Please know this league cannot exist with a bunch of w/o's so obviously we above all else want to work out how to solve this and we are on it!

3. Thanks to everyone being understanding and having patience <3 We will make mistakes.. what is important is that we improve upon them!
Ikuu
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom97 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:59:58
April 14 2011 00:58 GMT
#147
On April 14 2011 09:56 whiterabbit wrote:
Wait, few of you said Naniwa was tired from travel and DH tourney - if I didn't go complete insane ,staying all night every day watching SC, Naniwa didn't play @ DH.

He was still at Dreamhack.

Also NASL needs to stop asking players if they want the free-win and award it, stop putting players into that position.

On April 14 2011 09:57 iNcontroL wrote:
1. The recording has to encode over night takes many hours. For w/e reason it had a stoppage last night that nobody noticed until today when there wasn't enough time to fix it before the stream goes live. We are delayed. It was our mistake.. we obviously know what to check for in the future! We are sorry!

Then why not announce it was going to be delayed earlier, rather than announcing it when it was supposed to air?
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
April 14 2011 00:58 GMT
#148
On April 14 2011 09:56 whiterabbit wrote:
Wait, few of you said Naniwa was tired from travel and DH tourney - if I didn't go complete insane ,staying all night every day watching SC, Naniwa didn't play @ DH.

No, but he attended. Probably helping SjoW practice among other things. Anyway, if you were there you'd understand the decision better.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 01:02:54
April 14 2011 00:58 GMT
#149
No, no, I don't judge nor question if he was/is tired I just wanted to double-check if Naniwa played @ DH because I watched it and didn't see him.

So games in 1 hour, damn, it's already 3am where I am... I hoped this will finish before 5am so I could take few hours of sleep, guess not. Damn you SC2!
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
MattRz
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile1680 Posts
April 14 2011 00:59 GMT
#150
Great Casting last night iNcontroL
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake ♞
RonaldRayGun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States200 Posts
April 14 2011 00:59 GMT
#151
I realize that you are delayed ( I feel your pain as a fellow showman), but by how much? Hours?
"Machine is making more zerglings. How does IdrA combat MORE zerglings? In Korea they don't make MORE Zerglings! You cheesy fucking newbie! - InControl comentating MAchine vs IdrA
monkey5476
Profile Joined January 2011
United States133 Posts
April 14 2011 00:59 GMT
#152
Isn't the point of this league to be targeted towards North Americans? Why is it on so late? I have a job, you know, at this point it's actually easier to just wake up at 5 to watch GSL. I realize that it will be a good time in the west but come on now.
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 01:01:34
April 14 2011 00:59 GMT
#153
I like the hard stance. If you want to be a professional, you have to be dependable and show up. If it's something that you can control (eg. multiple tournaments), then it's up to you to manage your schedule better or accept the consequences that were laid out beforehand.

Idea for the future: Set a time every day where you announce drama that will affect the next day's matches.
thragar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada450 Posts
April 14 2011 01:00 GMT
#154
This is completely unacceptable and I don't understand how any invite tournament should ever invite Naniwa again, and Naniwa should be suspended or banned from the NASL all together.

What he did is not just insulting and disrespectful to the efforts of the league, but to the fans as well. Even Allen Iverson shows up for actual games, come on.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
April 14 2011 01:00 GMT
#155
On April 14 2011 09:57 iNcontroL wrote:
1. The recording has to encode over night takes many hours. For w/e reason it had a stoppage last night that nobody noticed until today when there wasn't enough time to fix it before the stream goes live. We are delayed. It was our mistake.. we obviously know what to check for in the future! We are sorry!


3. Thanks to everyone being understanding and having patience <3 We will make mistakes.. what is important is that we improve upon them!


Well the good thing is that you guys are actually communicating with the viewers and letting us know how long things are delayed for. Unlike MLG, which viewers were left in the dark as to what is going on and when things would actually be back up. At least we can better use our time now.
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
April 14 2011 01:01 GMT
#156
On April 14 2011 09:57 iNcontroL wrote:
1. The recording has to encode over night takes many hours. For w/e reason it had a stoppage last night that nobody noticed until today when there wasn't enough time to fix it before the stream goes live. We are delayed. It was our mistake.. we obviously know what to check for in the future! We are sorry!

2. We are aware that W/O's suck and are not what anybody wants... we are discussing ways to make this less frequent. We DO have a really ambitious schedule though so if players aren't communicating with us it will be really hard to cut them huge amounts of slack. Please know this league cannot exist with a bunch of w/o's so obviously we above all else want to work out how to solve this and we are on it!

3. Thanks to everyone being understanding and having patience <3 We will make mistakes.. what is important is that we improve upon them!


I'm perfectly fine with W/O's. It shows who is professional and who isn't. If a player had a prior arrangement and communicated with you guys to let you know in advance (days or weeks, not hours) then I think it would be wrong to give a W/O but not if a player is just being lazy.

As far as the encoding error, it's a pain to be sure but it's the second day. Just like I didn't enjoy the silence yesterday (no music), I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't happen in a month when the league should be stable.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45382 Posts
April 14 2011 01:01 GMT
#157
On April 14 2011 09:53 Gov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:48 Redox wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:45 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Incontrol just talked about the delay and the Naniwa situation for a few minutes on the NASL stream.

What, on which stream? I see nothing on mine.

He is done talking about it, all he said has already been mentioned in this thread... 2 hour delay... naniwa was tired so strelok agreed to let him sleep before the match, naniwa decided to ladder instead of sleep, strelok was given the option of a walkover but has not said either way yet


Strelok should take the walkover. He'd probably lose if he has to play Naniwa.

Simple as that, in my opinion. If Naniwa actually put himself in a vulnerable position that could cause a forfeit on his part, and this is for a tournament with a prize pool, it's his own fault for not being more responsible.

And that's a pity, because I was hoping to see them play. But I think it would be foolish for Strelok to not be opportunistic in this scenario, especially when money is on the line. There's certainly no level of honor or entertainment that trumps playing to win, and there's no one to blame but Naniwa.

That being said, I don't know all of the details, so I'm just going off what I'm reading here- the assumption that Naniwa was being dumb and that Strelok is actually being offered the option of a walkover because of it.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 14 2011 01:01 GMT
#158
1. Naniwa didn't even play at dreamhack. If he knew this would be an issue he shouldn't have gone.

2. Saying one thing and doing another. Just when I thought Nani had turned the corner his old ways pops back up. Ugh..
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 14 2011 01:01 GMT
#159
On April 14 2011 10:00 mango_destroyer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:57 iNcontroL wrote:
1. The recording has to encode over night takes many hours. For w/e reason it had a stoppage last night that nobody noticed until today when there wasn't enough time to fix it before the stream goes live. We are delayed. It was our mistake.. we obviously know what to check for in the future! We are sorry!


3. Thanks to everyone being understanding and having patience <3 We will make mistakes.. what is important is that we improve upon them!


Well the good thing is that you guys are actually communicating with the viewers and letting us know how long things are delayed for. Unlike MLG, which viewers were left in the dark as to what is going on and when things would actually be back up. At least we can better use our time now.

Perhaps you just weren't paying attention during MLG, they communicated with us quite frequent.
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 01:02:30
April 14 2011 01:02 GMT
#160
On April 14 2011 09:57 iNcontroL wrote:
1. The recording has to encode over night takes many hours. For w/e reason it had a stoppage last night that nobody noticed until today when there wasn't enough time to fix it before the stream goes live. We are delayed. It was our mistake.. we obviously know what to check for in the future! We are sorry!

How about putting something up on the website so I don't have to click around until I find the information in the LR thread?
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