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Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
November 24 2010 07:26 GMT
#2041
If it was me, on Shakuras i would have gone for fast roaches and sent them to the rocks - GuineaPig did not have vision there for quite some time.
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
drtyrm
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6 Posts
November 24 2010 07:26 GMT
#2042
VOD for Ret's match is up.
Samhax
Profile Joined August 2010
1054 Posts
November 24 2010 07:27 GMT
#2043
I'm so pumped for JulyZerg!!! Plz July show us some sauron zerg!
hdkhang
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia183 Posts
November 24 2010 07:27 GMT
#2044
On November 24 2010 16:00 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 15:58 DminusTerran wrote:
On November 24 2010 15:56 On_Slaught wrote:
On November 24 2010 15:53 Severedevil wrote:
On November 24 2010 15:52 On_Slaught wrote:
This is a very similar strat to what Kiwi used against Machine earlier today in the Root Warzone (won't spoil who won that game, but was a nice 40min game everyone should watch).

Kiwi relied on Force Fields to split the hydras so that Void Rays could focus them without being focused themselves. Somewhat different.


True. That is probably a better build tho since FFs are a much better crutch than hoping your opponents macro is down and they can't get out the number of hydras that machine was making.

FF > zealot for that build imo.


FF also cost gas and zeals do not. One of the two you can get early, you can only really afford ff with your void/collo very late game and even then protoss is basically gas starved all game.


With FFs you don't lose as many VRs. Kiwi was fine off just 2 stargates and he was able to get more VRs than GP had in these games. Yes it costs more gas, but he had stalkers and a few zealots tanking so he never lost the sentries or vrs.

It's clearly possible to sustain a VR + sentry army. Kiwi showed us that.


Not to say you are wrong or anything.. I just find it ironic you reference Kiwi when Junwi was the guy who knocked Kiwi out of the qualifiers.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
November 24 2010 07:27 GMT
#2045
On November 24 2010 16:26 Psyclon wrote:
If it was me, on Shakuras i would have gone for fast roaches and sent them to the rocks - GuineaPig did not have vision there for quite some time.


A valid weakness, but it wouldn't be as obvious if you didn't have the entire map revealed to you.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
November 24 2010 07:30 GMT
#2046
On November 24 2010 16:21 kirbynator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 16:19 Critical loss wrote:
On November 24 2010 15:54 cuppatea wrote:
GuineaPig just crushes the guy who beat Kiwikaki in the qualifiers.


GuineaPig 2:0 Junwi

Junwi 2:0 Kiwi



wtf is your point?


This means that GuineaPig will beat Kiwi 4:0 in a bo3
GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-24 07:32:24
November 24 2010 07:30 GMT
#2047
On November 24 2010 16:27 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 16:26 Psyclon wrote:
If it was me, on Shakuras i would have gone for fast roaches and sent them to the rocks - GuineaPig did not have vision there for quite some time.


A valid weakness, but it wouldn't be as obvious if you didn't have the entire map revealed to you.


Also imagine how flustered the zerg player must've been seeing that strategy. In that situation you think about unit compositions first and miss a lot of obvious plays.

edit - I'm curious. The zerg also made the mistake of not scouting his 3rd base. If he had done so correctly, cannons would not have gone up. I wonder how the game would've panned out if the zerg scouted the cannons. 1 extra base makes a world of difference.
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
November 24 2010 07:41 GMT
#2048
Yesssss Ret!!! And damn the random player lost
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4495 Posts
November 24 2010 07:42 GMT
#2049
To all the people suggesting roaches.
Are you aware that GuineaPig scouted at least twice after the initial Probe scout?
He was making sure that Junwi wasn't going roaches and even if he did, he would have been completely fine. He was floating a lot of minerals by not making gateways so defending with cannons would have been easy. I think Spire is the only way to counter this, or at least compete (If your 3rd is denied so much times that is)
hi. big fan.
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
November 24 2010 07:49 GMT
#2050
Yeah, i saw the scouting and i was a bit frustrated that Junwi did not make anything to prevent it. But i don't think that cannons alone could have stopped roaches, especially if started right before the attack. Who knows, i doubt that we will ever see this strat again in this GSL.
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
November 24 2010 07:55 GMT
#2051
side note: trannslated interviews from the first half of the day are now up.
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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-24 08:13:12
November 24 2010 08:10 GMT
#2052
i saw kiwi did that air protoss build earlier in root warzone.
and today we have the guy who defeated kiwi
and he lost to this build.

Kinda wish Kiwi had figured this build earlier.

Although i heard in the root warzone stream earlier that David Kim was in contact with CatZ and asking him whether CatZ had problem with mass protoss air.

I hope nothing happen yet cos it seems everytime Protoss has some cool stuff, they got nerfed too fast. It's good to see some variation.

SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
November 24 2010 08:10 GMT
#2053
this looks like the right thread

LiquidRet is amazing!
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4495 Posts
November 24 2010 08:13 GMT
#2054
On November 24 2010 16:49 Psyclon wrote:
Yeah, i saw the scouting and i was a bit frustrated that Junwi did not make anything to prevent it. But i don't think that cannons alone could have stopped roaches, especially if started right before the attack. Who knows, i doubt that we will ever see this strat again in this GSL.

His scouting, you must understand was at about the time a roach warren should be going up/almost completed. This, and given the very long rush distance he had enough to prepare cannons. You'd be surprised how well cannons do when roaches are forced into a choke, that & high ground cannons would make it pretty much unbreakable. It was a well thought out build, esp for the map.
hi. big fan.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
November 24 2010 08:16 GMT
#2055
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cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
November 24 2010 08:16 GMT
#2056
On November 24 2010 16:55 CanucksJC wrote:
side note: trannslated interviews from the first half of the day are now up.


Wow, awesome that you got them translated so soon. Here's the link for people who don't know:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171013
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
Poopfeast
Profile Joined September 2010
160 Posts
November 24 2010 08:35 GMT
#2057
Hey anyone know why BoxeR's match is withdrawn?
Stream http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Poopfeast
vanTuni
Profile Joined October 2009
389 Posts
November 24 2010 08:36 GMT
#2058
WOW just watched the VOD and Ret sure is a beast at the moment! Great job!
leeznon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States255 Posts
November 24 2010 08:37 GMT
#2059
Can someone respond quickly (before I go to sleep).

Out of the part 2 matches for today, which match is gonna be the most exciting and what are the best players.

(Cause I'm thinking about skipping it and just sleeping until July Zerg).
Zerg=Skill
Hoju
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
November 24 2010 08:43 GMT
#2060
On November 24 2010 17:37 leeznon wrote:
Can someone respond quickly (before I go to sleep).

Out of the part 2 matches for today, which match is gonna be the most exciting and what are the best players.

(Cause I'm thinking about skipping it and just sleeping until July Zerg).


All 4 matches look pretty good, I wouldn't skip any of them. But, if I had to pick one, I'd say oGsMC vs. OdinMvP, not too many PvT in ro64, and I think OdinMvP could upset MC.
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