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SockArms
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States591 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6881
On April 13 2011 03:01 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 03:00 Copymizer wrote:
hahahha the commentator is really fun ! I love the witty banter brits can fire off just naturally :D

Ya, he's awesome. :D

idk about everyone else but I have a huge mancrush on this guy developing lol add in Total Biscuit and the commentary would come close to the archon.
| Cloud9 | DK | Liquid |
Licit
Profile Joined March 2011
Japan237 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6882
On April 13 2011 03:02 DNB wrote:
THE BEAST FROM THE EAST

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lol huk
Argelia
Profile Joined March 2011
59 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6883
Idra's suberb play in game 1 aside, i really wanna see DeMuslim play again.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6884
I swear, with Idra's mentality against Protoss, a toss player might be able to trick him into gging even while he's winning.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6885
On April 13 2011 03:01 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 03:00 Copymizer wrote:
hahahha the commentator is really fun ! I love the witty banter brits can fire off just naturally :D


Not all of us are funny.

Sure you are. Generalization FTW.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6886
Let's go WhiteRa!! If he wins I get all the matches right from pp2..

On April 12 2011 18:54 tdt wrote:
MC 2-0 Morrow
Idra 2-1 TLO
HuK 0-2 Sjow
Jinro 0-2 WhiteRa

MC 2-0 Idra
WhiteRa 2-1 Sjow

MC 3-0 WhiteRa
MC for president
Bashy
Profile Joined April 2011
63 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6887
beast from the east fightiing !
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6888
On April 13 2011 03:02 ImHuko wrote:
Protoss want zerg to play perfectly while they play average, we get it. Gogo Sjow!


Made me smile. Go go Sjow!
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
danielsan
Profile Joined December 2010
Romania399 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6889
On April 13 2011 02:57 loveeholicce wrote:
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On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh

IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...

IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"

MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...

The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus


You'd have to actually play Zerg for an extend period of time to realize how frustrating stuff like this is. This happens to me so many times on ladder...try my ass of for minute advantages, get in a better position, play the game of my life, then lose to a Protoss because my attention lapsed for one second and he could capitalize. It's so discouraging i basically just don't ladder for an hour or two, if not leave the game for the rest of the day. Keep I'm mind I'm a noob who plays the game at low masters level for fun. It must be so much worse for some1 that actually does this for a living

this. Basically protoss can and does make at least as many mistakes as his opponent (T or Z) but can hardly be punished for it. If you try and don't succeed, you're behind. If you don't try, you're behind.

How can a race turtle and afford the luxury to a-move after and crush face, that's beyond me.

buscemi
Profile Joined April 2011
116 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6890
On April 13 2011 03:01 sereniity wrote:
I don't see why people are saying that IdrA THREW away his game by 6 pooling last game... If ANY other zerg pro would 6 pool that second game I GUARANTEE you that people wouldn't say that they "threw away the game", nobody says it about TLOs cheese (even tho he's terran) and honestly it's up to IdrA how he wants to play his matches.


Six pooling on Xelnaga is so, so, so bad. A 9 probe sees it well in advance. There's nothing wrong with strategic 6 pooling, Fruitdealer did an amazingly well timed 6 pool on Kulas in GSL1.
radu_c
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania226 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6891
I LOVE DREAMHACK!
Ikuu
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom97 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6892
On April 13 2011 03:01 venge1155 wrote:
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On April 13 2011 02:58 JoeCrow wrote:
If a pro-athlete did what idra did just did in that series then their coach would have chewed him the fuck out and probably benched him from playing. And as a spectator - it is simply pathetic to watch - and not entertaining at all. You can't let frustration get the best of you - as a competitor you have to to play your best and try until the very end.



Really? No one has EVERY done an onside kick during the opening kickoff in the playoff before, much less in an important game. Nope, never.

Never seen a flee flicker, or half back option, nope. UNHEARD OF.

Idra 6pools when he's given up and doesn't care, it wasn't some sort of trick to try and catch MC off guard, he just didn't give a fuck.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6893
On April 13 2011 03:01 sereniity wrote:
I don't see why people are saying that IdrA THREW away his game by 6 pooling last game... If ANY other zerg pro would 6 pool that second game I GUARANTEE you that people wouldn't say that they "threw away the game", nobody says it about TLOs cheese (even tho he's terran) and honestly it's up to IdrA how he wants to play his matches.

Either way, IdrA had the first game but I feel that he went too passive, he should've kept pushing instead of going back to macro game and then let the protoss max out...


i think everyone is pointing out that, 6 pooling is not a bad thing, but 6 pooling on caverns, especially against MC, is a very very risky move, almost a throw away.
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PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6894
On April 13 2011 02:21 droxe wrote:
What's with those laughs, are they using a laugh track?


No, that's just how awesome Swedish people are.
The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
SilentShout
Profile Joined March 2011
686 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6895
This Dreamhack is really setting the bar high for other Starcraft 2 events. I have been really really impressed with how it is coming along. Go Sjow!
JadedShock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States90 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6896
On April 13 2011 03:02 kidleader wrote:
Awesome production. 2GD and his WoW show on ESL introduced me to eSports.

I think he's a really good MC. Great choice on Dreamhack's part. I will have to go back on some of 2GD's stuff and check it out.

Dear lord it's hard to keep up with this thread.
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Tomalak-
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands7 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6897
I would just like to say this is the best tournament run so far. Even when they have some problems with sound they handle it well with a joke. Let's see if they can do this again at the next Dreamhack with hundreds of games to play.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6898
On April 13 2011 03:03 andrewlt wrote:
I swear, with Idra's mentality against Protoss, a toss player might be able to trick him into gging even while he's winning.

Hallucinated Void Rays
lalala
Lush
Profile Joined May 2010
United States657 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6899
On April 13 2011 03:00 Inflexion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:55 Lush wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh

IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...

IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"

MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...

The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus


While I respect you immensely as a player and what you do for the community, I gotta disagree with you a bit here. Well not disagree, as idra definitely played it wrong. But the correct play is still so difficult to pull off. I just feel as maybe you don't have a complete perspective on the matter

Sure, he attack in a choke. Metal is basically a giant choke, there wasn't really any other options. He could've positioned a bit better, but I still think with MCs insane micro, it hard to idras to come out on top with those two army comps.

Maybe you have played zerg and know how they feel late game, and I know you're worlds better than I'll ever be, but imo, zerg late game is incredibly difficult. Roachs get murdered by stalkers/collsus, as do hydras. If you kill of collosus with corruptors you have a dozen worthless units or 24 supply of shit (2 supply corruptor i think, im that bad that I don't know for sure)

I do know what you're saying about game 2 though. It's possible to beat protoss, and he came really close.


You're getting the message of this post and Tyler's totally wrong. Whether or not if Idra would have won by doing those things he stated doesn't really matter.

It was the fact that Idra SHOULD BE DOING HIS JOB. Playing every game like his last and giving it 100%. Idra obviously wasn't doing that and that is why Geoff (his teammate) is bringing this up.

He even states that Zerg late game is incredibly difficult, which may or may not be true (time is the only thing that tell whether or not ZvP is trule balanced or imbalanced). But Idra shouldn't have given up like that. He should do his job and give his 100% regardless of his personal bias or whatever that may make him thnk that the game is broken.


ah ok, bit clearer. I agree with them in that respect then. But I don't really think idra gave up in game 1... he lost it. second game was just dumb though.
"you play that nerdy game?"
Axeinst
Profile Joined March 2011
Belize281 Posts
April 12 2011 18:03 GMT
#6900
Guys... we are gonna see PvP finals again....
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