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On March 01 2011 22:14 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 22:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Protoss is just beyond ridiculous. I'm sorry to say that, but Phoenix buff is just not reasonable by Blizzard. And if you say its because MorroW commited to the roachrush, its not true. It can look absolutely the same even with hydras on the field, since you can just lift up everything and Hydras suffer even more from Phoenixdamage. Sure it's true, it's exactly that to be honest. Simple math proves it: One phoenix costs 150/100, one roach costs 75/25. This means, you spend 150/100 to be able to lift off a 75/25 unit. This is not cost-efficient at all. If you go for that in a "normal" game you have nowhere near the gateway-count to kill stuff, pure mass-roaches from a good 2-base economy would stomp you into the ground.
You are being ridiculous. You want to go into math? Lets go on the hardcounter map. We've seen Adelscott put enormous pressure just with gatewayunits. They become insanely strong with the abilities they have (forcefield, guardian shield) and due to the range of the roach its not really able to make full potential of its "costs".
-_- and if 50% of you army is lifted its worth 0. Well not exactly zero since you still have to kill them, but 50% of your army can be nullified within seconds.
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On March 01 2011 22:12 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 22:10 LittLeD wrote:On March 01 2011 22:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Protoss is just beyond ridiculous. I'm sorry to say that, but Phoenix buff is just not reasonable by Blizzard. And if you say its because MorroW commited to the roachrush, its not true. It can look absolutely the same even with hydras on the field, since you can just lift up everything and Hydras suffer even more from Phoenixdamage. Im sorry to say, but Ace is just better than Morrow in this series. Nothing to do with Imbalances. He raped IdrA the same way. With what was the Phoenix buff reasonable? Its a 200 HP (80 Shields, 120 HP) unit , fastest in the game with a very unique ability. I don't see the reason why you would buff its building time when it was insanely good to begin with. Also the Colossus - the other tech tree - 350 HP Range 6 in the beginning, range 9 after with 30 AoE damage. Its just ridiculous and Blizzard just nerfed the wrong stuff with the Templar. (well it was the right nerf, but the nerf was too hard while leaving the Colossus WHICH DOES COUNTER EVERYTHING(!) better than its designed counters better than them untouched) -_-
dont bother argueing with reason on tl.net sir bronze players rule here
Obviously the fastest unit in the game with 5 sec build time that shoots 360 degrees that can lift up almost everything, denies every scout, denies every option to harras and gives you 100% maphack for just 150/100 sounds prety fair to me.
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On March 01 2011 22:12 scottyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 22:11 Ultramus wrote:
Pretty garbage that phoenix counter hydras. Wish my corrupters could pick up units. Wow what the hell do you do against that? Pheonix don't counter hydras. :/ Morrow only ever engaged the phoenix with 4-7 hydras.
How do they not, it picks up the hydra, which can now not shoot, and it does bonus damage to light, which the hydra is, has over twice the health, and builds faster with chrono boost.
Also has the benefit of being insanely fast, harassing abilities, and also countering mutas too.
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On March 01 2011 22:17 willigan wrote:
ace so phat
he looks like a incredibly avg 30+ korean male. But of course he's quite young.
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hydras are good v phoenix, honestly i think morrow would've faired better if he hadnt expanded whilst he was rushing. if you are gonna all-in then commit.
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On March 01 2011 22:17 nemahsys wrote:
tlo's morrow interview in a nutshell:
"so morrow, your opening sucked and you seemed unfamiliar with his totally baller korean style. Keeping that in mind, how else do you think you fucked this game up?"
big ups to morrow though, nice try man!
HAHAH. that is totally true. You better prepare yourself if you are going to get interviewed at IEM.
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it was out of sytnc for a bit but just refresh, worked for me
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On March 01 2011 22:14 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 22:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Protoss is just beyond ridiculous. I'm sorry to say that, but Phoenix buff is just not reasonable by Blizzard. And if you say its because MorroW commited to the roachrush, its not true. It can look absolutely the same even with hydras on the field, since you can just lift up everything and Hydras suffer even more from Phoenixdamage. Sure it's true, it's exactly that to be honest. Simple math proves it: One phoenix costs 150/100, one roach costs 75/25. This means, you spend 150/100 to be able to lift off a 75/25 unit. This is not cost-efficient at all. If you go for that in a "normal" game you have nowhere near the gateway-count to kill stuff, pure mass-roaches from a good 2-base economy would stomp you into the ground.
What? First of all, you can't even compare costs like that between races. Second, I fail to see how it's not "cost-efficient." It's not as if your phoenix dies after neutralizing the Roach, and the Roach still needs to be killed. Anyways, if a 150/100 unit can fully neutralize a 75/25 unit without losing anything, it's quite cost efficient. But that's not even the case and there are so many variables.
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TLO doing really good job interviewing 
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Is this a german korean guy translating into english? o.O
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On March 01 2011 22:17 Necosarius wrote:
Why isn't TLO playing?
Also are there only two groups
IEM qualification system is very long and if you move to Korea you aren't eligible anymore except for the Korean spots.
LOL at this super long question for Ace that's never getting through in translation.
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Give the quake live trophy to TLO already, lets get done with it.
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On March 01 2011 22:17 awha wrote:
im amazed how good TLO is, so professional
Would like someone to ask him on air about that facebook message about rooms in sweden
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Why is'nt TLO playing btw?
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TLO explaining the game to ACE. Ace, you n00b.
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I love TLO as an interviewer. There was a slight edge to his words when interviewing Morrow, almost poking his play-style, whether intentional or not. You tell em' TLO, you tell em'.
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On March 01 2011 22:17 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 22:12 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On March 01 2011 22:09 busbarn wrote:
Sad to see a korean losing in code A first round arriving in europe, dominating everyone Code A this season is about as good as Code S as you used to know it. It iwll take a little bit of time for Code A and S to balance out and have the right players in the right place. True! Now when Nestea, MVP, Boxer, Fruitdealer will play up/down matches their is some time before code A can transfer their best players to code S.
Only surprising names on there is Nestea and MVP, which whom I think will crush throw their matches and be back in form next season.
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hehe a korean talking english with a german accent. you dont hear that very often. SK-reis has been helping out on events for year, nice guy
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TLO is asking some really hard-hitting questions, amazing!
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On March 01 2011 22:18 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 22:17 Necosarius wrote:
Why isn't TLO playing?
Also are there only two groups IEM qualification system is very long and if you move to Korea you aren't eligible anymore except for the Korean spots. LOL at this super long question for Ace that's never getting through in translation.
did idra get an invite or did he qualify through gamescon?
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