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On February 27 2011 11:59 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 11:56 DiaBoLuS wrote:On February 27 2011 11:52 rift wrote:On February 27 2011 11:45 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2011 11:43 hifriend wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure qualifying for TSL3 has been quite a bit harder than qualifying for GSL ever was. duh. Its hard to play bo1's and not lose to some stupid cheese/all in for most of the tournament and then going into bo3's and all that. Its alot harder for sure. The level of competition is much higher in GSL prelims  overrating gsl. put the top 10 of europe into gsl and you would be surprised about the gsl results - the whole sc2-world would be. Many of those top foreigner players have been trying to qualify for months for code S, there's only one there. I think you'd be surprised at how hard it must be to qualify for the GSL, it was like a 3000 player qualifier for like.. Code B lol.
Ok who are you talking about? Haypro, Jinro, Ret, Incontrol and all the no-names actually didn't win anything in Europe/US before they went to Korea. The only real "top" player who went to Korea was Huk (and maybe Kiwikaki) and he (they) only tried once (with jet lag).
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On February 27 2011 12:14 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 11:59 mordk wrote:On February 27 2011 11:56 DiaBoLuS wrote:On February 27 2011 11:52 rift wrote:On February 27 2011 11:45 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2011 11:43 hifriend wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure qualifying for TSL3 has been quite a bit harder than qualifying for GSL ever was. duh. Its hard to play bo1's and not lose to some stupid cheese/all in for most of the tournament and then going into bo3's and all that. Its alot harder for sure. The level of competition is much higher in GSL prelims overrating gsl. put the top 10 of europe into gsl and you would be surprised about the gsl results - the whole sc2-world would be. Many of those top foreigner players have been trying to qualify for months for code S, there's only one there. I think you'd be surprised at how hard it must be to qualify for the GSL, it was like a 3000 player qualifier for like.. Code B lol. Ok who are you talking about? Haypro, Jinro, Ret, Incontrol and all the no-names actually didn't win anything in Europe/US before they went to Korea. The only real "top" player who went to Korea was Huk (and maybe Kiwikaki) and he (they) only tried once (with jet lag).
Hahahah yea.. ret is so bad at this game he came back for a single tournament and ripped off assembly without even trying. Out of the whole foreigner players that are not yet on korea I'd say only white-ra has any chances of reaching code S. A few others might reach code A, maybe kas, select or sjow, but that's about it. And that's code A.
The main reason for this is not sheer skill, but rather lack of consistency, the fact that so many unknown players qualified for TSL3 shows how inconsistent top US/EU players are.
@Below poster: Sure, I'm not complaining, I'm just saying it wouldn't happen if top players were more consistent in their results.
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On February 27 2011 12:14 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 11:59 mordk wrote:On February 27 2011 11:56 DiaBoLuS wrote:On February 27 2011 11:52 rift wrote:On February 27 2011 11:45 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2011 11:43 hifriend wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure qualifying for TSL3 has been quite a bit harder than qualifying for GSL ever was. duh. Its hard to play bo1's and not lose to some stupid cheese/all in for most of the tournament and then going into bo3's and all that. Its alot harder for sure. The level of competition is much higher in GSL prelims overrating gsl. put the top 10 of europe into gsl and you would be surprised about the gsl results - the whole sc2-world would be. Many of those top foreigner players have been trying to qualify for months for code S, there's only one there. I think you'd be surprised at how hard it must be to qualify for the GSL, it was like a 3000 player qualifier for like.. Code B lol. Ok who are you talking about? Haypro, Jinro, Ret, Incontrol and all the no-names actually didn't win anything in Europe/US before they went to Korea. The only real "top" player who went to Korea was Huk (and maybe Kiwikaki) and he (they) only tried once (with jet lag).
Did you just call Haypro,Ret and iNcontroL no names?
wow...just wow...
@above poster:TSL has always been a tournaments for no names to shine and make a name for themselves.
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On February 27 2011 12:20 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:14 vdale wrote:On February 27 2011 11:59 mordk wrote:On February 27 2011 11:56 DiaBoLuS wrote:On February 27 2011 11:52 rift wrote:On February 27 2011 11:45 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2011 11:43 hifriend wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure qualifying for TSL3 has been quite a bit harder than qualifying for GSL ever was. duh. Its hard to play bo1's and not lose to some stupid cheese/all in for most of the tournament and then going into bo3's and all that. Its alot harder for sure. The level of competition is much higher in GSL prelims overrating gsl. put the top 10 of europe into gsl and you would be surprised about the gsl results - the whole sc2-world would be. Many of those top foreigner players have been trying to qualify for months for code S, there's only one there. I think you'd be surprised at how hard it must be to qualify for the GSL, it was like a 3000 player qualifier for like.. Code B lol. Ok who are you talking about? Haypro, Jinro, Ret, Incontrol and all the no-names actually didn't win anything in Europe/US before they went to Korea. The only real "top" player who went to Korea was Huk (and maybe Kiwikaki) and he (they) only tried once (with jet lag). Did you just call Haypro,Ret and iNcontroL no names? wow...just wow...
He didn't call them no names if you read it carefully. He's probably referring to the Spades or cArns or Carefoots of the world who are decent players in their own right but haven't accomplished much in their respective servers before travelling all the way to Korea and not making it.
Not every foreigner who attempts to qualify for the GSL should be considered as a top foreign representative.
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On February 27 2011 12:14 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 11:59 mordk wrote:On February 27 2011 11:56 DiaBoLuS wrote:On February 27 2011 11:52 rift wrote:On February 27 2011 11:45 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2011 11:43 hifriend wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure qualifying for TSL3 has been quite a bit harder than qualifying for GSL ever was. duh. Its hard to play bo1's and not lose to some stupid cheese/all in for most of the tournament and then going into bo3's and all that. Its alot harder for sure. The level of competition is much higher in GSL prelims overrating gsl. put the top 10 of europe into gsl and you would be surprised about the gsl results - the whole sc2-world would be. Many of those top foreigner players have been trying to qualify for months for code S, there's only one there. I think you'd be surprised at how hard it must be to qualify for the GSL, it was like a 3000 player qualifier for like.. Code B lol. Ok who are you talking about? Haypro, Jinro, Ret, Incontrol and all the no-names actually didn't win anything in Europe/US before they went to Korea. The only real "top" player who went to Korea was Huk (and maybe Kiwikaki) and he (they) only tried once (with jet lag).
Jinro won MLG Dallas before he went to Korea.
edit: I might be wrong on this. I believe Dallas was in November and Jinro was trying to qualify for GSL since the beginning (October) and didn't make the cut until Season 3 (December).
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On February 27 2011 12:20 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:14 vdale wrote:On February 27 2011 11:59 mordk wrote:On February 27 2011 11:56 DiaBoLuS wrote:On February 27 2011 11:52 rift wrote:On February 27 2011 11:45 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2011 11:43 hifriend wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure qualifying for TSL3 has been quite a bit harder than qualifying for GSL ever was. duh. Its hard to play bo1's and not lose to some stupid cheese/all in for most of the tournament and then going into bo3's and all that. Its alot harder for sure. The level of competition is much higher in GSL prelims overrating gsl. put the top 10 of europe into gsl and you would be surprised about the gsl results - the whole sc2-world would be. Many of those top foreigner players have been trying to qualify for months for code S, there's only one there. I think you'd be surprised at how hard it must be to qualify for the GSL, it was like a 3000 player qualifier for like.. Code B lol. Ok who are you talking about? Haypro, Jinro, Ret, Incontrol and all the no-names actually didn't win anything in Europe/US before they went to Korea. The only real "top" player who went to Korea was Huk (and maybe Kiwikaki) and he (they) only tried once (with jet lag). Did you just call Haypro,Ret and iNcontroL no names? wow...just wow... @above poster:TSL has always been a tournaments for no names to shine and make a name for themselves.
acutally, haypro was not even a top 5 zerg in eu and wasnt winning anything - not even being near it.
Incontrol, Torch n/c, both semi-good even in NA [lolol].
Ret is a monster, for sure, he just wanst good in EU cause he started with Sc2 very late. if he wouldve stayed in EU he would be top 3 zerg with dimaga and morrow anyway.
Jinro was a good, but not even a Top EU-terran before going to Korea. Ofc, you cant blame him for training more than the EU's now, but it just shows, how great top-lvl "foreigners" would do with korean training standards - and even without TBH.
€: to the guy over me:
Jinro was long time in korea BEFORE mlg dallas, just like tlo was. he just didnt perform well in GSL before.
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No clue how you can name 5 Zergs better than Haypro in the period he was in Europe for. Haypro was #1 ELO for a part of the Beta and winning tournaments left and right in that period. Only Zerg at his level was Dimaga. Nobody in Europe was anywhere near these two. Get your facts right.
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On February 27 2011 12:37 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:20 BLinD-RawR wrote:On February 27 2011 12:14 vdale wrote:On February 27 2011 11:59 mordk wrote:On February 27 2011 11:56 DiaBoLuS wrote:On February 27 2011 11:52 rift wrote:On February 27 2011 11:45 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2011 11:43 hifriend wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure qualifying for TSL3 has been quite a bit harder than qualifying for GSL ever was. duh. Its hard to play bo1's and not lose to some stupid cheese/all in for most of the tournament and then going into bo3's and all that. Its alot harder for sure. The level of competition is much higher in GSL prelims overrating gsl. put the top 10 of europe into gsl and you would be surprised about the gsl results - the whole sc2-world would be. Many of those top foreigner players have been trying to qualify for months for code S, there's only one there. I think you'd be surprised at how hard it must be to qualify for the GSL, it was like a 3000 player qualifier for like.. Code B lol. Ok who are you talking about? Haypro, Jinro, Ret, Incontrol and all the no-names actually didn't win anything in Europe/US before they went to Korea. The only real "top" player who went to Korea was Huk (and maybe Kiwikaki) and he (they) only tried once (with jet lag). Did you just call Haypro,Ret and iNcontroL no names? wow...just wow... @above poster:TSL has always been a tournaments for no names to shine and make a name for themselves. acutally, haypro was not even a top 5 zerg in eu and wasnt winning anything - not even being near it. Incontrol, Torch n/c, both semi-good even in NA [lolol]. Ret is a monster, for sure, he just wanst good in EU cause he started with Sc2 very late. if he wouldve stayed in EU he would be top 3 zerg with dimaga and morrow anyway. Jinro was a good, but not even a Top EU-terran before going to Korea. Ofc, you cant blame him for training more than the EU's now, but it just shows, how great top-lvl "foreigners" would do with korean training standards - and even without TBH. €: to the guy over me: Jinro was long time in korea BEFORE mlg dallas, just like tlo was. he just didnt perform well in GSL before.
Like I said in my edit, I got my time line wrong. No need to yell. Calm down. It's just Starcraft.
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On February 27 2011 12:36 MrSexington wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:14 vdale wrote:On February 27 2011 11:59 mordk wrote:On February 27 2011 11:56 DiaBoLuS wrote:On February 27 2011 11:52 rift wrote:On February 27 2011 11:45 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2011 11:43 hifriend wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure qualifying for TSL3 has been quite a bit harder than qualifying for GSL ever was. duh. Its hard to play bo1's and not lose to some stupid cheese/all in for most of the tournament and then going into bo3's and all that. Its alot harder for sure. The level of competition is much higher in GSL prelims overrating gsl. put the top 10 of europe into gsl and you would be surprised about the gsl results - the whole sc2-world would be. Many of those top foreigner players have been trying to qualify for months for code S, there's only one there. I think you'd be surprised at how hard it must be to qualify for the GSL, it was like a 3000 player qualifier for like.. Code B lol. Ok who are you talking about? Haypro, Jinro, Ret, Incontrol and all the no-names actually didn't win anything in Europe/US before they went to Korea. The only real "top" player who went to Korea was Huk (and maybe Kiwikaki) and he (they) only tried once (with jet lag). Jinro won MLG Dallas before he went to Korea. edit: I might be wrong on this. I believe Dallas was in November and Jinro was trying to qualify for Code A since the beginning (October) and didn't make the cut until Season 3.
Jinro was in korea before dallas, he came to the US with the rest of the Liquid players for MLG then after he won and went back to korea he has been on his awesome GSL run
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Just a small note.. in the GCPL matches, haypro's record is 4-1 or something like that. He's by no means a pushover or a bad player, playing in the GSL is just hard.
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On February 27 2011 12:46 mordk wrote:
Just a small note.. in the GCPL matches, haypro's record is 4-1 or something like that. He's by no means a pushover or a bad player, playing in the GSL is just hard.
We are talking about the time BEFORE they went to Korea.
Maybe I was wrong saying that Haypro didn't win anything as Nazgul pointed out, but I think that he wasn't at Dimaga's level at the time (more at the level of zpux, mardow and orly in the Beta).
And no, I'm not saying that Haypro, ret and Incontrol are no-names.
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On February 27 2011 11:56 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 11:52 rift wrote:On February 27 2011 11:45 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2011 11:43 hifriend wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure qualifying for TSL3 has been quite a bit harder than qualifying for GSL ever was. duh. Its hard to play bo1's and not lose to some stupid cheese/all in for most of the tournament and then going into bo3's and all that. Its alot harder for sure. The level of competition is much higher in GSL prelims overrating gsl. put the top 10 of europe into gsl and you would be surprised about the gsl results - the whole sc2-world would be.
Overrating GSL? Anyone who believes that GSL is not by far the most competitive league is either ignorant or in denial.
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Can we get back to how awesome Hasuobs/TSL is now please? Thank you...
I missed the bracket announcement, what did they say?
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oh, poor strelok, he was one round away from suerly qualifying ;( i hope he still menages
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On February 27 2011 18:15 nRoot wrote:
Can we get back to how awesome Hasuobs/TSL is now please? Thank you...
I missed the bracket announcement, what did they say?
You didn't miss anything, bracket will be announced next week after the tiebreaker is played between SeleCt and Strelok.
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Gratz Hasu! Deutsche 'toss represent! You were on fire in that tournament.
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Hopefully strelok will make it
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On February 27 2011 18:26 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 18:15 nRoot wrote:
Can we get back to how awesome Hasuobs/TSL is now please? Thank you...
I missed the bracket announcement, what did they say? You didn't miss anything, bracket will be announced next week after the tiebreaker is played between SeleCt and Strelok.
Ok, so they announced the announcement at least 
I'm really curious how the Korean invitees are placed in the bracket
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will all the replays of the tournament be uploaded?
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