EPTBW will continue to thrive for a while still. There's no need to feel so threatened that you have to leveraging pathetic insults against its main competition.
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Scribble
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BW will continue to thrive for a while still. There's no need to feel so threatened that you have to leveraging pathetic insults against its main competition. | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
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Monta
United States60 Posts
Foreigners Fighting!! | ||
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Miefer
Taiwan229 Posts
i am really curious what make people think that sc2 need less mechanics than bw? i mean in bw you didnt have larva inject, creep spread , mules, crono and so on. also the resource managment is quite the same. army control too. | ||
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mustache
Switzerland309 Posts
On March 29 2011 03:19 Jakalo wrote: Its useless to stress about things that may or may not yet come true, even worse so when you have no control over it. You say SC2 is dumbed down, well mechanics are way easier, thats for sure, but game itself is not ''dumber'' in any way. Yes BW is terrific and I too follow it, but Sc2 has awesome international scene, nothing bw will ever have mostly due to the mechanics. Also basing it on at the moment low level pro (lets be real) bw switchover player losing in a single game to I dont know how much practiced player (probably more than Nada)... The game is dumbed down. the strategies aren't. The mechanics are the only real significant change from BW to SC2, and the'yre what sepereted the pros from the semi pros. now that it's so much easier i dont see whats going to seperate them. I think SC2 could have had the scene it has with more difficult mechanics as well. Blizzard having WoW in its back just gave the company so much more publicity that i think the players would come regardless o fgame difficulty On March 29 2011 03:22 Scribble wrote: Wow, the BW trolls are out in force today. My favorite part about all the "SC2 takes less skill" nonsense is that nobody can ever seem to point out how, and nobody can seem to explain that somehow people have gotten better since release...even though the same bs argument was being made during beta. BW will continue to thrive for a while still. There's no need to feel so threatened that you have to leveraging pathetic insults against its main competition. I am not a troll, and BW is harder than SC2. that's a simple fact. so BW takes more skill. If you honestly think im a troll reread what i wrote. if you really need it spelled out for you heres why broodwar need more skill -macro, no MBS -spells, no smartcast -overkill, you needed better unit control -controle group sizes fun or not it was harder. And im not actually sure players got that much better, Blizzard jsut kept patching the game and modling it into the more macro heavy game it is now. | ||
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
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SafeWord
United States522 Posts
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mustache
Switzerland309 Posts
On March 29 2011 03:30 madmandrit wrote: Everyone keeps saying SC2 is much easier. Then why is skill gap so close? Why aren't the korean's completely raping? thats why the skill cap is closer... | ||
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Ludwigvan
Germany2373 Posts
Tomorrow hwaiting! EDIT: On March 29 2011 03:25 Miefer wrote: I played some bw before but not that much like sc2 now. so i am not a expert in bw. i am really curious what make people think that sc2 need less mechanics than bw? i mean in bw you didnt have larva inject, creep spread , mules, crono and so on. also the resource managment is quite the same. army control too. I think this is especially because of multiple building selection and army selection. If you have a ton of hatches, or gateways, you have to click every single one, in SC2 you don't even have to look at your base to build them, just use hotkeys. Also the unit pathfinding is much better in SC2. Dragoons need a lot of micro, especially when they try to go through small ramps. | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
On March 29 2011 03:25 mustache wrote: The game is dumbed down. the strategies aren't. The mechanics are the only real significant change from BW to SC2, and the'yre what sepereted the pros from the semi pros. now that it's so much easier i dont see whats going to seperate them. I think SC2 could have had the scene it has with more difficult mechanics as well. Blizzard having WoW in its back just gave the company so much more publicity that i think the players would come regardless o fgame difficulty I am not a troll, and BW is harder than SC2. that's a simple fact. so BW takes more skill. If you honestly think im a troll reread what i wrote. if you really need it spelled out for you heres why broodwar need more skill -macro, no MBS -spells, no smartcast -overkill, you needed better unit control -controle group sizes fun or not it was harder. And im not actually sure players got that much better, Blizzard jsut kept patching the game and modling it into the more macro heavy game it is now. So it's harder because of flawed and outdated mechanics? Ok, I'll take the easier game that isn't harder for the sake of being harder at this point. | ||
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SafeWord
United States522 Posts
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Miefer
Taiwan229 Posts
I dont understand overkill either @ludwigvan danke for the explaination but should these things from bw be in a game from 2010? O mean we cant go back to standars from 10 years ago | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On March 29 2011 03:22 Scribble wrote: Wow, the BW trolls are out in force today. My favorite part about all the "SC2 takes less skill" nonsense is that nobody can ever seem to point out how, and nobody can seem to explain that somehow people have gotten better since release...even though the same bs argument was being made during beta. BW will continue to thrive for a while still. There's no need to feel so threatened that you have to leveraging pathetic insults against its main competition. Actually people are pointing it out all the time. Even a player like me that has never played BW understands the "BW trolls" as you put it. The simplifying of the game mechanics is making it harder to differentiate yourself at the top, aka it takes more "physical/mechanical skill" to play BW. Not that I agree or anything since I haven't even played BW but just sayin... | ||
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12D3
United States39 Posts
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
Great day for the Foreigner team! But the 4 players they played were the 4 worst on the international team. I'm still not sure whose going to take games off of NesTea and MVP, let alone Min Chul. It should be extremely interesting. :-) | ||
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mustache
Switzerland309 Posts
If the game is easier its easier for everyone to get good, if that's easier then the skill ceiling is lower and the difference between the best players isnt as big, how is that not logical? smartcasts are that you can select all your templars and click the hotkey for storm, then choose a target and storm only once. if you did that in BW all your templars would cast onto that spot. So you have to control each one individiually. overkill is when more units attack than are needed to kill the enemy. for example if you run a zealot against a tank line in SC2 enough tanks to kill the zealot will shoot while the rest dont. in BW they would all shoot and you could run the rest of your units in while the tanks were on "cooldown" | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
Stay on topic. Discuss the games. Discuss Artosis' and Cella's choices and so on. God... | ||
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Trolle
Sweden227 Posts
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On March 29 2011 03:25 mustache wrote: The game is dumbed down. the strategies aren't. The mechanics are the only real significant change from BW to SC2, and the'yre what sepereted the pros from the semi pros. now that it's so much easier i dont see whats going to seperate them. I think SC2 could have had the scene it has with more difficult mechanics as well. Blizzard having WoW in its back just gave the company so much more publicity that i think the players would come regardless o fgame difficulty I am not a troll, and BW is harder than SC2. that's a simple fact. so BW takes more skill. If you honestly think im a troll reread what i wrote. if you really need it spelled out for you heres why broodwar need more skill -macro, no MBS -spells, no smartcast -overkill, you needed better unit control -controle group sizes fun or not it was harder. And im not actually sure players got that much better, Blizzard jsut kept patching the game and modling it into the more macro heavy game it is now. Congratulations, you pointed out differences. A human being is only capable of so many tasks at a time. In BW, you correctly pointed out a number of important mechanics that players have to focus on, skill-sets which aren't necessary in SC2. So here's a thought, doesn't that just leave room for other skill-sets to develop? What I'm getting at, is let's just say the "skill ceiling," the maximum amount of tasks anyone is capable of handling is 400 actions per minute. In BW, you hit your skill ceiling managing these mechanics. In SC2, people will hit it managing other mechanics UNLESS there is no way, mechanically, to play better. Is that honestly what you're arguing? I'd certainly accept that the skill ceiling for mechanical play is lower in SC2...if you're only talking about base management, but micro? There is absolutely no limit to how much room there is for unit control to improve IN EITHER GAME, but there is a limit to how much a person can physically do. If players are using their hands less for the mechanics you listed, they're just going to find other ways to improve. There's simply no reason why this cannot be the case, and THAT is a fact. BW does inherently take more skill to be a top level player; it requires DIFFERENT skills. | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/odtFD.jpg) Best picture of Cella I could find that almost fit the original : /. | ||
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