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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 07 2010 19:41 GMT
#2601
On November 08 2010 04:38 Ryzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 04:36 Redmark wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
No. You get punished for losing. That's how a winners/losers bracket format works. You don't just go, "lol you lost? Oh well, EQUAL FOOTING!"

I'll emphasize my last point again: There is no perfect format that people wont complain about. The only reason people are making a big deal out of it this time is because it's Tyler (who everybody looooves) vs Painuser (who most people are indifferent to) and the past drama w/ them in this tournament.

The two involved both lost one series. It's that simple.


No, it's not, since it was PainUser that beat Tyler the first time, so the match continues as a bo5. Welcome to double elimination.


The match does not continue as a bo5. It's a bo3 and potentially 2 bo3 if Tyler wins. Meaning PainUser has to lose more games than other people who did not face the same opponents. Seems a bit unfair to others.
unindel
Profile Joined April 2010
United States206 Posts
November 07 2010 19:42 GMT
#2602
On November 08 2010 04:40 Ryzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 04:38 unindel wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:27 Ryzu wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:25 Zaka wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:24 The KY wrote:
I do think extended series is bullshit. No reason for it, both players earned their place.

I agree. Offer double elimination, but still punish the player if they manage to get back.


It should be punishment. It's the result of already having lost to that player. Without that punishment, there would be no benefit to having not lost, or to having already beaten a player.


Even if you didn't have the extended series rule there's already disadvantages to losing. You have to play quite a few more matches (2 matches in the losers for every 1 in the winner's). If you want to win the grand finals you have to win 2 bo3 whereas the winner's bracket person only has to win 1.

If you think those aren't enough of a disadvantage then make that your position. Don't pretend there isn't any benefit at all to winning.


Again, that's part of a double elimination tournament. At least here you get a chance to return. In a place like GSL, a single elimination tournament, Tyler would already be out, and would never have had a second chance. You can't have it both ways.


I'm not saying that mlg's format is completely terrible. I'm just saying that you're making it sound like it's either MLG's format or single-elim, when you could easily have double elimination without the extended series rule.
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
November 07 2010 19:43 GMT
#2603
I'm happy to see that TTOne didn't put full investment on the colossi winning the battle just so they could be obliterated by the vikings.
If you don't like it, you can quit.
unindel
Profile Joined April 2010
United States206 Posts
November 07 2010 19:43 GMT
#2604
On November 08 2010 04:41 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 04:38 Ryzu wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:36 Redmark wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
No. You get punished for losing. That's how a winners/losers bracket format works. You don't just go, "lol you lost? Oh well, EQUAL FOOTING!"

I'll emphasize my last point again: There is no perfect format that people wont complain about. The only reason people are making a big deal out of it this time is because it's Tyler (who everybody looooves) vs Painuser (who most people are indifferent to) and the past drama w/ them in this tournament.

The two involved both lost one series. It's that simple.


No, it's not, since it was PainUser that beat Tyler the first time, so the match continues as a bo5. Welcome to double elimination.


The match does not continue as a bo5. It's a bo3 and potentially 2 bo3 if Tyler wins. Meaning PainUser has to lose more games than other people who did not face the same opponents. Seems a bit unfair to others.


MLG handles it by making it an extended best of 7. The 2 bo3 for loser only comes into play in the grand finals if the players have not played previously.
Ryzu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States369 Posts
November 07 2010 19:43 GMT
#2605
On November 08 2010 04:41 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 04:40 Ryzu wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:38 unindel wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:27 Ryzu wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:25 Zaka wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:24 The KY wrote:
I do think extended series is bullshit. No reason for it, both players earned their place.

I agree. Offer double elimination, but still punish the player if they manage to get back.


It should be punishment. It's the result of already having lost to that player. Without that punishment, there would be no benefit to having not lost, or to having already beaten a player.


Even if you didn't have the extended series rule there's already disadvantages to losing. You have to play quite a few more matches (2 matches in the losers for every 1 in the winner's). If you want to win the grand finals you have to win 2 bo3 whereas the winner's bracket person only has to win 1.

If you think those aren't enough of a disadvantage then make that your position. Don't pretend there isn't any benefit at all to winning.


Again, that's part of a double elimination tournament. At least here you get a chance to return. In a place like GSL, a single elimination tournament, Tyler would already be out, and would never have had a second chance. You can't have it both ways.

Yes you can, it's called double elimination without extended series. The format is used all the time.


This is happening specifically because it is Tyler that has to fight back in the series. Were the sides switched, this argument would not have even occurred.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 07 2010 19:43 GMT
#2606
yes! nice timing. before the PF was ready!!!
ZerOfy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom405 Posts
November 07 2010 19:43 GMT
#2607
TOSS FIGHTING!
My life for Aiur!
OFCORPSE
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden355 Posts
November 07 2010 19:43 GMT
#2608
Ok, I can't seem to fix my lag, does anyone know where I can find a restream if there is one?
Liquor saved me from sports.
Stenstyren
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden619 Posts
November 07 2010 19:43 GMT
#2609
damn
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
November 07 2010 19:43 GMT
#2610
Nice job TT1
Gudeldar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1200 Posts
November 07 2010 19:43 GMT
#2611
On November 08 2010 04:41 HolydaKing wrote:
rofl @ TT1 forgetting a colossus @ mid ... they missed that ~~ TT1 was upset in the pic :D


I was watching that on the minimap just waiting for him to move it back. I just saw it try to run away and die
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
November 07 2010 19:44 GMT
#2612
I still have the idea that Protoss is better off making more immortals instead of going collosi unless the T is going for huge marine numbers...
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
wristuzi
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1168 Posts
November 07 2010 19:44 GMT
#2613
Wow! How did he do that? :S Go TT1!
MarineKingPrime ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Naniwa ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Morrow
SKtheAnathema
Profile Joined September 2010
United States885 Posts
November 07 2010 19:44 GMT
#2614
On November 08 2010 04:40 Ryzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 04:38 unindel wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:27 Ryzu wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:25 Zaka wrote:
On November 08 2010 04:24 The KY wrote:
I do think extended series is bullshit. No reason for it, both players earned their place.

I agree. Offer double elimination, but still punish the player if they manage to get back.


It should be punishment. It's the result of already having lost to that player. Without that punishment, there would be no benefit to having not lost, or to having already beaten a player.


Even if you didn't have the extended series rule there's already disadvantages to losing. You have to play quite a few more matches (2 matches in the losers for every 1 in the winner's). If you want to win the grand finals you have to win 2 bo3 whereas the winner's bracket person only has to win 1.

If you think those aren't enough of a disadvantage then make that your position. Don't pretend there isn't any benefit at all to winning.


Again, that's part of a double elimination tournament. At least here you get a chance to return. In a place like GSL, a single elimination tournament, Tyler would already be out, and would never have had a second chance. You can't have it both ways.


ummm it's actually not. mlg's the first time i've even heard of this rule. been around and ran fighting game tourneys for 15 years and i've never heard of a double elim tournament having extended series rule... probably because it makes no sense.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 19:44:43
November 07 2010 19:44 GMT
#2615
On November 08 2010 04:43 Ryzu wrote:
This is happening specifically because it is Tyler that has to fight back in the series. Were the sides switched, this argument would not have even occurred.

It would have, and it did last MLG (or maybe the one before that, or both). You are making a lot of assumptions here.
Zaka
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands372 Posts
November 07 2010 19:44 GMT
#2616
Wow, TLO really does use his arrow keys a lot.
Bite off more than you can chew....then chew it.
ZerOfy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom405 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 19:45:04
November 07 2010 19:44 GMT
#2617
On November 08 2010 04:43 Iodem wrote:
I'm happy to see that TTOne didn't put full investment on the colossi winning the battle just so they could be obliterated by the vikings.


Yeah, hate super fast collosus against terran as Day9 keeps saying. So easy for them to get sniped.
My life for Aiur!
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
November 07 2010 19:44 GMT
#2618
If the angle we had was better we could kinda get a little FPview of Nony's screen.
Helluva
Profile Joined September 2010
United States651 Posts
November 07 2010 19:45 GMT
#2619
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 08 2010 04:41 yejin wrote:
[image loading]

User was temp banned for this post.

That's not very nice. :O
<3
DarthKhan
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada166 Posts
November 07 2010 19:45 GMT
#2620
Anyone know if the other games will be casted? Like the ones tyler and tlo are currenty playing?
HOLY CHECK G.G.
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