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razy
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation899 Posts
February 11 2011 19:41 GMT
#1441
On February 12 2011 04:37 Holgerius wrote:
That was a really nice Qxc interview. Thanks to the guy who posted the link! ^___^

there actually was interviews with merz, socke and fuzer as well :D and now there is strelok for u!
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 11 2011 19:41 GMT
#1442
Sjow and Darkforce out already? Sucks.

I think Huk will take this tbh.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
February 11 2011 19:41 GMT
#1443
On February 12 2011 04:41 razy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 04:37 Holgerius wrote:
That was a really nice Qxc interview. Thanks to the guy who posted the link! ^___^

there actually was interviews with merz, socke and fuzer as well :D and now there is strelok for u!


are there going to be VoDs of those?

wanna see socke!
Kevmeister @ Dota2
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 19:43:17
February 11 2011 19:42 GMT
#1444
SjoW lost to players who came prepared for him. You can call it an upset, because it probably is for most of you, but these guys came ready for him. It wouldn't surprise if he tilted after losing to Sein either which could be why he lost to RunA who also had a trick up his sleeve.
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razy
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation899 Posts
February 11 2011 19:42 GMT
#1445
On February 12 2011 04:41 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 04:41 razy wrote:
On February 12 2011 04:37 Holgerius wrote:
That was a really nice Qxc interview. Thanks to the guy who posted the link! ^___^

there actually was interviews with merz, socke and fuzer as well :D and now there is strelok for u!


are there going to be VoDs of those?

wanna see socke!


i hope vods will be posted later will try to link them once they are out :D
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
February 11 2011 19:43 GMT
#1446
On February 12 2011 04:40 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 04:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 04:21 syllogism wrote:
Certainly most people around here aren't justifying their dislike of Sjow very well, but there is a valid reason for disliking him as a player. That is to say, his play style, which shouldn't be as successful as it is given the mechanics he has to back it up. It speaks poorly of the game, in my opinion and the sooner he is forced to adapt and work on his mechanics, the better. Goody's success if even more disappointing. The players you named have better mechanics or are more creative and interesting.

You don't have to like the guy. But saying he shouldn't be successful, like you determine the formula to success?

RTS is a mix of strategy micro and macro. If you feel his macro is bad then that means he is doing better than others at strategy and micro. Saying he shouldn't be successful is exactly what is wrong with all the hate. Some players will be better at micro/macro (Huk), others at strategy (TLO). Sjow being good at micro/strategy and less at macro doesn't mean he shouldn't be successful.

It doesn't speak poorly of the game either. BW has always been like this in the past 10 years. It means player styles will have more personality.


To rephrase that, I'm saying it's a formula that ought not be successful in the long run and the sooner we get there, the better. Neither his micro or macro is good, which is especially obvious when watching his stream. It's a play style that is hard to appreciate a spectator, so in other words I dislike the style. Thus I obviously also do not wish the style to be successful.


Yea i also find it hard to appreciate his style. Watching him play doesnt really impress me. His wins impress me alot though.


If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 11 2011 19:44 GMT
#1447
On February 12 2011 04:41 razy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 04:37 Holgerius wrote:
That was a really nice Qxc interview. Thanks to the guy who posted the link! ^___^

there actually was interviews with merz, socke and fuzer as well :D and now there is strelok for u!

Well, the Strelok interview is (naturally) in russian, so I don't get much out of it.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
CryMeAReaper
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark1135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 19:46:33
February 11 2011 19:44 GMT
#1448
Hmm. can anyone re-link the qxc interview? didnt see the link and i dont want to scroll through 20 pages -_- (sry for lazyness).

and @syllogism

i guess its kind of a subjective matter, but imo its awesome to see all kinds of styles being succesful. it makes for more variety in the games, and keeps it from being a game of "who makes the least macro/micro mistakes" or "which strategy is mostly optimized", but more of a "who used the games limits and what he had at his disposal in order to beat his opponent the best he could". in other words: it makes the game deeper, and raises skill ceilling, which is always good for a game (E-sport).
(>*-*)><( *-* )><(*-*<) DoDTimber on Bnet
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
February 11 2011 19:45 GMT
#1449
Retnosaur and HuK got this Assemlblee thingie ezppzzz
iceiceice: I’m going to make this short; I am the one true tinker player.
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
February 11 2011 19:45 GMT
#1450
HuK's interview is hilarious. http://www.sk-gaming.com/video/318332-HuK_pretty_sure_Im_the_best_player_here
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
deerpark87
Profile Joined January 2011
760 Posts
February 11 2011 19:45 GMT
#1451
On February 12 2011 04:42 GenoZStriker wrote:
SjoW lost to players who came prepared for him. You can call it an upset, because it probably is for most of you, but these guys came ready for him. It wouldn't surprise if he tilted after losing to Sein either which could be why he lost to RunA who also had a trick up his sleeve.


yes exactly. as long as you play the same way (no scouting) and don't change, you will eventually be figure out. Like how MKP got figure out by MVP.
oldahe
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria534 Posts
February 11 2011 19:46 GMT
#1452
anybody knows what the first game after the break will be?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 11 2011 19:48 GMT
#1453
On February 12 2011 04:45 deerpark87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 04:42 GenoZStriker wrote:
SjoW lost to players who came prepared for him. You can call it an upset, because it probably is for most of you, but these guys came ready for him. It wouldn't surprise if he tilted after losing to Sein either which could be why he lost to RunA who also had a trick up his sleeve.


yes exactly. as long as you play the same way (no scouting) and don't change, you will eventually be figure out. Like how MKP got figure out by MVP.


Huh, MKP completely changed his style for the GSL finals and proceeded to play poorly because of it. Nothing to do with "being figured out". If you want to make a point at least give some proper examples.
deerpark87
Profile Joined January 2011
760 Posts
February 11 2011 19:49 GMT
#1454
On February 12 2011 04:48 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 04:45 deerpark87 wrote:
On February 12 2011 04:42 GenoZStriker wrote:
SjoW lost to players who came prepared for him. You can call it an upset, because it probably is for most of you, but these guys came ready for him. It wouldn't surprise if he tilted after losing to Sein either which could be why he lost to RunA who also had a trick up his sleeve.


yes exactly. as long as you play the same way (no scouting) and don't change, you will eventually be figure out. Like how MKP got figure out by MVP.


Huh, MKP completely changed his style for the GSL finals and proceeded to play poorly because of it. Nothing to do with "being figured out". If you want to make a point at least give some proper examples.


If you watch the finals you will know that his base trading style was figure out.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
February 11 2011 19:51 GMT
#1455
On February 12 2011 04:40 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 04:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 04:21 syllogism wrote:
Certainly most people around here aren't justifying their dislike of Sjow very well, but there is a valid reason for disliking him as a player. That is to say, his play style, which shouldn't be as successful as it is given the mechanics he has to back it up. It speaks poorly of the game, in my opinion and the sooner he is forced to adapt and work on his mechanics, the better. Goody's success if even more disappointing. The players you named have better mechanics or are more creative and interesting.

You don't have to like the guy. But saying he shouldn't be successful, like you determine the formula to success?

RTS is a mix of strategy micro and macro. If you feel his macro is bad then that means he is doing better than others at strategy and micro. Saying he shouldn't be successful is exactly what is wrong with all the hate. Some players will be better at micro/macro (Huk), others at strategy (TLO). Sjow being good at micro/strategy and less at macro doesn't mean he shouldn't be successful.

It doesn't speak poorly of the game either. BW has always been like this in the past 10 years. It means player styles will have more personality.


To rephrase that, I'm saying it's a formula that ought not be successful in the long run and the sooner we get there, the better. Neither his micro or macro is comparatively good, which is especially obvious when watching his stream. It's a play style that is hard to appreciate a spectator, so in other words I dislike the style. Thus I obviously also do not wish the style to be successful. Despite my regdate I got SC at the release date and followed it for years and even disregarding that it's obvious there'll be different viable styles, but that does not mean I can't say or hope a certain style should not be viable.
Show nested quote +
Goody was A- on ICCUP in Broodwar... hitting something like 10300 points during TSL2 Qualifier (then he had a slump). Saying he has bad mechanics is just silly... He might not have a super high apm but its very efficient.

He is a 60apm player who consistently floats thousands of minerals in his games despite not being maxed out.

Seeing stupid stuff like this really makes me root for Sjow.
And you dont have to like him, but you should not make stuff up to justify that. Apart from I dont think that it matters, his APM is not 60. Midgame it is over 100, when necessary it spikes over 200. It is actually very much the same as WhiteRa for example.
Basically if he would spam like many other players at the beginning of the game, and a little in between when there is not much to do, poeple like you would regard him as a better player. Its actually ridiculous if you think about it.
Off-season = best season
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
February 11 2011 19:51 GMT
#1456
On February 12 2011 04:21 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 04:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:58 ParasitJonte wrote:
You're almost as consistent in your defense of SjoW. Everytime someone talks down on him you smack them in the face :D. You must've really been impressed by some of his games or something >_<.

I agree with you of course, just think it's kind of funny.

I can't help that Sjow gets so much shit despite winning this many tournaments. I think it's more of a situation where Sjow has a lot of haters no reason at all that are all bringing up the most ridiculous stuff. You don't see people posting like this about White-Ra, Kas or Morrow and if they did you'd see me responding the same way. People can't just go around and make shit up in order to discredit a player you dislike. People need a little less hate and a little more love.

I've never talked to the guy fwiw nor does he particularly impress me more than other top players.

Certainly most people around here aren't justifying their dislike of Sjow very well, but there is a valid reason for disliking him as a player. That is to say, his play style, which shouldn't be as successful as it is given the mechanics he has to back it up. It speaks poorly of the game, in my opinion and the sooner he is forced to adapt and work on his mechanics, the better. Goody's success if even more disappointing. The players you named have better mechanics or are more creative and interesting. I suppose you can argue his decision making is just so good, but as a spectator his games aren't fun to watch.

Goody and Sjow are smart players and I'm cheering more for the smart players than the people who are better at mechanics, but often make dumb decisions.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
February 11 2011 19:51 GMT
#1457
Sjow and Darkforce out are the two upsets so far. Sjow being one of the tournament favourites is particularly surprising.

Still, there will be a whole lot of really good player going out in the Ro32 (It's looking stacked already), so get used to it. :p
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 11 2011 19:51 GMT
#1458
On February 12 2011 04:49 deerpark87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 04:48 Numy wrote:
On February 12 2011 04:45 deerpark87 wrote:
On February 12 2011 04:42 GenoZStriker wrote:
SjoW lost to players who came prepared for him. You can call it an upset, because it probably is for most of you, but these guys came ready for him. It wouldn't surprise if he tilted after losing to Sein either which could be why he lost to RunA who also had a trick up his sleeve.


yes exactly. as long as you play the same way (no scouting) and don't change, you will eventually be figure out. Like how MKP got figure out by MVP.


Huh, MKP completely changed his style for the GSL finals and proceeded to play poorly because of it. Nothing to do with "being figured out". If you want to make a point at least give some proper examples.


If you watch the finals you will know that his base trading style was figure out.


If you watched MKP you would have known that base trading was not his style. Merely a byproduct of it
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 19:55:12
February 11 2011 19:53 GMT
#1459
On February 12 2011 04:51 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 04:40 syllogism wrote:
On February 12 2011 04:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 04:21 syllogism wrote:
Certainly most people around here aren't justifying their dislike of Sjow very well, but there is a valid reason for disliking him as a player. That is to say, his play style, which shouldn't be as successful as it is given the mechanics he has to back it up. It speaks poorly of the game, in my opinion and the sooner he is forced to adapt and work on his mechanics, the better. Goody's success if even more disappointing. The players you named have better mechanics or are more creative and interesting.

You don't have to like the guy. But saying he shouldn't be successful, like you determine the formula to success?

RTS is a mix of strategy micro and macro. If you feel his macro is bad then that means he is doing better than others at strategy and micro. Saying he shouldn't be successful is exactly what is wrong with all the hate. Some players will be better at micro/macro (Huk), others at strategy (TLO). Sjow being good at micro/strategy and less at macro doesn't mean he shouldn't be successful.

It doesn't speak poorly of the game either. BW has always been like this in the past 10 years. It means player styles will have more personality.


To rephrase that, I'm saying it's a formula that ought not be successful in the long run and the sooner we get there, the better. Neither his micro or macro is comparatively good, which is especially obvious when watching his stream. It's a play style that is hard to appreciate a spectator, so in other words I dislike the style. Thus I obviously also do not wish the style to be successful. Despite my regdate I got SC at the release date and followed it for years and even disregarding that it's obvious there'll be different viable styles, but that does not mean I can't say or hope a certain style should not be viable.
Goody was A- on ICCUP in Broodwar... hitting something like 10300 points during TSL2 Qualifier (then he had a slump). Saying he has bad mechanics is just silly... He might not have a super high apm but its very efficient.

He is a 60apm player who consistently floats thousands of minerals in his games despite not being maxed out.

Seeing stupid stuff like this really makes me root for Sjow.
And you dont have to like him, but you should not make stuff up to justify that. Apart from I dont think that it matters, his APM is not 60. Midgame it is over 100, when necessary it spikes over 200. It is actually very much the same as WhiteRa for example.
Basically if he would spam like many other players at the beginning of the game, and a little in between when there is not much to do, poeple like you would regard him as a better player. Its actually ridiculous if you think about it.

That apm was re: Goody, whose apm is clearly well below what is required to maintain good control and macro
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
February 11 2011 19:54 GMT
#1460
wow huk's new hair style is so sexy
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