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This thread is for commenting on the games. Not for balance discussions and not for commentator bashing.
Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
February 23 2011 11:13 GMT
#1481
On February 23 2011 20:12 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 20:12 Dinosaur wrote:
On February 23 2011 20:06 Plexa wrote:
On February 23 2011 20:05 hugman wrote:
If you watched game 2 you should be able to recognize that Ganzi is a pretty sick terran. He looked a lot more impressive than some of the Code-S terrans IMO.

Ganzi could very well take this tour.


I agree. I don't like the code A format. There should be group stages.

Double elim gogogo


With extended series!
Serious Business
DrOwnageYO
Profile Joined February 2011
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 11:14:05
February 23 2011 11:13 GMT
#1482
I didnt watch the first match, and the beginning of the second match from Haypros matches. But from what i saw, he seemed to have forgotten how unbelievably and arguably imbalanced marines are. He expanded to questionable spots, which got punished continually by marine drops. Seems like every time i watch a TvZ i see marines being a MAJOR part of a Terran win, Its a real hard spot to be in when a marine tank push is at your front door, while at the sametime you have 2 bases getting sniped by an 8 marine drop that is way too easy to execute and way too hard cost-effectively protect against it. The counter to the marines.. the baneling is nullified by tanks and Zerg doesnt really have an effective answer to that endless marine tank onslaught.

Terran was obviously well prepared for this map, and showed really good harass. When you get picked apart like that in a tourney after you prepared really hard must suck, really hard to see haypro go out in that fashion.
Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
February 23 2011 11:13 GMT
#1483
drop is being researched as well as a bling nest!!!! i'm so excited
dont ever say that
hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
February 23 2011 11:13 GMT
#1484
On February 23 2011 20:09 netherDrake wrote:
Tasteless is masters in Korea?

Is he trolling us?


He is a pro SC1 gamer before. He is pretty good in SC2 also. What do you think?
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 23 2011 11:13 GMT
#1485
On February 23 2011 20:12 willz22912 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 20:09 Plexa wrote:
On February 23 2011 20:06 Omnipresent wrote:
On February 23 2011 20:00 ct2299 wrote:
Is HayPro going to leave Korea yet? After 5 GSLs I think there may be better chances elsewhere.

Everyone says how the people here make excuses for IdrA whereas when it's HayPro it's his fault. Well IdrA HAS gotten further, MUCH further. After not qualifying/getting kicked out at RO64 and not making it when given a ticket to Code A, it's hard to avoid the elephant in the room.

It's stressful no doubt to play these games, but that's no excuse for losing so many hatcheries and not cancelling.

Also, while people say Ganzi's drops were in vain, he was sacrificing them to get HayPro's mutas and stuff out of position so he could snipe his hatcheries.

8 marines or whatever + medivac < losing hatchery + delaying income substantially.
Every time Ganzi did this, it was like someone stabbing the same cut again and again making it deeper, while sacrificing the same thing. Losing those units doesn't hurt too much but the effect of denying bases compounds substantially.

While I don't think it's really our business to tell players where they should and should not play, I have to sort of agree. Haypro might be pretty solid, but he's been struggling to compete in Korea. Conversely, he could really raise the overall level of play in something like the NASL. He's close to being Code A quality, and there aren't too many foreign players who can say that.

Well let's look at Haypros time in Korea shall we?
- flies in 3 days before GSL2 prelims and is incredibly sick - makes it to the final round
- qualifies for GSL3 but loses to bitbybit's cheese in the Ro64.
- Can't participate in GSL4 because he's not in Code A because of BBB
- Gets invited to Code A for GSL5 and gets one of the strongest players in the tournament first round

He's quite possibly the most unlucky player to go to korea.


I definitely agree with your points Plexa, Haypro has definitely gotten some bad luck in his tournies. I do have a question though : Was there a reason Haypro didn't leave Korea for Assembly even though Huk/Ret went? Or was he just not invited? I feel like if Haypro is hitting a roadblock in essentially the hardest SC2 tournament, he might consider choosing a different theater to have more success. IE: Even Idra is leaving GSL to return to the US when he was a Code S GSL player.
He didn't go to assembly because he went to Europe in January for Pokeridol and Homestroy Cup
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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
February 23 2011 11:13 GMT
#1486
On February 23 2011 20:09 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 20:06 Omnipresent wrote:
On February 23 2011 20:00 ct2299 wrote:
Is HayPro going to leave Korea yet? After 5 GSLs I think there may be better chances elsewhere.

Everyone says how the people here make excuses for IdrA whereas when it's HayPro it's his fault. Well IdrA HAS gotten further, MUCH further. After not qualifying/getting kicked out at RO64 and not making it when given a ticket to Code A, it's hard to avoid the elephant in the room.

It's stressful no doubt to play these games, but that's no excuse for losing so many hatcheries and not cancelling.

Also, while people say Ganzi's drops were in vain, he was sacrificing them to get HayPro's mutas and stuff out of position so he could snipe his hatcheries.

8 marines or whatever + medivac < losing hatchery + delaying income substantially.
Every time Ganzi did this, it was like someone stabbing the same cut again and again making it deeper, while sacrificing the same thing. Losing those units doesn't hurt too much but the effect of denying bases compounds substantially.

While I don't think it's really our business to tell players where they should and should not play, I have to sort of agree. Haypro might be pretty solid, but he's been struggling to compete in Korea. Conversely, he could really raise the overall level of play in something like the NASL. He's close to being Code A quality, and there aren't too many foreign players who can say that.

Well let's look at Haypros time in Korea shall we?
- flies in 3 days before GSL2 prelims and is incredibly sick - makes it to the final round
- qualifies for GSL3 but loses to bitbybit's cheese in the Ro64.
- Can't participate in GSL4 because he's not in Code A because of BBB
- Gets invited to Code A for GSL5 and gets one of the strongest players in the tournament first round

He's quite possibly the most unlucky player to go to korea.

That's true of course. But I still feel like there's *something* lacking in haypro's play. He doesn't really have a great record in the foreigner events he participated in either.
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
February 23 2011 11:13 GMT
#1487
On February 23 2011 20:11 Makenshi wrote:
I love how now that Tasteless has to play the analytical caster, he just goes right back into SC1 casting mode instead of his regular flimsy mode, i've missed you serious Tasteless! You're the man!


Too true! Planted questions for Artosis? I never doubted you for a second, Tasteless.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
February 23 2011 11:13 GMT
#1488
On February 23 2011 20:07 ccHaZaRd wrote:
moonglade got so lucky on his draw lol he gets to face some shitty zenex terran and haypro has to face ganzi the best terran in code a


Do you even know who the guy glade is playing is? He is probably one of the favourites for code A....... Silly boy.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 11:14:23
February 23 2011 11:13 GMT
#1489
On February 23 2011 20:12 willz22912 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 20:09 Plexa wrote:
On February 23 2011 20:06 Omnipresent wrote:
On February 23 2011 20:00 ct2299 wrote:
Is HayPro going to leave Korea yet? After 5 GSLs I think there may be better chances elsewhere.

Everyone says how the people here make excuses for IdrA whereas when it's HayPro it's his fault. Well IdrA HAS gotten further, MUCH further. After not qualifying/getting kicked out at RO64 and not making it when given a ticket to Code A, it's hard to avoid the elephant in the room.

It's stressful no doubt to play these games, but that's no excuse for losing so many hatcheries and not cancelling.

Also, while people say Ganzi's drops were in vain, he was sacrificing them to get HayPro's mutas and stuff out of position so he could snipe his hatcheries.

8 marines or whatever + medivac < losing hatchery + delaying income substantially.
Every time Ganzi did this, it was like someone stabbing the same cut again and again making it deeper, while sacrificing the same thing. Losing those units doesn't hurt too much but the effect of denying bases compounds substantially.

While I don't think it's really our business to tell players where they should and should not play, I have to sort of agree. Haypro might be pretty solid, but he's been struggling to compete in Korea. Conversely, he could really raise the overall level of play in something like the NASL. He's close to being Code A quality, and there aren't too many foreign players who can say that.

Well let's look at Haypros time in Korea shall we?
- flies in 3 days before GSL2 prelims and is incredibly sick - makes it to the final round
- qualifies for GSL3 but loses to bitbybit's cheese in the Ro64.
- Can't participate in GSL4 because he's not in Code A because of BBB
- Gets invited to Code A for GSL5 and gets one of the strongest players in the tournament first round

He's quite possibly the most unlucky player to go to korea.


I definitely agree with your points Plexa, Haypro has definitely gotten some bad luck in his tournies. I do have a question though : Was there a reason Haypro didn't leave Korea for Assembly even though Huk/Ret went? Or was he just not invited? I feel like if Haypro is hitting a roadblock in essentially the hardest SC2 tournament, he might consider choosing a different theater to have more success. IE: Even Idra is leaving GSL to return to the US when he was a Code S GSL player.

Probably because he went to Europe a few weeks earlier for the tourney in England and for the Homestory Cup aka Protosstastic Cup.

Edit: I am too slow.
Ultramus
Profile Joined June 2010
United States319 Posts
February 23 2011 11:14 GMT
#1490
Screw all the people saying Haypro isn't good. That dude is probably 100x the player anyone saying he's bad is. Fact is you have to be INSANELY good to win TvZ right now against really good Terrans.

I don't understand this "Haypro made more mistakes" Bullshit, how many of Ganzi's medivacs die without doing any damage in both games? Problem is terran can siege up at every zerg expo and you can't engage it cost effectively, it's pretty frustrating when the only way you can kill their army is if it's unseiged and on creep, and how often do we see that happen? Also letting those hatches die isn't a mistake at all, he HAS to get those bases up, it's worth the risk of losing it at that point to see if you can hold the expansion. Whereas a PF with turrets is basically incapable of being destroyed, factor in auto-repair?? It's just ludicrous.

Infestors are garbage and that's hopping the terran doesn't decide to get AN ghost, scan your army and immediately EMP every infestor you have, we saw it happen to Zenio. There is no recourse that zerg has to this. It makes the game frustrating to watch as an observer, there was no point in there where ganzi was in trouble even after losing his whole army NUMEROUS times.

Don't shit on Haydar, he played that game well, and definitely is a GREAT player.
Baking is like science for hungry people
Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
February 23 2011 11:15 GMT
#1491
ZvP banelings is fun stuff.
Serious Business
LoCaD
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 11:24:23
February 23 2011 11:15 GMT
#1492
Intresting Game again with Banelings against toss.
I give up, I just don't know what to write here.
Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 11:15:58
February 23 2011 11:15 GMT
#1493
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 23 2011 20:14 Ultramus wrote:
Screw all the people saying Haypro isn't good. That dude is probably 100x the player anyone saying he's bad is. Fact is you have to be INSANELY good to win TvZ right now against really good Terrans.

I don't understand this "Haypro made more mistakes" Bullshit, how many of Ganzi's medivacs die without doing any damage in both games? Problem is terran can siege up at every zerg expo and you can't engage it cost effectively, it's pretty frustrating when the only way you can kill their army is if it's unseiged and on creep, and how often do we see that happen? Also letting those hatches die isn't a mistake at all, he HAS to get those bases up, it's worth the risk of losing it at that point to see if you can hold the expansion. Whereas a PF with turrets is basically incapable of being destroyed, factor in auto-repair?? It's just ludicrous.

Infestors are garbage and that's hopping the terran doesn't decide to get AN ghost, scan your army and immediately EMP every infestor you have, we saw it happen to Zenio. There is no recourse that zerg has to this. It makes the game frustrating to watch as an observer, there was no point in there where ganzi was in trouble even after losing his whole army NUMEROUS times.

Don't shit on Haydar, he played that game well, and definitely is a GREAT player.


god, get over the balance whines. read the top of the fucking thread.
dont ever say that
Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
February 23 2011 11:15 GMT
#1494
Why did he attack there.. t.t
Serious Business
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 11:16:28
February 23 2011 11:15 GMT
#1495
I'm as confused as Tasteless about that attack by the zerg.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
February 23 2011 11:15 GMT
#1496
Wow, massive group of overlords. 0_o
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
February 23 2011 11:15 GMT
#1497
On February 23 2011 20:13 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 20:07 ccHaZaRd wrote:
moonglade got so lucky on his draw lol he gets to face some shitty zenex terran and haypro has to face ganzi the best terran in code a


Do you even know who the guy glade is playing is? He is probably one of the favourites for code A....... Silly boy.


zenex destination, one of the favourites foe code A..... LOL
ct2299
Profile Joined February 2011
380 Posts
February 23 2011 11:16 GMT
#1498
On February 23 2011 20:09 gakkgakk wrote:
I remember a while back, alot of morons said Jinro should gtfo of korea because he sucked. unfortunately these morons are probably so moronic they do the same predictions about haypro now.

I think the teamliquid rules should have a row-of-cocks clause when making bold predictions about who's gonna succeed and not in the future.


Right but that's because people say Jinro didn't want to resort to cheese and wanted to learn to play the game correctly. Last time I checked, HayPro isn't trying for any breakthrough nor is trying to play the game differently. He's playing it EXACTLY the same way as everyone else, but just not executing nor playing it to nearly as good of a level as the other GSL zergs.

Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
February 23 2011 11:16 GMT
#1499
he's gonna bane drop...i'm so excited!
dont ever say that
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
February 23 2011 11:17 GMT
#1500
LoCaD I suggest editing your post if you don't want some red text under your post. Also that attack was awful. No reason to attack.

I like the bling play though
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