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I haven't seen this posted anywhere on TL, so here it is.
GomTV made an official announcement of how S Code is determined.
Here is a rough translation by me.
Original: http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/view.gom?m=community&msgid=4585&c=all&p=1
I also included more information about GSL 2011
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Hello.
We have a pretty good idea as to who will be participating in the next year's Code S tournament after two tourmanents.
Also, there are few players whose Cose S will be determined by this last one.
First, players who have Code S clinched for 2011.
Zerg : FruitDealer, NesTea, Zenio, Kyrix, Check - 5 Players
Terran : Rainbow (Hopetorture), MarineKing (Boxer/Fauxer), Ensnare, Boxer (SlayersBoxer), LiveForever, Maka, Nada - 7 Players
Protoss : Inca, Genius, HongUn, sSKS - 4 Players
After these players are
1. 1049 points so far
Idra, TheWind, sanZenith
2. 998 points
LegalMind, Clide, Hyperdub
3. 679 points
Jooktojung, PoltPrime, Zandarke, TLO, Bleach, MC
In the group 1, Idra and TheWind are in GSL3 and they just need to get to ro32 to get Code S.
sanZenith didn't qualify for GSL3, so he cannot guarantee Code S on his own, but he has a lot of other possibilities. (The best case scenario is for no change at the top and most of current ro16 players to make it that far again.)
Even if Idra and TheWind lose at ro64, other things must go wrong way for them to not get Code S (all 8 new players in ro8 taking 8 more Code S, group 2 and 3 all make to ro16, on top of them losing at ro64). If any one of those work out, they will get Code S. On top of that, even in the worst case scenario, one of the 2 will get Code S.
In the group 2, Clide and Hyperdub can guarantee Code S by getting to ro32 as well. Otherwise, the case is pretty similar to group 1 and they require the worst case scenario to not get the Code S.
Group 3 has a rough road ahead. The only way to guarantee Code S is to get to ro8 for the automatic Code S. If they only make to ro16, they are still the front runners, but they can still miss out in the worst case scenarios.
To summarize, to get Code S,
Group 1 = ro32
Group 2 = ro32 + a bit of luck
Group 3 = ro16 + a bit of luck
Group 1 + GSL3 ro64 = 1348 points
Group 2 + GSL3 ro32 = 1348 points
Group 3 + GSL3 ro16 = 1348 points
It would be important for these players to get together and have no new faces in ro8 and get an automatic placement into Code S.
On the other hand, new players to GSL can only get Code S by getting to ro8.
For those players who were in ro32 in one of previous GSLs (Rain, coreZenith, NexLine, MVP), they still have a chance if they get to ro16 and players in group 3 don't make it out of ro64.
There are other possibilities, so if you are interested, you can check them out yourself!
Thank you.
Place Points Prize
1st 7000 100M Won
2nd 4000 30M
ro4 2500 10M
ro8 1500 4M
ro16 699 2M
ro32 350 0.5M
ro64 299 0.3M
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GSL 2011
- GSL - The Main tournament with 32 S Code players and 64 A Code players
- World Championship - Top 4 players in Korea, EU, NA, and Chinese servers will play 16 player tournament
- Ladder Tournament - Tournament for Top 200 players on Battlenet (quarterly?) and after online qualifiers, there will be 16 player double elimination tournament
- Blizzard Cup - Top 8 players determine by the full year season will play best of 5 playoff (when they say playoff, it usually means something like what proleague and korea baseball league does) to determine the year's best player.
From their original advertisement months ago, the schedule for 2011 goes like this.
Jan: GSL
Feb: Ladder Tournament
Mar: GSL
April: GSL
May: Ladder Tournament
June: World Championship
July: GSL
Aug: Ladder Tournament
Sept: GSL
Oct: World Championship
Nov: Ladder Tournament
Dec: Blizzard Cup
Code S
1. Top 32 players from 2010 GSL will be placed into 8 groups of 4 each.
2. Each group will determine 1st ~ 4th places via "GSL Method" (probably full round robin?)
3. 1st and 2nd place of each group will move onto ro16.
4. 4th place finishers of each group will be placed into "Up and Down Match"
5. 16 players from #3 above will be placed into 4 groups of 4 each.
6. Each group will determine top 2 players via "GOMTV League Method" (don't know how this differs from GSL Method"
7. 8 players will go through "cross tournament" (this just means they will put 1st places against 2nd places to fill out the bracket) to determine the winner.
8. Top 8 players will have seed for the next tournament (will be put into different groups for ro32 next season probably, and will have something similar to group selection OSL and MSL uses)
9. Each group stage will be Bo1, Ro8 is Bo3, Ro4 Bo5, and the Finals is Bo7.
Code A
1. 64 player tournament
2. Ro64 ~ Ro16 will be Bo1, Ro8 ~ Finals will be Bo3
3. Top 32 players will have right to remain in Code A tournament.
4. Bottom 32 players will have to go through the qualifiers to play in the next Code A tournament.
5. Top 8 players will be placed into "Up and Down Match"
Up and Down Match
1. Code S bottom 8 and Code A top 8 will play.
2. Code S player will play against a Code A player.
3. Code A winner and runner up will have a right to pick their opponents in order.
4. Remaining 12 players will be determine the match up by random drawing.
5. Winners in the Up and Down Match will be in the next Code S and losers in the Code A.
6. All matches will be Bo5.
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Thanks for the translation!
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Thanks a lot! As predicted, Idra looks to be a shoe-in for Code S, so we'll have at least 1 foreigner there! Hopefully some of the other foreigners can make Ro8 this GSL, though they look to have really hard opponents past the first or or two rounds :/. Ret is probably the best bet for another Code S foreigner.
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Damn TLO you fool, what do you want back home? You could have reached s-Class pretty easy...
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Thanks for the info. There was speculation as to whether Check got code S, glad to see he did. Nice to see Tester also has a spot.
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Thanks for the translation , good news for Idra , I hope Jinro and Ret manage to get code S as well (it's going to be hard I know )
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check had Code S by going to ro16 2 times right? i don't recall him being in ro8
TLO practically had a very good /realistic chance to get into Code S because a lot of people above him did not qualify (Loner,Lotze,Sangho,Top,JooktoJung ,Rexxandark)
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So someones gonna get tlos spot, other than that barring upsets s ranks are basically locked?
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Idra is so damn close.
Would be amazing if a foreigner was competing in Code S.
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man what a shame sanZenith is not guaranteed a spot, his performance in GSL #2 alone is worthy of an S-class spot haha
more seriously though, gz to IdrA
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Idra's almost in for sure, good for him. Interested to see how all of this Code S and A stuff will work next season. Will it be a separate tournament or is it just the seeding? Anyone if anything for sure has been released about this.
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No it's not locked at all.Anyone new who got into top 8 will get into S class.
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oh btw guys
now that we know how many points each player we can figure out how many points each finish is worth.
time to bring forth the big bad calculater!
edit: nvm its obvious lol
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No you don't need the calculater , it's in the post:
Place Points Prize
1st 7000 100M Won
2nd 4000 30M
ro4 2500 10M
ro8 1500 4M
ro16 699 2M
ro32 350 0.5M
ro64 299 0.3M
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oo why do you need to do that. they told u above.
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if i understand their structure correctly, Code S and Code A will be separate 32 and 64 player tournament respectively. Code S will have full round robin ro32 and ro16 and a tournament format after that. They said players will be able to move up from Code A to Code S, but they didn't say exactly how. It isn't even clear if players will be able to move during a full year season (which has 5 regular tournaments and bunch of other event tournaments and finishes the year with "Blizzard Cup").
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i didnt even know there would be a Code S tournament..
We have a pretty good idea as to who will be participating in the next year's Code S tournament after two tourmanents.
is this seperate from the GSL? or would it take the place of a GSL etc?..
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On November 20 2010 07:13 lim1017 wrote:
i didnt even know there would be a Code S tournament..
We have a pretty good idea as to who will be participating in the next year's Code S tournament after two tourmanents.
is this seperate from the GSL? or would it take the place of a GSL etc?..
This IS the GSL. The 3 tournaments so far are just to determine qualifiers for the main GSL season (which will be code S & A tournaments as well as other event like blizzard cup)
in other words,
-2010 : Starcraft 2 Open seasons 1, 2, 3
-2011 : GSL (the REAL tournament)
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I foresee some crazy numbercrunching in this thread, lol.
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I'm somewhat concerned for IdrA as he is playing a Protoss and the second map is Steppes of War.
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On November 20 2010 07:37 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned for IdrA as he is playing a Protoss and the second map is Steppes of War.
He (at least at one time) considered sp toss favored as well  still, I have faith that a ro64 toss can't take idra
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SangHo is going to be a big loss for the small code S Protoss field, unless they allow moveups midseason.
..and in retrospect, I'm saddened foreigners didn't jump more quickly to participate in GSL1 and GSL2 qualifiers. With earlier and multiple tries we would've had a much better showing overall. Now the newcomers have to place in the top 8...HuK didn't even make it :'(
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On November 20 2010 07:04 sihyunie wrote:
if i understand their structure correctly, Code S and Code A will be separate 32 and 64 player tournament respectively. Code S will have full round robin ro32 and ro16 and a tournament format after that. They said players will be able to move up from Code A to Code S, but they didn't say exactly how. It isn't even clear if players will be able to move during a full year season (which has 5 regular tournaments and bunch of other event tournaments and finishes the year with "Blizzard Cup").
Say what. Where did you get that info. How are you supposed to do a round robin with 32 players. Do you mean group stages. And isn't Gom's philosophy all about the single elimination bracket tournaments.
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Yeah, by round robin, I meant group stages. This information was available when GomTV first made the announcement about the tournament. So they can change their minds and change things up if they want.
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On November 20 2010 07:43 theqat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 07:37 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned for IdrA as he is playing a Protoss and the second map is Steppes of War. He (at least at one time) considered sp toss favored as well still, I have faith that a ro64 toss can't take idra
Yeah I am confused though as to why he says that map will be toss favored I think he's got 1 good map (shakuras plateau) and 2 shitty maps (steppes/jungle). He's gonna have to play really good to beat him!
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very useful info -- thank you!
will be checking back after we see who gets cut for Ro32
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On November 20 2010 07:37 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned for IdrA as he is playing a Protoss and the second map is Steppes of War.
Keep in mind that he not only has to lose, but the tournament has to be entirely turned upside down for him to not get S code. He clinches his spot with a Ro32 appearance, but he's practically guaranteed S code unless the universe hates him. I can guarantee there will be repeat players in this season's Ro8. IdrA has secured S code; he only has to worry about doing well this season now.
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I've posted the rankings with GSL 3 points (the minimum they will earn) taken into account: http://sc2spectator.blogspot.com/2010/11/s-class-rankings.html
There are still 18 players who could end up being #1 overall in points by the end up GSL 3. Presumably these points will be used for seeding in 2011, so there's still plenty of reason to fight (as if money and pride weren't reason enough).
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e: actually I'm not going to bother
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I think this GSL will be completely different with another winner, the only players i count on are Foxer and Hopetorture to reach ro8, the rest will be random. Idra really needs to win his next match.
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Thank you very much.
Now we can link this thread the next 598415 times somebody asks: "What is S-class"
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Nice that Check is already S officially (even though he was the most ahead with 2 Ro16s).
I know this has probably been discussed, but does this mean essentially no more foreigners can participate in GSL now? For new foreigners, they won't count for Code S/A tournaments...and there is pretty much no way they can make Top32 in KR Ladder to qualify to fight Code As correct?
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On November 21 2010 02:47 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Nice that Check is already S officially (even though he was the most ahead with 2 Ro16s).
I know this has probably been discussed, but does this mean essentially no more foreigners can participate in GSL now? For new foreigners, they won't count for Code S/A tournaments...and there is pretty much no way they can make Top32 in KR Ladder to qualify to fight Code As correct?
We don't know whether they are using the KR ladder.
It is likely they are using the overall Top 32. If they didn't, there would be a HUGE foreign backlash.
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nice, idra is pretty much in
thats awesome for him, he deserves it
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The prize money will be huge I guess ?
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Am I the only one excited about the Up and Down matches? I like how Code A tournament winner and runner-up get to choose their opponent. It'll certainly be very interesting to see how it works out.
Looks like it will be very hard to reach Code S if you don't qualify for Code A this pre-season, let alone Code S. GO TEAMLIQUID! secure your spots now! And good luck Huk next year, you'll need it lol it'll be incredibly hard
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No Toriko, I agree. I freaking LOVE the 2011 setup. It helps grow the sport by preserving top names - have to suck for awhile to move from S-class to out in the cold - but it also provides plenty of opportunity for new players to break into the pro-scene. Each A-class tournament will see half the A-class players drop to qualifiers? That's 32 spots to fight for each A-class tourney. Spots foreigners can fight for  . I'd prefer that it was also 50% of S class that had to go to the Up-or-Down matches, but I can understand why it was less.
The good news is that even though foreigners aren't going to be jumping into the S-class scene en masse, they're not horribly penalized by not entering the rankings this year. I'm assuming (and hoping) that there will be more than one A-class tourney each year.
Also, this makes the Ro64 for Seaons 3 GSL Open VERY INTERESTING, because I think each winner is pretty much guaranteed to make A-class, but the losers not so much so. (I heard that Torch was picked up by Startale because Season 1 Ro64 is valued a point above Season 2 and 3 Ro64, so he will almost certainly get A-class.
And of course, MORE TLO speculation. Will he fly in for A-class tournaments but not live in Korea? Will his spot go to someone else. I hope the former but suspect the latter...
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I think the rule of you needing to be Top 32 on ladder to (potenttially) get A-class is a bit stupid as most of those spots will probably belong to the current S- and A-class players making it ridiuclously hard to get there.
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On November 21 2010 03:20 Mise wrote:
I think the rule of you needing to be Top 32 on ladder to (potenttially) get A-class is a bit stupid as most of those spots will probably belong to the current S- and A-class players making it ridiuclously hard to get there.
I'm hoping that it's Top 32 players outside of those already in an A or S class position.
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hope IdrA can get in at least. thx for this clarification
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I hope Moon gets far enough to qualify for it.
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They said the bottom 32 will have to go through qualifiers to keep code-A. Im hoping they have open qualifiers so our foreigners dont need to be top on the ladder to be able to challenge.
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I just realized Nada did not qualify. wtf.
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On November 21 2010 03:44 Zaka wrote:I just realized Nada did not qualify. wtf.
What ? he has S code he made it, unless you mean GSL 3
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I think Promotion/Relegation is a much better name than Up and Down.
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IdrA's gotta be feeling pretty mad at the moment xD Hopefull he gets it now.
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yeah, maybe the code-A and top KR ladder players favorable seeding in the qualifiers, and it is open for the rest. That would be hard as hell to get through, but still decently fair for a really good foreigner to try.
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I'm concerned about the code A tourney. 32 qualifiers out of 64 is fantastic, however making RO64, RO32, and RO16 all BO1 just plain sucks. I'm afraid those will be full of cheese, and thus, be boring to watch. I can understand airtime restrictions, but if that's causing the issue I'd rather have only 16 seeded A class players, and then pull 16 from qualifiers...that way you can do BO3s.
I love the up and down tournament, winners from the bottom being able to choose their opponents is a nice touch. And the format for Code S looks great too.
I'm just concerned that the code a tourney is going to be too luck-based for the best foreigners to crack into the scene...they might rig brackets for popular BW vets that crossover, but foreigners?
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So I understand that Code S can (after these initial tournaments) only be aquired by Code A players who win against Code S players in this Up and Down Tournament. Obviously the Beaten Code S players become Code A. So how do you drop out of Code A and who takes their place? Is it through the Ladder and Worldchampionship? If so Code A and Code S players HAVE to be excluded? Still not 100 percent clear, but thanks for the info, been looking for that information for months 
btw this doesn't make sense:
+ Show Spoiler +Code S
1. Top 32 players from 2010 GSL will be placed into 8 groups of 4 each.
2. Each group will determine 1st ~ 4th places via "GSL Method" (probably full round robin?)
3. 1st and 2nd place of each group will move onto ro16.
4. 4th place finishers of each group will be placed into "Up and Down Match"
5. 16 players from 3 will be placed into 4 groups of 4 each.
6. Each group will determine top 2 players via "GOMTV League Method" (don't know how this differs from GSL Method"
7. 8 players will go through "cross tournament" (this just means they will put 1st places against 2nd places to fill out the bracket) to determine the winner.
8. Top 8 players will have seed for the next tournament (will be put into different groups for ro32 probably, and will have something similar to group determination OSL and MSL uses)
9. Each group stage will be Bo1, Ro8 is Bo3, Ro4 Bo5, and the Finals is Bo7.
Number 5: 16 players from 3 will be placed into 4 groups of 4 each. If it's 32 Code S players then 3rd Place from the 8 groups will be 8 players, not 16. I'm confused.
In addition Number 8: How can they be put into ro32 when ro16 is already completely filled with the top 16 Code-S players?
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On November 21 2010 02:47 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Nice that Check is already S officially (even though he was the most ahead with 2 Ro16s).
I know this has probably been discussed, but does this mean essentially no more foreigners can participate in GSL now? For new foreigners, they won't count for Code S/A tournaments...and there is pretty much no way they can make Top32 in KR Ladder to qualify to fight Code As correct?
Wha? Where did you get the idea that they will use the KR ladder as the qualifier? The top 200 ladder tournament mentioned in the OP is completly seperate from the GSL.
I assumed the qualifiers for code A would be the same as they were for GSL3. Although admittedly, they weren't specific about it.
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I updated the original post with few more info on 2011 schedule. If you have any questions, please post here and I'll see if I can find out about it.
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On November 20 2010 06:48 supersoft wrote:
Damn TLO you fool, what do you want back home? You could have reached s-Class pretty easy...
Getting his carpal tunnel syndrome treated.
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Group stage for Code S is Bo1? That's just stupid.
During a Bo1 anything can happen.....
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On November 21 2010 04:47 Mioraka wrote:
Group stage for Code S is Bo1? That's just stupid.
During a Bo1 anything can happen.....
I don't know, BoX round robins would take ages.
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On November 21 2010 04:38 TzTz wrote:So I understand that Code S can (after these initial tournaments) only be aquired by Code A players who win against Code S players in this Up and Down Tournament. Obviously the Beaten Code S players become Code A. So how do you drop out of Code A and who takes their place? Is it through the Ladder and Worldchampionship? If so Code A and Code S players HAVE to be excluded? Still not 100 percent clear, but thanks for the info, been looking for that information for months btw this doesn't make sense: + Show Spoiler +Code S
1. Top 32 players from 2010 GSL will be placed into 8 groups of 4 each.
2. Each group will determine 1st ~ 4th places via "GSL Method" (probably full round robin?)
3. 1st and 2nd place of each group will move onto ro16.
4. 4th place finishers of each group will be placed into "Up and Down Match"
5. 16 players from 3 will be placed into 4 groups of 4 each.
6. Each group will determine top 2 players via "GOMTV League Method" (don't know how this differs from GSL Method"
7. 8 players will go through "cross tournament" (this just means they will put 1st places against 2nd places to fill out the bracket) to determine the winner.
8. Top 8 players will have seed for the next tournament (will be put into different groups for ro32 probably, and will have something similar to group determination OSL and MSL uses)
9. Each group stage will be Bo1, Ro8 is Bo3, Ro4 Bo5, and the Finals is Bo7.
Number 5: 16 players from 3 will be placed into 4 groups of 4 each. If it's 32 Code S players then 3rd Place from the 8 groups will be 8 players, not 16. I'm confused. In addition Number 8: How can they be put into ro32 when ro16 is already completely filled with the top 16 Code-S players?
16 players from 3 means from step 3, i.e. the 1st and 2nd place players from each group.
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ro64-ro16 in Code A is bo1? The first round is the one which gets you potentially kicked out of code A altogether too. Pretty high stakes bo1 for the players involved.
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Bo1 for group stage is stupid thought.
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On November 21 2010 05:20 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Bo1 for group stage is stupid thought.
I presume they will do something similar to OSL and MSL, so either play everyone else in the group once to determine the ranking, or do the "one-day dual tournament." It's not Bo1 single elimination tournament, so it won't be so bad.
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On November 21 2010 05:07 yoshi_yoshi wrote:
ro64-ro16 in Code A is bo1? The first round is the one which gets you potentially kicked out of code A altogether too. Pretty high stakes bo1 for the players involved.
Damn, one could just cheese his way to top 16..
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On November 21 2010 04:38 TzTz wrote:So I understand that Code S can (after these initial tournaments) only be aquired by Code A players who win against Code S players in this Up and Down Tournament. Obviously the Beaten Code S players become Code A. So how do you drop out of Code A and who takes their place? Is it through the Ladder and Worldchampionship? If so Code A and Code S players HAVE to be excluded? Still not 100 percent clear, but thanks for the info, been looking for that information for months
Ok, first the ladder and world tournaments are seperate from the GSL. Guessing that ladder will be some kind of top 200, and world champ would be invite.
It's the GSL we have solid info on. One GSL season has 3 tournaments: 1 Code S tournament, 1 Code A tournament, and one Up-or-down tournament (which is really more of a collection of showmatches that move people to & from S class.
Path to S Class:
Ok assume you're a brand new entrant into the GSL2011.
Begin Code A tournament
1. You must obtain 1 of 32 spots in the Code A tournament via qualifiers open to anybody.
2. RO64: BO1. Win, and you advance, and you don't need to requalify for Code A next season. (yes, this means you can cheese your way to A class) Lose, and you'll need to re-qualify.
3. RO32: BO1. Winner advances.
4. RO16: BO1. Winner advances and gains a spot in the up-and-down match later that season. (Yes, this means that you can potentially cheese your way into getting a shot at S class)
5. RO8: BO3. Winner advances.
6. RO4: BO3. Winner advances.
7. Finals: BO3. Winner gets 1st pick in the Up-or-down tournament later that season. Loser gets 2nd pick.
Begin Up-and-down tournament
1. If you won the Code A tournament, pick one of the 8 S-class players also in the Up-and-down tournament. Defeat your opponent in a BO5, you become Code S next season, and your opponent becomes Code A. Lose, and you're still guarenteed Code A next season, but your opponent stays Code S.
2. If you were the runner up in the Code A tournament, you get to choose any other Code S opponent to fight for title, just like #1 with same ramifications.
3 The other 6 Code A players are each randomly paired against a Code S player in the tournament. BO5s, everything else the same.
End Up-and-down tornament.
Then, the NEXT GSL, you get to participate in the Code S tourney. This means that sequentially, both the Code A and Code S tournaments must happen before the up-and-down tournament.
Begin Code S tournament:
1. Group play/round robin?: 8 groups of 4, each match a BO1. Whoever places 4th in each group drops down to the up-and-down tourney later this season. 3rd in group doesn't advance, but is guarenteed Code S next season. 1st and 2nd in group advance to RO16.
2. Group play/round robin?: 4 groups of 4, each match a BO1. Top 2 in group advance, and will be seeded next season against possible newcomers.
3. RO 8 play: Each 2nd-in-group faces another groups 1st-in-group. BO3, winner advances.
4. RO4 play: BO5, winners advance.
5. Finals: BO7
End Code S tournament.
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There is no mathematical possibility for enough people to get above Idra and TheWind. So dont worry Idra is S-class.
For Clide and Hyperdub:
It is close to impossible for them to not get S-class. Only scenario (if i counted this right) for them to miss S-class would be if 8 guys currently far down the ranking claimed all top 8 spots. AND... anypro Leenock jookToJung Polt and MC all have to get top 16. THEN Clide and Hyperdub will have to fight for the last S-class spot.
So im sure we will see Cliiiiide get S-class.
For Jinro/Haypro/Ret/Sen :
Top 8 automaticly gets them S-class. But there is another possibility.
They would have to reach top 16 and have to play some kind of tie-break with; Lotze, TOP, Loner and SangHo + any others that play their first GSL and reach top 16.
But these are the requirements for this to be possible. Only 3 players in these lists below can reach the round above to their name:
Require ro32:
mvp
Rain
CoreJJang
Require ro16:
JSL
Junw
Aya
Banbanssu
Bless
ButterflyEffect
choya
GuineaPig
Require ro8:
syj
Vines
Sen
LittleBoy
Sleep
Golden
Rache
BoogieBoy
DreamizEr
Libero
NewDawn
BitByBit
HayprO
Tosyad
Sc
TheBest
Naya
Ret
Cyrano
Line
gumiho
Monster
Max
July
aLive
Joon
Jinro
Drug
Liberty
Choa
Annyung
Destination
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To clarify. The lists are the round required for any 3 of those players to make it impossible for anyone to reach S-class with only a top 16 placement.
Would suck if i missed something and this was all wrong
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Thanks for the translation. I hope idra gets code S
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Not only will Idra get Code S. He will also be the Blizzard cup champion. You heard it here first.
Also, holy fuck GOM blizzard is awesome. A tournament nearly every month! Amazing!
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Thanks so much for translating this. What I think is great is that it does look like there is an opportunity to 'break into' A-class and S-class every single GSL. So if TLO or any of the others that end up in A-class do well in January's group A tournament they'd have a chance to bump up to S-class. I think GOM has a good balance between allowing new players a chance while helping the established players stick around (because it would suck if the tournament was set up so that if HopeTorture or someone lost to cheese once to some newbie, they'd be out).
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I really like these rules, GSL is going to be very interesting. I wonder how high the prize money difference between A and S-tournament is going to be, though.
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Bo1 outside of a group stage and a bo3 finals turns A-Class into Cheese-Class :\
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Good work man this was really helpful info
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2010 06:11 RoboBob wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 04:38 TzTz wrote:So I understand that Code S can (after these initial tournaments) only be aquired by Code A players who win against Code S players in this Up and Down Tournament. Obviously the Beaten Code S players become Code A. So how do you drop out of Code A and who takes their place? Is it through the Ladder and Worldchampionship? If so Code A and Code S players HAVE to be excluded? Still not 100 percent clear, but thanks for the info, been looking for that information for months Ok, first the ladder and world tournaments are seperate from the GSL. Guessing that ladder will be some kind of top 200, and world champ would be invite. It's the GSL we have solid info on. One GSL season has 3 tournaments: 1 Code S tournament, 1 Code A tournament, and one Up-or-down tournament (which is really more of a collection of showmatches that move people to & from S class. Path to S Class: Ok assume you're a brand new entrant into the GSL2011. Begin Code A tournament 1. You must obtain 1 of 32 spots in the Code A tournament via qualifiers open to anybody. 2. RO64: BO1. Win, and you advance, and you don't need to requalify for Code A next season. (yes, this means you can cheese your way to A class) Lose, and you'll need to re-qualify. 3. RO32: BO1. Winner advances. 4. RO16: BO1. Winner advances and gains a spot in the up-and-down match later that season. (Yes, this means that you can potentially cheese your way into getting a shot at S class) 5. RO8: BO3. Winner advances. 6. RO4: BO3. Winner advances. 7. Finals: BO3. Winner gets 1st pick in the Up-or-down tournament later that season. Loser gets 2nd pick. Begin Up-and-down tournament 1. If you won the Code A tournament, pick one of the 8 S-class players also in the Up-and-down tournament. Defeat your opponent in a BO5, you become Code S next season, and your opponent becomes Code A. Lose, and you're still guarenteed Code A next season, but your opponent stays Code S. 2. If you were the runner up in the Code A tournament, you get to choose any other Code S opponent to fight for title, just like #1 with same ramifications. 3 The other 6 Code A players are each randomly paired against a Code S player in the tournament. BO5s, everything else the same. End Up-and-down tornament. Then, the NEXT GSL, you get to participate in the Code S tourney. This means that sequentially, both the Code A and Code S tournaments must happen before the up-and-down tournament. Begin Code S tournament: 1. Group play/round robin?: 8 groups of 4, each match a BO1. Whoever places 4th in each group drops down to the up-and-down tourney later this season. 3rd in group doesn't advance, but is guarenteed Code S next season. 1st and 2nd in group advance to RO16. 2. Group play/round robin?: 4 groups of 4, each match a BO1. Top 2 in group advance, and will be seeded next season against possible newcomers. 3. RO 8 play: Each 2nd-in-group faces another groups 1st-in-group. BO3, winner advances. 4. RO4 play: BO5, winners advance. 5. Finals: BO7 End Code S tournament.
I mentioned this in the SOTG thread, but man ... Getting to S-Code after the the GSL Opens end and the real season begins is going to be hard as hell. Great players are going to have to go in serious slumps for a newcomer to have a chance.
Team Liquid was really smart to send as many players as they could when they did. With TLO out of the running this is TL's best chance to get an S-code or high A-code. And if I were LegalMind, Clide, Hyperdub, Jooktojung, PoltPrime, Zandark I would be totally conspiring to take down Ret, Jinro and Haypro.
This GSL Open is going to be insane. Can't wait!
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Wonder how they decide tie-breaks for the A Class, there's alot of people in that lower end with all a single qualification. During Artosis' GSL3 qualifiers you hear him talking to Torch saying that (before the qualifiers) Torch is last in A (96th or 64th?) and Artosis is 1st in B (97th or 65th?).
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Thank you for the help on clarifying the Code S and A for 2011, excellent post.
Happy so see IdrA so close to obtain Code S and kinda sad to see TLO that close and giving it away. Hopefully he'll have another go in the future and we need more non-koreans taking their chances there...theres a lot of money and reputation at stake for 2011.
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I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:
IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.
But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.
So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class.
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Lol @ world tournament...why am I not suprised to see that SEA is not included.
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On November 21 2010 05:33 sihyunie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 05:20 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Bo1 for group stage is stupid thought. I presume they will do something similar to OSL and MSL, so either play everyone else in the group once to determine the ranking, or do the "one-day dual tournament." It's not Bo1 single elimination tournament, so it won't be so bad.
That's what I'm thinking....they mentioned groups so its most likely like the OSL/MSL why wouldn't it be? Therefore it won't be just 1 game and ur out so its a moot point
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On November 21 2010 09:43 Hoju wrote:
I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:
IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.
But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.
So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class.
Even if Clide and Leenock could get Ro16 (Clide actually only needs Ro32), you're forgetting that there's 9 non-Ro8 S-code positions available as Hopetorture has gotten Ro8 twice. Oh and MC is too far behind, MC needs a Ro8 place to get S-code (in the senario you outlined).
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I love this system, it is great. I especially enjoy the cutthroat aspect of an "Up-and-down" match where the winner gets S-class and the loser gets demoted/stays the same. It will invoke some great drama in SC2!
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On November 21 2010 10:36 Karmond wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 09:43 Hoju wrote:
I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:
IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.
But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.
So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class. Even if Clide and Leenock could get Ro16 (Clide actually only needs Ro32), you're forgetting that there's 9 non-Ro8 S-code positions available as Hopetorture has gotten Ro8 twice. Oh and MC is too far behind, MC needs a Ro8 place to get S-code (in the senario you outlined).
Yeah both of you are right, it's mathematically impossible for Idra and TheWind to not get S-Class status.
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Awesome, really helpful information! Been wanting to know what exactly was going to happen with the A and S class.
Thanks alot for the translation <3
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wtf...this is kinda retarded...not only i dont get the meaning of all this ****, but lets see if this works...
btw will there be competition like SPL in future? so far there were only ko tournaments and kinda weird 3day- team competition by gomTV.
p.s.: pls correct me if i am wrong.
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Excellent op, thank you.
I hope those bo1 won't be played on crap maps like scrap station ><
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Hope they make tie breakers for code A to be whether the player took a game off his opponent in his RO64 match, then Artosis might get in.
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On November 21 2010 10:36 Karmond wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 09:43 Hoju wrote:
I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:
IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.
But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.
So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class. Even if Clide and Leenock could get Ro16 (Clide actually only needs Ro32), you're forgetting that there's 9 non-Ro8 S-code positions available as Hopetorture has gotten Ro8 twice. Oh and MC is too far behind, MC needs a Ro8 place to get S-code (in the senario you outlined).
Check has already locked up one of those 9 spots, and MC would get S-Class with a ro16 finish. The same goes for Polt and jookToJung. If they got ro16 finishes, they'd have the same amount of points as IdrA or TheWinD if they were to lose in ro64. And we've already proven IdrA and TheWinD will get S-Class even if they lose.
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I like how Code S is very exclusive and the tournament itself is very comprehensive and thorough, while the Code A tourney is very much a crapshoot. This means you'll have the benefit of having a stable roster of the best of the best making up Code-S, while still giving a huge chance for many, many different people to compete at A level.
It's kind of like the best of both worlds, the tournament is very accessible for everyone while at the same time being extremely illustrious and high profile at the very top level.
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On November 21 2010 11:34 Hoju wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 10:36 Karmond wrote:On November 21 2010 09:43 Hoju wrote:
I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:
IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.
But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.
So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class. Even if Clide and Leenock could get Ro16 (Clide actually only needs Ro32), you're forgetting that there's 9 non-Ro8 S-code positions available as Hopetorture has gotten Ro8 twice. Oh and MC is too far behind, MC needs a Ro8 place to get S-code (in the senario you outlined). Check has already locked up one of those 9 spots, and MC would get S-Class with a ro16 finish. The same goes for Polt and jookToJung. If they got ro16 finishes, they'd have the same amount of points as IdrA or TheWinD if they were to lose in ro64. And we've already proven IdrA and TheWinD will get S-Class even if they lose.
I think you're confused. MC has 649 points right now, a Ro16 exit would leave him with 1049 points, IdrA currently has 1348 points.
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On November 21 2010 11:38 Karmond wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 11:34 Hoju wrote:On November 21 2010 10:36 Karmond wrote:On November 21 2010 09:43 Hoju wrote:
I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:
IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.
But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.
So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class. Even if Clide and Leenock could get Ro16 (Clide actually only needs Ro32), you're forgetting that there's 9 non-Ro8 S-code positions available as Hopetorture has gotten Ro8 twice. Oh and MC is too far behind, MC needs a Ro8 place to get S-code (in the senario you outlined). Check has already locked up one of those 9 spots, and MC would get S-Class with a ro16 finish. The same goes for Polt and jookToJung. If they got ro16 finishes, they'd have the same amount of points as IdrA or TheWinD if they were to lose in ro64. And we've already proven IdrA and TheWinD will get S-Class even if they lose. I think you're confused. MC has 649 points right now, a Ro16 exit would leave him with 1049 points, IdrA currently has 1348 points.
649 (MC's current points) + 699 (for ro16 finish) = 1348
Or just think about it without points:
IdrA's finishes: ro32, ro16, and ro64 (if he loses)
MC's finishes: ro64, ro32, and potentially ro16
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On November 21 2010 11:44 Hoju wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 11:38 Karmond wrote:On November 21 2010 11:34 Hoju wrote:On November 21 2010 10:36 Karmond wrote:On November 21 2010 09:43 Hoju wrote:
I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:
IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.
But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.
So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class. Even if Clide and Leenock could get Ro16 (Clide actually only needs Ro32), you're forgetting that there's 9 non-Ro8 S-code positions available as Hopetorture has gotten Ro8 twice. Oh and MC is too far behind, MC needs a Ro8 place to get S-code (in the senario you outlined). Check has already locked up one of those 9 spots, and MC would get S-Class with a ro16 finish. The same goes for Polt and jookToJung. If they got ro16 finishes, they'd have the same amount of points as IdrA or TheWinD if they were to lose in ro64. And we've already proven IdrA and TheWinD will get S-Class even if they lose. I think you're confused. MC has 649 points right now, a Ro16 exit would leave him with 1049 points, IdrA currently has 1348 points. 649 (MC's current points) + 699 (for ro16 finish) = 1348 Or just think about it without points: IdrA's finishes: ro32, ro16, and ro64 (if he loses) MC's finishes: ro64, ro32, and potentially ro16 oh, wait, MC was in GSL 1? I've messed up my spreadsheet then : /
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On November 21 2010 11:48 Karmond wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 11:44 Hoju wrote:On November 21 2010 11:38 Karmond wrote:On November 21 2010 11:34 Hoju wrote:On November 21 2010 10:36 Karmond wrote:On November 21 2010 09:43 Hoju wrote:
I just realized something. The only reason IdrA and TheWinD haven't clinched S-Class yet is because of this rare scenario:
IF the 7 players that are directly behind them in the standings get ro16 (Clide, Leenock, Hyperdub, anypro, Polt, MC, and jookToJung)
AND
8 players below that first group get ro8
AND
IdrA and/or TheWinD lose in ro64, then they would be in a tie for the last few spots in S-Class.
But, two of that first group of 7 players, Clide and Leenock, play each other in the ro64, so both of them cannot get ro16, so that rare scenario can't even happen.
So, IdrA and TheWinD have clinched S-Class. Even if Clide and Leenock could get Ro16 (Clide actually only needs Ro32), you're forgetting that there's 9 non-Ro8 S-code positions available as Hopetorture has gotten Ro8 twice. Oh and MC is too far behind, MC needs a Ro8 place to get S-code (in the senario you outlined). Check has already locked up one of those 9 spots, and MC would get S-Class with a ro16 finish. The same goes for Polt and jookToJung. If they got ro16 finishes, they'd have the same amount of points as IdrA or TheWinD if they were to lose in ro64. And we've already proven IdrA and TheWinD will get S-Class even if they lose. I think you're confused. MC has 649 points right now, a Ro16 exit would leave him with 1049 points, IdrA currently has 1348 points. 649 (MC's current points) + 699 (for ro16 finish) = 1348 Or just think about it without points: IdrA's finishes: ro32, ro16, and ro64 (if he loses) MC's finishes: ro64, ro32, and potentially ro16 oh, wait, MC was in GSL 1? I've messed up my spreadsheet then : /
Ya, he used his full name, JangMinChul as his ID in GSL 1 and lost in ro64 to PoltPrime. Here's my spreadsheet if you want. (I think I've gotten rid of all the mistakes) https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AnxzFGuL2Vx8dHBnTS1jV2VmeE5SeWlNbEZlWGd2dnc&hl=en&authkey=COGz4_oF
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Here's yet another spreadsheet of mine.
Link
BTW, I see some spreadsheets with Genius on NsP team. This is incorrect since he is still in ZeNex team while being a member of NsP clan.
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Thanks for all the info guys. Not sure how I feel about the bo1s, but I'll hold off on any criticism until I better understand how it's going to work out.
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On November 21 2010 16:23 NHY wrote:Here's yet another spreadsheet of mine. LinkBTW, I see some spreadsheets with Genius on NsP team. This is incorrect since he is still in ZeNex team while being a member of NsP clan.
Ya, I thought that was the case with Genius, but he's using the NsP tag on his ID, so it's still a little confusing.
Nice sheet, btw, lots of information. I didn't realize that TheBestfOu was the same player as KangJiYoung from Season 2. TLPD doesn't have that listed correctly, but gomtv.net proves it. You might want to put the english version of the IDs that are in Hongul in the AKA column so people can find those players easier.
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For people like Huk, how do they go about getting code A/S now? Is it through the ladder tournament?
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On November 21 2010 11:37 Wargizmo wrote:
I like how Code S is very exclusive and the tournament itself is very comprehensive and thorough, while the Code A tourney is very much a crapshoot. This means you'll have the benefit of having a stable roster of the best of the best making up Code-S, while still giving a huge chance for many, many different people to compete at A level.
It's kind of like the best of both worlds, the tournament is very accessible for everyone while at the same time being extremely illustrious and high profile at the very top level.
This sums up my thoughts perfectly, we'll get to watch a roster of SC2 superstars and still have open tournament for newcomers entrance. Let's hope that the execution of this tournament works as it would be on paper.
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On November 22 2010 05:40 Frack wrote:
For people like Huk, how do they go about getting code A/S now? Is it through the ladder tournament? I assume he has to qualify for one of the 32 'open' positions of the A tournament. Then, within the A tournament getting as far as the round of 8 to qualify for the Up and Down Match. If he beats his opponent in the Up and Down Match he then obtains Code S.
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so Sen will have to beat Nestea on RO32 and Maka on RO16 to get code S . That's a tough bracket he's in.
edit: nvm it was under the dot lines thought it was 2nd post heh
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On November 21 2010 11:12 MrCon wrote:
Excellent op, thank you.
I hope those bo1 won't be played on crap maps like scrap station ><
IMHO i don't like bo1 at all. Match can be decided with a single cheese...
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Awesome stuff. Thank you so much for this
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Remember that the formats for 2011 GSL is not final. It's on their website as their plan for the tournament and they may stick with it, but may be they will change it. Remember that they will have to run both Code S and Code A in a month as well as qualifiers in between, so they may want to speed through Code A tournament which has bigger pool of players.
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On November 22 2010 09:37 sihyunie wrote:
Remember that they will have to run both Code S and Code A in a month as well as qualifiers in between, so they may want to speed through Code A tournament which has bigger pool of players. Which is kinda why they're doing Bo1's for the initial rounds of the tournament. Right now for the GSL preseason they're doing 10-15 games a night, that could easily translate into 11 matches a night for the A tournament Ro64, 8 Matches a night for the Ro32, and 8 Matches a night for the Ro16.
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On November 22 2010 10:51 Karmond wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2010 09:37 sihyunie wrote:
Remember that they will have to run both Code S and Code A in a month as well as qualifiers in between, so they may want to speed through Code A tournament which has bigger pool of players. Which is kinda why they're doing Bo1's for the initial rounds of the tournament. Right now for the GSL preseason they're doing 10-15 games a night, that could easily translate into 11 matches a night for the A tournament Ro64, 8 Matches a night for the Ro32, and 8 Matches a night for the Ro16.
IMO, if they're going to do Bo1 due to scheduling issues, then they might as well do it off-air and have proper Bo3's. I don't think it's going to be that interesting for the viewer to put two guys into a booth just to play 1 game. IMO they should do something similar to the qualification rounds. Do the Ro64 and Ro32 off-air, then pick out a few matches of interest for vods. Then they can televise from the Ro16 on.
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The only thing I really don't like about this is the Bo1 in Ro64 for Code A tournaments. Because all you need to do to guarantee yourself Code A is win one round (to get to top 32), I feel like a lot of borderline players will aim for a great "cheese" so that they'd be guaranteed a win in Ro64 and to remain in the next tournament.
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On November 22 2010 19:01 theherder2 wrote:
The only thing I really don't like about this is the Bo1 in Ro64 for Code A tournaments. Because all you need to do to guarantee yourself Code A is win one round (to get to top 32), I feel like a lot of borderline players will aim for a great "cheese" so that they'd be guaranteed a win in Ro64 and to remain in the next tournament.
you still have to qualify which is not an easy task, you cant just cheese a game and be in.
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Just now seeing this, being linked from B.net forums.. Thanks to OP for translation, and posting....
also;
GRATZ TO JINRO! :D
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pretty sure Hoju had a thread like this going somewhere?
Anyway - awesome OP!
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Great translation! code S will be awesome.
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i really, really hope gom changes their BO1 groups.
not keen for actionjesuz style 6-pools
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