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On February 12 2011 04:54 TT1 wrote:
wow huk's new hair style is so sexy
I only saw one pic, but I think it looks terrible 
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On February 12 2011 04:51 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 04:40 syllogism wrote:On February 12 2011 04:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 04:21 syllogism wrote:
Certainly most people around here aren't justifying their dislike of Sjow very well, but there is a valid reason for disliking him as a player. That is to say, his play style, which shouldn't be as successful as it is given the mechanics he has to back it up. It speaks poorly of the game, in my opinion and the sooner he is forced to adapt and work on his mechanics, the better. Goody's success if even more disappointing. The players you named have better mechanics or are more creative and interesting. You don't have to like the guy. But saying he shouldn't be successful, like you determine the formula to success? RTS is a mix of strategy micro and macro. If you feel his macro is bad then that means he is doing better than others at strategy and micro. Saying he shouldn't be successful is exactly what is wrong with all the hate. Some players will be better at micro/macro (Huk), others at strategy (TLO). Sjow being good at micro/strategy and less at macro doesn't mean he shouldn't be successful. It doesn't speak poorly of the game either. BW has always been like this in the past 10 years. It means player styles will have more personality. To rephrase that, I'm saying it's a formula that ought not be successful in the long run and the sooner we get there, the better. Neither his micro or macro is comparatively good, which is especially obvious when watching his stream. It's a play style that is hard to appreciate a spectator, so in other words I dislike the style. Thus I obviously also do not wish the style to be successful. Despite my regdate I got SC at the release date and followed it for years and even disregarding that it's obvious there'll be different viable styles, but that does not mean I can't say or hope a certain style should not be viable. Goody was A- on ICCUP in Broodwar... hitting something like 10300 points during TSL2 Qualifier (then he had a slump). Saying he has bad mechanics is just silly... He might not have a super high apm but its very efficient.
He is a 60apm player who consistently floats thousands of minerals in his games despite not being maxed out. Seeing stupid stuff like this really makes me root for Sjow.And you dont have to like him, but you should not make stuff up to justify that. Apart from I dont think that it matters, his APM is not 60. Midgame it is over 100, when necessary it spikes over 200. It is actually very much the same as WhiteRa for example. Basically if he would spam like many other players at the beginning of the game, and a little in between when there is not much to do, poeple like you would regard him as a better player. Its actually ridiculous if you think about it.
Foot in mouth much?
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On February 12 2011 04:54 TT1 wrote:
wow huk's new hair style is so sexy
thought the same
rly cocky interview :O
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On February 12 2011 04:55 frequency wrote:I only saw one pic, but I think it looks terrible
when you play 14 hours a day you dont have time for trivial things like haircuts
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What is up with his hair? lol
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On February 12 2011 04:54 TT1 wrote:
wow huk's new hair style is so sexy
I guess day9 wasnt joking when he said HuK got surgery to turn into a full korean.
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On February 12 2011 04:27 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 04:23 Alphaes wrote:On February 12 2011 04:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:58 ParasitJonte wrote:
You're almost as consistent in your defense of SjoW. Everytime someone talks down on him you smack them in the face :D. You must've really been impressed by some of his games or something >_<.
I agree with you of course, just think it's kind of funny. I can't help that Sjow gets so much shit despite winning this many tournaments. I think it's more of a situation where Sjow has a lot of haters no reason at all that are all bringing up the most ridiculous stuff. You don't see people posting like this about White-Ra, Kas or Morrow and if they did you'd see me responding the same way. People can't just go around and make shit up in order to discredit a player you dislike. People need a little less hate and a little more love. I've never talked to the guy fwiw nor does he particularly impress me more than other top players. Well, I wouldn't say for no reason. First thing that I recall which put him off for me was that stupid bit of collusion that he was planning with Morrow for that tournament series, and his arrogant rationalization of it. Then recently there was that whole business with the pokeridol finals, which I didn't personally care that much about, but apparently pissed off a lot of other spectators. He may have a very solid playstyle, but there's just something about him that I can't find myself wanting to cheer for him at all. The reason you call his explanation 'rationalization' is because you don't know what happened. It was absolutely nothing, and completely blown out of proportion. I think you should find a better reason for disliking him, then refrain from posting that reason because nobody gives a shit.
It was blown out of proportion to a degree, but it definitely was not absolutely nothing. I'm glad they got caught for it before they could commit that act, and hope that set a warning for those in the future who might entertain such dangerous thoughts.
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On February 12 2011 04:57 Alphaes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 04:27 hifriend wrote:On February 12 2011 04:23 Alphaes wrote:On February 12 2011 04:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:58 ParasitJonte wrote:
You're almost as consistent in your defense of SjoW. Everytime someone talks down on him you smack them in the face :D. You must've really been impressed by some of his games or something >_<.
I agree with you of course, just think it's kind of funny. I can't help that Sjow gets so much shit despite winning this many tournaments. I think it's more of a situation where Sjow has a lot of haters no reason at all that are all bringing up the most ridiculous stuff. You don't see people posting like this about White-Ra, Kas or Morrow and if they did you'd see me responding the same way. People can't just go around and make shit up in order to discredit a player you dislike. People need a little less hate and a little more love. I've never talked to the guy fwiw nor does he particularly impress me more than other top players. Well, I wouldn't say for no reason. First thing that I recall which put him off for me was that stupid bit of collusion that he was planning with Morrow for that tournament series, and his arrogant rationalization of it. Then recently there was that whole business with the pokeridol finals, which I didn't personally care that much about, but apparently pissed off a lot of other spectators. He may have a very solid playstyle, but there's just something about him that I can't find myself wanting to cheer for him at all. The reason you call his explanation 'rationalization' is because you don't know what happened. It was absolutely nothing, and completely blown out of proportion. I think you should find a better reason for disliking him, then refrain from posting that reason because nobody gives a shit. It was blown out of proportion to a degree, but it definitely was not absolutely nothing. I'm glad they got caught for it before they could commit that act, and hope that set a warning for those in the future who might entertain such dangerous thoughts.
You just proved hifriend's point. Good job.
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woo ret vs naugrim wowowo
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lets call huk the bieber toss from now on
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On February 12 2011 04:57 Alphaes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 04:27 hifriend wrote:On February 12 2011 04:23 Alphaes wrote:On February 12 2011 04:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:58 ParasitJonte wrote:
You're almost as consistent in your defense of SjoW. Everytime someone talks down on him you smack them in the face :D. You must've really been impressed by some of his games or something >_<.
I agree with you of course, just think it's kind of funny. I can't help that Sjow gets so much shit despite winning this many tournaments. I think it's more of a situation where Sjow has a lot of haters no reason at all that are all bringing up the most ridiculous stuff. You don't see people posting like this about White-Ra, Kas or Morrow and if they did you'd see me responding the same way. People can't just go around and make shit up in order to discredit a player you dislike. People need a little less hate and a little more love. I've never talked to the guy fwiw nor does he particularly impress me more than other top players. Well, I wouldn't say for no reason. First thing that I recall which put him off for me was that stupid bit of collusion that he was planning with Morrow for that tournament series, and his arrogant rationalization of it. Then recently there was that whole business with the pokeridol finals, which I didn't personally care that much about, but apparently pissed off a lot of other spectators. He may have a very solid playstyle, but there's just something about him that I can't find myself wanting to cheer for him at all. The reason you call his explanation 'rationalization' is because you don't know what happened. It was absolutely nothing, and completely blown out of proportion. I think you should find a better reason for disliking him, then refrain from posting that reason because nobody gives a shit. It was blown out of proportion to a degree, but it definitely was not absolutely nothing. I'm glad they got caught for it before they could commit that act, and hope that set a warning for those in the future who might entertain such dangerous thoughts.
IT WAS NOTHING, they simply asked the admin if they could do it and the admin said no (short version). They weren't "caught".
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On February 12 2011 04:57 Alphaes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 04:27 hifriend wrote:On February 12 2011 04:23 Alphaes wrote:On February 12 2011 04:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:58 ParasitJonte wrote:
You're almost as consistent in your defense of SjoW. Everytime someone talks down on him you smack them in the face :D. You must've really been impressed by some of his games or something >_<.
I agree with you of course, just think it's kind of funny. I can't help that Sjow gets so much shit despite winning this many tournaments. I think it's more of a situation where Sjow has a lot of haters no reason at all that are all bringing up the most ridiculous stuff. You don't see people posting like this about White-Ra, Kas or Morrow and if they did you'd see me responding the same way. People can't just go around and make shit up in order to discredit a player you dislike. People need a little less hate and a little more love. I've never talked to the guy fwiw nor does he particularly impress me more than other top players. Well, I wouldn't say for no reason. First thing that I recall which put him off for me was that stupid bit of collusion that he was planning with Morrow for that tournament series, and his arrogant rationalization of it. Then recently there was that whole business with the pokeridol finals, which I didn't personally care that much about, but apparently pissed off a lot of other spectators. He may have a very solid playstyle, but there's just something about him that I can't find myself wanting to cheer for him at all. The reason you call his explanation 'rationalization' is because you don't know what happened. It was absolutely nothing, and completely blown out of proportion. I think you should find a better reason for disliking him, then refrain from posting that reason because nobody gives a shit. It was blown out of proportion to a degree, but it definitely was not absolutely nothing. I'm glad they got caught for it before they could commit that act, and hope that set a warning for those in the future who might entertain such dangerous thoughts.
You obviously don't know what took place at IO, the tournament admin explicitly gave his consent to them throwing finals and or being able to leave WO.
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I can't wait to see Ret in action. :D His macro seems ridiculously good.
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On February 12 2011 04:53 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 04:51 Redox wrote:On February 12 2011 04:40 syllogism wrote:On February 12 2011 04:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 04:21 syllogism wrote:
Certainly most people around here aren't justifying their dislike of Sjow very well, but there is a valid reason for disliking him as a player. That is to say, his play style, which shouldn't be as successful as it is given the mechanics he has to back it up. It speaks poorly of the game, in my opinion and the sooner he is forced to adapt and work on his mechanics, the better. Goody's success if even more disappointing. The players you named have better mechanics or are more creative and interesting. You don't have to like the guy. But saying he shouldn't be successful, like you determine the formula to success? RTS is a mix of strategy micro and macro. If you feel his macro is bad then that means he is doing better than others at strategy and micro. Saying he shouldn't be successful is exactly what is wrong with all the hate. Some players will be better at micro/macro (Huk), others at strategy (TLO). Sjow being good at micro/strategy and less at macro doesn't mean he shouldn't be successful. It doesn't speak poorly of the game either. BW has always been like this in the past 10 years. It means player styles will have more personality. To rephrase that, I'm saying it's a formula that ought not be successful in the long run and the sooner we get there, the better. Neither his micro or macro is comparatively good, which is especially obvious when watching his stream. It's a play style that is hard to appreciate a spectator, so in other words I dislike the style. Thus I obviously also do not wish the style to be successful. Despite my regdate I got SC at the release date and followed it for years and even disregarding that it's obvious there'll be different viable styles, but that does not mean I can't say or hope a certain style should not be viable. Goody was A- on ICCUP in Broodwar... hitting something like 10300 points during TSL2 Qualifier (then he had a slump). Saying he has bad mechanics is just silly... He might not have a super high apm but its very efficient.
He is a 60apm player who consistently floats thousands of minerals in his games despite not being maxed out. Seeing stupid stuff like this really makes me root for Sjow. And you dont have to like him, but you should not make stuff up to justify that. Apart from I dont think that it matters, his APM is not 60. Midgame it is over 100, when necessary it spikes over 200. It is actually very much the same as WhiteRa for example. Basically if he would spam like many other players at the beginning of the game, and a little in between when there is not much to do, poeple like you would regard him as a better player. Its actually ridiculous if you think about it. That apm was re: Goody, whose apm is clearly well below what is required to maintain good control and macro
I see, my apologies. Although I still dislike your attitude. 
And regarding goody and his "bad" mechanics. With these he was also quite successful in broodwar. Actually in relation to other europeans he is not much better at sc2 than at bw. His habit to not use hotkeys for building stuff but klicking it all and the resulting queus are actually a result of his bw mechanics.
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On February 12 2011 04:56 Toxi78 wrote:thought the same rly cocky interview :O
thats the mentality that a top player needs tho : D
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After that interview I really hope Huk gets raped first round. Looking down on all the players there just because he is doing well on the ladder is just bad.
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On February 12 2011 04:59 TT1 wrote:
lets call huk the bieber toss from now on
Bahahaha!! +1
Don't think he'll appreciate it much though...
On another note, The moment anyone sees the Ret game being casted please inform on the LR! F5ing initiated....
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