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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
October 10 2010 04:35 GMT
#141
b-1: http://cnce.kr/shop/games/vs64_3.php?no=915&v_result=64&games_list=330&guest_type=0
b-2: http://cnce.kr/shop/games/vs64_3.php?no=916&v_result=64&games_list=330&guest_type=0
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
October 10 2010 04:40 GMT
#142
apparently RohJinWook's sc2 account is http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/163258/1/Cloud/
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foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 04:47:47
October 10 2010 04:41 GMT
#143
On October 10 2010 13:30 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 13:24 foxmeep wrote:
I don't understand why people that are "big names" should get seeded into anything. If they can't even qualify for ro64, I sure as hell don't want to watch them play because they won't be showing me anything special. I'm going to be more entertained by a completely unknown if they have better talents.

So if a player gets cheesed out of a tournament, they are automatically terrible? They are big names for a good reason. We can basically assume Moon will eventually be a very good if not great player. He has great APM, multitask, macro, game-sense, etc. Those are basic things that WILL carry over to any RTS game he plays. Plus he's fairly good under pressure evidenced by his rather giant trophy case. Main thing is it will draw big ratings. TLO was pretty thoroughly outplayed most of series that he lost, but it was one of the most entertaining ones that were seen in the whole GSL.


Not at all. but in general the better player is going to win. Especially since you have to play through several rounds to make it. But to be honest, I only like to see the top players play. In my opinion, if you can't make it to ro64, regardless of cheese, you really aren't a top player.

I'm not discrediting Moon or anyone else's talents for that matter (July/Nada/Boxer for example, if they don't make it), but right now he's probably not as good as he can be, and he shouldn't just be seeded in cause he's not in good enough form yet to make it. He'll probably have his turn next season, but this time round there are better players.

Sure there's the viewership aspect of having a "big name" in the tourny (this is debatable because I don't care if names make it or not), but on the flip side you have to remember people are coming from across the world to qualify. It's not exactly fair to have some players automatically qualify without having any previous results.

Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
z00t
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia976 Posts
October 10 2010 04:44 GMT
#144
Maybe Kim Tae Hyun is considered a fairly common name in Korea, and the David Kim that we know isn't participating in the GSL?

As said, he might be contractually forbidden to participate in the tournament. And even if he were allowed to, you'd think he'd be working hard to balance SC2 as it is right now as well as possibly doing balance work for the upcoming expansion .
Tercotta
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada402 Posts
October 10 2010 04:53 GMT
#145
Another foreigner lost in round one in B-2. Haniaf Souiab.
Avaclon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States80 Posts
October 10 2010 04:54 GMT
#146
Come on Boxer... Do it... regain your Empire... God I pray Boxer makes it.

It would turn the tide of SC2 popularity in Korea...
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51543 Posts
October 10 2010 04:56 GMT
#147
MVP is in B-1
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 10 2010 04:56 GMT
#148
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?

He was actually invited into the tournament you are talking about, so its a bad example
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Spicy Pepper
Profile Joined December 2009
United States632 Posts
October 10 2010 04:58 GMT
#149
On October 10 2010 13:54 Avaclon wrote:
Come on Boxer... Do it... regain your Empire... God I pray Boxer makes it.

It would turn the tide of SC2 popularity in Korea...

I thought SC2 was doing well. Didn't thee GSL finals have 1million viewers in korea? Is that small?
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
October 10 2010 04:58 GMT
#150
On October 10 2010 13:56 GTR wrote:
MVP is in B-1

#31 in the ro64
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absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
October 10 2010 05:02 GMT
#151
On October 10 2010 13:56 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?

He was actually invited into the tournament you are talking about, so its a bad example


Is TLO today or monday ?
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
October 10 2010 05:04 GMT
#152
On October 10 2010 14:02 absalom86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 13:56 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?

He was actually invited into the tournament you are talking about, so its a bad example


Is TLO today or monday ?

monday
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Spicy Pepper
Profile Joined December 2009
United States632 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 05:12:28
October 10 2010 05:07 GMT
#153
On October 10 2010 13:41 foxmeep wrote:
Not at all. but in general the better player is going to win. Especially since you have to play through several rounds to make it. But to be honest, I only like to see the top players play. In my opinion, if you can't make it to ro64, regardless of cheese, you really aren't a top player.

I'm not discrediting Moon or anyone else's talents for that matter (July/Nada/Boxer for example, if they don't make it), but right now he's probably not as good as he can be, and he shouldn't just be seeded in cause he's not in good enough form yet to make it. He'll probably have his turn next season, but this time round there are better players.

There's this concept called variance. Your opinion would be less silly if you understood it. Cheese is high variance, bad players can beat better players with it. Unorthodox strategies also happen. This is a very new game, the best player in the world right now could get knocked out in the qualifiers.

Sure there's the viewership aspect of having a "big name" in the tourny (this is debatable because I don't care if names make it or not), but on the flip side you have to remember people are coming from across the world to qualify. It's not exactly fair to have some players automatically qualify without having any previous results.

These big names have previous results in something closely related. That's why they are big names.

Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?

What if instead of TLO, it's some #900th ranked guy who cheesed his way in? What if the big name is TLO? Let's play What If.

I have no problem with the format currently, but it's a completely reasonable argument to give certain players invites if you believe it'll better help launch your brand/business/e-sport.
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
October 10 2010 05:11 GMT
#154
MVP fighting! He will definitely be one of the new absolute top Terrans.
Dyno.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States286 Posts
October 10 2010 05:14 GMT
#155
On October 10 2010 13:44 z00t wrote:
Maybe Kim Tae Hyun is considered a fairly common name in Korea, and the David Kim that we know isn't participating in the GSL?

As said, he might be contractually forbidden to participate in the tournament. And even if he were allowed to, you'd think he'd be working hard to balance SC2 as it is right now as well as possibly doing balance work for the upcoming expansion .

David Kim is forbidden from participating in any competitions. I asked him on battle.net one time.

I have a screenshot somewhere, but I don't think it's necessary since it makes logical sense.
carebear91
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore236 Posts
October 10 2010 05:16 GMT
#156
hey guys.. just wondering.. why is it that whenever i click the links to the bracket, they always show me connection error?. is there anything that i'm doing wrong over here..?
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
October 10 2010 05:16 GMT
#157
On October 10 2010 14:07 Spicy Pepper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 13:41 foxmeep wrote:
Not at all. but in general the better player is going to win. Especially since you have to play through several rounds to make it. But to be honest, I only like to see the top players play. In my opinion, if you can't make it to ro64, regardless of cheese, you really aren't a top player.

I'm not discrediting Moon or anyone else's talents for that matter (July/Nada/Boxer for example, if they don't make it), but right now he's probably not as good as he can be, and he shouldn't just be seeded in cause he's not in good enough form yet to make it. He'll probably have his turn next season, but this time round there are better players.

There's this concept called variance. Your opinion would be less silly if you understood it. Cheese is high variance, bad players can beat better players with it. Unorthodox strategies also happen. This is a very new game, the best player in the world right now could get knocked out in the qualifiers.

Show nested quote +
Sure there's the viewership aspect of having a "big name" in the tourny (this is debatable because I don't care if names make it or not), but on the flip side you have to remember people are coming from across the world to qualify. It's not exactly fair to have some players automatically qualify without having any previous results.

These big names have previous results in something closely related. That's why they are big names.

Show nested quote +
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?

What if instead of TLO, it's some #900th ranked guy who cheesed his way in? What if the big name is TLO? Let's play What If. And you are mistaken.

I have no problem with the format currently, but it's a completely reasonable argument to give certain players invites if you believe it'll better help launch your brand/business/e-sport.

So what's your suggestion?
Make a tournament with only so called "big name players"?
How seeding is going to help? Seeding is used to keep away big name players from each other so they don't knock each other out. Yes, it would suck if Tester knocks out Cool at this stage. But people on here make it sound as if some of the fan favorites on here faced Cool or Tester. They faced players that they would face even if they are seeded. If you can't beat a player who is known hardly by anybody, no seeding will help you.

And blaming on the tournament qualifying system isn't a constructive criticism. What system is better, considering there's ~2000 players registered?

It's best of three, and that's the most they can do, as far as I see. Even round of 64 will be best of three.
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 05:23:46
October 10 2010 05:23 GMT
#158
On October 10 2010 14:16 Xxavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 14:07 Spicy Pepper wrote:
On October 10 2010 13:41 foxmeep wrote:
Not at all. but in general the better player is going to win. Especially since you have to play through several rounds to make it. But to be honest, I only like to see the top players play. In my opinion, if you can't make it to ro64, regardless of cheese, you really aren't a top player.

I'm not discrediting Moon or anyone else's talents for that matter (July/Nada/Boxer for example, if they don't make it), but right now he's probably not as good as he can be, and he shouldn't just be seeded in cause he's not in good enough form yet to make it. He'll probably have his turn next season, but this time round there are better players.

There's this concept called variance. Your opinion would be less silly if you understood it. Cheese is high variance, bad players can beat better players with it. Unorthodox strategies also happen. This is a very new game, the best player in the world right now could get knocked out in the qualifiers.

Sure there's the viewership aspect of having a "big name" in the tourny (this is debatable because I don't care if names make it or not), but on the flip side you have to remember people are coming from across the world to qualify. It's not exactly fair to have some players automatically qualify without having any previous results.

These big names have previous results in something closely related. That's why they are big names.

Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?

What if instead of TLO, it's some #900th ranked guy who cheesed his way in? What if the big name is TLO? Let's play What If. And you are mistaken.

I have no problem with the format currently, but it's a completely reasonable argument to give certain players invites if you believe it'll better help launch your brand/business/e-sport.

So what's your suggestion?
Make a tournament with only so called "big name players"?
How seeding is going to help? Seeding is used to keep away big name players from each other so they don't knock each other out. Yes, it would suck if Tester knocks out Cool at this stage. But people on here make it sound as if some of the fan favorites on here faced Cool or Tester. They faced players that they would face even if they are seeded. If you can't beat a player who is known hardly by anybody, no seeding will help you.

And blaming on the tournament qualifying system isn't a constructive criticism. What system is better, considering there's ~2000 players registered?

It's best of three, and that's the most they can do, as far as I see. Even round of 64 will be best of three.

playing 8x BO3's in one day with no research/specialized practice is very different from playing 8 BO3's 1 at a time with a week to refine builds. the latter format is more conducive to the better player winning. qualifiers in this format (see OSL/MSL offlines) are notoriously hard with very many upsets. many progamers fail to make it out of the offlines when they are vastly superior to the people that beat them due to 1 bad game/cheese. You could easily go 7-2 and be completely out of the tournament in this format. Obviously there shouldnt be too much of a advantage for older players but something like 16 seeds into just the Ro64 wouldnt be that bad.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 05:24:52
October 10 2010 05:24 GMT
#159
On October 10 2010 14:16 Xxavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 14:07 Spicy Pepper wrote:
On October 10 2010 13:41 foxmeep wrote:
Not at all. but in general the better player is going to win. Especially since you have to play through several rounds to make it. But to be honest, I only like to see the top players play. In my opinion, if you can't make it to ro64, regardless of cheese, you really aren't a top player.

I'm not discrediting Moon or anyone else's talents for that matter (July/Nada/Boxer for example, if they don't make it), but right now he's probably not as good as he can be, and he shouldn't just be seeded in cause he's not in good enough form yet to make it. He'll probably have his turn next season, but this time round there are better players.

There's this concept called variance. Your opinion would be less silly if you understood it. Cheese is high variance, bad players can beat better players with it. Unorthodox strategies also happen. This is a very new game, the best player in the world right now could get knocked out in the qualifiers.

Sure there's the viewership aspect of having a "big name" in the tourny (this is debatable because I don't care if names make it or not), but on the flip side you have to remember people are coming from across the world to qualify. It's not exactly fair to have some players automatically qualify without having any previous results.

These big names have previous results in something closely related. That's why they are big names.

Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?

What if instead of TLO, it's some #900th ranked guy who cheesed his way in? What if the big name is TLO? Let's play What If. And you are mistaken.

I have no problem with the format currently, but it's a completely reasonable argument to give certain players invites if you believe it'll better help launch your brand/business/e-sport.

So what's your suggestion?
Make a tournament with only so called "big name players"?
How seeding is going to help? Seeding is used to keep away big name players from each other so they don't knock each other out. Yes, it would suck if Tester knocks out Cool at this stage. But people on here make it sound as if some of the fan favorites on here faced Cool or Tester. They faced players that they would face even if they are seeded. If you can't beat a player who is known hardly by anybody, no seeding will help you.

And blaming on the tournament qualifying system isn't a constructive criticism. What system is better, considering there's ~2000 players registered?

It's best of three, and that's the most they can do, as far as I see. Even round of 64 will be best of three.


guys you're kind of derailing the thread

And its a silly discussion. There is an argument for previous winners/top finishers to be seeded in, but its ridiculous and totally unfair for people to get in automatically just because they're popular. This isn't a popularity contest; if you're good enough to get in, you will.

If you're a big name going up against some random scrub, you have to expect to get cheesed seriously. Scout that shit.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
October 10 2010 05:24 GMT
#160
hyperdub advances.
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