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n00b3rt
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria890 Posts
January 27 2011 11:12 GMT
#901
On January 27 2011 20:07 Tyree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 20:01 Tony Campolo wrote:
Artosis' unprofessionalism just makes watching GSL a horrible experience. Commentators need to be unbiased and not act like complete dickfucks.


Only thing making viewing GSL a horrible experience is reading these threads, the moderators here have said no balance talk allowed, so a few people decided to whine about the commentators instead. If its not balance, maps or commmentators, its something else.


Lol, and what if the commentator himself speaks in such a way, that if he posted it here he would be banned. :D Artosis is totally unprofessional, but don't take this as whining - it's actually the reason I watch GSL
Yeah, whatever
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
January 27 2011 11:12 GMT
#902
Was people upset when ZeNEXByun said in his winner interview that he picked liveforever so he had a secure win if he lost against Leenock?

Get over it, everone involved knows that liveforever is bad, really bad.
I am not young enough to know everything.
spidii
Profile Joined October 2010
United States372 Posts
January 27 2011 11:12 GMT
#903
On January 27 2011 20:10 Day000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 20:08 spidii wrote:
On January 27 2011 20:05 akalarry wrote:
On January 27 2011 20:03 spidii wrote:
On January 27 2011 20:02 GhostFall wrote:
i know we aren't suppose to talk about imbalance, but seriously that series was bullshit. live forever even said he was winging it and managed to get code S. I understand how w'e're suppose to improve ourselves. But seriously. how can you look at that game and not say its imbalanced. Leenock didn't even make that big of a mistake. He just had his baneling nest a little late, a regular timing for terran builds. Liveforever, is master league level at best, probably wouldnt even be in the top 200, yet is considered code s, because he is terran.



In the end, lots of Barracks + Stim + Combat Shield timing is super strong, you need to know it's coming, you need your banes earlier and that's what it comes down to. Otherwise, you're just not going to stop it.


seriously...

10 lings vs 6 rax? liveforever "tricked" him with a canceled factory. this isn't imbalance, this is just funny.

liveforever didn't have combat shields either





I know he did in game 2, and I thought he did again in game 3 since he had two tech labs but I'm not 100 percent, either way, stim timing by itself is hard to stop unless you are prepared.


...and he couldn't because of perfect scout denial by liveforever


Yeah, LiveForever played that build pretty decently, I'm just saying Leenock isn't a crap player like a few people are suggesting.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
January 27 2011 11:13 GMT
#904
On January 27 2011 20:07 Tyree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 20:01 Tony Campolo wrote:
Artosis' unprofessionalism just makes watching GSL a horrible experience. Commentators need to be unbiased and not act like complete dickfucks.


Only thing making viewing GSL a horrible experience is reading these threads, the moderators here have said no balance talk allowed, so a few people decided to whine about the commentators instead. If its not balance, maps or commmentators, its something else.

Regardless of what happens, there is always something to complain about for some of you people, the rest of us who are trying to watch these games have to basically run away from these threads because people get too upset and become Comic Book Guy (see: Simpsons) where everything and everyone sucks and its horrible and "OMG its SOO BAD".

Artosis got invested in the game, and showed his bias: guess what that happens to every commentator ever. Ever watch a sporting event? Big deal, if you dont like him talking, there is the mute button, click it, and put some music on.

The guy is mad because he's also a 1-dimensional all-in every game player just like LiveForever, so he empathizes with him and feels that Artosis is insulting him indirectly.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
January 27 2011 11:15 GMT
#905
On January 27 2011 20:11 Inflexion wrote:
LOL. I play zerg but all the people trying to say that 'whoever deserves this, deserves that'.

WELCOME TO SPORTS or even ANYTHING COMPETITIVE.

The underdog CAN win. Just because you're the favorite 'or deserve to win' doesn't mean you will.

If there was some kind of thing that LiveForever abused, then perhaps there would be an argument.

But he didn't, it was a simple timing attack, like any other that happens on ladder or in practice. He didn't make his baneling nest. That's the end of story.


What's the expression? fall on deaf ears? It's obvious Leenock lost because of himself and people are just trying to find the blame elsewhere.
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
January 27 2011 11:15 GMT
#906
how is what liveforever did in the third game an allin

whats the difference between that, and a 2base 4-6gate push by ogs.mc? it's meant to do a ton of damage and if the opponent somehow survives it, the worst that should happen is that the game is equalized by the devastating push.

seemed like a timing push to me
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 27 2011 11:16 GMT
#907
On January 27 2011 20:13 teamsolid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 20:07 Tyree wrote:
On January 27 2011 20:01 Tony Campolo wrote:
Artosis' unprofessionalism just makes watching GSL a horrible experience. Commentators need to be unbiased and not act like complete dickfucks.


Only thing making viewing GSL a horrible experience is reading these threads, the moderators here have said no balance talk allowed, so a few people decided to whine about the commentators instead. If its not balance, maps or commmentators, its something else.

Regardless of what happens, there is always something to complain about for some of you people, the rest of us who are trying to watch these games have to basically run away from these threads because people get too upset and become Comic Book Guy (see: Simpsons) where everything and everyone sucks and its horrible and "OMG its SOO BAD".

Artosis got invested in the game, and showed his bias: guess what that happens to every commentator ever. Ever watch a sporting event? Big deal, if you dont like him talking, there is the mute button, click it, and put some music on.

The guy is mad because he's also a 1-dimensional all-in every game player just like LiveForever, so he empathizes with him and feels that Artosis is insulting him indirectly.

Well said, Artosis is Boss.

But Leenock made big mistakes. If he hold that push he would have been ahead. A lot.
I had a good night of sleep.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 27 2011 11:16 GMT
#908
That banshee is really paying off for TOP
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
January 27 2011 11:16 GMT
#909
On January 27 2011 20:07 ccHaZaRd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 20:02 GhostFall wrote:
i know we aren't suppose to talk about imbalance, but seriously that series was bullshit. live forever even said he was winging it and managed to get code S. I understand how w'e're suppose to improve ourselves. But seriously. how can you look at that game and not say its imbalanced. Leenock didn't even make that big of a mistake. He just had his baneling nest a little late, a regular timing for terran builds. Liveforever, is master league level at best, probably wouldnt even be in the top 200, yet is considered code s, because he is terran.


i bet you whine every time a 4gate works as well

look at my post history. i have never whined about anything. if u lose to 4gate, it's ur own fault, or you're also protoss. you are deluding yourself if you don't think that game showed imbalance.
monkeyfetus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
January 27 2011 11:17 GMT
#910
Snarf
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
January 27 2011 11:17 GMT
#911
lol legalmind. If Top doesn't make it I'm going to eat a hat, seriously!
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
January 27 2011 11:17 GMT
#912
Well im surprised that people are complaining about professionalism. Dont get me wrong im pro for them becoming more professional but i remember last season, tasteless actually started eating a banana on camera and just nodding to artosis while he was talking. I actually thought that was a low point for him but many fans here seem to be okay with it. So I assumed that it was just the SC scene, they were just okay with stuff like that. I guess I generalized.

I think artosis could tone is down but there was nothing wrong with what he was saying. I prefer emotion in announcers rather than not and artosis was simply displaying some emotion.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Murdoink
Profile Joined March 2009
Chile1219 Posts
January 27 2011 11:17 GMT
#913
On January 27 2011 20:17 monkeyfetus wrote:
Snarf

Snarf indeed
SNARF HWAITING
zwietracht
Profile Joined October 2010
Liechtenstein24 Posts
January 27 2011 11:17 GMT
#914
What the fudge was this lol. Indeed a desperate attack that was destined to fail. :/
spidii
Profile Joined October 2010
United States372 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 11:19:06
January 27 2011 11:18 GMT
#915
On January 27 2011 20:16 GhostFall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 20:07 ccHaZaRd wrote:
On January 27 2011 20:02 GhostFall wrote:
i know we aren't suppose to talk about imbalance, but seriously that series was bullshit. live forever even said he was winging it and managed to get code S. I understand how w'e're suppose to improve ourselves. But seriously. how can you look at that game and not say its imbalanced. Leenock didn't even make that big of a mistake. He just had his baneling nest a little late, a regular timing for terran builds. Liveforever, is master league level at best, probably wouldnt even be in the top 200, yet is considered code s, because he is terran.


i bet you whine every time a 4gate works as well

look at my post history. i have never whined about anything. if u lose to 4gate, it's ur own fault, or you're also protoss. you are deluding yourself if you don't think that game showed imbalance.



....I whine about losing to a 4 gate on Steppes....every day.... lol
cordlc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 11:19:36
January 27 2011 11:18 GMT
#916
On January 27 2011 20:00 Scorch wrote:
Leenock is obviously the far superior player but failed to play it safe. It really is his own fault for losing.
That said, I don't think LiveForever could have pulled the upset if he played Protoss or Zerg. Those races just don't have the same alpha strike and all-in power (except maybe 4Gate). In other words: unlike Protoss and Zerg, Terran is always dangerous, even in the hands of a lesser player. We've seen lots of "bad" Terrans advance far in the leagues, much more than Zergs or Protosses.

Not that I disagree, of course (being Terran myself), but the way Protoss is almost ignored when they have it even easier (when it comes to some lower level, mindless rushes) does annoy me. Against zerg, they have far more viable and dangerous cheeses - cannon abuse, blink Stalkers, 4gate, Stargate play, etc.

Top this off with a scarier end game against zerg, Leenock could've easily gone down to a lesser skilled toss the way he played.

We see more lesser-skilled Terran only because PvT is on Terran's side (for non-scouted early all-ins)
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 27 2011 11:18 GMT
#917
And a game goes by with people still talking about the commentary on the last game. It's over, move on.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
ScarletKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States691 Posts
January 27 2011 11:18 GMT
#918
On January 27 2011 20:16 GhostFall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 20:07 ccHaZaRd wrote:
On January 27 2011 20:02 GhostFall wrote:
i know we aren't suppose to talk about imbalance, but seriously that series was bullshit. live forever even said he was winging it and managed to get code S. I understand how w'e're suppose to improve ourselves. But seriously. how can you look at that game and not say its imbalanced. Leenock didn't even make that big of a mistake. He just had his baneling nest a little late, a regular timing for terran builds. Liveforever, is master league level at best, probably wouldnt even be in the top 200, yet is considered code s, because he is terran.


i bet you whine every time a 4gate works as well

look at my post history. i have never whined about anything. if u lose to 4gate, it's ur own fault, or you're also protoss. you are deluding yourself if you don't think that game showed imbalance.


Please go away,
Looks like I picked the wrong week the quit sniffing glue
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
January 27 2011 11:18 GMT
#919
Maybe the 2 terrans aren't code S material but leenock losing to both of them and so shamefully botching games 2 and 3 against LiveForever ... not deserving of code S, more practice should get him there at some point, he's certainly showed he had some talent in a few good games so far.
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
January 27 2011 11:18 GMT
#920
On January 27 2011 20:16 GhostFall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 20:07 ccHaZaRd wrote:
On January 27 2011 20:02 GhostFall wrote:
i know we aren't suppose to talk about imbalance, but seriously that series was bullshit. live forever even said he was winging it and managed to get code S. I understand how w'e're suppose to improve ourselves. But seriously. how can you look at that game and not say its imbalanced. Leenock didn't even make that big of a mistake. He just had his baneling nest a little late, a regular timing for terran builds. Liveforever, is master league level at best, probably wouldnt even be in the top 200, yet is considered code s, because he is terran.


i bet you whine every time a 4gate works as well

look at my post history. i have never whined about anything. if u lose to 4gate, it's ur own fault, or you're also protoss. you are deluding yourself if you don't think that game showed imbalance.


how was it imbalance

leenock had 10 lings LOL

it was either poor scouting, or mislead scouting information that game
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