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Man I new you could do it Jinro :D Stannade uppe hela natten and it was totally worth it!
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On January 15 2011 20:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 19:29 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, Koreans aren't too kind toward MC's attitude today, judging from PlayXP posts. Especially considering:
1. How Jinro treated him in last season
2. How MC behaved after he beat Rainbow (cut-throat gesture)
Koreans love Jinro for his manners, humility, and awesome games he provides. On the other hand some folks have been getting fed up with MC's arrogance. Hm I dont understand what they think MC did wrong?
Maybe it's that finger ceremony thing he does...
There was also one of the code S Koreans who said MC was cocky in his interview or something
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On January 15 2011 21:15 raidmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 21:09 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 21:03 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:59 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 20:25 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:14 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 20:04 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:01 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 19:55 raidmaster wrote:
I don't wanna argue here but for some people the picture above (crucifix etc.) may be an insult to religion and is far worse than those made-in-5-seconds troll images. And as far as I'm concerned such things are ban-worthy for the most of forums. I appreciate the work an author put to create it, but it isn't necessairly better from other images for everyone, just because it required more effort. I'm cool with it, but someone may not. Just sayin. Lol, we are clearly not visiting the same forums then if you think that is ban-worthy on most forums. In fact I have a hard time thinking of one that would outright ban someone for that. It is clearly stated in most of the forums that insult to religion is forbidden (in any form). You probably think what you think because you don't care. But some people do. And because of that forums have rules like that. Where did I write my opinion on the picture? I just said with quite certainty that most forums that I visit wouldn't have a problem with such a picture (pretty much every swedish forum I know of, and quite a few english speaking as well). Can you prove otherwise? I don't have to prove you anything. It is obvious that rules of that exist on "mature" forums just to respect people thoughts and opinions. Why is it so hard to understand? For somebody cursing is inappropriate, for someone else its insulting religion (especially if this person believes in such). This is why regulations exist and why moderatos exist. Can anyone link me a TL regulations? Lol, you are a piece of work. "Mature" forums... Once again I can post the picture on forums that most would consider "mature", whatever that means. You can basically offend anyone no matter what you post. Are you suggesting we banned someone just because a few gets offended? We wouldn't have any kind of discussion that way. Every forum sets a limit and naturally that is connected to what kind of people read and post on said forum. You might have no hesitation of posting a picture of a steak while an indian might get highly offended by a picture of a holy cow served as food. And you were the one claiming that "most" forums would have that picture as bannable while I disagree while offering to give you plenty of proof. But apparently you think you can just throw out a statement as fact and them justify it by saying you don't have to prove anything... If that is your stance please refer from making blatantly incorrect statements in the future. Also not every forum have rules that are directly connected to religion, but rather posting rude, offensive things which is in the eye of the beholder (admins and such). If you don't like that, you must have a terrible time surfing the internet. Ok, so tell me why people got banned for posting those troll pictures few pages before. I'm sure that only "few got offended". If you don't think that people deserve to have rights protecting their believes then my discussion with you is pointless. You just don't understand basic forms of human coexistence. Lol, are you serious? This is a private forum, you have no rights other than what the site owners give you. And there were about of 2 people that raised objections to the religious picture while the rest gave 10+ pages of arguments. That might give you a clue why one was allowed and why one wasn't. If you can't understand that, then you don't get the internet. Once again, are you suggesting we ban everyone that a few find offensive. Yes, with a few I mean a few. And your last sentence is just laughable.... Really? Wow, can you read all my post before posting? I've said at the beginning that I'm comparing that Jinro-Jesus picture and those troll pictures and I'm saying that they both may be insulting for some people. But both had 10+ pages of statements like "GOSU!" (arguments? lmao) and only troll pictures were banned. It's Internet, RIGHT?
And can you read what I'm posting? I'm saying it's clear that the troll page pictures had a lot more people objecting to them then the Jesus one. Are you not getting it yet? If you want I can once again offer to give you proof by gathering all pros and cons if you once again feel that you don't need to back up your blatantly wrong statements with proof.
A lot of people objecting -> Ban
A few people objecting -> No ban.
That's how the internet usually works.
Once again, do you suggest that we ban everything that a few think is offensive and that we treat everything exactly the same? By that definition we would either have a forum with everything allowed or nothing...
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On January 15 2011 21:12 noD wrote:
sooo happy
now I think it has 3 possibilities
1) the IM guys wins
2) Jinro wins
3) foxer wins
still i think IM guys have more chance than jinro and jinro way more than foxed =DDDD
i tihnk 6 of the 8 can win all but Foxer and Choya.
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On January 15 2011 21:21 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 21:15 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 21:09 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 21:03 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:59 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 20:25 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:14 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 20:04 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:01 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 19:55 raidmaster wrote:
I don't wanna argue here but for some people the picture above (crucifix etc.) may be an insult to religion and is far worse than those made-in-5-seconds troll images. And as far as I'm concerned such things are ban-worthy for the most of forums. I appreciate the work an author put to create it, but it isn't necessairly better from other images for everyone, just because it required more effort. I'm cool with it, but someone may not. Just sayin. Lol, we are clearly not visiting the same forums then if you think that is ban-worthy on most forums. In fact I have a hard time thinking of one that would outright ban someone for that. It is clearly stated in most of the forums that insult to religion is forbidden (in any form). You probably think what you think because you don't care. But some people do. And because of that forums have rules like that. Where did I write my opinion on the picture? I just said with quite certainty that most forums that I visit wouldn't have a problem with such a picture (pretty much every swedish forum I know of, and quite a few english speaking as well). Can you prove otherwise? I don't have to prove you anything. It is obvious that rules of that exist on "mature" forums just to respect people thoughts and opinions. Why is it so hard to understand? For somebody cursing is inappropriate, for someone else its insulting religion (especially if this person believes in such). This is why regulations exist and why moderatos exist. Can anyone link me a TL regulations? Lol, you are a piece of work. "Mature" forums... Once again I can post the picture on forums that most would consider "mature", whatever that means. You can basically offend anyone no matter what you post. Are you suggesting we banned someone just because a few gets offended? We wouldn't have any kind of discussion that way. Every forum sets a limit and naturally that is connected to what kind of people read and post on said forum. You might have no hesitation of posting a picture of a steak while an indian might get highly offended by a picture of a holy cow served as food. And you were the one claiming that "most" forums would have that picture as bannable while I disagree while offering to give you plenty of proof. But apparently you think you can just throw out a statement as fact and them justify it by saying you don't have to prove anything... If that is your stance please refer from making blatantly incorrect statements in the future. Also not every forum have rules that are directly connected to religion, but rather posting rude, offensive things which is in the eye of the beholder (admins and such). If you don't like that, you must have a terrible time surfing the internet. Ok, so tell me why people got banned for posting those troll pictures few pages before. I'm sure that only "few got offended". If you don't think that people deserve to have rights protecting their believes then my discussion with you is pointless. You just don't understand basic forms of human coexistence. Lol, are you serious? This is a private forum, you have no rights other than what the site owners give you. And there were about of 2 people that raised objections to the religious picture while the rest gave 10+ pages of arguments. That might give you a clue why one was allowed and why one wasn't. If you can't understand that, then you don't get the internet. Once again, are you suggesting we ban everyone that a few find offensive. Yes, with a few I mean a few. And your last sentence is just laughable.... Really? Wow, can you read all my post before posting? I've said at the beginning that I'm comparing that Jinro-Jesus picture and those troll pictures and I'm saying that they both may be insulting for some people. But both had 10+ pages of statements like "GOSU!" (arguments? lmao) and only troll pictures were banned. It's Internet, RIGHT? And can you read what I'm posting? I'm saying it's clear that the troll page pictures had a lot more people objecting to them then the Jesus one. Are you not getting it yet? If you want I can once again offer to give you proof by gathering all pros and cons if you once again feel that you don't need to back up your blatantly wrong statements with proof. A lot of people objecting -> Ban A few people objecting -> No ban. That's how the internet usually works. Once again, do you suggest that we ban everything that a few think is offensive?
Ok, give me proof that lot of the people where objecting troll pictures BEFORE admin said they are bad. C'mon, I'm waiting.
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It is clearly stated in most of the forums that insult to religion is forbidden (in any form). You probably think what you think because you don't care. But some people do. And because of that forums have rules like that.
I've never been on a forum with such a retarded rule. And wouldn't want to be on one. Here's a picture of Jesus, as a cat: =(^-^)=
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Is there anyway to watch the vods on the site (i've payed) without it being hardcoded into the browser ? Its fucking horrible. Its not widescreen to match a normal laptop monitor, and you cant select fullscreen. What the fuck is this ?
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Im Kinda sad that MC didn´t make the group because there were already enough terrans in the Ro8. The Gom System is a little bit strange because mc never played the player who got first in the group and instead lost two times to the same person? I don´t really like that system but I guess its the best if you have a fixed scedule.
Also gj jinro for overcoming MC!
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On January 15 2011 21:25 Zihua wrote:Show nested quote +It is clearly stated in most of the forums that insult to religion is forbidden (in any form). You probably think what you think because you don't care. But some people do. And because of that forums have rules like that. I've never been on a forum with such a retarded rule. And wouldn't want to be on one. Here's a picture of Jesus, as a cat: =(^-^)=
You certainly have shown your intelligence and maturity with this post. Now, are you expecing people to say that you are smart? No, you are not.
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On January 15 2011 20:48 raidmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 20:44 Nemireck wrote:On January 15 2011 20:35 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:30 Nemireck wrote:On January 15 2011 20:25 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:14 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 20:04 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:01 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 19:55 raidmaster wrote:
I don't wanna argue here but for some people the picture above (crucifix etc.) may be an insult to religion and is far worse than those made-in-5-seconds troll images. And as far as I'm concerned such things are ban-worthy for the most of forums. I appreciate the work an author put to create it, but it isn't necessairly better from other images for everyone, just because it required more effort. I'm cool with it, but someone may not. Just sayin. Lol, we are clearly not visiting the same forums then if you think that is ban-worthy on most forums. In fact I have a hard time thinking of one that would outright ban someone for that. It is clearly stated in most of the forums that insult to religion is forbidden (in any form). You probably think what you think because you don't care. But some people do. And because of that forums have rules like that. Where did I write my opinion on the picture? I just said with quite certainty that most forums that I visit wouldn't have a problem with such a picture (pretty much every swedish forum I know of, and quite a few english speaking as well). Can you prove otherwise? I don't have to prove you anything. It is obvious that rules of that exist on "mature" forums just to respect people thoughts and opinions. Why is it so hard to understand? For somebody cursing is inappropriate, for someone else its insulting religion (especially if this person believes in such). This is why regulations exist and why moderatos exist. Can anyone link me a TL regulations? I've never seen a forum that has banned people for such images. There's huge difference between something being listed in the rules, and the rules actually being enforced. So while you may be correct that there is often a rule handling such things, the actual enforcement of such rules is usually incredibly lax. Yeah, but why even state rules if you don't follow them. I'm pretty sure what you said is because a person which feels insulted hardly ever informs about that (don't wanna be an outsider). I'm pretty sure that if someone really feels wrong about certain picture/statement and pm forum administration about it, justifying why something feels wrong to them, staff will at least consider taking some actions. While I've only participated in a few dozen of the many many thousands (millions?) of forums that exist on the internet, I can tell you that of that few dozen forums, there is a 0% chance that the Jinro pic that implies he's Jesus would ever incite a ban. As well, I have a hard time imagining that anyone would find the picture offensive to begin with. One of the main christian tenets is to "live like Jesus", and Jinro's act of condolence would be a great example of that, giving great meaning to the picture to any christian who may stumble across it, rather than inciting offense. It is actually the crucifix that symbolizes Christs torments and death being compared to something like MC having his game lost that may concern people a lot more. I see this discussion going nowhere, so it will be wise to end it. Obviously, as I said, everything is a matter of point of view.
You should realize that the crucifix isn't a symbol of torment and death, but rather a reminder of Christ's resurrection. Look around any church and you'll see countless crucifix', pictures of him nailed to the cross, and other such symbols. Christians flocked in DROVES to watch a movie where Jesus is beat up and tortured for an hour and a half on-screen. These images are not offensive to those of Christian faith because they believe, despite all of the horrible treatment, that Jesus was resurrected and as such, the crucifix is now a symbol of that resurrection.
I would suggest that before you decide what is and is not offensive to religious folk in the future, you study up a little bit on what they actually believe.
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On January 15 2011 21:25 raidmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 21:21 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 21:15 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 21:09 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 21:03 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:59 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 20:25 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:14 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 20:04 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:01 nihlon wrote:
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Lol, we are clearly not visiting the same forums then if you think that is ban-worthy on most forums. In fact I have a hard time thinking of one that would outright ban someone for that. It is clearly stated in most of the forums that insult to religion is forbidden (in any form). You probably think what you think because you don't care. But some people do. And because of that forums have rules like that. Where did I write my opinion on the picture? I just said with quite certainty that most forums that I visit wouldn't have a problem with such a picture (pretty much every swedish forum I know of, and quite a few english speaking as well). Can you prove otherwise? I don't have to prove you anything. It is obvious that rules of that exist on "mature" forums just to respect people thoughts and opinions. Why is it so hard to understand? For somebody cursing is inappropriate, for someone else its insulting religion (especially if this person believes in such). This is why regulations exist and why moderatos exist. Can anyone link me a TL regulations? Lol, you are a piece of work. "Mature" forums... Once again I can post the picture on forums that most would consider "mature", whatever that means. You can basically offend anyone no matter what you post. Are you suggesting we banned someone just because a few gets offended? We wouldn't have any kind of discussion that way. Every forum sets a limit and naturally that is connected to what kind of people read and post on said forum. You might have no hesitation of posting a picture of a steak while an indian might get highly offended by a picture of a holy cow served as food. And you were the one claiming that "most" forums would have that picture as bannable while I disagree while offering to give you plenty of proof. But apparently you think you can just throw out a statement as fact and them justify it by saying you don't have to prove anything... If that is your stance please refer from making blatantly incorrect statements in the future. Also not every forum have rules that are directly connected to religion, but rather posting rude, offensive things which is in the eye of the beholder (admins and such). If you don't like that, you must have a terrible time surfing the internet. Ok, so tell me why people got banned for posting those troll pictures few pages before. I'm sure that only "few got offended". If you don't think that people deserve to have rights protecting their believes then my discussion with you is pointless. You just don't understand basic forms of human coexistence. Lol, are you serious? This is a private forum, you have no rights other than what the site owners give you. And there were about of 2 people that raised objections to the religious picture while the rest gave 10+ pages of arguments. That might give you a clue why one was allowed and why one wasn't. If you can't understand that, then you don't get the internet. Once again, are you suggesting we ban everyone that a few find offensive. Yes, with a few I mean a few. And your last sentence is just laughable.... Really? Wow, can you read all my post before posting? I've said at the beginning that I'm comparing that Jinro-Jesus picture and those troll pictures and I'm saying that they both may be insulting for some people. But both had 10+ pages of statements like "GOSU!" (arguments? lmao) and only troll pictures were banned. It's Internet, RIGHT? And can you read what I'm posting? I'm saying it's clear that the troll page pictures had a lot more people objecting to them then the Jesus one. Are you not getting it yet? If you want I can once again offer to give you proof by gathering all pros and cons if you once again feel that you don't need to back up your blatantly wrong statements with proof. A lot of people objecting -> Ban A few people objecting -> No ban. That's how the internet usually works. Once again, do you suggest that we ban everything that a few think is offensive? Ok, give me proof that lot of the people where objecting troll pictures BEFORE admin said they are bad. C'mon, I'm waiting.
So now you are saying people objected just because the admin said so? You are a piece of work...
I know some people objected before the admin because I read the freaking thread. My offer still stand to gather all post pro and con for the pictures but since it's apparent you'll just keep on making up your own little rules so you can win the argument, it would be quite pointless now wouldn't it?
Let me know if you still are interested.
On January 15 2011 21:28 raidmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 21:25 Zihua wrote:It is clearly stated in most of the forums that insult to religion is forbidden (in any form). You probably think what you think because you don't care. But some people do. And because of that forums have rules like that. I've never been on a forum with such a retarded rule. And wouldn't want to be on one. Here's a picture of Jesus, as a cat: =(^-^)= You certainly have shown your intelligence and maturity with this post. Now, are you expecing people to say that you are smart? No, you are not.
And you have turned out be a real Einstein no? Just because you write without cursing doesn't make the things you write more correct (like the thing he quoted).
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You certainly have shown your intelligence and maturity with this post. Now, are you expecing people to say that you are smart? No, you are not.
I was hoping to get some passive aggressive response from someone who thinks the world revolves around their feelings, so mission accomplished.
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On January 15 2011 21:32 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 20:48 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:44 Nemireck wrote:On January 15 2011 20:35 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:30 Nemireck wrote:On January 15 2011 20:25 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:14 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 20:04 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:01 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 19:55 raidmaster wrote:
I don't wanna argue here but for some people the picture above (crucifix etc.) may be an insult to religion and is far worse than those made-in-5-seconds troll images. And as far as I'm concerned such things are ban-worthy for the most of forums. I appreciate the work an author put to create it, but it isn't necessairly better from other images for everyone, just because it required more effort. I'm cool with it, but someone may not. Just sayin. Lol, we are clearly not visiting the same forums then if you think that is ban-worthy on most forums. In fact I have a hard time thinking of one that would outright ban someone for that. It is clearly stated in most of the forums that insult to religion is forbidden (in any form). You probably think what you think because you don't care. But some people do. And because of that forums have rules like that. Where did I write my opinion on the picture? I just said with quite certainty that most forums that I visit wouldn't have a problem with such a picture (pretty much every swedish forum I know of, and quite a few english speaking as well). Can you prove otherwise? I don't have to prove you anything. It is obvious that rules of that exist on "mature" forums just to respect people thoughts and opinions. Why is it so hard to understand? For somebody cursing is inappropriate, for someone else its insulting religion (especially if this person believes in such). This is why regulations exist and why moderatos exist. Can anyone link me a TL regulations? I've never seen a forum that has banned people for such images. There's huge difference between something being listed in the rules, and the rules actually being enforced. So while you may be correct that there is often a rule handling such things, the actual enforcement of such rules is usually incredibly lax. Yeah, but why even state rules if you don't follow them. I'm pretty sure what you said is because a person which feels insulted hardly ever informs about that (don't wanna be an outsider). I'm pretty sure that if someone really feels wrong about certain picture/statement and pm forum administration about it, justifying why something feels wrong to them, staff will at least consider taking some actions. While I've only participated in a few dozen of the many many thousands (millions?) of forums that exist on the internet, I can tell you that of that few dozen forums, there is a 0% chance that the Jinro pic that implies he's Jesus would ever incite a ban. As well, I have a hard time imagining that anyone would find the picture offensive to begin with. One of the main christian tenets is to "live like Jesus", and Jinro's act of condolence would be a great example of that, giving great meaning to the picture to any christian who may stumble across it, rather than inciting offense. It is actually the crucifix that symbolizes Christs torments and death being compared to something like MC having his game lost that may concern people a lot more. I see this discussion going nowhere, so it will be wise to end it. Obviously, as I said, everything is a matter of point of view. You should realize that the crucifix isn't a symbol of torment and death, but rather a reminder of Christ's resurrection. Look around any church and you'll see countless crucifix', pictures of him nailed to the cross, and other such symbols. Christians flocked in DROVES to watch a movie where Jesus is beat up and tortured for an hour and a half on-screen. These images are not offensive to those of Christian faith because they believe that, despite all of the horrible treatment, that Jesus was resurrected and as such, the crucifix is now a symbol of that resurrection. I would suggest that before you decide what is and is not offensive to religious folk in the future, that you study up a little bit on what they actually believe.
If crucifix is only the symbol of resurection then why the hell would he put it in that image? Seriously, I live in a very catolic country (I would say that Canada is not really catholic) and all priest here say that crucifix is not only a symbol of ressurection, but also torments that Christ had to overcome to redeem people.
I would suggest you to learn more about Christianity before you post.
On January 15 2011 21:34 Zihua wrote:Show nested quote +You certainly have shown your intelligence and maturity with this post. Now, are you expecing people to say that you are smart? No, you are not. I was hoping to get some passive aggressive response from someone who thinks the world revolves around their feelings, so mission accomplished.
Congratz. You're even less smart than I thought 
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If crucifix is only the symbol of resurection then why the hell would he put it in that image?
Because it's funny! Your feelings are not as special as you think.
Congratz. You're even less smart than I thought
And you're even more passive aggressive than I thought. The smiley-face completes the image.
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Amazing play LiquidJinro, hope you go and win it as MC did after beating you.
LiquidJinro bringing mech into TvP is awesome, I haven't had this much fun in a TvP ever. Last tournament it was MC bringing some fresh TvP that got him the victory, is this LiquidJinro bringing som fresh TvP and winning?
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Omg just finished watching the games!! Jinro played so good, even in the game vs marineking..
The mech strat will for ever change the matchup so beware protoss guys you are about to enter a new dimension ;D
Congrats TL and Jinro it was very well played! u deserve it!
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On January 15 2011 21:36 raidmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 21:32 Nemireck wrote:On January 15 2011 20:48 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:44 Nemireck wrote:On January 15 2011 20:35 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:30 Nemireck wrote:On January 15 2011 20:25 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:14 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 20:04 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:01 nihlon wrote:
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Lol, we are clearly not visiting the same forums then if you think that is ban-worthy on most forums. In fact I have a hard time thinking of one that would outright ban someone for that. It is clearly stated in most of the forums that insult to religion is forbidden (in any form). You probably think what you think because you don't care. But some people do. And because of that forums have rules like that. Where did I write my opinion on the picture? I just said with quite certainty that most forums that I visit wouldn't have a problem with such a picture (pretty much every swedish forum I know of, and quite a few english speaking as well). Can you prove otherwise? I don't have to prove you anything. It is obvious that rules of that exist on "mature" forums just to respect people thoughts and opinions. Why is it so hard to understand? For somebody cursing is inappropriate, for someone else its insulting religion (especially if this person believes in such). This is why regulations exist and why moderatos exist. Can anyone link me a TL regulations? I've never seen a forum that has banned people for such images. There's huge difference between something being listed in the rules, and the rules actually being enforced. So while you may be correct that there is often a rule handling such things, the actual enforcement of such rules is usually incredibly lax. Yeah, but why even state rules if you don't follow them. I'm pretty sure what you said is because a person which feels insulted hardly ever informs about that (don't wanna be an outsider). I'm pretty sure that if someone really feels wrong about certain picture/statement and pm forum administration about it, justifying why something feels wrong to them, staff will at least consider taking some actions. While I've only participated in a few dozen of the many many thousands (millions?) of forums that exist on the internet, I can tell you that of that few dozen forums, there is a 0% chance that the Jinro pic that implies he's Jesus would ever incite a ban. As well, I have a hard time imagining that anyone would find the picture offensive to begin with. One of the main christian tenets is to "live like Jesus", and Jinro's act of condolence would be a great example of that, giving great meaning to the picture to any christian who may stumble across it, rather than inciting offense. It is actually the crucifix that symbolizes Christs torments and death being compared to something like MC having his game lost that may concern people a lot more. I see this discussion going nowhere, so it will be wise to end it. Obviously, as I said, everything is a matter of point of view. You should realize that the crucifix isn't a symbol of torment and death, but rather a reminder of Christ's resurrection. Look around any church and you'll see countless crucifix', pictures of him nailed to the cross, and other such symbols. Christians flocked in DROVES to watch a movie where Jesus is beat up and tortured for an hour and a half on-screen. These images are not offensive to those of Christian faith because they believe that, despite all of the horrible treatment, that Jesus was resurrected and as such, the crucifix is now a symbol of that resurrection. I would suggest that before you decide what is and is not offensive to religious folk in the future, that you study up a little bit on what they actually believe. If crucifix is only the symbol of resurection then why the hell would he put it in that image? Seriously, I live in a very catolic country (I would say that Canada is not really catholic) and all priest here say that crucifix is not only a symbol of ressurection, but also torments that Christ had to overcome to redeem people. I would suggest you to learn more about Christianity before you post.
Yes, it's also reminder of what he had to overcome before his resurrection, but in the end it's a symbol of that resurrection, more than a symbol of the torture and torment before-hand. While you may live in a very catholic country, I've actually attended weekly church services (and youth group, small groups, bible study get-togethers) for 22 years of my life and, while I'm not personally religious anymore, have a deep understanding of the symbols, and what is or is not offensive to the vast majority of Christian believers. The crucifix in that image is only there to reinforce the idea that Jinro was carrying out a very Jesus-like action.
If you want to dig way deeper than the author ever intended, you can. Lets not forget that he was slaughtered mercilessly by MC in their last match-up, and yet here he is, alive and revived and heading into the ro8 after defeating MC this time around, so you connect the dots.
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Well, at least this is good for Idra. Jinro going down soon.
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On January 15 2011 21:36 raidmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 21:32 Nemireck wrote:On January 15 2011 20:48 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:44 Nemireck wrote:On January 15 2011 20:35 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:30 Nemireck wrote:On January 15 2011 20:25 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:14 nihlon wrote:On January 15 2011 20:04 raidmaster wrote:On January 15 2011 20:01 nihlon wrote:
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Lol, we are clearly not visiting the same forums then if you think that is ban-worthy on most forums. In fact I have a hard time thinking of one that would outright ban someone for that. It is clearly stated in most of the forums that insult to religion is forbidden (in any form). You probably think what you think because you don't care. But some people do. And because of that forums have rules like that. Where did I write my opinion on the picture? I just said with quite certainty that most forums that I visit wouldn't have a problem with such a picture (pretty much every swedish forum I know of, and quite a few english speaking as well). Can you prove otherwise? I don't have to prove you anything. It is obvious that rules of that exist on "mature" forums just to respect people thoughts and opinions. Why is it so hard to understand? For somebody cursing is inappropriate, for someone else its insulting religion (especially if this person believes in such). This is why regulations exist and why moderatos exist. Can anyone link me a TL regulations? I've never seen a forum that has banned people for such images. There's huge difference between something being listed in the rules, and the rules actually being enforced. So while you may be correct that there is often a rule handling such things, the actual enforcement of such rules is usually incredibly lax. Yeah, but why even state rules if you don't follow them. I'm pretty sure what you said is because a person which feels insulted hardly ever informs about that (don't wanna be an outsider). I'm pretty sure that if someone really feels wrong about certain picture/statement and pm forum administration about it, justifying why something feels wrong to them, staff will at least consider taking some actions. While I've only participated in a few dozen of the many many thousands (millions?) of forums that exist on the internet, I can tell you that of that few dozen forums, there is a 0% chance that the Jinro pic that implies he's Jesus would ever incite a ban. As well, I have a hard time imagining that anyone would find the picture offensive to begin with. One of the main christian tenets is to "live like Jesus", and Jinro's act of condolence would be a great example of that, giving great meaning to the picture to any christian who may stumble across it, rather than inciting offense. It is actually the crucifix that symbolizes Christs torments and death being compared to something like MC having his game lost that may concern people a lot more. I see this discussion going nowhere, so it will be wise to end it. Obviously, as I said, everything is a matter of point of view. You should realize that the crucifix isn't a symbol of torment and death, but rather a reminder of Christ's resurrection. Look around any church and you'll see countless crucifix', pictures of him nailed to the cross, and other such symbols. Christians flocked in DROVES to watch a movie where Jesus is beat up and tortured for an hour and a half on-screen. These images are not offensive to those of Christian faith because they believe that, despite all of the horrible treatment, that Jesus was resurrected and as such, the crucifix is now a symbol of that resurrection. I would suggest that before you decide what is and is not offensive to religious folk in the future, that you study up a little bit on what they actually believe. If crucifix is only the symbol of resurection then why the hell would he put it in that image? Seriously, I live in a very catolic country (I would say that Canada is not really catholic) and all priest here say that crucifix is not only a symbol of ressurection, but also torments that Christ had to overcome to redeem people. I would suggest you to learn more about Christianity before you post. Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 21:34 Zihua wrote:You certainly have shown your intelligence and maturity with this post. Now, are you expecing people to say that you are smart? No, you are not. I was hoping to get some passive aggressive response from someone who thinks the world revolves around their feelings, so mission accomplished. Congratz. You're even less smart than I thought
Ummm, I'm too lazy to read this exchange, but what are you guys jabbering about in a Jinro/GSL thread?
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