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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 02:15:16
December 16 2010 02:13 GMT
#41
On December 16 2010 11:06 Subversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 10:11 Zooper31 wrote:
On December 16 2010 10:02 ch33psh33p wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:57 Subversion wrote:
shame Code A tourney has such shitty prizemoney.


Considering its bigger than everything outside of MLG / IEM, its still decent.


Exactly what I thought, but you don't hear anyone complaining about the foreign tournaments.


kind of meant by comparison really. 50 mil for code S, 1.5 mil for Code A. That's a pretty enormous difference.

i mean, Code S gets the same just for showing up that Code A gets for winning the whole thing.


Isn't that kind of the point though, Code S players are supposed to be better than Code A hence why they have their position. Winning Code A should imply you deserve a place in Code S, not that you are better than half the players in it?

As soon as the promotion/relegation system between the groups is in place, those players who perform well in Code A will get a shot at knocking off the players in Code S who underperform. If you manage you'll be Code S and getting that "salary" instead of them, if you don't then the players who remain Code S deserve to be there. You can basically look at top 8 code A as offering you a chance for a further 1.5mil won.

Being a finalist in Code A also allows you to choose your group for those playoffs as an extra perk.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 16 2010 02:13 GMT
#42
On December 16 2010 11:08 McMonty wrote:
this is insane! im so pumped for these tournaments! I wonder when we will see the remaining sc1 people change over to enjoy some of this insanity


I hope not, I like having GSL every month plus OSL plus MSL plus proleague.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
December 16 2010 02:15 GMT
#43
On December 16 2010 11:13 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 11:08 McMonty wrote:
this is insane! im so pumped for these tournaments! I wonder when we will see the remaining sc1 people change over to enjoy some of this insanity


I hope not, I like having GSL every month plus OSL plus MSL plus proleague.

yesterday was crazy, between LRing the group B GSL code A qualifiers, watching the crazy ace-stars match, and all the awesome games in kt-stars. was the best night of starcraft in a long time
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estee
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)449 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 02:16:19
December 16 2010 02:16 GMT
#44
On December 16 2010 11:03 jamesr12 wrote:
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On December 16 2010 11:00 jalstar wrote:
On December 16 2010 10:29 Kazzabiss wrote:
5) Blizzard Cup (1 tournament a year in December) – Invitational
- The top 10 players of the point ranking of that year will play in a play-off type tournament.
- Day 1 : 10th place vs. 9th place, Day 2 : Winner vs. 8th place and so on.
- There will be 1 best of 7 matches a day

So they're trying to give the 1st place player a free tournament win? If I understand this correctly,

10th place player will have to win 9 Best of 7's to win the Tournament (which is ridiculous)
9th place player will have to win 9 Best of 7's to win the tournament
8th place player will have to win 8 Best of 7's to win the Tournament
7th place player will have to win 7 Best of 7's to win the Tournament
(... etc. etc...)
2nd place player will have to win 2 Best of 7's to win the Tournament
1st place player will have to win only 1 Best of 7 to win the Tournament and is guaranteed at least second place.

Or am I not getting it?


Yeah that's pretty bad they should do top 8 single elim Bo7 all the way.


This is an attempt to make the ladder important, basicaly by being near the top of the ladder to make money


Are you referring to B.NET ladder? From the information in the OP, Blizzard Cup will be based off the points ladder of each GSL Tour (season/year). If you were referring to the GSL ladder, please ignore this post


Point Ranking
- Every players start at 0 from the start of 2011.
- Points are given to players after each tournament depending on each players results
- Points are accumulated as the years go by, but for Blizzard Cup and World Championship only the points from that year are applied.



5) Blizzard Cup (1 tournament a year in December) – Invitational
- The top 10 players of the point ranking of that year will play in a play-off type tournament.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
December 16 2010 02:18 GMT
#45
On December 16 2010 11:06 Subversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 10:11 Zooper31 wrote:
On December 16 2010 10:02 ch33psh33p wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:57 Subversion wrote:
shame Code A tourney has such shitty prizemoney.


Considering its bigger than everything outside of MLG / IEM, its still decent.


Exactly what I thought, but you don't hear anyone complaining about the foreign tournaments.


kind of meant by comparison really. 50 mil for code S, 1.5 mil for Code A. That's a pretty enormous difference.

i mean, Code S gets the same just for showing up that Code A gets for winning the whole thing.


Which is how it should be, otherwise there's not as much incentive of being Code S. Also realize that Code A players that "just show up" and fail will have to play again to keep their spot in Code S.

Over time, the cream will rise to the top and this will be an awesome tourney.
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SiCkO_
Profile Joined September 2010
United States481 Posts
December 16 2010 02:25 GMT
#46
i want a real proleague!

oh well, the rest looks awesome so ill let it slide
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Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
1237 Posts
December 16 2010 02:25 GMT
#47
On December 16 2010 11:13 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 11:06 Subversion wrote:
On December 16 2010 10:11 Zooper31 wrote:
On December 16 2010 10:02 ch33psh33p wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:57 Subversion wrote:
shame Code A tourney has such shitty prizemoney.


Considering its bigger than everything outside of MLG / IEM, its still decent.


Exactly what I thought, but you don't hear anyone complaining about the foreign tournaments.


kind of meant by comparison really. 50 mil for code S, 1.5 mil for Code A. That's a pretty enormous difference.

i mean, Code S gets the same just for showing up that Code A gets for winning the whole thing.


Isn't that kind of the point though, Code S players are supposed to be better than Code A hence why they have their position. Winning Code A should imply you deserve a place in Code S, not that you are better than half the players in it?

As soon as the promotion/relegation system between the groups is in place, those players who perform well in Code A will get a shot at knocking off the players in Code S who underperform. If you manage you'll be Code S and getting that "salary" instead of them, if you don't then the players who remain Code S deserve to be there. You can basically look at top 8 code A as offering you a chance for a further 1.5mil won.

Being a finalist in Code A also allows you to choose your group for those playoffs as an extra perk.


Agreed, the reward for winning code A shouldn't be the prizemoney, it should be the fact that you can get into Code-S (being able to hand pick your opposition is a huge advantage)
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
December 16 2010 02:32 GMT
#48
As a second job, being code-a isn't that bad, and Gom provides transportation costs according to Former GSL guys.
You know what I'm talking about
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
December 16 2010 02:34 GMT
#49
Just realised the prize pool for Code S is less than the 2010 GSL seasons, with the champion getting half (~43300 usd) compared to this year (~86600 usd). It's understandable though since there are many other tournaments throughout the year.

Only the Super Tournament has a 2010 GSL-equivalent prize pool.
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PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
December 16 2010 02:34 GMT
#50
Amazing stuff, Super Tournament will be a nice call back to the open seasons. (all this info really needs to be put into one thread somehow, a lot of different threads popping up but they all have important/new stuff on it)
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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
December 16 2010 02:51 GMT
#51
going to be pretty cool following the points total for the Blizzard cup
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
zzaaxxsscd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States626 Posts
December 16 2010 04:32 GMT
#52
yeah, pretty insane...really happy they're doing this

i hope they sell some sort of "$99 yearly ticket" because I'll buy premium at that price, but I'm not sure about paying 12*$20 (240) or 12*$15 (180)
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
December 16 2010 04:42 GMT
#53
Meh. I wish the prize monies for the 'Super Tournament' and 'Code S Tournament' were more in line with the others.
BluePabs
Profile Joined November 2010
United States317 Posts
December 16 2010 04:43 GMT
#54
so the group play for code s is Bo1?
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
December 16 2010 04:45 GMT
#55
On December 16 2010 11:34 netherDrake wrote:
Just realised the prize pool for Code S is less than the 2010 GSL seasons, with the champion getting half (~43300 usd) compared to this year (~86600 usd). It's understandable though since there are many other tournaments throughout the year.

Only the Super Tournament has a 2010 GSL-equivalent prize pool.


Only the super tourney has the equilvalent PLAYER pool, so therefore it makes perfect sense.
secret - never again
nufcrulz
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore934 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 08:01:57
December 16 2010 07:57 GMT
#56
Basically what I get from the Code A Qualification System is this:

1st Season

20 Players Qualified through GSL 2010 Rankings
12 Players Qualified through the Tiebreakers (done, this includes Ret)

2nd Season Onwards

16 Players Qualified from Previous Season
12 + 4 Players from Group B Preliminary Tournament
- 192 Tournament with 4 Foreigners seeded (into later rounds?)
- Koreans are selected based on Ladder Points
- Foreigners can join irrespective of Ladder Points (not counting the 4 seeded foreigners)
- Includes Bottom 16 of Group A from Previous Season (i assume they are also seeded into later rounds)
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
December 16 2010 08:12 GMT
#57
Thanks for the update. I have updated it in my OP in the community news thread.
Does anyone have a screenshot of this?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
December 16 2010 08:25 GMT
#58
Dimaga used to say he wouldn't go to Korea, now i really want him to go and show all those p*ssies how to play MANLY zerg =)

Dimaga Hwaiting
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
December 16 2010 08:39 GMT
#59
That's pretty insane prize money :o I always though there would be few this year but 10 + team tourney is a lot. Looking forward to it
Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 08:47:43
December 16 2010 08:40 GMT
#60
On December 16 2010 10:29 Kazzabiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
5) Blizzard Cup (1 tournament a year in December) – Invitational
- The top 10 players of the point ranking of that year will play in a play-off type tournament.
- Day 1 : 10th place vs. 9th place, Day 2 : Winner vs. 8th place and so on.
- There will be 1 best of 7 matches a day

So they're trying to give the 1st place player a free tournament win? If I understand this correctly,

10th place player will have to win 9 Best of 7's to win the Tournament (which is ridiculous)
9th place player will have to win 9 Best of 7's to win the tournament
8th place player will have to win 8 Best of 7's to win the Tournament
7th place player will have to win 7 Best of 7's to win the Tournament
(... etc. etc...)
2nd place player will have to win 2 Best of 7's to win the Tournament
1st place player will have to win only 1 Best of 7 to win the Tournament and is guaranteed at least second place.

Or am I not getting it?


I think it's okay since it's rewarding the players based on their play over the entire year. If you consider that the 1st ranked player will have won multiple tournaments to get that spot, you can't say that he doesn't deserve it. All 10 players will have already made plenty of money so I don't think that will be too much of an issue. This final tournament will be for a bonus and bragging rights. I think it'll be cool to watch the lower ranked players try to climb to the top to prove that they're the true number one.
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