On March 01 2011 22:08 mTw|NarutO wrote: Protoss is just beyond ridiculous. I'm sorry to say that, but Phoenix buff is just not reasonable by Blizzard. And if you say its because MorroW commited to the roachrush, its not true. It can look absolutely the same even with hydras on the field, since you can just lift up everything and Hydras suffer even more from Phoenixdamage.
Im sorry to say, but Ace is just better than Morrow in this series. Nothing to do with Imbalances.
He raped IdrA the same way. With what was the Phoenix buff reasonable? Its a 200 HP (80 Shields, 120 HP) unit , fastest in the game with a very unique ability. I don't see the reason why you would buff its building time when it was insanely good to begin with.
Also the Colossus - the other tech tree - 350 HP Range 6 in the beginning, range 9 after with 30 AoE damage. Its just ridiculous and Blizzard just nerfed the wrong stuff with the Templar. (well it was the right nerf, but the nerf was too hard while leaving the Colossus WHICH DOES COUNTER EVERYTHING(!) better than its designed counters better than them untouched) -_-
Holy damn, you sure like whining. I always see you in these LR thread complaining about imbalances and why the german player didnt advance bla bla bla. Yeah, sure you obviously know better than Blizzard, who has 100 000 matches of data to go by to balance the game. Why don't you aply for a blizzard job?
lets say that Naruto is not the most popular player here in germany XD just ignore him
On March 01 2011 22:08 mTw|NarutO wrote: Protoss is just beyond ridiculous. I'm sorry to say that, but Phoenix buff is just not reasonable by Blizzard. And if you say its because MorroW commited to the roachrush, its not true. It can look absolutely the same even with hydras on the field, since you can just lift up everything and Hydras suffer even more from Phoenixdamage.
Sure it's true, it's exactly that to be honest.
Simple math proves it: One phoenix costs 150/100, one roach costs 75/25. This means, you spend 150/100 to be able to lift off a 75/25 unit. This is not cost-efficient at all. If you go for that in a "normal" game you have nowhere near the gateway-count to kill stuff, pure mass-roaches from a good 2-base economy would stomp you into the ground.
You are being ridiculous. You want to go into math? Lets go on the hardcounter map. We've seen Adelscott put enormous pressure just with gatewayunits. They become insanely strong with the abilities they have (forcefield, guardian shield) and due to the range of the roach its not really able to make full potential of its "costs".
-_- and if 50% of you army is lifted its worth 0. Well not exactly zero since you still have to kill them, but 50% of your army can be nullified within seconds.
What the...how can you bring Adelscott's gateway pressure build into this? This would be like me arguing that marauders are strong and in the second post "oh wait, banshees are strong too". Want to argue about phoenixes - well, then let's argue about phoenixes. Yes, 50% of your army can be NULLIFIED within seconds. That's the whole point, nullfied and NOT killed. When I invest more ressources into "nullfying" something without actually being able to kill it, it's NOT cost-efficient. Roaches are very effective vs gateway-units...no hard-counter, but effective nontheless. This means, if I invest more ressources into "nullifying" something, then the remaining part of my army will be smaller - cost-wise - than the not-nullified part of my opponent's army.
To cut the bizarre-word-play-crap: if I build mass-phoenixes for attacking purposes, in a straight-up game my gateway-units would get stomped into the ground by the remaining roaches. Of course now this game was no "straight-up" game, Morrow lacked the production capabilities due to his attempted all-in-mindplay.
EDIT: just realized I'm derailing the LR-thread with balance-talk, sorry, I'll stop; there won't be any further posts about this issue by me.
What happened to the no balance discussion in LR threads? If you think Phoenix is imbalanced, cry about them on the BNet forums instead. Especially Naruto who seems to get involved in anything and everything involving Protoss balance....
On March 01 2011 22:22 Piski wrote: How many players advance from one group?
Wondering the same. But i'd say 3 because there is 6 players in one group.
It's the top 3 per group. So for A so far, that would mean that Ace will be advancing for sure and QXC is all but eliminated. However, for the rest of the matches, the whole thing is still up in the air.
On March 01 2011 22:08 mTw|NarutO wrote: Protoss is just beyond ridiculous. I'm sorry to say that, but Phoenix buff is just not reasonable by Blizzard. And if you say its because MorroW commited to the roachrush, its not true. It can look absolutely the same even with hydras on the field, since you can just lift up everything and Hydras suffer even more from Phoenixdamage.
Im sorry to say, but Ace is just better than Morrow in this series. Nothing to do with Imbalances.
He raped IdrA the same way. With what was the Phoenix buff reasonable? Its a 200 HP (80 Shields, 120 HP) unit , fastest in the game with a very unique ability. I don't see the reason why you would buff its building time when it was insanely good to begin with.
Also the Colossus - the other tech tree - 350 HP Range 6 in the beginning, range 9 after with 30 AoE damage. Its just ridiculous and Blizzard just nerfed the wrong stuff with the Templar. (well it was the right nerf, but the nerf was too hard while leaving the Colossus WHICH DOES COUNTER EVERYTHING(!) better than its designed counters better than them untouched) -_-
Holy damn, you sure like whining. I always see you in these LR thread complaining about imbalances and why the german player didnt advance bla bla bla. Yeah, sure you obviously know better than Blizzard, who has 100 000 matches of data to go by to balance the game. Why don't you aply for a blizzard job?
lets say that Naruto is not the most popular player here in germany XD just ignore him
On March 01 2011 22:08 mTw|NarutO wrote: Protoss is just beyond ridiculous. I'm sorry to say that, but Phoenix buff is just not reasonable by Blizzard. And if you say its because MorroW commited to the roachrush, its not true. It can look absolutely the same even with hydras on the field, since you can just lift up everything and Hydras suffer even more from Phoenixdamage.
Im sorry to say, but Ace is just better than Morrow in this series. Nothing to do with Imbalances.
He raped IdrA the same way. With what was the Phoenix buff reasonable? Its a 200 HP (80 Shields, 120 HP) unit , fastest in the game with a very unique ability. I don't see the reason why you would buff its building time when it was insanely good to begin with.
Also the Colossus - the other tech tree - 350 HP Range 6 in the beginning, range 9 after with 30 AoE damage. Its just ridiculous and Blizzard just nerfed the wrong stuff with the Templar. (well it was the right nerf, but the nerf was too hard while leaving the Colossus WHICH DOES COUNTER EVERYTHING(!) better than its designed counters better than them untouched) -_-
Holy damn, you sure like whining. I always see you in these LR thread complaining about imbalances and why the german player didnt advance bla bla bla. Yeah, sure you obviously know better than Blizzard, who has 100 000 matches of data to go by to balance the game. Why don't you aply for a blizzard job?
Give me a reason for the Phoenix buff? Even the top Protoss players can't name it since it makes no sense. "Phoenix came to late against muta" ? No they were not too late. I don't need thousands of match data to realize that.
Also when do I whine that Germans do not advance? Please quote me for once or don't state ridiculous shit. Also I'm whining? I'm Terran - I couldn't care less about PvZ , I just find it sad that the balance is that bad in such circumstances.
Man, naruto i know you are a pro player but it seems like in every live report thread in recent history, you been crusading hard against Protoss, especially TvP. I thought you will stop after amulet is removed, but apparently not. In any case, it is getting annoying and please take it away somewhere and not in the LR thread. Blogs, strategy forum, bnet, where ever.
You can skip my posts. Also I think removing Khaldarin Amulett remove is a too strong nerf. I'd go for the Broodwar Style Amulett - but thats not just me I guess. I'd prefer nerfing the Colossus instead, since its as lots of players have mentioned the ultimative unit. Due to its insanely high damage, (AoE) health, range and ability to cliffwalk, its just better at countering _everything_ than the designed counters itself ;-)
I'm not whining here, I'm just saying I think Protoss got nerfed the wrong way and also got buffed in the wrong way. Where the hell is it a whine o.o
On March 01 2011 22:08 mTw|NarutO wrote: Protoss is just beyond ridiculous. I'm sorry to say that, but Phoenix buff is just not reasonable by Blizzard. And if you say its because MorroW commited to the roachrush, its not true. It can look absolutely the same even with hydras on the field, since you can just lift up everything and Hydras suffer even more from Phoenixdamage.
Im sorry to say, but Ace is just better than Morrow in this series. Nothing to do with Imbalances.
He raped IdrA the same way. With what was the Phoenix buff reasonable? Its a 200 HP (80 Shields, 120 HP) unit , fastest in the game with a very unique ability. I don't see the reason why you would buff its building time when it was insanely good to begin with.
Also the Colossus - the other tech tree - 350 HP Range 6 in the beginning, range 9 after with 30 AoE damage. Its just ridiculous and Blizzard just nerfed the wrong stuff with the Templar. (well it was the right nerf, but the nerf was too hard while leaving the Colossus WHICH DOES COUNTER EVERYTHING(!) better than its designed counters better than them untouched) -_-
Holy damn, you sure like whining. I always see you in these LR thread complaining about imbalances and why the german player didnt advance bla bla bla. Yeah, sure you obviously know better than Blizzard, who has 100 000 matches of data to go by to balance the game. Why don't you aply for a blizzard job?
Give me a reason for the Phoenix buff? Even the top Protoss players can't name it since it makes no sense. "Phoenix came to late against muta" ? No they were not too late. I don't need thousands of match data to realize that.
Also when do I whine that Germans do not advance? Please quote me for once or don't state ridiculous shit. Also I'm whining? I'm Terran - I couldn't care less about PvZ , I just find it sad that the balance is that bad in such circumstances.
Phoenix were underused, thats why they buffed it, rightly so also. Its a big investment going phoenix from 2 stargate.
On March 01 2011 22:08 mTw|NarutO wrote: Protoss is just beyond ridiculous. I'm sorry to say that, but Phoenix buff is just not reasonable by Blizzard. And if you say its because MorroW commited to the roachrush, its not true. It can look absolutely the same even with hydras on the field, since you can just lift up everything and Hydras suffer even more from Phoenixdamage.
Im sorry to say, but Ace is just better than Morrow in this series. Nothing to do with Imbalances.
He raped IdrA the same way. With what was the Phoenix buff reasonable? Its a 200 HP (80 Shields, 120 HP) unit , fastest in the game with a very unique ability. I don't see the reason why you would buff its building time when it was insanely good to begin with.
Also the Colossus - the other tech tree - 350 HP Range 6 in the beginning, range 9 after with 30 AoE damage. Its just ridiculous and Blizzard just nerfed the wrong stuff with the Templar. (well it was the right nerf, but the nerf was too hard while leaving the Colossus WHICH DOES COUNTER EVERYTHING(!) better than its designed counters better than them untouched) -_-
Holy damn, you sure like whining. I always see you in these LR thread complaining about imbalances and why the german player didnt advance bla bla bla. Yeah, sure you obviously know better than Blizzard, who has 100 000 matches of data to go by to balance the game. Why don't you aply for a blizzard job?
He is not whining but stating his opinion, and it is widely accepted that PvZ is broken! even Protoss programers say it (Hell even Ace himself said it, check Artotsis interview!), so ......
Plus blizzard makes mistakes and are constantly balancing the game. look at the amount of times they have been tinkering with the bunker alone..
My point being: Stop talking about balance all together. its useless. Focus on improving your own game because if you're losing, it was YOU who did something wrong, not anything else. Watch the replay, analyze what you did wrong, what could've been done differently etc. Being stuck in this "Pheonixes are just too good" mentality does nothing but hurt you in improving.
On March 01 2011 22:24 Nimic wrote: Does the HD stream keep buffering for anyone else? It isn't constantly, but still often enough to make it quite annoying to watch.
Is on your end, been fine for me since the first game of the day.
EPT
