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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 21 2010 02:12 GMT
#81
Excellent op, thank you.
I hope those bo1 won't be played on crap maps like scrap station ><
WeeKeong
Profile Joined October 2010
United States282 Posts
November 21 2010 02:13 GMT
#82
Hope they make tie breakers for code A to be whether the player took a game off his opponent in his RO64 match, then Artosis might get in.
Hoju
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
November 21 2010 02:34 GMT
#83
On November 21 2010 10:36 Karmond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2010 09:43 Hoju wrote:
I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:

IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.

But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.

So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class.

Even if Clide and Leenock could get Ro16 (Clide actually only needs Ro32), you're forgetting that there's 9 non-Ro8 S-code positions available as Hopetorture has gotten Ro8 twice. Oh and MC is too far behind, MC needs a Ro8 place to get S-code (in the senario you outlined).


Check has already locked up one of those 9 spots, and MC would get S-Class with a ro16 finish. The same goes for Polt and jookToJung. If they got ro16 finishes, they'd have the same amount of points as IdrA or TheWinD if they were to lose in ro64. And we've already proven IdrA and TheWinD will get S-Class even if they lose.
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Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
November 21 2010 02:37 GMT
#84

I like how Code S is very exclusive and the tournament itself is very comprehensive and thorough, while the Code A tourney is very much a crapshoot. This means you'll have the benefit of having a stable roster of the best of the best making up Code-S, while still giving a huge chance for many, many different people to compete at A level.

It's kind of like the best of both worlds, the tournament is very accessible for everyone while at the same time being extremely illustrious and high profile at the very top level.

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Karmond
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia31 Posts
November 21 2010 02:38 GMT
#85
On November 21 2010 11:34 Hoju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2010 10:36 Karmond wrote:
On November 21 2010 09:43 Hoju wrote:
I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:

IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.

But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.

So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class.

Even if Clide and Leenock could get Ro16 (Clide actually only needs Ro32), you're forgetting that there's 9 non-Ro8 S-code positions available as Hopetorture has gotten Ro8 twice. Oh and MC is too far behind, MC needs a Ro8 place to get S-code (in the senario you outlined).


Check has already locked up one of those 9 spots, and MC would get S-Class with a ro16 finish. The same goes for Polt and jookToJung. If they got ro16 finishes, they'd have the same amount of points as IdrA or TheWinD if they were to lose in ro64. And we've already proven IdrA and TheWinD will get S-Class even if they lose.

I think you're confused. MC has 649 points right now, a Ro16 exit would leave him with 1049 points, IdrA currently has 1348 points.
Hoju
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
November 21 2010 02:44 GMT
#86
On November 21 2010 11:38 Karmond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2010 11:34 Hoju wrote:
On November 21 2010 10:36 Karmond wrote:
On November 21 2010 09:43 Hoju wrote:
I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:

IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.

But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.

So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class.

Even if Clide and Leenock could get Ro16 (Clide actually only needs Ro32), you're forgetting that there's 9 non-Ro8 S-code positions available as Hopetorture has gotten Ro8 twice. Oh and MC is too far behind, MC needs a Ro8 place to get S-code (in the senario you outlined).


Check has already locked up one of those 9 spots, and MC would get S-Class with a ro16 finish. The same goes for Polt and jookToJung. If they got ro16 finishes, they'd have the same amount of points as IdrA or TheWinD if they were to lose in ro64. And we've already proven IdrA and TheWinD will get S-Class even if they lose.

I think you're confused. MC has 649 points right now, a Ro16 exit would leave him with 1049 points, IdrA currently has 1348 points.


649 (MC's current points) + 699 (for ro16 finish) = 1348

Or just think about it without points:

IdrA's finishes: ro32, ro16, and ro64 (if he loses)
MC's finishes: ro64, ro32, and potentially ro16
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Karmond
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia31 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-21 02:49:18
November 21 2010 02:48 GMT
#87
On November 21 2010 11:44 Hoju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2010 11:38 Karmond wrote:
On November 21 2010 11:34 Hoju wrote:
On November 21 2010 10:36 Karmond wrote:
On November 21 2010 09:43 Hoju wrote:
I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:

IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.

But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.

So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class.

Even if Clide and Leenock could get Ro16 (Clide actually only needs Ro32), you're forgetting that there's 9 non-Ro8 S-code positions available as Hopetorture has gotten Ro8 twice. Oh and MC is too far behind, MC needs a Ro8 place to get S-code (in the senario you outlined).


Check has already locked up one of those 9 spots, and MC would get S-Class with a ro16 finish. The same goes for Polt and jookToJung. If they got ro16 finishes, they'd have the same amount of points as IdrA or TheWinD if they were to lose in ro64. And we've already proven IdrA and TheWinD will get S-Class even if they lose.

I think you're confused. MC has 649 points right now, a Ro16 exit would leave him with 1049 points, IdrA currently has 1348 points.


649 (MC's current points) + 699 (for ro16 finish) = 1348

Or just think about it without points:

IdrA's finishes: ro32, ro16, and ro64 (if he loses)
MC's finishes: ro64, ro32, and potentially ro16
oh, wait, MC was in GSL 1? I've messed up my spreadsheet then : /
Hoju
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
November 21 2010 02:57 GMT
#88
On November 21 2010 11:48 Karmond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2010 11:44 Hoju wrote:
On November 21 2010 11:38 Karmond wrote:
On November 21 2010 11:34 Hoju wrote:
On November 21 2010 10:36 Karmond wrote:
On November 21 2010 09:43 Hoju wrote:
I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:

IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.

But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.

So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class.

Even if Clide and Leenock could get Ro16 (Clide actually only needs Ro32), you're forgetting that there's 9 non-Ro8 S-code positions available as Hopetorture has gotten Ro8 twice. Oh and MC is too far behind, MC needs a Ro8 place to get S-code (in the senario you outlined).


Check has already locked up one of those 9 spots, and MC would get S-Class with a ro16 finish. The same goes for Polt and jookToJung. If they got ro16 finishes, they'd have the same amount of points as IdrA or TheWinD if they were to lose in ro64. And we've already proven IdrA and TheWinD will get S-Class even if they lose.

I think you're confused. MC has 649 points right now, a Ro16 exit would leave him with 1049 points, IdrA currently has 1348 points.


649 (MC's current points) + 699 (for ro16 finish) = 1348

Or just think about it without points:

IdrA's finishes: ro32, ro16, and ro64 (if he loses)
MC's finishes: ro64, ro32, and potentially ro16
oh, wait, MC was in GSL 1? I've messed up my spreadsheet then : /


Ya, he used his full name, JangMinChul as his ID in GSL 1 and lost in ro64 to PoltPrime. Here's my spreadsheet if you want. (I think I've gotten rid of all the mistakes) https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AnxzFGuL2Vx8dHBnTS1jV2VmeE5SeWlNbEZlWGd2dnc&hl=en&authkey=COGz4_oF
www.TheInfestedArchon.com - SC2 Satire
Karmond
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia31 Posts
November 21 2010 03:04 GMT
#89
Ok fixed mine,

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtKN0Ik-QUtEdGs5VnZmUm03aTNFUGlYQURCNEthSGc&authkey=CNT9lp8D

:p
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
November 21 2010 07:23 GMT
#90
Here's yet another spreadsheet of mine.

Link

BTW, I see some spreadsheets with Genius on NsP team. This is incorrect since he is still in ZeNex team while being a member of NsP clan.
roosten
Profile Joined August 2010
125 Posts
November 21 2010 19:41 GMT
#91
Thanks for all the info guys. Not sure how I feel about the bo1s, but I'll hold off on any criticism until I better understand how it's going to work out.
Hoju
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
November 21 2010 20:28 GMT
#92
On November 21 2010 16:23 NHY wrote:
Here's yet another spreadsheet of mine.

Link

BTW, I see some spreadsheets with Genius on NsP team. This is incorrect since he is still in ZeNex team while being a member of NsP clan.


Ya, I thought that was the case with Genius, but he's using the NsP tag on his ID, so it's still a little confusing.

Nice sheet, btw, lots of information. I didn't realize that TheBestfOu was the same player as KangJiYoung from Season 2. TLPD doesn't have that listed correctly, but gomtv.net proves it. You might want to put the english version of the IDs that are in Hongul in the AKA column so people can find those players easier.
www.TheInfestedArchon.com - SC2 Satire
TheWoodLeagueAllstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
November 21 2010 20:40 GMT
#93
For people like Huk, how do they go about getting code A/S now? Is it through the ladder tournament?
Bunker rushing is the way to a mans heart <3
biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
November 21 2010 22:49 GMT
#94
On November 21 2010 11:37 Wargizmo wrote:

I like how Code S is very exclusive and the tournament itself is very comprehensive and thorough, while the Code A tourney is very much a crapshoot. This means you'll have the benefit of having a stable roster of the best of the best making up Code-S, while still giving a huge chance for many, many different people to compete at A level.

It's kind of like the best of both worlds, the tournament is very accessible for everyone while at the same time being extremely illustrious and high profile at the very top level.



This sums up my thoughts perfectly, we'll get to watch a roster of SC2 superstars and still have open tournament for newcomers entrance. Let's hope that the execution of this tournament works as it would be on paper.
Karmond
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia31 Posts
November 21 2010 23:01 GMT
#95
On November 22 2010 05:40 Frack wrote:
For people like Huk, how do they go about getting code A/S now? Is it through the ladder tournament?
I assume he has to qualify for one of the 32 'open' positions of the A tournament. Then, within the A tournament getting as far as the round of 8 to qualify for the Up and Down Match. If he beats his opponent in the Up and Down Match he then obtains Code S.
powerdawg96
Profile Joined November 2010
United States129 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-21 23:09:17
November 21 2010 23:03 GMT
#96
so Sen will have to beat Nestea on RO32 and Maka on RO16 to get code S . That's a tough bracket he's in.

edit: nvm it was under the dot lines thought it was 2nd post heh
TymerA
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands759 Posts
November 21 2010 23:04 GMT
#97
On November 21 2010 11:12 MrCon wrote:
Excellent op, thank you.
I hope those bo1 won't be played on crap maps like scrap station ><

IMHO i don't like bo1 at all. Match can be decided with a single cheese...
nice.
Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
November 21 2010 23:12 GMT
#98
Awesome stuff. Thank you so much for this
asdfg
sihyunie
Profile Joined June 2008
United States108 Posts
November 22 2010 00:37 GMT
#99
Remember that the formats for 2011 GSL is not final. It's on their website as their plan for the tournament and they may stick with it, but may be they will change it. Remember that they will have to run both Code S and Code A in a month as well as qualifiers in between, so they may want to speed through Code A tournament which has bigger pool of players.
Karmond
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia31 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 01:57:32
November 22 2010 01:51 GMT
#100
On November 22 2010 09:37 sihyunie wrote:
Remember that they will have to run both Code S and Code A in a month as well as qualifiers in between, so they may want to speed through Code A tournament which has bigger pool of players.
Which is kinda why they're doing Bo1's for the initial rounds of the tournament. Right now for the GSL preseason they're doing 10-15 games a night, that could easily translate into 11 matches a night for the A tournament Ro64, 8 Matches a night for the Ro32, and 8 Matches a night for the Ro16.
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