GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Day 2 - Page 8

On October 10 2010 13:30 Chen wrote:

So if a player gets cheesed out of a tournament, they are automatically terrible? They are big names for a good reason. We can basically assume Moon will eventually be a very good if not great player. He has great APM, multitask, macro, game-sense, etc. Those are basic things that WILL carry over to any RTS game he plays. Plus he's fairly good under pressure evidenced by his rather giant trophy case. Main thing is it will draw big ratings. TLO was pretty thoroughly outplayed most of series that he lost, but it was one of the most entertaining ones that were seen in the whole GSL.

Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?

On October 10 2010 13:54 Avaclon wrote:
Come on Boxer... Do it... regain your Empire... God I pray Boxer makes it.

It would turn the tide of SC2 popularity in Korea...

On October 10 2010 13:56 GTR wrote:
MVP is in B-1

On October 10 2010 13:56 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

He was actually invited into the tournament you are talking about, so its a bad example

On October 10 2010 14:02 absalom86 wrote:


Is TLO today or monday ?

On October 10 2010 13:41 foxmeep wrote:
Not at all. but in general the better player is going to win. Especially since you have to play through several rounds to make it. But to be honest, I only like to see the top players play. In my opinion, if you can't make it to ro64, regardless of cheese, you really aren't a top player.

I'm not discrediting Moon or anyone else's talents for that matter (July/Nada/Boxer for example, if they don't make it), but right now he's probably not as good as he can be, and he shouldn't just be seeded in cause he's not in good enough form yet to make it. He'll probably have his turn next season, but this time round there are better players.

Sure there's the viewership aspect of having a "big name" in the tourny (this is debatable because I don't care if names make it or not), but on the flip side you have to remember people are coming from across the world to qualify. It's not exactly fair to have some players automatically qualify without having any previous results.

Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?

On October 10 2010 13:44 z00t wrote:
Maybe Kim Tae Hyun is considered a fairly common name in Korea, and the David Kim that we know isn't participating in the GSL?

As said, he might be contractually forbidden to participate in the tournament. And even if he were allowed to, you'd think he'd be working hard to balance SC2 as it is right now as well as possibly doing balance work for the upcoming expansion .

On October 10 2010 14:07 Spicy Pepper wrote:

There's this concept called variance. Your opinion would be less silly if you understood it. Cheese is high variance, bad players can beat better players with it. Unorthodox strategies also happen. This is a very new game, the best player in the world right now could get knocked out in the qualifiers.


These big names have previous results in something closely related. That's why they are big names.


What if instead of TLO, it's some #900th ranked guy who cheesed his way in? What if the big name is TLO? Let's play What If. And you are mistaken.

I have no problem with the format currently, but it's a completely reasonable argument to give certain players invites if you believe it'll better help launch your brand/business/e-sport.

On October 10 2010 14:16 Xxavi wrote:

So what's your suggestion?
Make a tournament with only so called "big name players"?
How seeding is going to help? Seeding is used to keep away big name players from each other so they don't knock each other out. Yes, it would suck if Tester knocks out Cool at this stage. But people on here make it sound as if some of the fan favorites on here faced Cool or Tester. They faced players that they would face even if they are seeded. If you can't beat a player who is known hardly by anybody, no seeding will help you.

And blaming on the tournament qualifying system isn't a constructive criticism. What system is better, considering there's ~2000 players registered?

It's best of three, and that's the most they can do, as far as I see. Even round of 64 will be best of three.

On October 10 2010 14:16 Xxavi wrote:

So what's your suggestion?
Make a tournament with only so called "big name players"?
How seeding is going to help? Seeding is used to keep away big name players from each other so they don't knock each other out. Yes, it would suck if Tester knocks out Cool at this stage. But people on here make it sound as if some of the fan favorites on here faced Cool or Tester. They faced players that they would face even if they are seeded. If you can't beat a player who is known hardly by anybody, no seeding will help you.

And blaming on the tournament qualifying system isn't a constructive criticism. What system is better, considering there's ~2000 players registered?

It's best of three, and that's the most they can do, as far as I see. Even round of 64 will be best of three.