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annYeong(o11)
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada784 Posts
November 07 2010 19:45 GMT
#2621
TT1 bring it down.

FIGHTING
Founder of the KiWiKaKi Fanclub: teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188537 my keyboard is like half broken. like terran. please ignore typos, thanks
unindel
Profile Joined April 2010
United States206 Posts
November 07 2010 19:45 GMT
#2622
On November 08 2010 04:43 Ryzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 04:41 tofucake wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:40 Ryzu wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:38 unindel wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:27 Ryzu wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:25 Zaka wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:24 The KY wrote:
I do think extended series is bullshit. No reason for it, both players earned their place.

I agree. Offer double elimination, but still punish the player if they manage to get back.


It should be punishment. It's the result of already having lost to that player. Without that punishment, there would be no benefit to having not lost, or to having already beaten a player.


Even if you didn't have the extended series rule there's already disadvantages to losing. You have to play quite a few more matches (2 matches in the losers for every 1 in the winner's). If you want to win the grand finals you have to win 2 bo3 whereas the winner's bracket person only has to win 1.

If you think those aren't enough of a disadvantage then make that your position. Don't pretend there isn't any benefit at all to winning.


Again, that's part of a double elimination tournament. At least here you get a chance to return. In a place like GSL, a single elimination tournament, Tyler would already be out, and would never have had a second chance. You can't have it both ways.

Yes you can, it's called double elimination without extended series. The format is used all the time.


This is happening specifically because it is Tyler that has to fight back in the series. Were the sides switched, this argument would not have even occurred.


At MLG DC a similar situation occurred with Select against Tyler, except that Tyler won initially and Select had to fight through a ton of games in the loser's bracket. I'm pretty sure even Tyler said afterward that he thought it should have been considered a separate match despite how it gave him an advantage last time.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23442 Posts
November 07 2010 19:45 GMT
#2623
Chrono boost makes 1 gate nexus>1 rax CC without pressure as you can see frmo that game jinro picking away at TTone all game but always behind in food.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
November 07 2010 19:45 GMT
#2624
Blizzcon had the two Bo3s thing.
whatsgrackalackin420
Lucius2
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany548 Posts
November 07 2010 19:45 GMT
#2625
close air...
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
November 07 2010 19:45 GMT
#2626
WB Finals :
Jinro 1/1 TT1

LB Semis2 :
TLO 0/2 PainUser
Tyler 2/1 Machine

LB Final1 :
PainUser 2/0 Tyler (BO7 ?)

Standings would be :
Top 1/3 : TT1/Jinro
Top 1/4 : Tyler/PainUser
Top 5/6 : Machine/TLO
Top7/8 : Drewbie/Ret

I'll paste and update the standings as games unfold.
NoiR
Gudeldar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1200 Posts
November 07 2010 19:46 GMT
#2627
On November 08 2010 04:45 kojinshugi wrote:
Blizzcon had the two Bo3s thing.


Thats not what people are complaining about.
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
November 07 2010 19:46 GMT
#2628
the grid says, tlo is out, but i see him playing on screen? wassup?
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
November 07 2010 19:46 GMT
#2629
can anyone tell me the rankings please or repost another bracket?? MLG's bracket is HORRIBLE!
zex66
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada651 Posts
November 07 2010 19:46 GMT
#2630
On November 08 2010 04:45 DarthKhan wrote:
Anyone know if the other games will be casted? Like the ones tyler and tlo are currenty playing?


What you're seeing is what is being cast... all the other games will have replays uploaded though,
Windd
Profile Joined May 2010
United States161 Posts
November 07 2010 19:46 GMT
#2631
On November 08 2010 04:43 Ryzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 04:41 tofucake wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:40 Ryzu wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:38 unindel wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:27 Ryzu wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:25 Zaka wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:24 The KY wrote:
I do think extended series is bullshit. No reason for it, both players earned their place.

I agree. Offer double elimination, but still punish the player if they manage to get back.


It should be punishment. It's the result of already having lost to that player. Without that punishment, there would be no benefit to having not lost, or to having already beaten a player.


Even if you didn't have the extended series rule there's already disadvantages to losing. You have to play quite a few more matches (2 matches in the losers for every 1 in the winner's). If you want to win the grand finals you have to win 2 bo3 whereas the winner's bracket person only has to win 1.

If you think those aren't enough of a disadvantage then make that your position. Don't pretend there isn't any benefit at all to winning.


Again, that's part of a double elimination tournament. At least here you get a chance to return. In a place like GSL, a single elimination tournament, Tyler would already be out, and would never have had a second chance. You can't have it both ways.

Yes you can, it's called double elimination without extended series. The format is used all the time.


This is happening specifically because it is Tyler that has to fight back in the series. Were the sides switched, this argument would not have even occurred.


People raged on this in the last MLG when it was Select against Tyler with Tyler having the advantage.
"I interviewed the sun, he said the future's lookin' bright, I interviewed the rain, he claimed the sun's truly an *******, I'was suposed to interview the snow today but of course he flaked, So I let my frigid demeanor teeter and take his vacant place" AR
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 19:48:18
November 07 2010 19:46 GMT
#2632
Some screenshots of that game:

Huge battle at Terran's gold, TT1 manages to deny Jinro's expansion here.
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Another big battle near TT1's third, while Jinro is multi tasking drops into P's base.
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A decisive battle near Jinro's gold, TT1 is the winner, denying the gold. Jinro GGs.
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o choro é livre
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
November 07 2010 19:46 GMT
#2633
nooooooo jnro cant lose =(
Vathus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada404 Posts
November 07 2010 19:46 GMT
#2634
On November 08 2010 04:46 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
the grid says, tlo is out, but i see him playing on screen? wassup?


Playing for 5th/6th
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
November 07 2010 19:46 GMT
#2635
Close air versus toss is pretty awesome for terran I think.
whatsgrackalackin420
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
November 07 2010 19:46 GMT
#2636
On November 08 2010 04:39 JWD wrote:
Guys, do we really need to have this same tired debate about the merits of MLG's extended series in every MLG LR thread?


I'd agree with you generally, but here it's really about that both players have lost in WB and it shouldn't matter at all if one of them has beaten the other one in WB - both have lost a bo3 and still one goes into the loser-bracket-match with a huge advantage

Makes no sense at all, quite opposed to the discussion about the extended series in the finals.

Well, back to the match, glad that TT1 won on xel naga, excited for more!
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Speake
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States494 Posts
November 07 2010 19:47 GMT
#2637
On November 08 2010 04:30 ArchitectSB wrote:
You know what I cannot understand. Colossus are essentially considered as air units in this game because of their towering height. Banshees cannot shoot air units because that is the way they are, but they are able to shoot the Collosi. Not complaining about imba or something like that, but that thought defies logic in my opinion.


They are considered air AND ground. Which is why marauders can hit them too. Just imagine hitting their legs
tQ.Speake
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
November 07 2010 19:47 GMT
#2638
>double elimination
>2 players lost once each
>1 player starts with 2 game deficit

????

You can say 'yeah but he lost to him earlier' all you want, it doesn't follow logically. There would be no complaints from players if extended series was scrapped.
Avius
Profile Joined October 2007
Iraq1796 Posts
November 07 2010 19:47 GMT
#2639
I love FA but I'm rooting for TT1.

Then again, FA deserves this win so much. Even though I'm rooting for TT1, I want FA to take the whole thing. Huge monkey off his back.
aka. Samael
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
November 07 2010 19:47 GMT
#2640
The argument already arose last MLG when Tyler was actually favoured by the extended series against Select.

I still think it is not fair that if Jinro had lost and played Tyler then he will have no advantage (0-0) while if PainUser lost as it is now, he starts 2-0 although both player lost in the same stage yet one will have huge advantage in the LB. Not the fairest of bracket. If they want to reward an advantage to someone who lost deeper in the WB then both should have the same advantage.

Lets drop it though. GO TT1
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