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Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
March 02 2011 19:59 GMT
#6181
On March 03 2011 04:55 Titorelli wrote:
I think another aspect is that you don't need English that much in Asia compared to Europe (the West in general). So there's no incentive to be able to speak and write English.

This is the major cause.
dde
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada796 Posts
March 02 2011 20:00 GMT
#6182
i missed the stream. was fenix there? because im shocked he got 0-2ed all games
yes
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
March 02 2011 20:00 GMT
#6183
6180 replies over 310 pages O_O truly an epic day of StarCraft 2
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3507 Posts
March 02 2011 20:00 GMT
#6184
On March 03 2011 05:00 dde wrote:
i missed the stream. was fenix there? because im shocked he got 0-2ed all games

yup
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Xaoz
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany146 Posts
March 02 2011 20:01 GMT
#6185
Fenix was there. He played really bad Atleast against Socke. Didn t see his other games.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 20:03:34
March 02 2011 20:01 GMT
#6186
On March 03 2011 05:00 dde wrote:
i missed the stream. was fenix there? because im shocked he got 0-2ed all games


All the replays is up there so you can watch for yourself. I missed his games myself so I can't give you more information other than that he was there.

Here is the link for replays
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season5/hanover/news/151972/
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 02 2011 20:01 GMT
#6187
On March 03 2011 04:47 azurespace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 04:29 Caphe wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:26 ThisIsEdg3 wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:22 Rayansaki wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:19 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:17 P0ckets wrote:
Does Squirtle not know how to speak English? I am almost positive that in Korea they teach their kids English in grade school. I mean my friend is over there doing just that.

Reading and speaking are two different things.


Europeans are in the same situation but they always respond in english. I think it's more of a case of most players being too shy. MC is the exception ofc! he doesn't afraid of anything.


Learning English is much easier for Europeans, many European languages have similar roots that just make them more natural. That's my take on it anyway :/

Yep, this. English is much easier to learn for Europeans, just like Chinese is much easier to learn if you are Korean.
Korean can speak good Chinese after just 1-2 years of learning, while most European have hard time to speak the basic after a few years in China.
Or just look at Tastless and Artosis, they barely speak Korean after 2-3 years living in Korea full time.


Actually, Chinese and Korean are not similar to each other. Their relationship is like between English and Latin. Korean language borrowed word roots from old chinese characters. but that's all. They have very very different grammar, sound system, and writing system.


Chinese : S+V+O
Korean : S+O+V, an agglutinative language


Grammar is easy to learn and not important when speaking. I live in China with alot of Koreans so I know, the vocabulary of Korean, Chinese, Japanese and Vietnamese is just so similar.
And Vocabulary is the most important part when you learn a new language.
Terran
AmaZing
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Nepal299 Posts
March 02 2011 20:02 GMT
#6188
well this looks like a korean 1-2-3.. Easy money... Unless Idra can pull off something awesome agaisnt squirtle. Which we know he can and hope idra can win ace in the finals :D
ಠ_ಠ
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
March 02 2011 20:03 GMT
#6189
On March 03 2011 05:00 dde wrote:
i missed the stream. was fenix there? because im shocked he got 0-2ed all games

Fenix played probably some of the worse games of his life, way worse than qxc.
the farm ends here
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
March 02 2011 20:03 GMT
#6190
On March 03 2011 05:02 AmaZing wrote:
well this looks like a korean 1-2-3.. Easy money... Unless Idra can pull off something awesome agaisnt squirtle. Which we know he can and hope idra can win ace in the finals :D

Playing against Ace is only the semi-finals.
drij
Profile Joined August 2010
China61 Posts
March 02 2011 20:04 GMT
#6191
loved to see moon take #1 today after everyone talking down on him/ex-wc3 pros~
ah, and loved to see moon playing
gg
"ThorZaIN... HOLDS" (Chill@TSL3)
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
March 02 2011 20:04 GMT
#6192
On March 03 2011 04:52 silentsaint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 04:25 hydraden wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:22 Rayansaki wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:19 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:17 P0ckets wrote:
Does Squirtle not know how to speak English? I am almost positive that in Korea they teach their kids English in grade school. I mean my friend is over there doing just that.

Reading and speaking are two different things.


Europeans are in the same situation but they always respond in english. I think it's more of a case of most players being too shy. MC is the exception ofc! he doesn't afraid of anything.


Language is too different. It is very hard for east Asians to learn English, look at Japanes, Korean, and Chinese. They all can not speak good English, even though they learnt English for 5-10 years.
For Europeans, it is much easy.


Japaneese are exceptionally good at english actually.. relative to the other asian nations.
Also, if you are somebody who will encounter a lot of people speaking english due to your job it should be quite normal to learn english.


I don't think Japanese are much better than Koreans in English overall. Japanese also have the one of the most difficult accents to understand when they're trying to speak English. "Mahgeudonarudo". Maybe you just ran into a lot of Japanese who received pretty extensive English educations for business purposes.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
March 02 2011 20:05 GMT
#6193
On March 03 2011 05:02 AmaZing wrote:
well this looks like a korean 1-2-3.. Easy money... Unless Idra can pull off something awesome agaisnt squirtle. Which we know he can and hope idra can win ace in the finals :D


Judging by Squirtles PvZ today, Idra won't have to do something extra ordinary to win. Of course I'm sure he can play better with a nights sleep and such things but I would still say Idra is the slight favourite.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
March 02 2011 20:06 GMT
#6194
On March 03 2011 05:03 Hemula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 05:02 AmaZing wrote:
well this looks like a korean 1-2-3.. Easy money... Unless Idra can pull off something awesome agaisnt squirtle. Which we know he can and hope idra can win ace in the finals :D

Playing against Ace is only the semi-finals.


No idra can face Ace earliest in the final:
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season5/hanover/sc2/playoffs/rankings/
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
March 02 2011 20:07 GMT
#6195
On March 03 2011 05:05 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 05:02 AmaZing wrote:
well this looks like a korean 1-2-3.. Easy money... Unless Idra can pull off something awesome agaisnt squirtle. Which we know he can and hope idra can win ace in the finals :D


Judging by Squirtles PvZ today, Idra won't have to do something extra ordinary to win. Of course I'm sure he can play better with a nights sleep and such things but I would still say Idra is the slight favourite.


More importantly are the matches tomorrow Bo3 or Bo5? I'm hoping and guessing Bo5...
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
silentsaint
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany540 Posts
March 02 2011 20:07 GMT
#6196
On March 03 2011 05:04 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 04:52 silentsaint wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:25 hydraden wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:22 Rayansaki wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:19 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:17 P0ckets wrote:
Does Squirtle not know how to speak English? I am almost positive that in Korea they teach their kids English in grade school. I mean my friend is over there doing just that.

Reading and speaking are two different things.


Europeans are in the same situation but they always respond in english. I think it's more of a case of most players being too shy. MC is the exception ofc! he doesn't afraid of anything.


Language is too different. It is very hard for east Asians to learn English, look at Japanes, Korean, and Chinese. They all can not speak good English, even though they learnt English for 5-10 years.
For Europeans, it is much easy.


Japaneese are exceptionally good at english actually.. relative to the other asian nations.
Also, if you are somebody who will encounter a lot of people speaking english due to your job it should be quite normal to learn english.


I don't think Japanese are much better than Koreans in English overall. Japanese also have the one of the most difficult accents to understand when they're trying to speak English. "Mahgeudonarudo". Maybe you just ran into a lot of Japanese who received pretty extensive English educations for business purposes.


well thats possible :-s comes with the job I guess. Its true that I shouldn't overgeneralize on that ^^
It really tied the room together.
Gliese
Profile Joined March 2011
2 Posts
March 02 2011 20:09 GMT
#6197
I will go out there and take a look at Squirtle PvZ, but I know that Idra had a hard time dealing with the Colossus-Pheonix Ball... Can't wait to see how he deals with it!

GO Idra! You single North American in the playoffs!
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
March 02 2011 20:10 GMT
#6198
On March 03 2011 05:04 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 04:52 silentsaint wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:25 hydraden wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:22 Rayansaki wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:19 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
On March 03 2011 04:17 P0ckets wrote:
Does Squirtle not know how to speak English? I am almost positive that in Korea they teach their kids English in grade school. I mean my friend is over there doing just that.

Reading and speaking are two different things.


Europeans are in the same situation but they always respond in english. I think it's more of a case of most players being too shy. MC is the exception ofc! he doesn't afraid of anything.


Language is too different. It is very hard for east Asians to learn English, look at Japanes, Korean, and Chinese. They all can not speak good English, even though they learnt English for 5-10 years.
For Europeans, it is much easy.


Japaneese are exceptionally good at english actually.. relative to the other asian nations.
Also, if you are somebody who will encounter a lot of people speaking english due to your job it should be quite normal to learn english.


I don't think Japanese are much better than Koreans in English overall. Japanese also have the one of the most difficult accents to understand when they're trying to speak English. "Mahgeudonarudo". Maybe you just ran into a lot of Japanese who received pretty extensive English educations for business purposes.


Western languages not only share the same alphabet, but same general sentence structure and pronunciation. Asian languages have different alphabets, but they speak sounds we never do, and never speak sounds we always do. Makes it inherently a lot harder for them than for Europeans to speak English.

(i think Europeans are exposed to it a lot more, and expected to be able to better at it too)
azurespace
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)39 Posts
March 02 2011 20:11 GMT
#6199
On March 03 2011 04:55 Titorelli wrote:
I think another aspect is that you don't need English that much in Asia compared to Europe (the West in general). So there's no incentive to be able to speak and write English.



Companies require job seekers to have the ability to understand and speak English better than they asked before. So the importance of English in Korea (and Japan, as far as I know) is increasing annually. But there are so many differences between English and their Language.


While one is spoken in the far west europe, the other is spoken in the far east. it's no wonder that Korean people are uncomfortable with English.
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
March 02 2011 20:15 GMT
#6200
On March 03 2011 05:07 Hrrrrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 05:05 nihlon wrote:
On March 03 2011 05:02 AmaZing wrote:
well this looks like a korean 1-2-3.. Easy money... Unless Idra can pull off something awesome agaisnt squirtle. Which we know he can and hope idra can win ace in the finals :D


Judging by Squirtles PvZ today, Idra won't have to do something extra ordinary to win. Of course I'm sure he can play better with a nights sleep and such things but I would still say Idra is the slight favourite.


More importantly are the matches tomorrow Bo3 or Bo5? I'm hoping and guessing Bo5...

Yep Bo5 it is
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