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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied. Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
(Current International ELO Rank) 24th-  Moon71st-  QXC33rd- KawaiiRice22nd- SeleCT9th- IdrA222nd- Fenix60th- DarKFoRcE76th- HayprO16th-  HasuObs7th- Socke37th- KiWiKaKi43rd- CrunCher13th NaNiwa150th- CatZ29th- ClouDFrom this two players stand out, Fenix and CatZ. Both players have their own achievements and I do feel like they can compete for their spot.+ Show Spoiler + I know ELO doesn't mean much, but it does give some unbiased indication on skill | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
This is exactly how I felt about Cruncher's TLOpen win; he didn't really seem very creative or skilled, just able to use easy-win strategies. HOWEVER, his play in the recent showmatches everyone is talking about really has been much higher quality; he won with a variety of strategies, including big macro games as well as rushes. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On March 23 2011 09:07 Gatsbi wrote: Why should there only be 1 tournament like the GSL? In BW we had OSL MSL, and sometimes WCG and GOM tourneys. Why do foreigners deserve the biggest prize pool in SC2? They are getting rewarded for not being the best? wtf? that is ridiculous. The "hurp derp we already have that tourney its called gsl" argument is absolutely retarded, the more competitions there are with top koreans, the harder the foreigners will want to compete to become a part of that. they will practice and train harder and eventually be able to compete with Koreans. Do you just want it to turn into BW again, completely segregated between foreigners and Koreans, or do you want to see your favorite players battling it out on the world's top stage? Right, I want my favourite players in the league, thing is, most of them aren't koreans, I don't need another GSL (herp derp and stuff). I never said invite no Koreans, hell that would be stupid by NASL, but stacking the brackets with 3 2 koreans per division would kill the whole NA in NASL (that's 50%!)... invite people like MC, MarineKing, July, etc, and you already raised the level to world class with about 5-10 players, no need for 40 and i'm pretty sure outside of TL that opinion is even more spread, NASL would be stupid not to try to appeal to new audiences in the US (and EU) and that probably works better with having a truly international event rather than one full with "those nerdy asians" | ||
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DazZle.
United States56 Posts
On March 23 2011 09:10 jlake02 wrote: I feel the need to stand up for my player here. Alot of commentors are jumping on the 'why Cruncher' bandwagon and I don't think that's fair. The guy beat Fenix in a bo3 for the TL Open. He recently beat PainUser, SjoW and LzGaMeR in bo7 series. He hasn't had many opportunities to prove himself yet but has done well in almost every shot he has been given. Keep your eyes on him in 2011. He's going to be a solid player, regardless whether or not he has the "big name" forum fans like to see. His run through the TSL tournament was a collection of 4 gate and 2 base all ins. Does anyone remember the game on shakuras where he placed warpgates where his natural nexus should have been? /facepalm Secondly, beating PainUser, SjoW and LzGamer isnt very impressive when it was at a time when Terrans do not understand the matchup as well as Protoss do. The SjoW and LzGamer series which I watched, was again a series of 1-2 base all ins. proxy stargates etc... You can't be rational if you think this guy is LEGIT top 50 material. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On March 23 2011 08:59 Bagi wrote: Thorzain was just an "average" euro, as was Hasuobs in the eyes of many people. They proved everyone wrong on the first round of TSL already. Of course we also had Ciara... What this demonstrates to me is that qualifiers and ladders for big tournaments are a good idea. I don't think I'll ever be able to get behind invitational tournaments as a primary format for competition. | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
If they would just invite the 50 best, that would mean all koreans (who applied), few NA players and few zergs. So you can bet that`s not gonna happen. | ||
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
Hopefully the next invites will be a bit better. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
If that player list proves to be right then I have absolutely no problem with the invites. I think nearly everyone on that list deserves to be invited for individual reasons. There are a lot of underrated players in here who finally get the opportunity to prove themselves. It's not supposed to be another online-GSL with 90% koreans in it. Right now I'm way more psyched about the NASL then I am about any gomtv event. | ||
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applejuice
307 Posts
It's apparent that the "investor buddies / fountain pennies" are attempting to capture an audience that is as much interested in rivalries and drama, than good Starcraft play. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On March 23 2011 09:07 Gatsbi wrote: Why should there only be 1 tournament like the GSL? In BW we had OSL MSL, and sometimes WCG and GOM tourneys. Why do foreigners deserve the biggest prize pool in SC2? They are getting rewarded for not being the best? wtf? that is ridiculous. The "hurp derp we already have that tourney its called gsl" argument is absolutely retarded, the more competitions there are with top koreans, the harder the foreigners will want to compete to become a part of that. they will practice and train harder and eventually be able to compete with Koreans. Do you just want it to turn into BW again, completely segregated between foreigners and Koreans, or do you want to see your favorite players battling it out on the world's top stage? First, the GSL has a bigger prize pool for the year than the MLG, the NASL, and IGN's new SC 2 league COMBINED. The foreigners certainly do not have the biggest prize pool in SC 2 by a large margin. Second, there's a middle ground between inviting 40 Koreans and segregating the Koreans. You do not need to fill the scene with Koreans to involve them in the tournament. You can just invite a handful of their best. Third, what you're asking for is to have Koreans monopolize the most high-paying foreigner tournaments which will definitely NOT make foreigners more likely to train harder, but will rather nip the foreigner scene in the bud because you cannot go from zero to hero in one fell swoop. It's not possible to simply "try harder" - trying harder is not enough to compete with people who play the game professionally and are paid a living salary to do it. Every scene that's been at all successful was nurtured from the ground up. The reason Koreans were better in BW was because they had the ability to compete as salaried professionals in pro-houses as opposed to amateur online players which is what most foreign players are. NASL won't suddenly make foreigners salaried professionals, but it's a step in the right direction in terms of attracting interest in the foreigner scene and the foreigner players, who otherwise would have to move to Korea to compete in high-paying tournaments. NASL's favoring of domestic players is no different than GSL's favoring of domestic players - both are ultimately favored towards players in their own countries. It's just that NASL chooses to do this by invitation selection whereas GSL chooses to do it by virtue of residency. | ||
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Bart
494 Posts
On March 05 2011 05:10 Xeris wrote: Guys, nobody is being chosen based on their video... ~_~! We're choosing based on: 1) Results 2) Results 3) Results 4) Popularity There ya go! I think we can consider Cloud (represents Italy) and Cruncher (represents Arab nations) are invited due to them being the most prominent programers from their respective countries. Can also include Fenix (represents Peru) to an extent. Don't know about the others who have not shown much results in terms of tournament wins. Makes sense as they are trying to reach out to every fanbase. | ||
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
This project as been presented as a professionnally ran league of the top players in SC2, and im not even going to discuss the actual players that were selected, but as far as what I have currently seen, not much has been handled professionnally. Lets just take what happened tonight with the slip-up of releasing 15 players instead of 5 by mistakes, or not making any real announcement except saying theyll do so sometimes today and put it on the site. I really wish the quality is going to improve for what comes next because I really wish for this league to worth but im really not impressed with what was shown so far. | ||
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Diglett
600 Posts
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
I don't know much about Cruncher apart from his good but all-inish PvT and I don't know how good Catz is, but he definitely has style. I don't want to see too many Koreans in the league because I hate the latency discussion after each game. | ||
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shaunnn
Ireland1230 Posts
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gamefan15
50 Posts
sorry delete pls if possible | ||
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gamefan15
50 Posts
On March 23 2011 08:53 Gatsbi wrote: Why shouldn't it have 40 Koreans? Are they not 'The Best Players the World Has Seen'? I don't get it, it seems like you guys don't even want the best players, you just want a bunch of average (when being compared to Koreans) NA/Euros dont know why you even asking.  that would be the same like why dont we just take the number one team in the baseball league, split the players into 2 teams and watch them play all day. obviously people want to cheer for the team from their hometown or they have some other history with. they want to cheer for people that they have something in common and can identify themselves with. especially when you want to get new people into esports they need something that they can attach to and from that point get enthusiastic for the game. even when I was watching IEM and they showed other games I was ofc cheering for a countryman.. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On March 23 2011 09:25 Bart wrote: I think we can consider Cloud (represents Italy) and Cruncher (represents Arab nations) are invited due to them being the most prominent programers from their respective countries. Can also include Fenix (represents Peru) to an extent. Don't know about the others who have not shown much results in terms of tournament wins. ClouDMakes sense as they are trying to reach out to every fanbase. Why are people acting as if ClouD was a total scrub? He's in the top 25 on the ladder looking at all 3 ladders according to sc2ranks and in the top 30 of the TLPD On March 23 2011 09:28 Diglett wrote: anywhere easy to find the "results results results" of these players? some people on the list don't seem to have lots of results especially considering only 50 spots but i might be wrong. TeamLiquid. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players | ||
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Diglett
600 Posts
On March 23 2011 09:00 FliedLice wrote: We already have the tournament you're speaking of, check out www.gomtv.net. That's where most of the people go when they want to see 99% Koreans play. I like how people are all going on about "Owww foreign e-sports is getting huge" and then go "awww, why aren't there 90% koreans in that north american star league?!" I'd have way more fun watching a NASL full of foreign players with like 5-10 koreans than watching GSL... I never was as excited as last weekend watching TSL3 when it comes to sc2. two tournaments with the best players in the world is better than one. if i had a choice between watching one tournament with the best players and one tournament with average pros OR two tournaments with the best players I would choose the tournaments with the best players. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 23 2011 09:24 applejuice wrote: I like how GSL provides extra spots for foreigners, and a special foreigner house, while NASL denies the opportunity for Koreans to participate, save for ~3 (predicted). laff laff laff. I don't see how anyone who isn't a hypocrite can support this. It's apparent that the "investor buddies / fountain pennies" are attempting to capture an audience that is as much interested in rivalries and drama, than good Starcraft play. 3? I think we need to wait for all 50 names to be made public before you can make such claims. | ||
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