EPTOn April 13 2011 07:19 jcarlson08 wrote:
Except 3gate blink stalker and proxy 2-gate, amirite?
Except 3gate blink stalker and proxy 2-gate, amirite?
And 1 gate robo versus 4 gate in the TSL where he 3-0'd whitera lol.
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Heavenly
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And 1 gate robo versus 4 gate in the TSL where he 3-0'd whitera lol. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On April 13 2011 07:23 MorroW wrote: ggs ) awesome event protoss I hope you dont have to face MC in the first round next tournament. You must be tired of it by now  | ||
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Chinchillin
United States259 Posts
MC "Kratos" "God" Protoss | ||
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Grantiere
United States129 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:04 WhiteDog wrote: Long macro games and won = BARELY. Against IdrA in long maccro game he was dominated, he lost one against Morrow... serously, nobody says he cannot win a maccro game: he is certainly one of the best maccro player, but ONE OF THE BEST. He is not a "bonjwa", he should not have 3 win in GSL, he should not win every damn tournament. The current state of the game permit him to do so, and people are hungry about it. You don't win a "long macro game" dominantly. Either both sides are too passive at some stage of the game, or one side is dominant and it never gets to the "long macro" state. Idra played really well and was arguably ahead in the late midgame, but didn't dominate MC at any stage - otherwise he would have won earlier. Some would argue that Idra should have but was too passive; you could make the case that if MC hit either the natural or third with his ground while phoenix harassing, the game would have ended really early and you'd be complaining about how MC was too afraid to get into a macro game with Idra. White-ra opens a flexible but slightly risky 2-gate stalker over and over in multiple series in different tournaments on multiple maps, all against the same opponent, and as result, is everyone's favorite. If MC wins a long macro game, it's because he's protoss. If MC loses a long macro game, it's because his builds are risky and he's not a complete player. If MC wins a short game, it's because all he knows how to do are mindless 1-2 base all-in pushes. If MC loses a short game, it's because his opponent "dominated" him or massively outplayed him. If MC cheeses a game and wins, it's because he's a "newb," a "hack," or he's "afraid of his opponent." If MC cheeses a game and loses, he's suicide toss. MC wins series. He wins tournaments. He plays with the cards dealt to him, he plays his opponent. There will someday be someone more effective than him, likely sooner rather than later, but for now, there isn't. Starcraft 2 may be a game, but I see a series or set of series more as a war simulation, and MC better exemplifies the concepts from The Art of War than any other top-level SC2 player today. He defended well; most pros wouldn't have held Morrow's well-timed push. More often than not he chose good times and places to fight. More importantly, he gathered information. He kept his head about him better than his adversaries, with Idra tilting and White-ra's scouting lapse in the final games of those series. He was unconventional when it was least expected and most advantageous. We like the big fights, the big macro games, because of the grandeur and spectacle and panapoly of large forces slugging it out - a digital example of Robert E. Lee's observation that "It is well that war is so terrible - otherwise we would grow too fond of it." We see the ability of reaching that point and winning as skill, since as Napoleon put it, "God is on the side of the biggest battalions." We celebrate the amassing of the biggest battalions because it's proven to be successful and sustainable. Idra certainly takes this approach, and White-ra implies it when he says his opponents (San and MC) "don't want longer games." But it's not the only approach. If amassing big battalions is what your opponent wants to do and is best at, don't let him do it. Sun Tzu posits that "the highest form of generalship is to balk the enemy's plans." That's pretty much what MC does. His aggression is faster and stronger better executed than anyone else's, and it takes people out of their prepared gameplan. It doesn't always work; the best pros at the top of their game can sometimes recover and respond (Morrow's win, Idra game 1, White-ra game 2), but it works often enough and leaves a strong enough impression that it seems to carry from one set to the next. You can see how intimidated his peers were at the GSL Code S selection events, or from Idra's pre-tourney interview. Like MVP, at some point he'll lose some, be less intimidating, and lose more, but it hasn't happened yet. When it does, he'll be another very good player. No need to tear him down now. | ||
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Lanzal
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I shaked hands with oGsMC.. needless to say, im never washing my right hand again. | ||
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red4ce
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loveeholicce
Korea (South)785 Posts
On April 13 2011 07:23 MorroW wrote: ggs ) awesome event protoss  ? | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
On April 13 2011 07:32 red4ce wrote: Needs to be less rage at MC and more rage at White-ra for skipping the first zealot every single game and making it obvious cheese would work. Flash is my favorite bw player but if he 14CC'd 5 times in a row then got bounced out of the OSL by a 4 pool, I'd blame Flash and not his opponent. I agree with this. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
lolol just kidding <3 welldeserved winner xd | ||
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Gunman_csz
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
On April 13 2011 07:23 MorroW wrote: ggs ) awesome event protoss Its not too late to switch to protoss :D Also gl next time morrow and and start streaming again YOOO. | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On April 13 2011 07:25 Neosta2 wrote: ![[image loading]](http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5647/20110201143311.jpg) What is this post supposed to be...? | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
<3 Such an awesome player!!!!!! Definitely my favorite player ever :D | ||
j3i
United States357 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:29 Trowa127 wrote: I'm a massive Idra fan but when I saw game one, I saw MC put into a difficult position and you know what he did? He came out fucking swinging. He piled on the pressure, tech switched absolutely brilliantly and won with superior control, end of fucking story. Stop whining. Why is it that Idra's drop play was so succesful in game 2 against Cruncher and he refuses to do it again? To answer your question, I believe I've only seen hydra drops used when the Protoss does a forge FE into stargate tech. Forge first means they invest in cannons and have less resources to put into gateway units. Stargate tech means slower colossus. I'm not saying that he absolutely could not have dropped MC, but the situation was not "ideal" as far as we know. On another note: "He came out fucking swinging" is possibly the best description of what happened after idra pulled ahead. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
MC is better than whitera, period no one would ever dispute that | ||
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Norway56 Posts
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On April 13 2011 07:23 MorroW wrote: ggs ) awesome event protoss Idra+Morrow on next State of the game. Idra+morrow vs geoff tyler day9. Let the games begin. | ||
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ZeroxCOOL
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On April 13 2011 08:04 Pekkz wrote: Idra+Morrow on next State of the game. Idra+morrow vs geoff tyler day9. Let the games begin. Lol finally. SOTG has been the most bias protoss favored show for a while now. DT > Banshee. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On April 13 2011 07:15 Zzoram wrote: MC's bases were never harassed. I don't think he ever even lost a building or mining probe. MC had 4 bases, 1 of which was gold, when Idra had 4 bases. In that situation, MC was insanely ahead. Untouched 4 base economy with gold. In the only time where it looked like Idra was ahead, he traded armies with MC but did no damage to MC's economy or base. That put Idra a bit ahead and he should have aggressively harassed after that but didn't and quickly fell behind MC again. MC also harassed Idra's 4th with Zealots but Idra never bothered to drop MC or even harass with lings despite MC's army positioning making an attack against his 3rd and main simultaneously a good idea. Not only that MC blew up 4 queens and half a dozen drones at the beginning, Dropped in Zealots then stalkers at IdrA's 3rd to delay IdrA when idra was getting slightly ahead. IdrA really never had advantage that whole game except at very start a few minutes after Void was killed. Then IdrA screwed that up too by stopping attack after smartly killing off sentries. People just need to face the fact MC is a level above in every category including IdrA much lauded macro. | ||
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