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Scoop
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland482 Posts
November 26 2010 12:04 GMT
#2381
Guys just watch GSL instead.
xlep
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany274 Posts
November 26 2010 12:04 GMT
#2382
yes but you they probably just don't have time to play bo3s. If you play Round Robin groups (and I really prefer this over "normal" brackets) there is only the possibility of 3 players are being tied.

Considering they do all the games on a stage with a somewhat tight schedule there just is no time to do 3 Bo3s that will take at least 2 hours

Sure a coinflip sucks but as some people said: all players had two chances of advancing on their own effort
skill is scissors beating rock
LorDo
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden485 Posts
November 26 2010 12:06 GMT
#2383
Guys it's really sad it had to come to a coinflip, and I'm not really convinced they didn't have the time... But it was clearly stated in the rules. This summer in football WC it was extremely close to happening in Italys group aswell, IIRC it was something like 1 goal from happening, what do you think about that? It's really bad BUT it's in the rules.

Not really the same thing here, DH should just ask the community next time for more admins and have either MLG style Double Elimination or Bo3 at least everywhere. If they were to ask me I'd prolly help out..
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
November 26 2010 12:06 GMT
#2384
Really, they could play another set of games off stage, can't be that hard to organize. Well, that's DH.
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
November 26 2010 12:07 GMT
#2385
Oh, so they played tiebreakers!? If this is the case, i think coin flip is indeed the way to go.

On the other hand, there is sth that i've considered in case of a drop - why not look at the points in the score screen? If one player has 50 000 points, for example, and the other 43 000, the winner should be obvious.
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
November 26 2010 12:07 GMT
#2386
someone should make "Dreamhack ultimate feedback thread", so far bo1 and coinflip are the feedback we have, it need to change for Dreamhack Summer
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
November 26 2010 12:07 GMT
#2387
On November 26 2010 21:04 Cri du Chat wrote:
Don't know why people always cry about the BO1 rule. Everyone plays everyone in a group.
You are not are out of the tournament after one game, so it is not really BO1.
Coin flip sucks pretty bad of cause. There have to be better ways to determine, who advances out of a group.



because it increases the luck by alot and has a good chance to end in stupid ties like we just had.
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sodapop
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden189 Posts
November 26 2010 12:08 GMT
#2388
On November 26 2010 21:04 xlep wrote:
yes but you they probably just don't have time to play bo3s. If you play Round Robin groups (and I really prefer this over "normal" brackets) there is only the possibility of 3 players are being tied.

Considering they do all the games on a stage with a somewhat tight schedule there just is no time to do 3 Bo3s that will take at least 2 hours

Sure a coinflip sucks but as some people said: all players had two chances of advancing on their own effort


I agree strongly with this. Group play is by far the most interesting way to start off a tournament, in my opinion of course. Sure does suck that there is no "goal difference" in starcraft though. Perhaps you could use a percentual score differential or something weird like that.
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
November 26 2010 12:08 GMT
#2389
So is the coin flip decided, who won?
Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
November 26 2010 12:10 GMT
#2390
On November 26 2010 21:08 NotSupporting wrote:
So is the coin flip decided, who won?


Naama and Socke, Bischu got eliminated.
SkyZz
Profile Joined April 2010
United States337 Posts
November 26 2010 12:10 GMT
#2391
^Naama and Socke goes through and Bischu got left behind =[
TMK
yFot
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden41 Posts
November 26 2010 12:10 GMT
#2392
Love to say I told you so.. Even if time seems to be the issue here I cannot see how it´s even a relevant factor. Gom runs multiple qualifier 64-man tournaments in the same day with Bo3 without any major delays. Problem is, as always at dreamhack, lack of organisation. And dreamhack isnt some shit organisation with sponsor or viewer problems that barely gets by - it´s the biggest computer festival in the world.

Silly randomness explosion..
Where in the world is Stylish? #laka ._.V
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
November 26 2010 12:10 GMT
#2393
that crowd is so huge 0_0
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
luke1304
Profile Joined October 2010
108 Posts
November 26 2010 12:11 GMT
#2394
which stream do we have to use, the day9 or the dreamania extreme one? Day9 mentioned the latter somewhen this morning...
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
November 26 2010 12:11 GMT
#2395
On November 26 2010 21:08 sodapop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2010 21:04 xlep wrote:
yes but you they probably just don't have time to play bo3s. If you play Round Robin groups (and I really prefer this over "normal" brackets) there is only the possibility of 3 players are being tied.

Considering they do all the games on a stage with a somewhat tight schedule there just is no time to do 3 Bo3s that will take at least 2 hours

Sure a coinflip sucks but as some people said: all players had two chances of advancing on their own effort


I agree strongly with this. Group play is by far the most interesting way to start off a tournament, in my opinion of course. Sure does suck that there is no "goal difference" in starcraft though. Perhaps you could use a percentual score differential or something weird like that.


Look at the way the MSL does group play. Dreamhack's current system is inexcusably bad.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
November 26 2010 12:11 GMT
#2396
how exactly do you do a coin flip with 3 people ?
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
November 26 2010 12:11 GMT
#2397
On November 26 2010 21:02 TBO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2010 20:57 Dingobloo wrote:
There's actually a fifa rule that's very similar with their group stages, but at least the tie break is based on goals scored and conceded.


they also do a coinflip when everything else is tied, but it happens so rarely.

In the Worldcup 1986 Italy won via coinflip vs Russia in the semifinals - after that the penalty shootout was introduced. Maybe there should be something similar considered for tournaments - I mean even with a bo3 groupstage format you might end up with repeated ties over and over again. using MSL format avoids it though.


Like play a UMS micro battle? That would actually be kinda cool.
Anyways, whoever decided on this format is a goddamn idiot. It's by far the worst format possible, except for bo1 single elimination, because the probability of a three-way tie is so huge.
They could've done double elimination, increased the size of groups to 5 or 6 players, which greatly reduces the chances for a three-way tie to happen, or just use MST system which is quite ingenius tbh.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
November 26 2010 12:12 GMT
#2398
Anyone know where is the bracket?
Panicc
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany163 Posts
November 26 2010 12:12 GMT
#2399
is it on? days stream and the extreme stream onl show the schedule
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
November 26 2010 12:13 GMT
#2400
On November 26 2010 21:10 Shika wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2010 21:08 NotSupporting wrote:
So is the coin flip decided, who won?


Naama and Socke, Bischu got eliminated.


Wow, it's just so bad that it wasn't some more famous player. Imagine TLO coin flipping and going out of DH, we would never hear the end of it.
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