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Powster
Profile Joined April 2010
United States650 Posts
December 06 2010 19:19 GMT
#3021
I voted hongun and rain.. easy to win just vote against zergs in later rounds and vote for them in early rounds (if they are good). Should have good win loss ratio.. anyway.. PvP final would be dumb.. even though I am hoping for a protoss to win.. pvp is the worst matchup. PvT would be the best.
hitman133
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1425 Posts
December 06 2010 19:22 GMT
#3022
Rain didn't deserved the win, but HongUn definitely did
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
December 06 2010 19:24 GMT
#3023
On December 07 2010 04:22 hitman133 wrote:
Rain didn't deserved the win, but HongUn definitely did


Why? Did he use hacks or cheats? No? Then didn't he win fair and square?

Don't be so self-absorbed to think that pro-gamers have to agree with your idea of what decides a deserved win. Rain did what he needed to win. End of story.
Bal Sofs Tihl
Profile Joined October 2010
United States34 Posts
December 06 2010 19:34 GMT
#3024
I am actually kind of glad that all the Zerg are out because that means I won't have to listen to Artosis gush. However, I also really like when Jinro plays because then Artosis and I get to be on the same side.
And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick: rational thinking; but, when you're good and crazy, ooohoohoohoohoooo, the sky is the limit!
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 19:36:28
December 06 2010 19:35 GMT
#3025
On December 07 2010 04:18 riverkim09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 04:14 t3tsubo wrote:
why don't zergs go back to gas before pool before hatchery for instant speed? That seems to counter a marine scv all-in IMO


Because zerg players have this inherent belief that all sc2 is about is long macro games and they can't bring themselves to think that non-zerg players possibly disagree with their "perfect" gamestyle.

ure saying the race that depends on outmacroing their opponents in order to win cant expand as easily as the races they have to outmacro?
Oh dear that seems like proper balance
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Stratchka
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria165 Posts
December 06 2010 19:38 GMT
#3026
I just finished watching the VODs of today, now I'm depressed. 10 silly games in a row :-(

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riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
December 06 2010 19:41 GMT
#3027
On December 07 2010 04:35 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 04:18 riverkim09 wrote:
On December 07 2010 04:14 t3tsubo wrote:
why don't zergs go back to gas before pool before hatchery for instant speed? That seems to counter a marine scv all-in IMO


Because zerg players have this inherent belief that all sc2 is about is long macro games and they can't bring themselves to think that non-zerg players possibly disagree with their "perfect" gamestyle.

ure saying the race that depends on outmacroing their opponents in order to win cant expand as easily as the races they have to outmacro?
Oh dear that seems like proper balance


So terran and protoss should just let zerg macro up like crazy without doing anything about it? You can still macro as zerg if you can handle the harass.

You're missing the damn point. Terran and Protoss have no right to force an early game onto zerg just as zerg has no right to whine that terran and protoss shouldn't attack them early if the zerg is FE.

BTW, zerg doesn't have to macro. I dont know why you think that.

Also, zerg can expand easier than terrand and protoss. Terran and protss have to spend the ealier minerals getting more the production buildings, rax/gates, the zerg uses the minerals getting a hatchery.

What is your solution to this then? make it illegal for protoss and terran to be able to early pressure a zerg FE?
Shaoling
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden344 Posts
December 06 2010 19:50 GMT
#3028
I dont feel like Fruitdealer played to his potential, so aggressive, it was good on shakuras. And he played solid and good on steppes. but the aggression those other two games sucked. And it was so obivous he wouldnt all in the last game. He did some really bad strategy choiches in my opinion.
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Klamity
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States994 Posts
December 06 2010 19:54 GMT
#3029
nestea didn't exactly play amazingly well in the late game either, especially in that lost temple game. he built such a huge lead and almost squandered it. on xelnaga, all he literally had to do was build the spine a bit back and it can hit the bunker without being targeted, or bringing all of his shit forward to snipe the bunker. it was clear that if he hit the mid game, he would have won.

rain has not impressed me at all and it really annoys me that he's in the RO4. i hope hongun completely stomps him.
Don't believe in yourself, believe in me, who believes in you.
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
December 06 2010 19:55 GMT
#3030
On December 07 2010 04:50 Desutroyah wrote:
I dont feel like Fruitdealer played to his potential, so aggressive, it was good on shakuras. And he played solid and good on steppes. but the aggression those other two games sucked. And it was so obivous he wouldnt all in the last game. He did some really bad strategy choiches in my opinion.


And that's why he lost. He deserved the loss. I honestly don't see the potential in fruitdealer anymore. He's looking more and more like a one-hit wonder.
devilshootsdevil
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada122 Posts
December 06 2010 20:00 GMT
#3031
Well... The only player who's left that deserves to win is Jinro. Please please Jinro win this whole thing with some amazing macro, it would be a shame if any of these cheesy players left won the GSL.
They mostly come at night, mostly...
andrea20
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada441 Posts
December 06 2010 20:03 GMT
#3032
On December 07 2010 04:55 riverkim09 wrote:
I honestly don't see the potential in fruitdealer anymore. He's looking more and more like a one-hit wonder.


Really? With Nestea's loss, FruitDealer has clinched top seed in code S. That's not one-hit, that's consistency. If he were a real one-hit wonder, you wouldn't have seen him in all three GSL opens.

FruitDealer: champion -> ro32 -> ro8
Nestea: ro64 -> champion -> ro8

HongUn can get 2nd seed if he wins: ro8 -> ro64 -> champion (2nd seed because he beat Nestea in head to head)
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
December 06 2010 20:04 GMT
#3033
On December 07 2010 05:00 devilshootsdevil wrote:
Well... The only player who's left that deserves to win is Jinro. Please please Jinro win this whole thing with some amazing macro, it would be a shame if any of these cheesy players left won the GSL.


Why? Cuz he's a foreigner? LOL

Why would a "cheesy" player winning the GSL be a shame? Cuz you don't want it? That maybe true for you but don't be so arrogant that you enforce this on a forum. I might just as well state that only early game pressure players, or "cheesy" players, as you so eloquently put it, have the right to win the GSL. And my opinion is just as valid as yours. Shocking isn't it?
Pl4t0
Profile Joined August 2010
United States103 Posts
December 06 2010 20:04 GMT
#3034
Only 3 terran and 3 protoss left. Jinro has a shot! How amazing would it be, hot off the victory at Dallas, to go off and immediately win the GSL?

On a lesser note, there's no chance that a Zerg can win it :D
"Chess is the greatest game ever made, but Starcraft is a worthy successor."
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
December 06 2010 20:05 GMT
#3035
On December 07 2010 05:03 andrea20 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 04:55 riverkim09 wrote:
I honestly don't see the potential in fruitdealer anymore. He's looking more and more like a one-hit wonder.


Really? With Nestea's loss, FruitDealer has clinched top seed in code S. That's not one-hit, that's consistency. If he were a real one-hit wonder, you wouldn't have seen him in all three GSL opens.

FruitDealer: champion -> ro32 -> ro8
Nestea: ro64 -> champion -> ro8

HongUn can get 2nd seed if he wins: ro8 -> ro64 -> champion (2nd seed because he beat Nestea in head to head)


Not really. If MarineKing wins, he is top seed. What i meant is he won't win the GSL again. Ever.
devilshootsdevil
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada122 Posts
December 06 2010 20:10 GMT
#3036
On December 07 2010 05:04 riverkim09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 05:00 devilshootsdevil wrote:
Well... The only player who's left that deserves to win is Jinro. Please please Jinro win this whole thing with some amazing macro, it would be a shame if any of these cheesy players left won the GSL.


Why? Cuz he's a foreigner? LOL

wall of stupid text


Because I like exciting games that go over the 10 minute mark, which none of these "cheesy" players can provide. It's also entirely my opinion and I'm not enforcing it on anyone so please calm down.
They mostly come at night, mostly...
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
December 06 2010 20:14 GMT
#3037
On December 07 2010 05:10 devilshootsdevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 05:04 riverkim09 wrote:
On December 07 2010 05:00 devilshootsdevil wrote:
Well... The only player who's left that deserves to win is Jinro. Please please Jinro win this whole thing with some amazing macro, it would be a shame if any of these cheesy players left won the GSL.


Why? Cuz he's a foreigner? LOL

wall of stupid text


Because I like exciting games that go over the 10 minute mark, which none of these "cheesy" players can provide. It's also entirely my opinion and I'm not enforcing it on anyone so please calm down.


Alot of MarineKing's games go over 10 minute mark. Or anyone else left for that matter. I don't know if Jinro is that good at macro. Its more like Moon was just bad.
Raine
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada210 Posts
December 06 2010 20:16 GMT
#3038
I watched HongUn/FD vods and imo HongUn deserved the win for sure. I'm surprised how agressive FD was. In game 4 with the never ending buildings I was freaking out so hard. Those voidrays probably had 100 kills on them. HongUn will beat Rain next round for sure.

Damn, 141 in the liquibet, I'd like to thank Hongun, without him I wouldn't be where I am today, and on another note, Nestea shoulda won so I could be top 100.
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 20:18:34
December 06 2010 20:16 GMT
#3039
One of the things that can concern me about cheesy players is their long term viability. Rain is on a really good team and it's not like he pulls his SCVs every game so he could one day start practicing more macro oriented builds(he even said he intended to!) or what look like more stable timing pushes and become really good, but in general I'd say I'm disappointed when I see players 1basing or cheesing a lot because I think one day they'll kinda just fall off the face of the earth.

I don't really think of MarineKing as being cheesy. If he is, that's a weird brand of cheese. He's aggressive and is certainly capable of just going all-in, but in general I see him as someone who knows when to lay off the aggression for a moment and expand. Then go back to being aggressive.
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ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 20:19:57
December 06 2010 20:17 GMT
#3040
Rain DESERVED to win
you guys think SC2 is all about macro games and all, but its about the mix of micro, macro, and all-ins
stop thinking only one-sided -_- micro games are very intensive as well

jeez, not everyone is a macro player
you have those who specialize in timing pushes and all-ins like BBBprime and Rain and you got those who macro macro macro like idra
stop nagging about the matches and appreciate the player's play styles -.-
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