Seeing how we now know the 64 players in the GSL3, I thought I'd take a quick look at who can likely make S-Class status.
Obviously those that make the top 8 in each tournament will make it, so we know a lot of them already, that's not what this post is concerned about, look on liquipedia if you can't remember who's there already. What this is concerned with is the additional "wildcard" players who won't automatically get it, but will do so based on performances over the three tournaments as a whole.
It's slightly awkward to calculate anything, seeing how (as far as I know? Correct me if wrong) we don't know GOM's scoring system. Is it sorted simply based on number of wins? Or is winning a match in the round of 32 worth more than winning a match in the round of 64? And if so, by how much?
So what I've done here is try to work out as much as I can making no assumptions as to how much anything is worth, other than that a round of 16 appearance is worth more than making the round of 32 etc.
This offsite blog post here that someone pointed out to me earlier, in a similar vein made prior to the qualifiers, is somewhat useful for this purpose, as it lists anyone that has either made the round of 16 in a previous event, or has made both of the prior GSLs and won at least one match. This is useful because it tells us instantly how many players have made the round of 16 but gone no further, which is 13 players:
The most important thing this means is that for players making their debut in the GSL3, it's going to be very hard, if not impossible, to get S-Class without earning it outright by making the round of 8, seeing how they can only draw level into what would be a six-way (or more) tie for ninth at best, given that eight of those 13 players have qualified for an additional tournament and cannot be caught by a debutant.
More interesting is to look at who may already have qualified for a wildcard. Let's have a look, in a rough order from most to least likely:
Check - Has two Ro16 appearances and is in GSL3. Can only be overtaken by Idra and TheWind, and it's possible for Clide and Hyperdub to draw level. So he's in.
Idra/TheWind - Each have a Ro16 and Ro32 appearance, and are both in GSL3. At worst, they would end up with a 16/32/64 result, which is behind Check, can be beaten by Clide and Hyperdub, and can be tied by Iron, JookToJung and Polt. Depending on the scoring system, if Leenock makes the round of 16 he could finish ahead of them if a Ro16 finish is worth a lot more than lower finishes. So at worst, they would be in a five-way tie for fifth, and as we have nine guaranteed wildcards, both are S-Class players already.
Clide/Hyperdub - Each have a Ro16 and Ro64 appearance and have qualified for GSL3. They can each only tie with Check, and can overtake Idra and TheWind if results go their way. Players that can finish above them include oGsMC, Polt, JTJ, and depending on the scoring system, Leenock and sanZenith (although one win will see them above sanZenith). Probably close to in already.
Leenock - As the only other player to make the Ro16 previously that has made GSL3 that hasn't already been mentioned, I'll look at him here. Working out exactly what he needs to do is a bit trickier, as not making GSL1 makes it hard to draw direct comparisons, but he is probably close already simply through making it in this time. There are a lot of players that he cannot or is unlikely to catch, but he is also ahead of a lot of players already on account of qualifying this time (SangHo, Lotze etc). He's likely already close to the bubble, and one win will see him surpass LegalMind and draw level with sanZenith.
SanZenith/TankboyPrime/LegalMind - None of these have qualified for GSL3, but have decent enough performances from previous tournaments. They're all currently in a clump somewhere around 5th-9th depending on how the thing is scored and other results yet to happen. San is the most likely to make it, but all of them could be helped out by early failures from the likes of Iron, JTJ and Polt, previous Ro8 players making it back again to open up more wildcards, or players such as Check making a deep enough run so they don't use a wildcard up.
oGsMC/JookToJung/PoltPrime - All are in the GSL3 with a Ro32 and Ro64 appearance from the previous tournament. They are unlikely to get any higher than sixth, as the first five players listed earlier are too far ahead already barring extreme results. Winning their first round match should put them very close, and making the Ro16 should make them close to locks. As they all currently have identical records and probably have a little bit of work to do to get in, their games should be interesting to watch.
TLO - maybe somewhat moot seeing how he's left Korea, but he's already guaranteed to be behind 12 players regardless of results, and in the event that a Ro16 appearance is worth more than a Ro32 + Ro64 appearance, can at best end up in a tie for 18th, which with a maximum of 17 wildcards would mean he can't make it.
I'll expand on this with an edit at some point, looking at some other players and playing with Excel to see what can happen if I meddle with possible scoring systems, and also to make it look prettier, but wanted to throw something out to start with. Anyone pointing out any errors is welcome.
Why everyone makes an assumption that all GSL are worth the same. IMO participating in GSL3 Ro16 could be worth more than GSL1 Ro16 due to the number and overall quality of players participating.
On November 17 2010 01:31 Cikop wrote: Why everyone makes an assumption that all GSL are worth the same. IMO participating in GSL3 Ro16 could be worth more than GSL1 Ro16 due to the number and overall quality of players participating.
I think they just assume that the system isn't subjective and thus no bias can be placed. With that you describe it seems rather unfair and room for lots of bias.
I LOVE Idra... but he will not make S-Class this season. his zvz is trash, it's no secret. did you look at how many zergs qualified? Unless he gets a strait run of Ts, or gets a couple of the 10 or so elusive protoss, he will not make S
or unless he works on nothing but zvz of course (which i'm hoping for) ^^,
On November 17 2010 01:54 SeeDLiNg wrote: I LOVE Idra... but he will not make S-Class this season. his zvz is trash, it's no secret. did you look at how many zergs qualified? Unless he gets a strait run of Ts, or gets a couple of the 10 or so elusive protoss, he will not make S
or unless he works on nothing but zvz of course (which i'm hoping for) ^^,
His ZvZ WAS terrible. How can you be so sure it still is?
On November 17 2010 01:54 SeeDLiNg wrote: I LOVE Idra... but he will not make S-Class this season. his zvz is trash, it's no secret. did you look at how many zergs qualified? Unless he gets a strait run of Ts, or gets a couple of the 10 or so elusive protoss, he will not make S
or unless he works on nothing but zvz of course (which i'm hoping for) ^^,
His ZvZ WAS terrible. How can you be so sure it still is?
I REALLLLY hope he can (and will) make me eat my words
On November 17 2010 01:54 SeeDLiNg wrote: I LOVE Idra... but he will not make S-Class this season. his zvz is trash, it's no secret. did you look at how many zergs qualified? Unless he gets a strait run of Ts, or gets a couple of the 10 or so elusive protoss, he will not make S
or unless he works on nothing but zvz of course (which i'm hoping for) ^^,
But he's already in the round of 64. I think even if he lost his first match, he'd already be S class, just barely.
On November 17 2010 01:54 SeeDLiNg wrote: I LOVE Idra... but he will not make S-Class this season. his zvz is trash, it's no secret. did you look at how many zergs qualified? Unless he gets a strait run of Ts, or gets a couple of the 10 or so elusive protoss, he will not make S
or unless he works on nothing but zvz of course (which i'm hoping for) ^^,
All he had to do to get S-class was to quilify. Doesnt matter what happens from here.
I think Idra has a good chance. Currently there's still 17 spots left in the S-class. If some of the top 8 this year are repeat performers, then we'll have even more spots.
Is there currently a database/listing of player's points (GSL rankings) somewhere?
really? Didn't realize they'd released the specifics on attaining it. I was still under the assumption that it was reaching the Ro-8. If this is true, I'm psyched! Guess I should read the OP better
Thanks so much for analyzing this. It also makes me happy that we are almost guaranteed to have at least 1 Foreigner with S~class. I hope we see some of the new comers make it this round as well.
thanks for the summary!!! Wanted to ask for exactly that after todays qualifier finsihed, because those remaining S-Class spots are even more exciting then whoever wins this season ^.^ But hopefully ret makes it into Ro8, so we have 2 foreigners to cheer for next year
On November 17 2010 01:54 SeeDLiNg wrote: I LOVE Idra... but he will not make S-Class this season. his zvz is trash, it's no secret. did you look at how many zergs qualified? Unless he gets a strait run of Ts, or gets a couple of the 10 or so elusive protoss, he will not make S
or unless he works on nothing but zvz of course (which i'm hoping for) ^^,
He had no practice partners for ZvZ, now he has Ret among others. Plus thats a stupid assumption to say he has bad ZvZ therefore he wont make s-class
He is basically guaranteed to make S class even if he loses in RO64, if he gets into RO32 then the chances of him not making S are less than 2% probably.
On November 17 2010 01:54 SeeDLiNg wrote: I LOVE Idra... but he will not make S-Class this season. his zvz is trash, it's no secret. did you look at how many zergs qualified? Unless he gets a strait run of Ts, or gets a couple of the 10 or so elusive protoss, he will not make S
or unless he works on nothing but zvz of course (which i'm hoping for) ^^,
He had no practice partners for ZvZ, now he has Ret among others. Plus thats a stupid assumption to say he has bad ZvZ therefore he wont make s-class
He is basically guaranteed to make S class even if he loses in RO64, if he gets into RO32 then the chances of him not making S are less than 2% probably.
Actually, I'm fairly certain it is impossible for IdrA not to make S-class. He didn't even have to qualify.
The important thing (the one thing that could have stopped him) was that SanZenith, TankboyPrime, AND LegalMind all failed to qualify. In a nightmare doom-scenario, SanZenith, TankboyPrime, Leenock, LegalMind, and a few others could have ALL made it to the Round of 16 and then lost (moving on would have given them S-Class in a different way).
Now, there just aren't enough players to create the "nightmare doom-scenario". Even if that happened with all remaining players, IdrA would still barely scrape by.
This, but not sure if they use points for this. Rather we know that they are using ranks. The same concept still stands though. Each time you get to a new round or qualify again is a promotion. Obviously HopeTorture has the highest rank after which Fruitdealer comes.
if it's actually stated that it's that simple then that's cool, but i'm not sure it's actually been stated anywhere officially, correct me if i'm wrong.
edit - crossposted with above - do we actually know whether the ranks actually mean a thing with respect to this, or are just something to make the casts look prettier
if it's actually stated that it's that simple then that's cool, but i'm not sure it's actually been stated anywhere officially, correct me if i'm wrong.
edit - crossposted with above - do we actually know whether the ranks actually mean a thing with respect to this, or are just something to make the casts look prettier
It's because they stated top8 of each season and they gave ranks and stuff with it that people calculated the ranks and stuff. Basically each round or ro64 qualification = promotion and winning the tournament = 2 ranks increase in promotion. The concept is simple. So giving points on each rank/round of xx apearance is the most simplistic one.
So CheckPrime, IdrA and oGsTheWind are practically guaranteed an S-class spot by qualifying to GSL again, or am I reading this incorrectly?
The system confuses me, but it seems fair to the players who put in the effort to participate in all the GSL open seasons as well as those who were prepared enough to go the distance in a single GSL season.
I would still like to see TLO with an S-class ranking eventually, though.
On November 17 2010 03:46 Kagami-sama wrote: So CheckPrime, IdrA and oGsTheWind are practically guaranteed an S-class spot, or am I reading this incorrectly?
The system confuses me, but it seems fair to the players who put in the effort to participate in all the GSL open seasons as well as those who were prepared enough to go the distance in a single GSL season.
I would still like to see TLO with an S-class ranking eventually, though.
You are correct. SanZenith is also guaranteed an S-class spot, not sure why it is listed differently in the OP. He had a Ro16 finish and then a Ro32 finish, tying him with EG.IdrA and oGsTheWind.
On November 17 2010 03:46 Kagami-sama wrote: So CheckPrime, IdrA and oGsTheWind are practically guaranteed an S-class spot by qualifying to GSL again, or am I reading this incorrectly?
The system confuses me, but it seems fair to the players who put in the effort to participate in all the GSL open seasons as well as those who were prepared enough to go the distance in a single GSL season.
I would still like to see TLO with an S-class ranking eventually, though.
i'd like to say it right now, i highly doubt TLO will ever become S-class. Tons of people will disagree but that is just my opinion.
On November 17 2010 03:46 Kagami-sama wrote: So CheckPrime, IdrA and oGsTheWind are practically guaranteed an S-class spot by qualifying to GSL again, or am I reading this incorrectly?
The system confuses me, but it seems fair to the players who put in the effort to participate in all the GSL open seasons as well as those who were prepared enough to go the distance in a single GSL season.
I would still like to see TLO with an S-class ranking eventually, though.
i'd like to say it right now, i highly doubt TLO will ever become S-class. Tons of people will disagree but that is just my opinion.
TLO isn't even in Korea.
He wouldn't accept S-class if he got it now. He also has CT.
Its much much harder to become S class after this GSL though. First u need to be top 32 Korean ladder which is not easy at all Then you need to beat bot 32 of A class Then you need to be the top of A class ( out of 96 ppl) Then you need to beat the bottom of S class Much much harder than just winning 4 Bo3
TLO stood a very decent chance getting S class if he had participated in GSL 3.
On November 17 2010 03:46 Kagami-sama wrote: So CheckPrime, IdrA and oGsTheWind are practically guaranteed an S-class spot by qualifying to GSL again, or am I reading this incorrectly?
The system confuses me, but it seems fair to the players who put in the effort to participate in all the GSL open seasons as well as those who were prepared enough to go the distance in a single GSL season.
I would still like to see TLO with an S-class ranking eventually, though.
i'd like to say it right now, i highly doubt TLO will ever become S-class. Tons of people will disagree but that is just my opinion.
TLO isn't even in Korea.
He wouldn't accept S-class if he got it now. He also has CT.
This is an entirely moot point.
Thanks for the heads up on TLO not being in Korea....................I already knew that TLO left korea to go back home and stay there for a bit. Basically the point I was trying to make was when TLO returns and tries to join the A-class tournment in order to try and attempt to take down S-class players, it will not happen.
On November 17 2010 03:46 Kagami-sama wrote: So CheckPrime, IdrA and oGsTheWind are practically guaranteed an S-class spot by qualifying to GSL again, or am I reading this incorrectly?
The system confuses me, but it seems fair to the players who put in the effort to participate in all the GSL open seasons as well as those who were prepared enough to go the distance in a single GSL season.
I would still like to see TLO with an S-class ranking eventually, though.
i'd like to say it right now, i highly doubt TLO will ever become S-class. Tons of people will disagree but that is just my opinion.
TLO isn't even in Korea.
He wouldn't accept S-class if he got it now. He also has CT.
This is an entirely moot point.
Thanks for the heads up on TLO not being in Korea....................I already knew that TLO left korea to go back home and stay there for a bit. Basically the point I was trying to make was when TLO returns and tries to join the A-class tournment in order to try and attempt to take down S-class players, it will not happen.
Because you are a time traveler right? You can hate on TLO all you want, or make wild guesses, but there's no point on making a statement like this unless you are trying to troll.
As an statistic fanatic an an analysis freak, I found this OP very well thought of and describing (Could've of course been a little bit better and more dsiplaying, but I get the most out of it).
Overall a very beautiful OP and yes, its now that everything settles so GSL3 will be the most exciting as of yet for sure.
Also, a lot of posters in here seems to have completely misunderstood the OP or are just stupid.
On November 17 2010 01:31 Cikop wrote: Why everyone makes an assumption that all GSL are worth the same. IMO participating in GSL3 Ro16 could be worth more than GSL1 Ro16 due to the number and overall quality of players participating.
On November 17 2010 03:46 Kagami-sama wrote: So CheckPrime, IdrA and oGsTheWind are practically guaranteed an S-class spot by qualifying to GSL again, or am I reading this incorrectly?
The system confuses me, but it seems fair to the players who put in the effort to participate in all the GSL open seasons as well as those who were prepared enough to go the distance in a single GSL season.
I would still like to see TLO with an S-class ranking eventually, though.
i'd like to say it right now, i highly doubt TLO will ever become S-class. Tons of people will disagree but that is just my opinion.
TLO isn't even in Korea.
He wouldn't accept S-class if he got it now. He also has CT.
This is an entirely moot point.
Thanks for the heads up on TLO not being in Korea....................I already knew that TLO left korea to go back home and stay there for a bit. Basically the point I was trying to make was when TLO returns and tries to join the A-class tournment in order to try and attempt to take down S-class players, it will not happen.
Because you are a time traveler right? You can hate on TLO all you want, or make wild guesses, but there's no point on making a statement like this unless you are trying to troll.
The last thing i am trying to do is Troll. Honestly, all I wanted to say was although TLO making S-class would be awesome because I do love his style of play. It is just very unlikely because he just lacks the amount of skill it is going to take in order to become S-class after these GSL's qualies are over.
iirc, qualifying the next GSL will not get u higher rank, only by advancing AFTER Ro64 do u get higher rank: http://www.gomtv.net/news/256/0
The rank is continued into following GSL seasons, so the players who qualified and played in Season 1 will start Season 2 with the rank that they were granted from their previous results.
Notice that in Season 1 the rank started at Private, but in Season 2 the rank starts at Recruit.
I think those top ~4,6 players on that list are pretty much code S. Also, Hopetorture got beyond Ro8 twice, which free up 1 more spot , and i suspect this GSL will have a couple players who are already code S (from previous GSL) in Ro8.
On November 17 2010 01:54 SeeDLiNg wrote: I LOVE Idra... but he will not make S-Class this season. his zvz is trash, it's no secret. did you look at how many zergs qualified? Unless he gets a strait run of Ts, or gets a couple of the 10 or so elusive protoss, he will not make S
or unless he works on nothing but zvz of course (which i'm hoping for) ^^,
His ZvZ WAS terrible. How can you be so sure it still is?
I REALLLLY hope he can (and will) make me eat my words
Also, he now potentially has more english speaking zerg practice partners - i.e. ret... if they don't take all their time practicing with each other instead =P
I think you should update the OP with a list of players who have already qualified for S class just to make things crystal clear for those who didn't follow GSL 1 or 2
If Zlasher's iteration of the scoring system is correct (which it very well could be. At the very least it explains the assignment of ranks such as Private, Corporal, etc) then it might be useful to consider the given ranks of each player.
GOM explains their rank structure in this forum post.
I haven't thought it through super well... and I'll have to come back and do that, but it seems you need to attain at least Master Seargent to even be considered for S-Class at this point?
I think it's all based on the number of wins you got and not on the number of times you qualified for GSL. Noticed that they've been using some sort of an army rank system? If you win a match you get promoted etc. So in the end all they'll have to do is to pick the highest ranked players.
I'm assuming that even if you qualified 3 times in a row but didn't manage to win a single game that someone who made only one appeareance but went to Ro32 would be way up in rank.
Only in case of a tie should they look at other statistics like the number of appearances etc.
higher ranks > the rank of 64 *not each rank = 1pt +* i.e : if clide finishes ro4 or finalist(possible winner) he will supersede a bunch of the players you mentioned and will definitely get S class
On November 17 2010 06:04 DaemonX wrote: Hang on what's the point of Code - S if it doesn't qualify you? Both Boxer and NaDa were in qualifying rounds yesterday...
It's for seeding in tournaments next year and I think specific leagues, these first three GSLs are just qualifiers to determine that seeding.
On November 17 2010 03:46 Kagami-sama wrote: So CheckPrime, IdrA and oGsTheWind are practically guaranteed an S-class spot, or am I reading this incorrectly?
The system confuses me, but it seems fair to the players who put in the effort to participate in all the GSL open seasons as well as those who were prepared enough to go the distance in a single GSL season.
I would still like to see TLO with an S-class ranking eventually, though.
You are correct. SanZenith is also guaranteed an S-class spot, not sure why it is listed differently in the OP. He had a Ro16 finish and then a Ro32 finish, tying him with EG.IdrA and oGsTheWind.
On my phone so can't check easily, but did he even qualify for gsl3? If he was listed by something else in the r&s thread then that could be a reason, but it confuses me a bit as he isn't obviously in either list there from what I can see. If he didn't then there's obviously opportunities for people to overtake him
On November 17 2010 06:04 DaemonX wrote: Hang on what's the point of Code - S if it doesn't qualify you? Both Boxer and NaDa were in qualifying rounds yesterday...
I can't believe people still haven't grasped this. GSL1-3 are, as a whole, qualifiers for the GSL season in 2011. These first three tournaments determine the placement of qualifying players in S-class or A-class leagues, NOT GSL1-3.
On November 17 2010 05:55 dRaW wrote: i.e : if clide finishes ro4 or finalist(possible winner) he will supersede a bunch of the players you mentioned and will definitely get S class
It's already given that Ro8 means S-class. We're talking about the others.
On November 17 2010 05:55 dRaW wrote: i.e : if clide finishes ro4 or finalist(possible winner) he will supersede a bunch of the players you mentioned and will definitely get S class
It's already given that Ro8 means S-class. We're talking about the others.
Yeah, it might be helpful if the OP clarified that we're talking about the remaining spots after the at most 23 players (since HopeTorture qualified twice) from reaching Ro8.
On November 17 2010 06:04 DaemonX wrote: Hang on what's the point of Code - S if it doesn't qualify you? Both Boxer and NaDa were in qualifying rounds yesterday...
I can't believe people still haven't grasped this. GSL1-3 are, as a whole, qualifiers for the GSL season in 2011. These first three tournaments determine the placement of qualifying players in S-class or A-class leagues, NOT GSL1-3.
+9000
This community has to be an intelligent one as it's TL. However, I think so many people fail at reading comprehension.
Also, if 1 Top 8 is guarantee of Code S it would have to be worth more points than 3 Top 16 finishes
Doesn't look like it was mentioned yet but what about Loner? IIRC he just has the one Ro16 appearance, seems like that would give him a reasonable chance of S-Class assuming a few repeats top 8 this GSL.
How many protoss got code S? Inca, Genius, Tester... and these hopefuls in OP, like SanZenith and oGsMC. So if my understanding is correct, we will see 4-5 code S players come the tournaments in 2011? Well, that will be funny. Not.
Very nice, OP. Thanks for collecting this info. I'm glad you presented it in a way that doesn't make any major assumptions about scoring as some people have a tendency to do.
The one omission I think you made is that I believe anypro is in the same situation as Leenock. He made Ro16 in season 1 and has qualified for season 3.
On November 17 2010 08:30 Xxavi wrote: Guys, is there a complete list of code S players?
How many protoss got code S? Inca, Genius, Tester... and these hopefuls in OP, like SanZenith and oGsMC. So if my understanding is correct, we will see 4-5 code S players come the tournaments in 2011? Well, that will be funny. Not.
Just look at the results of the previous 2 GSL seasons. Ro8 = confirmed for S-class. As far as I know everything else is just speculation because GOM didn't reveal the exact system. The roundup in the starting post seems to be very likely though.
On November 17 2010 08:30 Xxavi wrote: Guys, is there a complete list of code S players?
How many protoss got code S? Inca, Genius, Tester... and these hopefuls in OP, like SanZenith and oGsMC. So if my understanding is correct, we will see 4-5 code S players come the tournaments in 2011? Well, that will be funny. Not.
I made a post of them, and due to the wonders of the post history function, have found it for you. I separated the list into season, but I'm sure you can see who's qualified for S in both ^^.
Thanks for the S player info, that's pretty interesting. You only get S in the Ro8, right?
at home now, thank god, while the iphone is great, it is no replacement for an actual keyboard and easy switching between infinite tabs, if only my firefox apm could translate to sc i wouldn't be d-
On November 17 2010 08:50 regulator_mk wrote:
The one omission I think you made is that I believe anypro is in the same situation as Leenock. He made Ro16 in season 1 and has qualified for season 3.
He may well be. I think that may be one thing I missed, for some reason (I don't have the korean character support on my PC, and even if I did, I wouldn't understand it, might be an explanation, had so much fun playing about with iron) I had him down as not qualifying.
I don't think it affects anything hugely with respect to the OP, for the most part with that I tried to deal with anything that is very close to certain.
I won't likely update the OP before the brackets are up, mainly because:
- more information may make things easier - i have job interview on thursday, and while sc fanboyism is good it doesn't pay the rent
I've been looking for this kind of information for so long. Thanks so much to the OP for doing the leg work, guestimating and laying down his reasoning so well.
I completely agree GOM needs to make this more transparent. What I really want to know now is how players are going to get promoted or demoted each season. I'm really rooting for the new foreigners out there, and I'd like to think that there is a clear path for them to move up from A class, or to get seeded in the first place if they were unlucky qualifying this time around.
Edit: I'll just add an honest admission here; I have no knowledge about how SC:BW tournaments/rankings work so if this kind of thing is obvious to the TL vets I'd love to be brought up to speed.
Edit again: Reading the more knowledgeable posts on the first three pages of the following thread has cleared up a lot of my questions, just in case anyone else is wondering the same thing. Topic
How about the race out of S-class? The players who achieved S class in season 1 and have failed to make the top 32 (S class) since (GSL 2 and 3): Tester, LiveForever, and perhaps HongUn.
Keep in mind that players who qualified for GSL 3 that have qualified before don't get an additional rank unless they win a match, while new players who qualified for the first time will start out Rank 1 on the document. I'm waiting until GomTV puts up the schedule for season 3 before I add in the new players.
On November 17 2010 09:38 Moragon wrote: How about the race out of S-class? The players who achieved S class in season 1 and have failed to make the top 32 (S class) since (GSL 2 and 3): Tester, LiveForever, and perhaps HongUn.
No, first 3 GSL is purely for determined the seeded rank for the upcoming season. Racing our of S-class will be done later.
On November 17 2010 08:30 Xxavi wrote: Guys, is there a complete list of code S players?
How many protoss got code S? Inca, Genius, Tester... and these hopefuls in OP, like SanZenith and oGsMC. So if my understanding is correct, we will see 4-5 code S players come the tournaments in 2011? Well, that will be funny. Not.
I made a post of them, and due to the wonders of the post history function, have found it for you. I separated the list into season, but I'm sure you can see who's qualified for S in both ^^.
Thanks for the S player info, that's pretty interesting. You only get S in the Ro8, right?
Keep in mind that players who qualified for GSL 3 that have qualified before don't get an additional rank unless they win a match, while new players who qualified for the first time will start out Rank 1 on the document. I'm waiting until GomTV puts up the schedule for season 3 before I add in the new players.
I went ahead and updated with the Season 3 new players. If anyone sees 2 entries for the same player, please point them out as some name changes could have not been discovered.
I will try to update this each day after the games have been played so we can keep track of the ranks of players and try to figure out who is Code S and who is Code A.
Rank 1 Recruit Rank 2 Private Rank 3 Private First Class Rank 4 Corporal Rank 5 Sergeant Rank 6 Staff Sergeant Rank 7 Platoon Sergeant Rank 8 Master Sergeant Rank 9 Second Lieutenant Rank 10 First Lieutenant Rank 11 Captain Rank 12 Major Rank 13 Lieutenant Major Rank 14 Colonel Rank 15 Brigadier General Rank 16 Major General Rank 17 Lieutenant General Rank 18 General
FYI, everyone that qualified for S1 automatically gets bumped from recruit to private (see GOMTVs message about rank). I don't know why so many of you are discussing this here when the first and last post of this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=164582 pretty much do a better job of summing everything up than any of you have done here.
I can see why you're guaranteed S class at ro8. Basically Idra is likely already S class qualified unless there are some miracles below him that reaches ro16/ro8. Newcomers need to reach ro8 or no S class this season and if u made more appearances then ro16/32 can do.
You must be bad at math, if IdrA doesnt make it to round of 16 and 7 new people reach the quarterfinals, he gets kicked out of the top 32, even without including the people who can pass him on points without getting final 8.
On November 19 2010 18:41 Moragon wrote: You must be bad at math, if IdrA doesnt make it to round of 16 and 7 new people reach the quarterfinals, he gets kicked out of the top 32, even without including the people who can pass him on points without getting final 8.
Nope Assuming 8 new people make the quarter finals, there will be 23 S class players, and there will be a remainder of 9 slots for S-class. You add +299 (RO64) to idra, and +699(RO16) to everyone else that qualified for GSL3 and actually has points prior to this, he will still be in the top 32 = S-clas
On November 19 2010 18:41 Moragon wrote: You must be bad at math, if IdrA doesnt make it to round of 16 and 7 new people reach the quarterfinals, he gets kicked out of the top 32, even without including the people who can pass him on points without getting final 8.
You must be bad at reading the chart, There's a gap between 15 and 24, which are reserved for GSL 3 RO8 players. There are only 5 qualified players that can pass Idra without making into RO8.
Hmmm, awesome that Idra has S-rank. I think he deserved, qualifying for all 3 GSL's isn't a trivial matter it seems.
Weird that GOMtv would use a different ranking system for the point to determine S-class and for the "name" ranking system though. I'll explain what I mean:
On November 19 2010 19:00 NeoLearner wrote: Hmmm, awesome that Idra has S-rank. I think he deserved, qualifying for all 3 GSL's isn't a trivial matter it seems.
Weird that GOMtv would use a different ranking system for the point to determine S-class and for the "name" ranking system though. I'll explain what I mean:
So after a few GSL's the name rankings would not correlate anymore with the actual points? That seems very counter intuitive to me.
Am I missing something here?
S-Class is not about ranks. If they had to choose between say Idra (If he lost in the RO64) and Sanzenith, who has the same rank as idra but didn't qualify for GSL3 to be in S-class, who would they pick??? The tie breaker would be who qualified more. Hence, they give points for qualifying.
On November 19 2010 18:41 Moragon wrote: You must be bad at math, if IdrA doesnt make it to round of 16 and 7 new people reach the quarterfinals, he gets kicked out of the top 32, even without including the people who can pass him on points without getting final 8.
Nope Assuming 8 new people make the quarter finals, there will be 23 S class players, and there will be a remainder of 9 slots for S-class. You add +299 (RO64) to idra, and +699(RO16) to everyone else that qualified for GSL3 and actually has points prior to this, he will still be in the top 32 = S-clas
Yep, just double checked this and IdrA is indeed guaranteed S-Class (as is Check and TheWinD). I also believe Hyperdub and Clide are guaranteed S-Class and san is guaranteed to at least tie for the last spot in S-Class, but someone might want to double check those 3.
As for A-Class, anyone who has at least a ro32 finish OR qualified for more than 1 GSL will have A-Class. All the players who qualified for 1 GSL and lost in the ro64 will be tied for the remaining spots and GOM will have to figure out a way to rank them. Maybe a tournament or something.
Hypothetically speaking, if all the newcomers not on that chart either lose Round of 64 or make it to the Round of 8, would that give TLO S-class status? Never mind, looked over the chart again...
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