I apologize if this is a silly question, but what do you mean by "Jaedong not actually qualifying", has he registered or something? :O Thanks in advance.
On October 10 2010 10:40 Leviance wrote: Sorry for the dumb question, but how do I watch? I registered at gomtv.net but can't click on "Go Live"
Can't even find the Season 2 page on GomTV's site >< Anyone with a quick link to it or possibly a link to a restream will be much appreciated. I got 2 internets for ya.
Edit: NM, in the time it took me to type it up I've been answered that there will be no stream. I has a sad.
On October 10 2010 10:47 rastaban wrote: Just wanted to say thanks to all the people who are keeping tabs on this for those of us not in korea. You all are the best
^^
Us degenerates would have nothing to refresh on the weekend if it were not for you all <3
So: is TLO monday or today? I've heard conflicting statements. TLO's facebook page makes no mention of qualifiers which leads me to believe its on monday.
Ah and Boxer should play at 6pm to, I talked to him yesterday on sta2. Here conversation :
Translation :
Me : Lim Yo Hwan by any chance right now can you play a game with me? BoxeR : I'm practicing for a tournament. Me : Ah me too, I'm going to do play GSL tomorrow. When do you have your match? BoxeR : Tomorrow you play ? (not sure about translation) Me : yes I will play GSL tomorrow at 6pm. BoxeR : Me too Me : Oh ~
On October 10 2010 10:49 SoJu.WeRRa wrote: Ah and Boxer should play at 6pm to, I talked to him yesterday on sta2. Here conversation :
Translation :
Me : Lim Yo Hwan by any chance right now can you play a game with me? BoxeR : I'm practicing for a tournament. Me : Ah me too, I'm going to do play GSL tomorrow. When do you have your match? BoxeR : Tomorrow you play ? (not sure about translation) Me : yes I will play GSL tomorrow at 6pm. BoxeR : Me too Me : Oh ~
6pm as in 6pm EDT? or 6pm KST?
GOOD LUCK!
Wait, does that mean you might end up playing against Boxer?
On October 10 2010 10:49 SoJu.WeRRa wrote: Ah and Boxer should play at 6pm to, I talked to him yesterday on sta2. Here conversation :
Translation :
Me : Lim Yo Hwan by any chance right now can you play a game with me? BoxeR : I'm practicing for a tournament. Me : Ah me too, I'm going to do play GSL tomorrow. When do you have your match? BoxeR : Tomorrow you play ? (not sure about translation) Me : yes I will play GSL tomorrow at 6pm. BoxeR : Me too Me : Oh ~
6pm as in 6pm EDT? or 6pm KST?
GOOD LUCK!
Wait, does that mean you might end up playing against Boxer?
6:00 pm KST.
Well I don't know exactly how it will be going but if I'm lucky ahaha. Anyway thanks for your messages guys! PROTOSS FIGHTING!
On October 10 2010 10:49 SoJu.WeRRa wrote: Ah and Boxer should play at 6pm to, I talked to him yesterday on sta2. Here conversation :
Translation :
Me : Lim Yo Hwan by any chance right now can you play a game with me? BoxeR : I'm practicing for a tournament. Me : Ah me too, I'm going to do play GSL tomorrow. When do you have your match? BoxeR : Tomorrow you play ? (not sure about translation) Me : yes I will play GSL tomorrow at 6pm. BoxeR : Me too Me : Oh ~
6pm as in 6pm EDT? or 6pm KST?
GOOD LUCK!
Wait, does that mean you might end up playing against Boxer?
On October 10 2010 10:49 SoJu.WeRRa wrote: Ah and Boxer should play at 6pm to, I talked to him yesterday on sta2. Here conversation :
Translation :
Me : Lim Yo Hwan by any chance right now can you play a game with me? BoxeR : I'm practicing for a tournament. Me : Ah me too, I'm going to do play GSL tomorrow. When do you have your match? BoxeR : Tomorrow you play ? (not sure about translation) Me : yes I will play GSL tomorrow at 6pm. BoxeR : Me too Me : Oh ~
You may have to play agaisnt boxer then;) What race do you use btw?
On October 10 2010 10:58 kassi wrote: Does anyone have a link to the bracket page? I remember seeing one for Day 1 but I can't find one for Day 2. Thanks!
it's not yet up. (but will be linked here: http://cnce.kr/ )
On October 10 2010 10:49 SoJu.WeRRa wrote: Ah and Boxer should play at 6pm to, I talked to him yesterday on sta2. Here conversation :
Translation :
Me : Lim Yo Hwan by any chance right now can you play a game with me? BoxeR : I'm practicing for a tournament. Me : Ah me too, I'm going to do play GSL tomorrow. When do you have your match? BoxeR : Tomorrow you play ? (not sure about translation) Me : yes I will play GSL tomorrow at 6pm. BoxeR : Me too Me : Oh ~
You may have to play agaisnt boxer then;) What race do you use btw?
He said Protoss fighting above so I might hesitate to guess Protoss
Anyone feel that not allowing for the GSL to have a handful of invites was kind of a financial mistake by the tournament organizers? A GSL2 with Moon and Boxer etc is going to put way more asses in seats than random unknowns, despite the unknown players skill levels. I definitely think that no extra treatment for known players should be allowed past the round of 64, but not allowing Boxer or Moon to play televised SC2 games because of some random unknown player beat them 1 time in an offline prelim just seems like a financial mistake, as well as bad for SC2 hype. They should have allowed for at least a handful of invites to the round of 64 for the sake of business, hype, and entertainment.
On October 10 2010 11:11 Mellotron wrote: Anyone feel that not allowing for the GSL to have a handful of invites was kind of a financial mistake by the tournament organizers? A GSL2 with Moon and Boxer etc is going to put way more asses in seats than random unknowns, despite the unknown players skill levels. I definitely think that no extra treatment for known players should be allowed past the round of 64, but not allowing Boxer or Moon to play televised SC2 games because of some random unknown player beat them 1 time in an offline prelim just seems like a financial mistake, as well as bad for SC2 hype. They should have allowed for at least a handful of invites to the round of 64 for the sake of business, hype, and entertainment.
oops wrong thread, thanks take =p not surprisingly benoit is from france, kent campbell is a member of the US air force and also participated in the gsl1 qualifiers. also i think there's a girl competitor today.
On October 10 2010 11:16 ichangedmyname wrote: brackets useless to me. any translations. i'm not even sure what those brackets are for. how many advance out of each?
On October 10 2010 11:14 Antoine wrote: oops wrong thread, thanks take =p not surprisingly benoit is from france, kent campbell is a member of the US air force and also participated in the gsl1 qualifiers. also i think there's a girl competitor today.
If you change your character encoding to Korean, then click on one of the names, it will take you to a forbidden page, that google will translate for you. If you then hit back. It will translate the brackets for you as well.
On October 10 2010 11:33 metigue wrote: If you change your character encoding to Korean, then click on one of the names, it will take you to a forbidden page, that google will translate for you. If you then hit back. It will translate the brackets for you as well.
#3 = David Kim? Blizzard Developer? xD
Edit: For BoxeR look for Lim Yo Hwan
Nah, David Kim should be an extremely common Korean name.
On October 10 2010 11:51 alan25 wrote: how does idra beat 4 gate pushes?
He doesn't. He literally loses to them every single game then finds the most random fucking thread on TL and posts "I can't beat 4 gates" in that thread.
I thought David Kim was contractually not allowed to play SC2 for money. Though, the GSL is working in close cooperation with Blizz, so who knows, I guess.
LOL looking at the brackets I almost expect there to be scenario where player advances purely due to getting walkovers xD This is just as bad as WCG USA qualifiers.
some names on players in the ro8: 우경철/FreeDSL #81 KR 김용창/TheZ #1238 전창욱/DarkTemplar not ranked, most likely the 886 diamond player though 박해성/비담 #107, also he's a member of Zenith. all 4 of these players are protoss.
On October 10 2010 12:14 XothermeK wrote: Ro8 -- 전창욱 -- 900 point Protoss
lol..Please tell me this ain't so, when Moon could have had this spot
Ladder points do not imply your real skill, if NaDa and Boxer only played with people on their teams to practice, they'd be just as good and could even have zero ladder points, so dont be too quick to judge.
i just saw on a GOMTV Facebook post that Jinro and Hapyro failed to qualify into Ro64 sad news i hope the others liquidians are gonna win their qualifiers :'(
SUP PLAYXP! I got the scoop on them by figuring out that 배상환 was SoundWeRRa before they did! My google-fu apparently even works in different languages.
Wow I will be so disappointed if David Kim was eliminated. He's probably the top Random player in the world.
In general I think it would be better for GSL's business to automatically seed big names like Moon, etc, but thats a trade off with giving other unknown players a chance I guess. And part of the point of SC2 is a 'fresh' start and level playing field for everyone.
Wow I will be so disappointed if David Kim was eliminated. He's probably the top Random player in the world.
In general I think it would be better for GSL's business to automatically seed big names like Moon, etc, but thats a trade off with giving other unknown players a chance I guess. And part of the point of SC2 is a 'fresh' start and level playing field for everyone.
Right. The idea of the first three tournaments is to be completely open. GOM will move into a more normal seeding system after GSL 3.
I don't understand why people that are "big names" should get seeded into anything. If they can't even qualify for ro64, I sure as hell don't want to watch them play because they won't be showing me anything special. I'm going to be more entertained by a completely unknown if they have better talents.
On October 10 2010 13:24 foxmeep wrote: I don't understand why people that are "big names" should get seeded into anything. If they can't even qualify for ro64, I sure as hell don't want to watch them play because they won't be showing me anything special. I'm going to be more entertained by a completely unknown if they have better talents.
So if a player gets cheesed out of a tournament, they are automatically terrible? They are big names for a good reason. We can basically assume Moon will eventually be a very good if not great player. He has great APM, multitask, macro, game-sense, etc. Those are basic things that WILL carry over to any RTS game he plays. Plus he's fairly good under pressure evidenced by his rather giant trophy case. Main thing is it will draw big ratings. TLO was pretty thoroughly outplayed most of series that he lost, but it was one of the most entertaining ones that were seen in the whole GSL.
On October 10 2010 13:24 foxmeep wrote: I don't understand why people that are "big names" should get seeded into anything. If they can't even qualify for ro64, I sure as hell don't want to watch them play because they won't be showing me anything special. I'm going to be more entertained by a completely unknown if they have better talents.
"Big Names" overall will have better skill and be more fun to watch. In this style tournament it is possible for a more skilled player to lose to a cheese build or timing push. If you look at Polt from last season he made it far because he had really well thought out timing attacks, but if it went into a longer game he started to fall apart.
On October 10 2010 13:24 foxmeep wrote: I don't understand why people that are "big names" should get seeded into anything. If they can't even qualify for ro64, I sure as hell don't want to watch them play because they won't be showing me anything special. I'm going to be more entertained by a completely unknown if they have better talents.
So if a player gets cheesed out of a tournament, they are automatically terrible? They are big names for a good reason. We can basically assume Moon will eventually be a very good if not great player. He has great APM, multitask, macro, game-sense, etc. Those are basic things that WILL carry over to any RTS game he plays. Plus he's fairly good under pressure evidenced by his rather giant trophy case. Main thing is it will draw big ratings. TLO was pretty thoroughly outplayed most of series that he lost, but it was one of the most entertaining ones that were seen in the whole GSL.
Not at all. but in general the better player is going to win. Especially since you have to play through several rounds to make it. But to be honest, I only like to see the top players play. In my opinion, if you can't make it to ro64, regardless of cheese, you really aren't a top player.
I'm not discrediting Moon or anyone else's talents for that matter (July/Nada/Boxer for example, if they don't make it), but right now he's probably not as good as he can be, and he shouldn't just be seeded in cause he's not in good enough form yet to make it. He'll probably have his turn next season, but this time round there are better players.
Sure there's the viewership aspect of having a "big name" in the tourny (this is debatable because I don't care if names make it or not), but on the flip side you have to remember people are coming from across the world to qualify. It's not exactly fair to have some players automatically qualify without having any previous results.
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
Maybe Kim Tae Hyun is considered a fairly common name in Korea, and the David Kim that we know isn't participating in the GSL?
As said, he might be contractually forbidden to participate in the tournament. And even if he were allowed to, you'd think he'd be working hard to balance SC2 as it is right now as well as possibly doing balance work for the upcoming expansion .
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
He was actually invited into the tournament you are talking about, so its a bad example
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
He was actually invited into the tournament you are talking about, so its a bad example
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
He was actually invited into the tournament you are talking about, so its a bad example
On October 10 2010 13:41 foxmeep wrote: Not at all. but in general the better player is going to win. Especially since you have to play through several rounds to make it. But to be honest, I only like to see the top players play. In my opinion, if you can't make it to ro64, regardless of cheese, you really aren't a top player.
I'm not discrediting Moon or anyone else's talents for that matter (July/Nada/Boxer for example, if they don't make it), but right now he's probably not as good as he can be, and he shouldn't just be seeded in cause he's not in good enough form yet to make it. He'll probably have his turn next season, but this time round there are better players.
There's this concept called variance. Your opinion would be less silly if you understood it. Cheese is high variance, bad players can beat better players with it. Unorthodox strategies also happen. This is a very new game, the best player in the world right now could get knocked out in the qualifiers.
Sure there's the viewership aspect of having a "big name" in the tourny (this is debatable because I don't care if names make it or not), but on the flip side you have to remember people are coming from across the world to qualify. It's not exactly fair to have some players automatically qualify without having any previous results.
These big names have previous results in something closely related. That's why they are big names.
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
What if instead of TLO, it's some #900th ranked guy who cheesed his way in? What if the big name is TLO? Let's play What If.
I have no problem with the format currently, but it's a completely reasonable argument to give certain players invites if you believe it'll better help launch your brand/business/e-sport.
On October 10 2010 13:44 z00t wrote: Maybe Kim Tae Hyun is considered a fairly common name in Korea, and the David Kim that we know isn't participating in the GSL?
As said, he might be contractually forbidden to participate in the tournament. And even if he were allowed to, you'd think he'd be working hard to balance SC2 as it is right now as well as possibly doing balance work for the upcoming expansion .
David Kim is forbidden from participating in any competitions. I asked him on battle.net one time.
I have a screenshot somewhere, but I don't think it's necessary since it makes logical sense.
hey guys.. just wondering.. why is it that whenever i click the links to the bracket, they always show me connection error?. is there anything that i'm doing wrong over here..?
On October 10 2010 13:41 foxmeep wrote: Not at all. but in general the better player is going to win. Especially since you have to play through several rounds to make it. But to be honest, I only like to see the top players play. In my opinion, if you can't make it to ro64, regardless of cheese, you really aren't a top player.
I'm not discrediting Moon or anyone else's talents for that matter (July/Nada/Boxer for example, if they don't make it), but right now he's probably not as good as he can be, and he shouldn't just be seeded in cause he's not in good enough form yet to make it. He'll probably have his turn next season, but this time round there are better players.
There's this concept called variance. Your opinion would be less silly if you understood it. Cheese is high variance, bad players can beat better players with it. Unorthodox strategies also happen. This is a very new game, the best player in the world right now could get knocked out in the qualifiers.
Sure there's the viewership aspect of having a "big name" in the tourny (this is debatable because I don't care if names make it or not), but on the flip side you have to remember people are coming from across the world to qualify. It's not exactly fair to have some players automatically qualify without having any previous results.
These big names have previous results in something closely related. That's why they are big names.
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
What if instead of TLO, it's some #900th ranked guy who cheesed his way in? What if the big name is TLO? Let's play What If. And you are mistaken.
I have no problem with the format currently, but it's a completely reasonable argument to give certain players invites if you believe it'll better help launch your brand/business/e-sport.
So what's your suggestion? Make a tournament with only so called "big name players"? How seeding is going to help? Seeding is used to keep away big name players from each other so they don't knock each other out. Yes, it would suck if Tester knocks out Cool at this stage. But people on here make it sound as if some of the fan favorites on here faced Cool or Tester. They faced players that they would face even if they are seeded. If you can't beat a player who is known hardly by anybody, no seeding will help you.
And blaming on the tournament qualifying system isn't a constructive criticism. What system is better, considering there's ~2000 players registered?
It's best of three, and that's the most they can do, as far as I see. Even round of 64 will be best of three.
On October 10 2010 13:41 foxmeep wrote: Not at all. but in general the better player is going to win. Especially since you have to play through several rounds to make it. But to be honest, I only like to see the top players play. In my opinion, if you can't make it to ro64, regardless of cheese, you really aren't a top player.
I'm not discrediting Moon or anyone else's talents for that matter (July/Nada/Boxer for example, if they don't make it), but right now he's probably not as good as he can be, and he shouldn't just be seeded in cause he's not in good enough form yet to make it. He'll probably have his turn next season, but this time round there are better players.
There's this concept called variance. Your opinion would be less silly if you understood it. Cheese is high variance, bad players can beat better players with it. Unorthodox strategies also happen. This is a very new game, the best player in the world right now could get knocked out in the qualifiers.
Sure there's the viewership aspect of having a "big name" in the tourny (this is debatable because I don't care if names make it or not), but on the flip side you have to remember people are coming from across the world to qualify. It's not exactly fair to have some players automatically qualify without having any previous results.
These big names have previous results in something closely related. That's why they are big names.
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
What if instead of TLO, it's some #900th ranked guy who cheesed his way in? What if the big name is TLO? Let's play What If. And you are mistaken.
I have no problem with the format currently, but it's a completely reasonable argument to give certain players invites if you believe it'll better help launch your brand/business/e-sport.
So what's your suggestion? Make a tournament with only so called "big name players"? How seeding is going to help? Seeding is used to keep away big name players from each other so they don't knock each other out. Yes, it would suck if Tester knocks out Cool at this stage. But people on here make it sound as if some of the fan favorites on here faced Cool or Tester. They faced players that they would face even if they are seeded. If you can't beat a player who is known hardly by anybody, no seeding will help you.
And blaming on the tournament qualifying system isn't a constructive criticism. What system is better, considering there's ~2000 players registered?
It's best of three, and that's the most they can do, as far as I see. Even round of 64 will be best of three.
playing 8x BO3's in one day with no research/specialized practice is very different from playing 8 BO3's 1 at a time with a week to refine builds. the latter format is more conducive to the better player winning. qualifiers in this format (see OSL/MSL offlines) are notoriously hard with very many upsets. many progamers fail to make it out of the offlines when they are vastly superior to the people that beat them due to 1 bad game/cheese. You could easily go 7-2 and be completely out of the tournament in this format. Obviously there shouldnt be too much of a advantage for older players but something like 16 seeds into just the Ro64 wouldnt be that bad.
On October 10 2010 13:41 foxmeep wrote: Not at all. but in general the better player is going to win. Especially since you have to play through several rounds to make it. But to be honest, I only like to see the top players play. In my opinion, if you can't make it to ro64, regardless of cheese, you really aren't a top player.
I'm not discrediting Moon or anyone else's talents for that matter (July/Nada/Boxer for example, if they don't make it), but right now he's probably not as good as he can be, and he shouldn't just be seeded in cause he's not in good enough form yet to make it. He'll probably have his turn next season, but this time round there are better players.
There's this concept called variance. Your opinion would be less silly if you understood it. Cheese is high variance, bad players can beat better players with it. Unorthodox strategies also happen. This is a very new game, the best player in the world right now could get knocked out in the qualifiers.
Sure there's the viewership aspect of having a "big name" in the tourny (this is debatable because I don't care if names make it or not), but on the flip side you have to remember people are coming from across the world to qualify. It's not exactly fair to have some players automatically qualify without having any previous results.
These big names have previous results in something closely related. That's why they are big names.
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
What if instead of TLO, it's some #900th ranked guy who cheesed his way in? What if the big name is TLO? Let's play What If. And you are mistaken.
I have no problem with the format currently, but it's a completely reasonable argument to give certain players invites if you believe it'll better help launch your brand/business/e-sport.
So what's your suggestion? Make a tournament with only so called "big name players"? How seeding is going to help? Seeding is used to keep away big name players from each other so they don't knock each other out. Yes, it would suck if Tester knocks out Cool at this stage. But people on here make it sound as if some of the fan favorites on here faced Cool or Tester. They faced players that they would face even if they are seeded. If you can't beat a player who is known hardly by anybody, no seeding will help you.
And blaming on the tournament qualifying system isn't a constructive criticism. What system is better, considering there's ~2000 players registered?
It's best of three, and that's the most they can do, as far as I see. Even round of 64 will be best of three.
guys you're kind of derailing the thread
And its a silly discussion. There is an argument for previous winners/top finishers to be seeded in, but its ridiculous and totally unfair for people to get in automatically just because they're popular. This isn't a popularity contest; if you're good enough to get in, you will.
If you're a big name going up against some random scrub, you have to expect to get cheesed seriously. Scout that shit.
so does 이현민, i believe - he has 2 wins marked down in the bracket, but the other guy got moved forward. if anyone can read korean this should clear it up: 서호동 선수의 저그를 맞아 2:0으로 승리한 후 승리의 하이파이브와 함께 GSL 본선무대에서의 활약을 다짐하는 모습입니다.
So cloud = rohjinwook = Michael = Lucifers ( Wc3 former pro ud & ESWC Champion ) brother? o_o Thats cool, oh and Using Soju's id at this forum is not cool -.-
On October 10 2010 14:45 Ocedic wrote: I really hope MVP makes it. Not familiar with his play in BW but apparently he's one of the top players from the 'recent' generation of BW pros?
No, MVP was never a top player in BW by any mean. He has his moment and thats it a B-/B player at most in BW
On October 10 2010 14:45 Ocedic wrote: I really hope MVP makes it. Not familiar with his play in BW but apparently he's one of the top players from the 'recent' generation of BW pros?
No, MVP was never a top player in BW by any mean. He has his moment and thats it a B-/B player at most in BW
He was an A-team pro that has recently taken games off of Flash even.
On October 10 2010 14:45 Ocedic wrote: I really hope MVP makes it. Not familiar with his play in BW but apparently he's one of the top players from the 'recent' generation of BW pros?
He never posted really great or consistent results, but he took a few games off of some really good players (Flash, Effort, Baby) and showed some strength so he has potential to do really well in SC2.
On October 10 2010 14:45 Ocedic wrote: I really hope MVP makes it. Not familiar with his play in BW but apparently he's one of the top players from the 'recent' generation of BW pros?
No, MVP was never a top player in BW by any mean. He has his moment and thats it a B-/B player at most in BW
B-/B? You're crazy, he reached A+ on iccup and had a respectable (not good) 40% winrate, including a game off Flash
MVP IMO was really underrated, when you beat players like Flash and Stork in high-reputation games, you're immediately not a scrub. EDIT: I think the reason why MVP's win rate sucks is because he lost plenty of games at the start of his tenure on the A-team.
lol, seems Hyperdub has some haters among the korean community too? hopefully somebody can translate this question from his interview: + Show Spoiler +
- 팬들도 많아졌을 것 같다. ▲ 안티팬이 많은 것 같다. 날빌에 대한 거부감이 있는 분들이 계시다. 그 분들도 모두 내 팬들이 될 수 있도록 노력하겠다. 대부분 프로토스 유저들이 나를 싫어하시더라.
On October 10 2010 14:45 Ocedic wrote: I really hope MVP makes it. Not familiar with his play in BW but apparently he's one of the top players from the 'recent' generation of BW pros?
No, MVP was never a top player in BW by any mean. He has his moment and thats it a B-/B player at most in BW
He was an A-team pro that has recently taken games off of Flash even.
Let's not inflate MVP too much, shall we? He played A-team terran on the team known for having the worst terran line in the game. He won 43% of his games in TvP, and that was his best match-up. He made one quarter finals in his career. And he won a series against Stork in GOM.
Certainly a decent player, but never even a threat to the top.
Also, I'm rooting for TBE (ChaosTheory). Awesome name.
On October 10 2010 14:53 GTR wrote: MVP IMO was really underrated, when you beat players like Flash and Stork in high-reputation games, you're immediately not a scrub. EDIT: I think the reason why MVP's win rate sucks is because he lost plenty of games at the start of his tenure on the A-team.
He was *improving* I guess you could say, but I think he'd be hard pressed to even consistently qualify for the two leagues every season.
On October 10 2010 14:39 RotterdaM wrote: So cloud = rohjinwook = Michael = Lucifers ( Wc3 former pro ud & ESWC Champion ) brother? o_o Thats cool, oh and Using Soju's id at this forum is not cool -.-
The irony of writing this in a post that talks about people that go by Cloud and Lucifer is probably lost on you, which is too bad.
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
He was actually invited into the tournament you are talking about, so its a bad example
Lol, fair enough! Does the first half of my sentence still hold hold true? I was under the impression he was pretty much unknown by the community, but he produced some incredibly interesting games. This was the main point I was trying to make.
On October 10 2010 13:41 foxmeep wrote: Not at all. but in general the better player is going to win. Especially since you have to play through several rounds to make it. But to be honest, I only like to see the top players play. In my opinion, if you can't make it to ro64, regardless of cheese, you really aren't a top player.
I'm not discrediting Moon or anyone else's talents for that matter (July/Nada/Boxer for example, if they don't make it), but right now he's probably not as good as he can be, and he shouldn't just be seeded in cause he's not in good enough form yet to make it. He'll probably have his turn next season, but this time round there are better players.
There's this concept called variance. Your opinion would be less silly if you understood it. Cheese is high variance, bad players can beat better players with it. Unorthodox strategies also happen. This is a very new game, the best player in the world right now could get knocked out in the qualifiers.
Sure there's the viewership aspect of having a "big name" in the tourny (this is debatable because I don't care if names make it or not), but on the flip side you have to remember people are coming from across the world to qualify. It's not exactly fair to have some players automatically qualify without having any previous results.
These big names have previous results in something closely related. That's why they are big names.
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
What if instead of TLO, it's some #900th ranked guy who cheesed his way in? What if the big name is TLO? Let's play What If.
I have no problem with the format currently, but it's a completely reasonable argument to give certain players invites if you believe it'll better help launch your brand/business/e-sport.
Cute attempt to try come across as an intelligent poster. Starcraft isn't a game based around statistics unfortunately.
On October 10 2010 15:10 Antoine wrote: 정종현(MVP) is a member of Incredible Miracle, 박용준 is a member of oGs
Terran (박용준) is their newest recruit actually, he won the oGs recruiting tournament and was invited on the team. He has over 1.5k games as well, which is impressive.
On October 10 2010 15:12 Tercotta wrote: So are we going to have to refer to this Savior as a "Saior the smurf" forever or can we come up with an english nickname please.
On October 10 2010 15:10 Antoine wrote: 정종현(MVP) is a member of Incredible Miracle, 박용준 is a member of oGs
Terran (박용준) is their newest recruit actually, he performed well enough in the oGs recruiting tournament to be invited on the team. He has over 1.5k games as well, which is impressive.
oh yeah, that was streamed on the last day of Gisado's stream before he moved (the day when he did all shakuras/junglebasin in his koth)
On October 10 2010 14:45 Ocedic wrote: I really hope MVP makes it. Not familiar with his play in BW but apparently he's one of the top players from the 'recent' generation of BW pros?
No, MVP was never a top player in BW by any mean. He has his moment and thats it a B-/B player at most in BW
B-/B? You're crazy, he reached A+ on iccup and had a respectable (not good) 40% winrate, including a game off Flash
You misunderstood me, every B team players on any pro BW house can reach A+ no problem. I didnt talk about ICCUP rank, I mean the rank among the pro gamers. S rank: Flash/Jaedong A rank: Fantasy etc.... by that I think MVP B-/B is just right
I find it odd that we're almost halfway through the qualifiers and almost nobody from GSL 1's top 16 has played yet, not to mention the 3 decorated BW pros (Boxer, July, NaDa). Are the later brackets that stacked?
On October 10 2010 15:25 andrewlt wrote: I find it odd that we're almost halfway through the qualifiers and almost nobody from GSL 1's top 16 has played yet, not to mention the 3 decorated BW pros (Boxer, July, NaDa). Are the later brackets that stacked?
It would really suck if we see them all fight for like 5-6 spots and the ro64 looks like gsl1
biggest problem with it is we won't see the games ... boxer vs tlo to get into gsl..???... and we get nothing would suck
On October 10 2010 15:25 andrewlt wrote: I find it odd that we're almost halfway through the qualifiers and almost nobody from GSL 1's top 16 has played yet, not to mention the 3 decorated BW pros (Boxer, July, NaDa). Are the later brackets that stacked?
LiveForever isn't playing as he has to study for SAT's or something.
I'm also seriously hoping that we won't get really stacked brackets coming up :[.
If there are 128 total participants per group, and there are 4 groups a day, that means that there are 512 people competing each day. Over the course of 4 days, that means only a total of 2048 participants, despite 2500+ people registering.
Of those people who aren't showing up for the qualifiers, I really hope that there's not a large fallout in the 250+ foreigners stated to have registered. So far, we've seen so few non-Korean names :[. If they made the commitment to come to Korea, I would have thought we'd definitely be seeing more of their names in these brackets by now.
On October 10 2010 14:45 Ocedic wrote: I really hope MVP makes it. Not familiar with his play in BW but apparently he's one of the top players from the 'recent' generation of BW pros?
No, MVP was never a top player in BW by any mean. He has his moment and thats it a B-/B player at most in BW
B-/B? You're crazy, he reached A+ on iccup and had a respectable (not good) 40% winrate, including a game off Flash
You misunderstood me, every B team players on any pro BW house can reach A+ no problem. I didnt talk about ICCUP rank, I mean the rank among the pro gamers. S rank: Flash/Jaedong A rank: Fantasy etc.... by that I think MVP B-/B is just right
oh right on, i can agree to that anyway he's currently stomping through the graphics, has won every match 2-0 so far and needs to win 1 more bo3 to qualify.
On October 10 2010 15:30 Crt wrote: Referring people by their nick is a sign of respect. Are "we" already disrespecting the guy because of his nick?
Well when people see sAviOr they can't help but think of the player involved in the scandal. So the bastard brought this upon himself. Maybe he could come up with another nick?
On October 10 2010 15:25 andrewlt wrote: I find it odd that we're almost halfway through the qualifiers and almost nobody from GSL 1's top 16 has played yet, not to mention the 3 decorated BW pros (Boxer, July, NaDa). Are the later brackets that stacked?
LiveForever isn't playing as he has to study for SAT's or something.
Yeah and Hyperdub qualified just now. So it means 20 out of the 64 are already set but 14 out of the previous GSL's top 16 are unaccounted for (they either haven't played their games yet, didn't join this round and nobody knew, etc.).
On October 10 2010 15:32 z00t wrote: I'm also seriously hoping that we won't get really stacked brackets coming up :[.
If there are 128 total participants per group, and there are 4 groups a day, that means that there are 512 people competing each day. Over the course of 4 days, that means only a total of 2048 participants, despite 2500+ people registering.
Of those people who aren't showing up for the qualifiers, I really hope that there's not a large fallout in the 250+ foreigners stated to have registered. So far, we've seen so few non-Korean names :[. If they made the commitment to come to Korea, I would have thought we'd definitely be seeing more of their names in these brackets by now.
There is 8 groups and 16 players qualifying every day
On October 10 2010 15:32 z00t wrote: I'm also seriously hoping that we won't get really stacked brackets coming up :[.
If there are 128 total participants per group, and there are 4 groups a day, that means that there are 512 people competing each day. Over the course of 4 days, that means only a total of 2048 participants, despite 2500+ people registering.
Of those people who aren't showing up for the qualifiers, I really hope that there's not a large fallout in the 250+ foreigners stated to have registered. So far, we've seen so few non-Korean names :[. If they made the commitment to come to Korea, I would have thought we'd definitely be seeing more of their names in these brackets by now.
When they said 250 foreigners they didnt mean 250 from the EU/NA. I'd put 20 buks down that a whole bunch of them are from places like China or Taiwan.
On October 10 2010 15:32 z00t wrote: I'm also seriously hoping that we won't get really stacked brackets coming up :[.
If there are 128 total participants per group, and there are 4 groups a day, that means that there are 512 people competing each day. Over the course of 4 days, that means only a total of 2048 participants, despite 2500+ people registering.
Of those people who aren't showing up for the qualifiers, I really hope that there's not a large fallout in the 250+ foreigners stated to have registered. So far, we've seen so few non-Korean names :[. If they made the commitment to come to Korea, I would have thought we'd definitely be seeing more of their names in these brackets by now.
When they said 250 foreigners they didnt mean 250 from the EU/NA. I'd put 20 buks down that a whole bunch of them are from places like China or Taiwan.
There are only 2 players from china. Loner and Luffy, loner qualified, luffy eliminated by lyn.
I think 0 from Taiwan (not completely sure about Taiwan).
Maybe lots of registered foreigners are just students who are studying in Korea.
On October 10 2010 15:32 z00t wrote: I'm also seriously hoping that we won't get really stacked brackets coming up :[.
If there are 128 total participants per group, and there are 4 groups a day, that means that there are 512 people competing each day. Over the course of 4 days, that means only a total of 2048 participants, despite 2500+ people registering.
Of those people who aren't showing up for the qualifiers, I really hope that there's not a large fallout in the 250+ foreigners stated to have registered. So far, we've seen so few non-Korean names :[. If they made the commitment to come to Korea, I would have thought we'd definitely be seeing more of their names in these brackets by now.
When they said 250 foreigners they didnt mean 250 from the EU/NA. I'd put 20 buks down that a whole bunch of them are from places like China or Taiwan.
I suspect it's actually gomtv padding the numbers or Koreans accidently misrepresenting themselves as foreigners or foreigners signing up with no intent to show up. Since we only know of 2 Chinese players attempting to qualify and only about 15 foreigners all together, it's hard to make up the other 235 by other speculation
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
He was actually invited into the tournament you are talking about, so its a bad example
Lol, fair enough! Does the first half of my sentence still hold hold true? I was under the impression he was pretty much unknown by the community, but he produced some incredibly interesting games. This was the main point I was trying to make.
Mostly ye, known to some parts of it (german scene, supreme commander community).
On October 10 2010 16:06 Hesmyrr wrote: Savior[amc] is obviously the way to go.
1) arnc, not amc 2) I think [name] would be better 3) "fake yellow" worked fine as an alternative for yarnc. I vote for fake savior until something better shows up!
Edit: oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken, TLO was a complete nobody when everyone fell in love with him. Imagine if he didn't get to play that tourny cause some other "named" player had automatically got a spot?
He was actually invited into the tournament you are talking about, so its a bad example
Lol, fair enough! Does the first half of my sentence still hold hold true? I was under the impression he was pretty much unknown by the community, but he produced some incredibly interesting games. This was the main point I was trying to make.
Mostly ye, known to some parts of it (german scene, supreme commander community).
I actually followed alot of TLO's games in supcom. I am going to get a lot of hate for this, but I still think supcom is a game involving more skill than sc2. The only thing lacking in supcom is the large community we have here for sc. Anyways, I am not surprised TLO was so good from the getgo having the multitasking from supcom.
On October 10 2010 15:32 z00t wrote: I'm also seriously hoping that we won't get really stacked brackets coming up :[.
If there are 128 total participants per group, and there are 4 groups a day, that means that there are 512 people competing each day. Over the course of 4 days, that means only a total of 2048 participants, despite 2500+ people registering.
Of those people who aren't showing up for the qualifiers, I really hope that there's not a large fallout in the 250+ foreigners stated to have registered. So far, we've seen so few non-Korean names :[. If they made the commitment to come to Korea, I would have thought we'd definitely be seeing more of their names in these brackets by now.
When they said 250 foreigners they didnt mean 250 from the EU/NA. I'd put 20 buks down that a whole bunch of them are from places like China or Taiwan.
Well, not that you are claiming otherwise but their statement would still be correct. There isnt really a reason for them not to call a Chinese or Taiwanese a foreigner now is there. Perhaps they should rather refer to actual SC2 servers instead of nationalities since its mostly in those groups we place people in this community I assume.
Even so, I would imagine that the percentage of non show ups are extremly much higher from NA/Europeans then Koreans. I dont find it at all impossible that 250 actually signed and 90% of them either got second thoughts, couldnt afford the trip or just signed up for lols since afaik you dont get in any sort of trouble for signing and not showing.
Nooooo Tasteless!!! Man, I hope one day Tasteless and Artosis qualify in a future GSL tournament together. Imagine them facing off in like the Ro32. Haha, who would be casting?
//edit// Yikes, Tasteless. 2-0? Must not be over that cold from the GSL1 finals...
to be fair to tasteless and artosis, I have a feeling they could be pretty darn good if they spent all their time in Korea playing and training, but they have other obligations and goals :D. Not saying they would be as established in the scene as Idra or anything, but I do think that they have potential, more so artosis at this point since I think he plays more sc2. Sucks that casting and their gsl jobs take up so much time (Edit: But I do enjoy their casting, don't stop ..... )
When they said 250 foreigners they didnt mean 250 from the EU/NA. I'd put 20 buks down that a whole bunch of them are from places like China or Taiwan.
I'd just like to state that I'm aware of that, which is why I specifically said "non-korean" names, as opposed to "English names" .
lol Semi Final Group B still in progress. Minseongi (CupidWeRRa, Z) players, and Joo Hyun Soo (Smooth chicken, T) points to the players right after a D
Again was winning 1:1. Zerg user squeezing the blood flowing from the moment that two fists!
[17:05] 드디어 오늘의 첫 저그 본선 진출자가 등장했네요! 민선기(CupidWeRRa) 선수, 주현수(반반치킨) 선수의 테란을 맞아 마지막 경기에서 사신러쉬를 침착하게 막아낸 후 역공으로 본선 진출권을 따냅니다.
--> (rough translation) CupidWerra is the first Zerg player to qualify today, he held off a Reaper rush and then (did something) and qualified himself.
김기현 advances to C-1 Ro8 (Might be ZeRaTul or nihao. Unconfirmed) 정방민 advances to C-1 Ro8 (Probably UFOMercy) 김수호 advances to C-2 Ro8 (No Clue) 최진솔 advances to C-2 Ro8 (Might be Rain)
[17:15] 죄송합니다 결과 전달에 차질이 있었습니다. 민선기 선수의 저그가 아닌 주현수 선수의 테란이 본선에 진출한 것이었군요..다시 한 번 사과의 말씀 드립니다. 정확한 전달이 되도록 하겠습니다
--> Sorry but we messed up, Cupidwerra DIDN'T advance, it was actually his Terran opponent 주현수 who advanced. We apologise once again for the mistake, and we will try to be more accurate =/
So we have another ID to rechristen besides 나비효과 (Butterfly Effect a.k.a. ChaosTheory?). 반반치킨 can directly be translated to BanBanChicken or HalfHalfChicken, so I propose HHChicken.
On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly?
I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet.
On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly?
I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet.
is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy.
On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly?
I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet.
is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy.
The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_-
On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly?
I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet.
is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy.
Probably had an easy bracket. What kind of scares me is that the top zergs still haven't played and the longer that goes the more likely it is that they'll kick each other out in a fail-bracket!
It's really not looking great for Zerg, sure we didn't had a lot good Zerg play yet, but on the other hand I can see lots of no name Terrans who managed to qualify.
On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly?
I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet.
I agree, to a point. Losira failed to qualify, but he did lose to good player TankboyPrime. But it still does look like we are going to see less Zergs than in GSL1. Althought the average quality of the zergs will probably be higher.
When the lead producer of SC2 says Zerg are too difficult and too boring to play no fucking wonder SC2 is practically a 2 race game at the competitive level.
The last 2 days of qualifiers will be STACKED with the succesful players from season 1.
Putting on my tin foil hat, the players/brackets seem non-random. eg I think this is rigged. I think that gomTV is looking to find new players to test this season, hence the experienced players from season 1 have mostly been placed in the last two days. If the season1 r64 players were evenly spread out among the 4 days, there wouldn't be as many new faces.
On October 10 2010 18:01 thesighter wrote: The last 2 days of qualifiers will be STACKED with the succesful players from season 1.
Putting on my tin foil hat, the players/brackets seem non-random. eg I think this is rigged. I think that gomTV is looking to find new players to test this season, hence the experienced players from season 1 have mostly been placed in the last two days. If the season1 r64 players were evenly spread out among the 4 days, there wouldn't be as many new faces.
That makes zero sense. GOM has every incentive to rig the competition in the other direction; that is, to try to put successful players from last season against the least power competition possible.
On October 10 2010 18:01 thesighter wrote: The last 2 days of qualifiers will be STACKED with the succesful players from season 1.
Putting on my tin foil hat, the players/brackets seem non-random. eg I think this is rigged. I think that gomTV is looking to find new players to test this season, hence the experienced players from season 1 have mostly been placed in the last two days. If the season1 r64 players were evenly spread out among the 4 days, there wouldn't be as many new faces.
That makes zero sense. GOM has every incentive to rig the competition in the other direction; that is, to try to put successful players from last season against the least power competition possible.
No it actually makes a lot of sense. The primary purpose of these qualifiers is to find 96 players for their 2011 season.
On October 10 2010 18:01 thesighter wrote: The last 2 days of qualifiers will be STACKED with the succesful players from season 1.
Putting on my tin foil hat, the players/brackets seem non-random. eg I think this is rigged. I think that gomTV is looking to find new players to test this season, hence the experienced players from season 1 have mostly been placed in the last two days. If the season1 r64 players were evenly spread out among the 4 days, there wouldn't be as many new faces.
That makes zero sense. GOM has every incentive to rig the competition in the other direction; that is, to try to put successful players from last season against the least power competition possible.
Remember, this is GSL pre-season. The first season proper starts in the new year. These are ranking tournaments. Sure they could rank them but that is not the purpose of these events. These are to get the rankings to use in season one.
On October 10 2010 18:01 thesighter wrote: The last 2 days of qualifiers will be STACKED with the succesful players from season 1.
Putting on my tin foil hat, the players/brackets seem non-random. eg I think this is rigged. I think that gomTV is looking to find new players to test this season, hence the experienced players from season 1 have mostly been placed in the last two days. If the season1 r64 players were evenly spread out among the 4 days, there wouldn't be as many new faces.
Exactly the imperfection of the spread is what I think proof that its random. Besides, GomTV has no intrest in finding new players.
On October 10 2010 18:04 Niick wrote: @Thesighter, maybe a crap load of the ones from season 1 just didn't try out? maybe they have other things going on.. who knows! we'll find out!
I find that hard to believe, given the potential prize pool. If a significant number of them don't try out, I'd say that the tourney organizers probably passed word on down for not all of the season 1 folks to show up.
On October 10 2010 18:09 Ascorius wrote: I havent read the whole thread, but does anyone know when my favourite fruitdealer qualifies? Cuz, il start punching my screen if he doesnt qualify.
On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly?
I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet.
is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy.
The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_-
The good zergs are yet to come.
fine, ill spell it out, my point is that random terrans and protoss are qualifying while people somehow find it that only big named zergs are worthy of passing qualification. unless someone can collect the entire statistics for qualification players that would show that the zerg players are far inferior to T/P ones(and on the race percentile basis not server percentile) the conclusions are what they are.
On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly?
I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet.
is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy.
The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_-
The good zergs are yet to come.
fine, ill spell it out, my point is that random terrans and protoss are qualifying while people somehow find it that only big named zergs are worthy of passing qualification.
Look at the "notable eliminated players" section. How many zergs are there? How many Terrans and Protosses are there? More "known" tosses and terrans are getting eliminated by unknowns than zergs are.
On October 10 2010 18:09 Ascorius wrote: I havent read the whole thread, but does anyone know when my favourite fruitdealer qualifies? Cuz, il start punching my screen if he doesnt qualify.
On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly?
I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet.
is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy.
The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_-
The good zergs are yet to come.
fine, ill spell it out, my point is that random terrans and protoss are qualifying while people somehow find it that only big named zergs are worthy of passing qualification.
Look at the "notable eliminated players" section. How many zergs are there? How many Terrans and Protosses are there? More "known" tosses and terrans are getting eliminated by unknowns than zergs are.
what about day1 failed to qualify? That seemed heavily dominated by the red fellows.
On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly?
I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet.
I agree, to a point. Losira failed to qualify, but he did lose to good player TankboyPrime. But it still does look like we are going to see less Zergs than in GSL1. Althought the average quality of the zergs will probably be higher.
Yeah, agreed. As HolydaKing said though, that means they might be in potentially stacked brackets overall or just plain be forced to eliminate each other to get the round of 64. Cezanne going on now, so gogo Cezanne ;D
From a marketing standpoint it would benefit gsl to have a lot of new faces each season in the ro64.
They are trying to perpetuate the image that GSL and SC2 are open to everyone, and that everyone has a shot at 85k. They can't perpetuate that image if the same pros are in the ro64 every month.
Do I think it is rigged? Who knows, not particularly...
Do I think blizzard/gretech would go so far as to set their brackets up in a way that helps to market their league and game the way they want it to be marketed? Yes I think they are capable of it.
If you aren't biased you can see how gimmicky and transparent the approach to sc2 has been.
Whether it be asking tasteless early on to make sure he does zoom-ins on units and structures to advertise the graphics and pretty lights in sc2 (i thought this was about the competition and esports, not about highlighting the games graphics) or whether it be making sure tasteless talks about how packed the studio is when there are only a few rows of people.
I don't agree with that kind of tacky marketing strategy myself, I say if you are going to market sc2 as an esport let it stand on it's own merits, and if it is incapable of standing on it's own merits then you shouldn't be pushing it as an esport.
On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly?
I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet.
is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy.
The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_-
The good zergs are yet to come.
fine, ill spell it out, my point is that random terrans and protoss are qualifying while people somehow find it that only big named zergs are worthy of passing qualification.
Look at the "notable eliminated players" section. How many zergs are there? How many Terrans and Protosses are there? More "known" tosses and terrans are getting eliminated by unknowns than zergs are.
what about day1 failed to qualify? That seemed heavily dominated by the red fellows.
The people on GTR's Day 1 list got on that list for reasons other than the quality of their play. Artosis, Luffy, GoStop, and Haypro are on that list because they're special in some way. GTR didn't keep a "these guys were high on ladder but lost anyway" list. The list that he posted was an afterthought and is pretty irrelevant when discussing balance.
On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly?
I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet.
is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy.
The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_-
The good zergs are yet to come.
fine, ill spell it out, my point is that random terrans and protoss are qualifying while people somehow find it that only big named zergs are worthy of passing qualification.
Look at the "notable eliminated players" section. How many zergs are there? How many Terrans and Protosses are there? More "known" tosses and terrans are getting eliminated by unknowns than zergs are.
what about day1 failed to qualify? That seemed heavily dominated by the red fellows.
GTR's Day 1 list is based on things other than on quality. Artosis, Luffy, GoStop, and Haypro are on that list because they're special in some way. GTR didn't keep a "these guys were high on ladder but lost anyway" list. His list is pretty irrelevant when discussing balance; mine is not.
All those players +losira are pretty notable and highly ranked on the ladder(aside from gostop i dont know his account and artosis, but he makes up for it by being a gsl 1 qualifier). But allright, will just have to reserve judgement till the qualifiers are over. However, on a personal level, do you think we will see improvement over next two days?
On October 10 2010 17:35 bRuTaL!! wrote: It aint looking pretty for the Zerg. Weird. Balance or a statistical anomaly?
I haven't noticed any of the bigger names in qualifications yet like Cool, Check, Sopia, Junwi, Cezanne, Zenio, NesTea, TheWinD, jookTo, etc... I think it's clear Zerg still struggles the most, but I think the number being really, really low is a product of a lot of the bigger names not playing yet.
is this sarcasm? Cause i cant help but notice a #1099 kr ladder terran guy.
The #1099 Terran beat a zerg who's been only playing team games in his last 25 games -_-
The good zergs are yet to come.
fine, ill spell it out, my point is that random terrans and protoss are qualifying while people somehow find it that only big named zergs are worthy of passing qualification.
Look at the "notable eliminated players" section. How many zergs are there? How many Terrans and Protosses are there? More "known" tosses and terrans are getting eliminated by unknowns than zergs are.
what about day1 failed to qualify? That seemed heavily dominated by the red fellows.
GTR's Day 1 list is based on things other than on quality. Artosis, Luffy, GoStop, and Haypro are on that list because they're special in some way. GTR didn't keep a "these guys were high on ladder but lost anyway" list. His list is pretty irrelevant when discussing balance; mine is not.
All those players +losira are pretty notable and highly ranked on the ladder(aside from gostop i dont know his account and artosis, but he makes up for it by being a gsl 1 qualifier). But allright, will just have to reserve judgement till the qualifiers are over. However, on a personal level, do you think we will see improvement over next two days?
Of course. Otherwise I wouldn't be arguing with you.
haha lotzeprime lost i hate that guy lol . GoStop is Undead? It seems undead like to choose zerg, undead was practically modelled after them to begin with
Nope, they're in slightly different brackets. If they both win the Round of 64 though, I BELIEVE they will face in the Round of 32 (correct me if I'm wrong).
I would be even more furious if boxer and july qualified just for both of them to face eachother in the ro32 (if I think each group finalists = ro64 match and D1 winner vs D2 winner = ro32 etc ><
On October 10 2010 18:48 infinity2k9 wrote: Why are they blatantly lying about the number of foreigners involved?
And how do you know they are lying about the numbers? There are a lot of no-appearances which might be due to the foreigners. If I remember yesterday there was in 1 bracket 48 or was it 64 players not appearing. Making it much more easier for the low level players to advance in that bracket (which I certainly hope not).
Well i don't think they should say it at all when its clearly misleading, by the fact there's only like 15 trying to qualify. They are trying to give the impression its a proper international tournament when it's not.
On October 10 2010 18:52 infinity2k9 wrote: Well i don't think they should say it at all when its clearly misleading, by the fact there's only like 15 trying to qualify.
They said it before the qualifications started. What do you expect them to do?
On October 10 2010 18:47 shannn wrote: I would be even more furious if boxer and july qualified just for both of them to face eachother in the ro32 (if I think each group finalists = ro64 match and D1 winner vs D2 winner = ro32 etc ><
I am quite sure that last time, the qualifier brackets had no connection to the main event bracket.
On October 10 2010 18:52 infinity2k9 wrote: Well i don't think they should say it at all when its clearly misleading, by the fact there's only like 15 trying to qualify.
They said it before the qualifications started. What do you expect them to do?
Um not mention it at all, like i said its misleading.
Yes the guy might be #19 KR, but remember, Boxer is both the 9th and 72nd ranked in korean server....give him some credit where its due. He may have a tough route but he's still favored.
On October 10 2010 18:52 infinity2k9 wrote: Well i don't think they should say it at all when its clearly misleading, by the fact there's only like 15 trying to qualify.
They said it before the qualifications started. What do you expect them to do?
Um not mention it at all, like i said its misleading.
On October 10 2010 18:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: Yes the guy might be #19 KR, but remember, Boxer is both the 9th and 72nd ranked in korean server....give him some credit where its due. He may have a tough route but he's still favored.
On October 10 2010 18:47 shannn wrote: I would be even more furious if boxer and july qualified just for both of them to face eachother in the ro32 (if I think each group finalists = ro64 match and D1 winner vs D2 winner = ro32 etc ><
I am quite sure that last time, the qualifier brackets had no connection to the main event bracket.
Thanks that is a big relief. The reason I thought like this was Idra was in the first bracket too and qualified and had to play the first opening match so it made me think that way.
On October 10 2010 18:52 infinity2k9 wrote: Well i don't think they should say it at all when its clearly misleading, by the fact there's only like 15 trying to qualify.
They said it before the qualifications started. What do you expect them to do?
Um not mention it at all, like i said its misleading.
I think you need to get over it
Eh do i seem really bothered by it or something? Why are you so defensive. I think it's just lame to claim "250 foreigners from 48 countries, wow!" on their website.
plz let boxer win :D Boxer qualifying would do so much good for the sc2 scene in korea and worldwide in my opinion :D (and NaDa and July qualifying too).
On October 10 2010 18:52 infinity2k9 wrote: Well i don't think they should say it at all when its clearly misleading, by the fact there's only like 15 trying to qualify.
They said it before the qualifications started. What do you expect them to do?
Um not mention it at all, like i said its misleading.
I think you need to get over it
Eh do i seem really bothered by it or something? Why are you so defensive. I think it's just lame to claim "250 foreigners from 48 countries, wow!" on their website.
Why would you make a powerfully worded accusation like "Why are they blatantly lying about the number of foreigners involved?" if you didn't want people to get defensive?
On October 10 2010 18:52 infinity2k9 wrote: Well i don't think they should say it at all when its clearly misleading, by the fact there's only like 15 trying to qualify.
They said it before the qualifications started. What do you expect them to do?
Um not mention it at all, like i said its misleading.
I think you need to get over it
Eh do i seem really bothered by it or something? Why are you so defensive. I think it's just lame to claim "250 foreigners from 48 countries, wow!" on their website.
What are they supposed to do? 250 players from 48 countries signed up, but they couldn't possibly know how many would actually show up.
On October 10 2010 18:52 infinity2k9 wrote: Well i don't think they should say it at all when its clearly misleading, by the fact there's only like 15 trying to qualify.
They said it before the qualifications started. What do you expect them to do?
Um not mention it at all, like i said its misleading.
I think you need to get over it
Eh do i seem really bothered by it or something? Why are you so defensive. I think it's just lame to claim "250 foreigners from 48 countries, wow!" on their website.
Those are the people that have registered is it that hard to understand ?
On October 10 2010 18:52 infinity2k9 wrote: Well i don't think they should say it at all when its clearly misleading, by the fact there's only like 15 trying to qualify.
They said it before the qualifications started. What do you expect them to do?
Um not mention it at all, like i said its misleading.
I think you need to get over it
Eh do i seem really bothered by it or something? Why are you so defensive. I think it's just lame to claim "250 foreigners from 48 countries, wow!" on their website.
Ton's of people probably signed up that didn't realize you had to physically be in S.Korea to compete in the qualifiers. Which is why Tastosis kept hammering it in during their casts that people should cancel if they can't be there physically. But if that many people didn't cancel, I don't know why they WOULDN'T promote it, as it is a big thing that so many foreigners would be competing in such a tournament, as it never happened in BW. It's not their fault that only a few of the foreigners showed up.
Hey guys lets not argue? It's just going to escalate. We are in edge of our seats with boxer playing so lets just enjoy the possibility to see the emperor on the stage again.
On October 10 2010 18:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: Yes the guy might be #19 KR, but remember, Boxer is both the 9th and 72nd ranked in korean server....give him some credit where its due. He may have a tough route but he's still favored.
On October 10 2010 18:52 infinity2k9 wrote: Well i don't think they should say it at all when its clearly misleading, by the fact there's only like 15 trying to qualify.
They said it before the qualifications started. What do you expect them to do?
Um not mention it at all, like i said its misleading.
I think you need to get over it
Eh do i seem really bothered by it or something? Why are you so defensive. I think it's just lame to claim "250 foreigners from 48 countries, wow!" on their website.
Why would you make a powerfully worded accusation like "Why are they blatantly lying about the number of foreigners involved?" if you didn't want people to get defensive?
Ok i worded it a little harshly i don't want to get into an argument, i just think its a bit wrong to say this to try and make it sound like more of an international tournament than it really is. For all intents and purposes anyone competing has to be living in Korea.
On October 10 2010 18:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: Yes the guy might be #19 KR, but remember, Boxer is both the 9th and 72nd ranked in korean server....give him some credit where its due. He may have a tough route but he's still favored.
On October 10 2010 18:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: Yes the guy might be #19 KR, but remember, Boxer is both the 9th and 72nd ranked in korean server....give him some credit where its due. He may have a tough route but he's still favored.
no hes not... Imposter BoxeR is the 9th
Why post when you obviously know nothing about the subject?
On October 10 2010 18:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: Yes the guy might be #19 KR, but remember, Boxer is both the 9th and 72nd ranked in korean server....give him some credit where its due. He may have a tough route but he's still favored.
no hes not... Imposter BoxeR is the 9th
Why post when you obviously know nothing about the subject?
Boxer is ManOfOneWay AND BoxeR.
No he is not. Boxer is ManOfOneWay and Slayer. NOT BoxeR
On October 10 2010 18:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: Yes the guy might be #19 KR, but remember, Boxer is both the 9th and 72nd ranked in korean server....give him some credit where its due. He may have a tough route but he's still favored.
no hes not... Imposter BoxeR is the 9th
Why post when you obviously know nothing about the subject?
Boxer is ManOfOneWay AND BoxeR.
Not to pile on but... might want to take your own advice.
On October 10 2010 18:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: Yes the guy might be #19 KR, but remember, Boxer is both the 9th and 72nd ranked in korean server....give him some credit where its due. He may have a tough route but he's still favored.
no hes not... Imposter BoxeR is the 9th
Why post when you obviously know nothing about the subject?
Boxer is ManOfOneWay AND BoxeR.
No he is not. Boxer is ManOfOneWay and Slayers. NOT BoxeR
He is ManOfOneWay and Slayer ...not Slayers two different accounts
On October 10 2010 18:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: Yes the guy might be #19 KR, but remember, Boxer is both the 9th and 72nd ranked in korean server....give him some credit where its due. He may have a tough route but he's still favored.
no hes not... Imposter BoxeR is the 9th
Why post when you obviously know nothing about the subject?
Boxer is ManOfOneWay AND BoxeR.
Why post when you obviously know nothing about the subject?
On October 10 2010 18:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: Yes the guy might be #19 KR, but remember, Boxer is both the 9th and 72nd ranked in korean server....give him some credit where its due. He may have a tough route but he's still favored.
no hes not... Imposter BoxeR is the 9th
Why post when you obviously know nothing about the subject?
Boxer is ManOfOneWay AND BoxeR.
No he is not. Boxer is ManOfOneWay and Slayers. NOT BoxeR
On October 10 2010 18:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: Yes the guy might be #19 KR, but remember, Boxer is both the 9th and 72nd ranked in korean server....give him some credit where its due. He may have a tough route but he's still favored.
no hes not... Imposter BoxeR is the 9th
Why post when you obviously know nothing about the subject?
Boxer is ManOfOneWay AND BoxeR.
No he is not. Boxer is ManOfOneWay and Slayers. NOT BoxeR
He is ManOfOneWay and Slayer ...not Slayers two different accounts
Yea had to ninja edit that out :D Remembered that Slayers is protoss and that Slayer is the right thing. Too late I guess ^^
On October 10 2010 18:52 infinity2k9 wrote: Well i don't think they should say it at all when its clearly misleading, by the fact there's only like 15 trying to qualify.
They said it before the qualifications started. What do you expect them to do?
Um not mention it at all, like i said its misleading.
I think you need to get over it
Eh do i seem really bothered by it or something? Why are you so defensive. I think it's just lame to claim "250 foreigners from 48 countries, wow!" on their website.
Why would you make a powerfully worded accusation like "Why are they blatantly lying about the number of foreigners involved?" if you didn't want people to get defensive?
Ok i worded it a little harshly i don't want to get into an argument, i just think its a bit wrong to say this to try and make it sound like more of an international tournament than it really is. For all intents and purposes anyone competing has to be living in Korea.
Yo, wtf is wrong with saying 250 foreigners have registered when 250 of them actually did register?
it was obvious that a lot of them were not gonna actually turn up
Apparently, Boxer's not playing #19 guy. He's playing another terran player with the same name. Thought it was bit weird to match such high ranking players early on oh well.
On October 10 2010 18:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: Yes the guy might be #19 KR, but remember, Boxer is both the 9th and 72nd ranked in korean server....give him some credit where its due. He may have a tough route but he's still favored.
no hes not... Imposter BoxeR is the 9th
Why post when you obviously know nothing about the subject?
Boxer is ManOfOneWay AND BoxeR.
No he is not. Boxer is ManOfOneWay and Slayers. NOT BoxeR
He is ManOfOneWay and Slayer ...not Slayers two different accounts
Amazing how many people jump on my ass when they're wrong.
Boxer is not boxer, he's #1 in the most recent rankings SlayerS is a protoss, thats not boxer, boxer is confirmed to manofoneway (9th on blizz rankings) and Slayer (72nd on the ranks).
On October 10 2010 19:07 rlagksquf wrote: Yo, wtf is wrong with saying 250 foreigners have registered when 250 of them actually did register?
it was obvious that a lot of them were not gonna actually turn up
Ok ok i don't know why people are getting so mad over this. Boasting about 250 foreigners registering when 95% won't take part and didn't even understand you have to be in Korea sounds like its being deliberately misleading to me, if you don't agree then fine.
Boxer advances to ro8 with a by apparently - the dude who originally posted on the GSL site that Boxer won the first game with cheese is a fake, I think. Don't take my word for it though, there're different reports coming up and the reliable sources (the GSL official who's keeping us updated) seems too busy watching Boxer's matches lol
That seems kinda unlikely, are you sure? :o How can a silver players get through so many players to even play boxer
League doesnt rly matter, I learned that a few days ago when I totally smashed a 1700 diamond terran and then a few mins later got totally smashed by a 800 gold terran (tho I srsly think someone was smurfing or smth).
On October 10 2010 19:26 raga4ka wrote: Who did July lost to ? I'm dissapointed
Some protoss guy..and his name is GayBar..rofl How gay
This is actually real, the guys ID is GayBar hahahaha.
LoL. I'd love to hear July's interview. "GayBar played very well and I made a few mistakes. I learned to never ever drop a soap again." EDIT: GayBar = Blue Oyster Bar? tu tu ru tutu tuuu
On October 10 2010 19:38 smileyyy wrote: anybody with korean Sc2 account can check the BO GayBar () used
Edit: I wanted somebody to look up the BO he used. plz
I think GSL players get provided with Blizzard accounts that are not their own, cause i tried to look up IdrA's games, but the Match History for them didn't exist
I don't get the point why so many here wants to have their "former" BW heros advance into R64 (someone even said "rig" the brackets). Seriously it does not matter if some dude was good in some other game. If that dude isn't good enough in SC2 to qualify for a major tournament then he does not deserve to be in. Period.
SC2 is a new game for new heroes and new epic stories.
PS: Yay first post! The Lurker was my favourite unit in BW anyway.
Dang julyzerg took a pounding from gaybar. His thermal lance was just too much for him to handle. But with a smile like that you can't say he wasn't satisfied.
On October 10 2010 19:45 pikapika wrote: GayBar used 4 gate all-ins two games on a row, I hear.
If that's true then July deserved to lose. I mean, it's not like 4 gating isn't a commonly seen strategy that you would expect if you were a big name player like July going into the qualifiers. I guess this just proves that being good at BW doesn't mean you're automatically the best at SC2.
On October 10 2010 19:44 mitthrawn wrote: I don't get the point why so many here wants to have their "former" BW heros advance into R64 (someone even said "rig" the brackets). Seriously it does not matter if some dude was good in some other game. If that dude isn't good enough in SC2 to qualify for a major tournament then he does not deserve to be in. Period.
SC2 is a new game for new heroes and new epic stories.
PS: Yay first post! The Lurker was my favourite unit in BW anyway.
Do you follow sports at all? People tend to end up liking certain athletes / competitors / players.
On October 10 2010 19:45 pikapika wrote: GayBar used 4 gate all-ins two games on a row, I hear.
i understand now why he using GayBar nick,he is fucking gay if this real !!
Why? I understand your frustration, I myself am not thrilled about it either, but if he wins with 4gate all-in why not go for it? I see it more as a July's mistake. I'd like to believe top players are capable of defending cheeses/surviving all-ins.
Dang julyzerg took a pounding from gaybar. His thermal lance was just too much for him to handle. But with a smile like that you can't say he wasn't satisfied.
On October 10 2010 19:44 mitthrawn wrote: I don't get the point why so many here wants to have their "former" BW heros advance into R64 (someone even said "rig" the brackets). Seriously it does not matter if some dude was good in some other game. If that dude isn't good enough in SC2 to qualify for a major tournament then he does not deserve to be in. Period.
SC2 is a new game for new heroes and new epic stories.
PS: Yay first post! The Lurker was my favourite unit in BW anyway.
Do you follow sports at all? People tend to end up liking certain athletes / competitors / players.
What is your point bro? If my favourite football is rubbish then it doesn't deserve to win anything at all. I would rather see some other team advancing/winning and playing well than my "own" team because I know they don't belong there.
On October 10 2010 19:44 mitthrawn wrote: I don't get the point why so many here wants to have their "former" BW heros advance into R64 (someone even said "rig" the brackets). Seriously it does not matter if some dude was good in some other game. If that dude isn't good enough in SC2 to qualify for a major tournament then he does not deserve to be in. Period.
SC2 is a new game for new heroes and new epic stories.
PS: Yay first post! The Lurker was my favourite unit in BW anyway.
Do you follow sports at all? People tend to end up liking certain athletes / competitors / players.
What is your point bro? If my favourite football is rubbish then it doesn't deserve to win anything at all. I would rather see some other team advancing/winning and playing well than my "own" team because I know they don't belong there.
On October 10 2010 19:59 mitthrawn wrote: What is your point bro? If my favourite football is rubbish then it doesn't deserve to win anything at all. I would rather see some other team advancing/winning and playing well than my "own" team because I know they don't belong there.
Good to hear that space aliens also post on TL.net. Welcome to planet Earth!
We humans tend to hero worship, especially in sports.
On October 10 2010 19:44 mitthrawn wrote: I don't get the point why so many here wants to have their "former" BW heros advance into R64 (someone even said "rig" the brackets). Seriously it does not matter if some dude was good in some other game. If that dude isn't good enough in SC2 to qualify for a major tournament then he does not deserve to be in. Period.
SC2 is a new game for new heroes and new epic stories.
PS: Yay first post! The Lurker was my favourite unit in BW anyway.
Do you follow sports at all? People tend to end up liking certain athletes / competitors / players.
What is your point bro? If my favourite football is rubbish then it doesn't deserve to win anything at all. I would rather see some other team advancing/winning and playing well than my "own" team because I know they don't belong there.
If so, you just lack passion in your fandom IMO. Being a fan isn't about using your brain to reach logical conclusions, it's all about heart. When you truly feel for a team or a player, you will get sad if they lose. Period.
On October 10 2010 20:05 Holgerius wrote: If so, you just lack passion in your fandom IMO. Being a fan isn't about using your brain to reach logical conclusions, it's all about heart. When you truly feel for a team or a player, you will get sad if they lose. Period.
BOXER, post-match interview at RO8 - I was surprised to hear that Bakseongjun got eliminated - It's kind of difficult to prepare for the match especially when you don't know who the opponent is
Hoping for some Boxer magic. I know he's got it in him. He won't get rattled by all the qualifying cheese. Following all of this without a stream or concept of time is hard on the heart.
ouch, moon and july both not qualifying... sucks for us and for gom. they lost quite some starpower there...
btw am i the only one who thinks that the qualifiers are still too random and unfair? some ppl play against total scrubs while others have to beat several very strong players to qualify....
On October 10 2010 20:24 Black Gun wrote: ouch, moon and july both not qualifying... sucks for us and for gom. they lost quite some starpower there...
btw am i the only one who thinks that the qualifiers are still too random and unfair? some ppl play against total scrubs while others have to beat several very strong players to qualify....
Welcome to an open tournament. Enjoy your stay.
It's equally fair to everyone, because it's an open tournament, so you have a chance of being matched up against anyone.
On October 10 2010 20:24 Black Gun wrote: ouch, moon and july both not qualifying... sucks for us and for gom. they lost quite some starpower there...
btw am i the only one who thinks that the qualifiers are still too random and unfair? some ppl play against total scrubs while others have to beat several very strong players to qualify....
They sure are. Imagine if you had three strong players who all could take the game of the other and have the possibility to go far into the tournament. Except now they are all in the same bracket and only one can make it through. Meanwhile some guy has to fight a bunch of no-shows and gets into the tournament that way... I don't like it.
On October 10 2010 19:44 mitthrawn wrote: I don't get the point why so many here wants to have their "former" BW heros advance into R64 (someone even said "rig" the brackets). Seriously it does not matter if some dude was good in some other game. If that dude isn't good enough in SC2 to qualify for a major tournament then he does not deserve to be in. Period.
SC2 is a new game for new heroes and new epic stories.
PS: Yay first post! The Lurker was my favourite unit in BW anyway.
Do you follow sports at all? People tend to end up liking certain athletes / competitors / players.
What is your point bro? If my favourite football is rubbish then it doesn't deserve to win anything at all. I would rather see some other team advancing/winning and playing well than my "own" team because I know they don't belong there.
The first three GSL's are preseasons though so there'll be seeding and stuff later on and presumably bracketing will gradually start spreading out high ranked players more evenly.
You gotta realize that in BW there are years worth of accumulated Kespa points that can be used for bracketing, and in SC2 there's nothing.
On October 10 2010 20:24 Black Gun wrote: ouch, moon and july both not qualifying... sucks for us and for gom. they lost quite some starpower there...
btw am i the only one who thinks that the qualifiers are still too random and unfair? some ppl play against total scrubs while others have to beat several very strong players to qualify....
They sure are. Imagine if you had three strong players who all could take the game of the other and have the possibility to go far into the tournament. Except now they are all in the same bracket and only one can make it through. Meanwhile some guy has to fight a bunch of no-shows and gets into the tournament that way... I don't like it.
maybe they should've done it with a losers bracket as well...
On October 10 2010 20:24 Black Gun wrote: ouch, moon and july both not qualifying... sucks for us and for gom. they lost quite some starpower there...
btw am i the only one who thinks that the qualifiers are still too random and unfair? some ppl play against total scrubs while others have to beat several very strong players to qualify....
im not a fan of single elimination either. i have no idea how GSL seeds but a loser bracket gives the best chance that the top 2 players will play in the finals, with or without proper seeding.
On October 10 2010 20:24 Black Gun wrote: ouch, moon and july both not qualifying... sucks for us and for gom. they lost quite some starpower there...
btw am i the only one who thinks that the qualifiers are still too random and unfair? some ppl play against total scrubs while others have to beat several very strong players to qualify....
They sure are. Imagine if you had three strong players who all could take the game of the other and have the possibility to go far into the tournament. Except now they are all in the same bracket and only one can make it through. Meanwhile some guy has to fight a bunch of no-shows and gets into the tournament that way... I don't like it.
Sometimes players get lucky. Sometimes players you want to see don't qualify. You eventually will play good players and people that show up that want the $85k as much or more than you do.
On October 10 2010 20:24 Black Gun wrote: ouch, moon and july both not qualifying... sucks for us and for gom. they lost quite some starpower there...
btw am i the only one who thinks that the qualifiers are still too random and unfair? some ppl play against total scrubs while others have to beat several very strong players to qualify....
I have nothing against open qualifiers, but I think the way gsl does them is retarded.
For starters, grids should only be done on day, after a confirmed sign up. Some people having 3 free matches, while others getting none or 1 is very unfair.
Also I don't think it should be single elim, very easy to have 2 deserving players in same draw.
On October 10 2010 19:38 smileyyy wrote: anybody with korean Sc2 account can check the BO GayBar () used
Edit: I wanted somebody to look up the BO he used. plz
I think GSL players get provided with Blizzard accounts that are not their own, cause i tried to look up IdrA's games, but the Match History for them didn't exist
On October 10 2010 20:34 Pekkz wrote: Julyzerg not making it is so fucking annoying, even more sad is being eliminated by a player called gaybar.
There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess? yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
I'm sorry but if you really want zerg that can't hold out 4 gate all-in from 1400 diamond, when foreigners no longer have trouble with than your retarded, not pre-liminaries
On October 10 2010 20:34 Pekkz wrote: Julyzerg not making it is so fucking annoying, even more sad is being eliminated by a player called gaybar.
There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess? yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
Yes, people named Julyzerg should get a free pass and everyone else should have to work their way though prelims.
no where in my post did i imply that JulyZerg or any of the big names should've gotten a free pass, i'm saying they just lost some ratings potential with July being eliminated. and you do not agree that the way that this preliminary isn't as fair it should've been?
On October 10 2010 19:38 smileyyy wrote: anybody with korean Sc2 account can check the BO GayBar () used
Edit: I wanted somebody to look up the BO he used. plz
I think GSL players get provided with Blizzard accounts that are not their own, cause i tried to look up IdrA's games, but the Match History for them didn't exist
i thought they have a special lan versin for gsl?
Of Bnet? No. Artosis said that Blizzard is providing them with the accounts, just to avoid any ingame messages etc ingame.
On October 10 2010 20:34 Pekkz wrote: Julyzerg not making it is so fucking annoying, even more sad is being eliminated by a player called gaybar.
There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess? yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
Yes, people named Julyzerg should get a free pass and everyone else should have to work their way though prelims.
no where in my post did i imply that JulyZerg or any of the big names should've gotten a free pass, i'm saying they just lost some ratings potential with July being eliminated. and you do not agree that the way that this preliminary isn't as fair it should've been?
July's losing had nothing to do with the structure of the prelim. It had nothing to do with "fairness." He lost to a scrub protoss. Stop making excuses.
On October 10 2010 20:34 Pekkz wrote: Julyzerg not making it is so fucking annoying, even more sad is being eliminated by a player called gaybar.
There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess? yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
Yes, people named Julyzerg should get a free pass and everyone else should have to work their way though prelims.
no where in my post did i imply that JulyZerg or any of the big names should've gotten a free pass, i'm saying they just lost some ratings potential with July being eliminated. and you do not agree that the way that this preliminary isn't as fair it should've been?
They need to do something about having a bunch of no shows and people getting byes, but as far as it being an open tournament and the chance of 2 great players having to fight each other for a chance at the ro64, if you try to manipulate the brackets it no longer becomes a truly open tournament.
I know people would love to see julyzerg vs boxer in a later round for the sake of nostalgia, but this is supposed to be esports, it should be as legitimate as possible with no favoritism.
Edit: If gaybar makes it to the ro64 I am going to love his intro with the street fighter voice on the stream.
Tasteless: and in this corner we have the blue protoss.... Voice: Gay Barru!
On October 10 2010 20:45 Black Gun wrote: to see how retarded this qualifying system is, just imagine that by incidence, july and boxer ended in the same bracket. so no matter how good they play, one of them wont even pass the qualifiers. would those who defend this randomness still say "sometimes you´re lucky, sometimes you´re not"?
the best players should be those in the GSL. the current prelim system is in no way suited to ensure this.
This is an open tourney... meant for amateurs and pros, not just for pros.
to see how retarded this qualifying system is, just imagine that by incidence, july and boxer ended in the same bracket. so no matter how good they play, one of them wont even pass the qualifiers. would those who defend this randomness still say "sometimes you´re lucky, sometimes you´re not"?
the best players should be those in the GSL. the current prelim system is in no way suited to ensure this.
On October 10 2010 20:45 Black Gun wrote: to see how retarded this qualifying system is, just imagine that by incidence, july and boxer ended in the same bracket. so no matter how good they play, one of them wont even pass the qualifiers. would those who defends this randomness still say "sometimes you´re lucky, sometimes you´re not"?
Then what system is better? The "only one bonjwa per bracket" system?
Random is perfectly fair and it rarely leads to disaster.
On October 10 2010 20:45 Black Gun wrote: to see how retarded this qualifying system is, just imagine that by incidence, july and boxer ended in the same bracket. so no matter how good they play, one of them wont even pass the qualifiers. would those who defends this randomness still say "sometimes you´re lucky, sometimes you´re not"?
Yes, There is no other way of doing it atm without being unfair. There are no rankings this early. It will get better once July and Boxer show us that they have something to bring in sc2 and there's enough data to seed players.
Boxer's final preliminary match will be shown outside the e-stadium as soon as his opponent's ready...and I'm on the scene with my iPhone on 5% battery, don't expect many more posts from me The observer is firing up the client as I type.
On October 10 2010 20:34 Pekkz wrote: Julyzerg not making it is so fucking annoying, even more sad is being eliminated by a player called gaybar.
There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess? yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
Yes, people named Julyzerg should get a free pass and everyone else should have to work their way though prelims.
no where in my post did i imply that JulyZerg or any of the big names should've gotten a free pass, i'm saying they just lost some ratings potential with July being eliminated. and you do not agree that the way that this preliminary isn't as fair it should've been?
I badly wanted July to advance into RO64, but if he lost to some 1400-slouch who 4-gated him two times in a row I don't see how he possibly could make any impact on the tournament.
People keep talking about how bad it would be to have 2 huge names meet in the qualifiers but it didn't happen in S1 and it hasn't happened so far in S2. Does anyone honestly believe the brackets are completely random?
On October 10 2010 20:47 pikapika wrote: Boxer's final preliminary match will be shown outside the e-stadium as soon as his opponent's ready...and I'm on the scene with my iPhone on 5% battery, don't expect many more posts from me The observer is firing up the client as I type.
On October 10 2010 20:34 Pekkz wrote: Julyzerg not making it is so fucking annoying, even more sad is being eliminated by a player called gaybar.
There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess? yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
Yes, people named Julyzerg should get a free pass and everyone else should have to work their way though prelims.
no where in my post did i imply that JulyZerg or any of the big names should've gotten a free pass, i'm saying they just lost some ratings potential with July being eliminated. and you do not agree that the way that this preliminary isn't as fair it should've been?
July's losing had nothing to do with the structure of the prelim. It had nothing to do with "fairness." He lost to a scrub protoss. Stop making excuses.
sigh... again no where have i implied that July's lost was due to the structure of the preliminaries, i am saying like how Boxer got 2 wins by default because of no shows, and then luckily gets free pass to the next stage of elimination process... it should'nt have been run this way...
i hope you will stop drawing wild conclusion and put words into others mouth now -.-
On October 10 2010 20:45 Black Gun wrote: to see how retarded this qualifying system is, just imagine that by incidence, july and boxer ended in the same bracket. so no matter how good they play, one of them wont even pass the qualifiers. would those who defends this randomness still say "sometimes you´re lucky, sometimes you´re not"?
Then what system is better? The "only one bonjwa per bracket" system?
Random is perfectly fair and it rarely leads to disaster.
not really... the elements of luck plays a larger factor here, its bad for ratings, bad for fans, the very same reason why both Starleagues of SC:BW are properly seeded and limited participation to gamers with pro licenses... why so antagonastic man?
On October 10 2010 20:47 pikapika wrote: Boxer's final preliminary match will be shown outside the e-stadium as soon as his opponent's ready...and I'm on the scene with my iPhone on 5% battery, don't expect many more posts from me The observer is firing up the client as I type.
On October 10 2010 20:47 pikapika wrote: Boxer's final preliminary match will be shown outside the e-stadium as soon as his opponent's ready...and I'm on the scene with my iPhone on 5% battery, don't expect many more posts from me The observer is firing up the client as I type.
This is good. The more hype and the more people watching will only serve to unsettle his opponent. Boxer is used to playing in front of stadiums of thousands, a few spectators won't bother him at all but his opponent will feel the pressure a lot more and perhaps crumble (just speculation).
On October 10 2010 20:45 Black Gun wrote: to see how retarded this qualifying system is, just imagine that by incidence, july and boxer ended in the same bracket. so no matter how good they play, one of them wont even pass the qualifiers. would those who defend this randomness still say "sometimes you´re lucky, sometimes you´re not"?
the best players should be those in the GSL. the current prelim system is in no way suited to ensure this.
how can people not understand this? SC2 is new. There are no universal rankings/ladders that can fairly seed people in pre-lims for the GSL.
it has been said countless times that the 2010 GSL tournaments will create the first seedings for 2011 where seedings will start to take place.
till then completely random is completely fair. even if july has to face boxer in the first round of the pre-lims.
On October 10 2010 20:34 Pekkz wrote: Julyzerg not making it is so fucking annoying, even more sad is being eliminated by a player called gaybar.
There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess? yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
Yes, people named Julyzerg should get a free pass and everyone else should have to work their way though prelims.
no where in my post did i imply that JulyZerg or any of the big names should've gotten a free pass, i'm saying they just lost some ratings potential with July being eliminated. and you do not agree that the way that this preliminary isn't as fair it should've been?
July's losing had nothing to do with the structure of the prelim. It had nothing to do with "fairness." He lost to a scrub protoss. Stop making excuses.
sigh... again no where have i implied that July's lost was due to the structure of the preliminaries, i am saying like how Boxer got 2 wins by default because of no shows, and then luckily gets free pass to the next stage of elimination process... it should'nt have been run this way...
i hope you will stop drawing wild conclusion and put words into others mouth now -.-
Wow, you need to man up and accept that I'm not putting words in your mouth. You dug your own grave here.
When someone says:
Julyzerg not making it is so fucking annoying, even more sad is being eliminated by a player called gaybar.
And you respond:
There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess? yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
...then how the fuck is that not implying that implied that July's loss was due to the structure of the preliminaries?
On October 10 2010 20:45 Black Gun wrote: to see how retarded this qualifying system is, just imagine that by incidence, july and boxer ended in the same bracket. so no matter how good they play, one of them wont even pass the qualifiers. would those who defends this randomness still say "sometimes you´re lucky, sometimes you´re not"?
Enlighten me how the GSl staff should properly seed this tournament? It's an open tournament which everyone can register for. 2011 then they'll have enough data to properly seed everyone based on the OPEN GSL season results. They can't base anything now on 1 tourney because some people surprisingly managed to reach the ro64 due to the easy qualifying which most likely won't happen again (which u can already notice the majority of the ro64 GSL1 didn't qualify for the GSL2 so far).
Let me tell you 1 thing then. Do you think NexGenius should be seeded 33-64 while he is way better than the majority of the participants?
With 3 tournaments they will be able to see who is able to perform constantly over 3 seasons and give them the proper seeding.
There were quite some scrubs in the ro32 compared to the people who got eliminated in the ro64. To get a proper and precise seeding u need results of multiple tourneys which in this case is of 3 GSL Open seasons.
I think they should require people to confirm their registration while being physically present before the first qualifying round starts. It sucks that people who registered but didn't show up are still matched up with other people.
On October 10 2010 20:52 vaahto wrote: I think they should require people to confirm their registration while being physically present before the first qualifying round starts. It sucks that people who registered but didn't show up are still matched up with other people.
Have a registration "fee" that is returned to you when you show up and play. Like $10. That is if they have a problem with "fake signers".
On October 10 2010 20:52 vaahto wrote: I think they should require people to confirm their registration while being physically present before the first qualifying round starts. It sucks that people who registered but didn't show up are still matched up with other people.
Have a registration "fee" that is returned to you when you show up and play. Like $10. That is if they have a problem with "fake signers".
I reckon this would cut down the no shows to almost 0. Just the ones who really couldn't make it, very good idea
On October 10 2010 20:55 Sobba wrote: Have a registration "fee" that is returned to you when you show up and play. Like $10. That is if they have a problem with "fake signers".
On October 10 2010 20:52 vaahto wrote: I think they should require people to confirm their registration while being physically present before the first qualifying round starts. It sucks that people who registered but didn't show up are still matched up with other people.
Have a registration "fee" that is returned to you when you show up and play. Like $10. That is if they have a problem with "fake signers".
I reckon this would cut down the no shows to almost 0. Just the ones who really couldn't make it, very good idea
That would also cut down the number of participants and i guess GomTV doesnt want that
A double elimination structure has been mentioned a couple of times and not been talked about as a solution to "teh brackets sux" style complaints. A double elimination qualifier gives you a significantly higher percentage chance of getting good players in the ro64.
Imagine if you were in FruitDealer's bracket for the GSL1, you could have easily been ro16/ro8 material, but being paired with the one Zerg to rule them all you would have been toast before seeing a single TV appearance. If it was double elim, then you would probably win your losers bracket after losing to the future tournament champion.
In the first GSL, there were actually a lot of really not strong ro64 compeditors. If you have a double elimination structure, your chance of advancing two good players is a lot higher (because a pretty good player won't be totally kicked out by a great player).
Plus, this has the added benefit of being irrefutable. If you lose two matches, you really don't have any cause to complain that you didn't get a chance.
The only problem with double elim is that its more administration to run (and more matches), but these are offline qualifiers so its at least not the audience's time. Please give us a better prelim structure and therefore a better ro64!
On October 10 2010 20:52 vaahto wrote: I think they should require people to confirm their registration while being physically present before the first qualifying round starts. It sucks that people who registered but didn't show up are still matched up with other people.
Have a registration "fee" that is returned to you when you show up and play. Like $10. That is if they have a problem with "fake signers".
great idea.
btw if boxers opponent is really a 1.2k barely over 50% winrate guy ranked below 50th in his division, boxer should easily make it.
As much as I want Boxer to get into the GSL, I can't help but worry that he won't be quite up to par with the other players. Judging from his games with Idra and Jinro, he just doesn't seem to be playing as sharp as he could =/. Like with TLO, I worry that if he tries to pull out too much flair instead of playing solidly, he could lose matches he might otherwise have won =/.
On October 10 2010 20:34 Pekkz wrote: Julyzerg not making it is so fucking annoying, even more sad is being eliminated by a player called gaybar.
There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess? yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
Yes, people named Julyzerg should get a free pass and everyone else should have to work their way though prelims.
no where in my post did i imply that JulyZerg or any of the big names should've gotten a free pass, i'm saying they just lost some ratings potential with July being eliminated. and you do not agree that the way that this preliminary isn't as fair it should've been?
July's losing had nothing to do with the structure of the prelim. It had nothing to do with "fairness." He lost to a scrub protoss. Stop making excuses.
sigh... again no where have i implied that July's lost was due to the structure of the preliminaries, i am saying like how Boxer got 2 wins by default because of no shows, and then luckily gets free pass to the next stage of elimination process... it should'nt have been run this way...
i hope you will stop drawing wild conclusion and put words into others mouth now -.-
Wow, you need to man up and accept that I'm not putting words in your mouth. You dug your own grave here.
There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess? yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
...then how the fuck is that not implying that implied that July's loss was due to the structure of the preliminaries?
first sentence: There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess?
i am saying how Gom is losing ratings because July is eliminated.
second sentence: yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
i am stating the fact that the preliminaries is poorly run.
maybe you're mis-interpreting what i am saying.. well i guess people sees whatever they want to see /shrug, well anyway should really chill and stop arguing over a mis-understanding now.
On October 10 2010 20:58 z00t wrote: Oh man, I'm really sad that July didn't make it .
As much as I want Boxer to get into the GSL, I can't help but worry that he won't be quite up to par with the other players. Judging from his games with Idra and Jinro, he just doesn't seem to be playing as sharp as he could =/. Like with TLO, I worry that if he tries to pull out too much flair instead of playing solidly, he could lose matches he might otherwise have won =/.
i think many July fans are dissapointed as well, but yeah, Boxer even says that he practises alone all by himself and doesn't really talk or discuss about SC2 to anyone else, but who knows right, sometimes happy things happens!
On October 10 2010 20:51 Rielle wrote: how can people not understand this? SC2 is new. There are no universal rankings/ladders that can fairly seed people in pre-lims for the GSL.
it has been said countless times that the 2010 GSL tournaments will create the first seedings for 2011 where seedings will start to take place.
till then completely random is completely fair. even if july has to face boxer in the first round of the pre-lims.
There's this thing called the Blizzard ladder system and all.... It would be so easy to seed people based on their ladder ranking...
And please don't go on about how ladder rank means nothing, there is a very high correlation between ladder rank and skill, and at least this forms quite a good basis for a seeding system. Possible enhancements might be factoring in win percentages.
get it through your heads. in any REAL tournament, seeds are ALWAYS based off results. GSL is new, so there are no results to base seeds off. that's why they're having these open prelims, so they can establish seeds and the top players will be seeded in when the real GSL starts. sorry to break it to you guys, but favourite player != top players. can you stop posting rubbish now, i'd like to see Boxer's fate without having to filter through all these posts.
On October 10 2010 20:52 vaahto wrote: I think they should require people to confirm their registration while being physically present before the first qualifying round starts. It sucks that people who registered but didn't show up are still matched up with other people.
Have a registration "fee" that is returned to you when you show up and play. Like $10. That is if they have a problem with "fake signers".
great idea.
btw if boxers opponent is really a 1.2k barely over 50% winrate guy ranked below 50th in his division, boxer should easily make it.
Unless the guy proxy raxes like hypoerdub against TLO :p
On October 10 2010 20:52 vaahto wrote: I think they should require people to confirm their registration while being physically present before the first qualifying round starts. It sucks that people who registered but didn't show up are still matched up with other people.
Have a registration "fee" that is returned to you when you show up and play. Like $10. That is if they have a problem with "fake signers".
There probably are people who don't have that much money. It might sound I'm joking but I'm not. But it is the best idea I've heard so far and this could potentially work for the best for GSL. GSL asking for an insurance by letting the registrants paying 10 bucks and they'll keep the 10 bucks if a registrant doesn't show up which could sum up nicely when a large group doesn't show up.
On October 10 2010 21:00 anemoneya wrote: 1. GayBar is out of tournament. 2. Someone is broadcasting Boxer's game on Afreeca TV. Too bad I don't have access to it (free from only korean ip)
On October 10 2010 20:34 Pekkz wrote: Julyzerg not making it is so fucking annoying, even more sad is being eliminated by a player called gaybar.
There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess? yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
Yes, people named Julyzerg should get a free pass and everyone else should have to work their way though prelims.
no where in my post did i imply that JulyZerg or any of the big names should've gotten a free pass, i'm saying they just lost some ratings potential with July being eliminated. and you do not agree that the way that this preliminary isn't as fair it should've been?
July's losing had nothing to do with the structure of the prelim. It had nothing to do with "fairness." He lost to a scrub protoss. Stop making excuses.
sigh... again no where have i implied that July's lost was due to the structure of the preliminaries, i am saying like how Boxer got 2 wins by default because of no shows, and then luckily gets free pass to the next stage of elimination process... it should'nt have been run this way...
i hope you will stop drawing wild conclusion and put words into others mouth now -.-
Wow, you need to man up and accept that I'm not putting words in your mouth. You dug your own grave here.
When someone says:
Julyzerg not making it is so fucking annoying, even more sad is being eliminated by a player called gaybar.
And you respond:
There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess? yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
...then how the fuck is that not implying that implied that July's loss was due to the structure of the preliminaries?
first sentence: There goes about 20,000 viewer counts for GomTV i guess?
i am saying how Gom is losing ratings because July is eliminated.
second sentence: yes, the way they are doing this pre-liminaries is retarded.
i am stating the fact that the preliminaries is poorly run.
maybe you're mis-interpreting what i am saying.. well i guess people sees whatever they want to see /shrug, well anyway should really chill and stop arguing over a mis-understanding now.
Shiruzu, I think you are pushing it motbob has a point. Can we return to topic
Running on minimal brightness here, will only turn on iPhone to post. Roughly 30-50 people here, everyone's sitting on chairs in front of a big TV. One of the Korean commentators from the GSL asked us to not make loud reactions cause the players can hear us - that's how close we are. Not close enough to make out conversation though. It's starting!!!! Metalopolis, blue Boxer on 6 and red opponent on 8.
On October 10 2010 21:05 pikapika wrote: Btw Boxer specifically asked for no streams - there shouldn't be streams on the net.
Why would he say that?
He did the same thing for MSL/OSL qualifiers last time i think. Can't remember why, maybe something to do with it distracts him.
People are going to be watching him play anyway, I don't see how there being a camera also would distract him more... Not to mention the fact you'd think he'd be used to it by now.
On October 10 2010 21:05 pikapika wrote: Btw Boxer specifically asked for no streams - there shouldn't be streams on the net.
Why would he say that?
He did the same thing for MSL/OSL qualifiers last time i think. Can't remember why, maybe something to do with it distracts him.
I'm guessing he doesn't want people to see him play for qualifiers, if he makes it then he can show us the real thing, if not there's no reason to have tons of people arguing over the way he played. Edit:also there's a difference between having people that are there watch the games and someone thousands of miles away in their house. The atmosphere affects even the calmest of players.
On October 10 2010 21:05 pikapika wrote: Btw Boxer specifically asked for no streams - there shouldn't be streams on the net.
Why would he say that?
He did the same thing for MSL/OSL qualifiers last time i think. Can't remember why, maybe something to do with it distracts him.
I'm guessing he doesn't want people to see him play for qualifiers, if he makes it then he can show us the real thing, if not there's no reason to have tons of people arguing over the way he played.
If i remember right, this is not the first time he's askin people to not stream.
Prolly knows how that affects e-sport overall. Speaking about re-streaming mostly.
As a reaction to this in the medical line BOXER players giving out. Viking is a crossroads Patrol sluggish. BOXER players into hiding again baensiro checks.
I used yahoo translator: 'To this time to take out the medical treatment line from the reactor, the annular player being. The plaque trawl makes with Viking 1 and puts. Restraint entering again at concealment van hour and the annular player being.'
Oh janghonguk player. I'll correct. Located at 9;. Continue to hold the robot that was hiding baensiro construction BOXER player. Fire containment yard drive!
guys no need to get overly excited, boxer will win this game 100000% guaranteed. He could do it one handed probably... His opponent is a guy with over 700 games played at 50% W/L 1300 Points °_°
On October 10 2010 21:16 light3 wrote: I used yahoo translator: 'To this time to take out the medical treatment line from the reactor, the annular player being. The plaque trawl makes with Viking 1 and puts. Restraint entering again at concealment van hour and the annular player being.'
This is like a deliciously epic fail. You could have thrown like random verbs and picked randomly from the set of terran unit names, and come up with a better description of the battle. Boxer Fighting! ^_^
That stream link says "hyeonje saengpingsong jinhaengjongi inimnida" "dareun saengbangsong list bogi" on the players screen. I think that's saying there's no stream? The second part "look at a list" of something? I guess it doesn't work...
On October 10 2010 21:18 motbob wrote: 일단 장홍욱 선수 발견 못하고, 병영 건설 합니다. 이거 확인 못하면...-_-;;
BOXER opposing players to start as soon as the construction robot sent to the headquarters. You're kidding ago. Jean. Bottles. Infant No, no opposing base and behind the barracks on the lower right !!!!! Janghonguk not find a player, barracks construction. Check if this ...-_-;;
On October 10 2010 21:18 motbob wrote: 일단 장홍욱 선수 발견 못하고, 병영 건설 합니다. 이거 확인 못하면...-_-;;
BOXER opposing players to start as soon as the construction robot sent to the headquarters. You're kidding ago. Jean. Bottles. Infant No, no opposing base and behind the barracks on the lower right !!!!! Janghonguk not find a player, barracks construction. Check if this ...-_-;;
On October 10 2010 21:13 motbob wrote: 아 장홍욱 선수 입니다. 정정 할게요. 9시에 위치하고 있습니다;. 은폐 된 밴시로 건설로봇 계속 잡아주는 임요환 선수. 화염차로 앞마당 견제!
GOOGLE TRANSLATED:
Oh janghonguk player. I'll correct. Located at 9;. Continue to hold the robot that was hiding baensiro construction BOXER player. Fire containment yard drive!
On October 10 2010 21:23 YyapSsap wrote: Apparently game 1 of the final round for Boxer was pretty epic especially the emphasis on his micro/multitasking.
Damn, want the VOD of this now!
But VODs/reps won't be released since it is GOM. -_- Hope Artosis filmed it.
man was sweating reading them loosely google translated life report, k my day is complete now... thats a relieve, July didn't make it... at least we have Themanofoneway now! ^^
On October 10 2010 21:13 motbob wrote: 아 장홍욱 선수 입니다. 정정 할게요. 9시에 위치하고 있습니다;. 은폐 된 밴시로 건설로봇 계속 잡아주는 임요환 선수. 화염차로 앞마당 견제!
GOOGLE TRANSLATED:
Oh janghonguk player. I'll correct. Located at 9;. Continue to hold the robot that was hiding baensiro construction BOXER player. Fire containment yard drive!
On October 10 2010 21:13 motbob wrote: 아 장홍욱 선수 입니다. 정정 할게요. 9시에 위치하고 있습니다;. 은폐 된 밴시로 건설로봇 계속 잡아주는 임요환 선수. 화염차로 앞마당 견제!
GOOGLE TRANSLATED:
Oh janghonguk player. I'll correct. Located at 9;. Continue to hold the robot that was hiding baensiro construction BOXER player. Fire containment yard drive!
SCV built proxy factory at the 9 o clock to make hellions?
Going to be hard to qualify tomorrow and the day after, I think about 70% of those who played in the ro64 last season haven't started their qualifiers. Hopefully TLO makes it through.
On October 10 2010 21:40 Sobba wrote: Looks like we still have 13 players from the Bo16 GSL 1 left to play tomorrow n tuesday. The brackets are going to be very tough.
13 players competing for 32 spots? damn.. That is gonna be rough to go through without meeting someone badass.
On October 10 2010 21:40 Sobba wrote: Looks like we still have 13 players from the Bo16 GSL 1 left to play tomorrow n tuesday. The brackets are going to be very tough.
Looks a little rough for Zerg out there. What is that, 5 out of 32?
Looking at the noteworthy-player-list, though, there's just less Zergs in general. For all intents and purposes, ~50% of noteworthy Zergs have qualified. Just a shame that there isn't more Zerg players!
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Might have missed something, so not a definitive list. A lot of competition for those 32 places that are still left...
Agree there's a high chance they will eliminate each other. Oh well, hopefully Artosis got our back and would be able to at least record some of the games.
On October 10 2010 22:19 fueNN wrote: will oGsTheStC take part in the qualifier? there have been rumours that he might have to join the army or something
It is not rumor. He is doing his military service.
I know Rage hasn't exactly established himself yet in SC2, but he was a high-level progamer when he was still active. Him getting eliminated in the final round of qualification seems pretty notable.
On October 10 2010 23:11 SoJu.WeRRa wrote: I failed so hard in the GSL today... shame...
지못미 소주님 ㅠㅠ
This is the iPhone guy back home from the prelims. The battery I saved from not posting on TL was well-used in taking a few close-up photos of Boxer talking with his (female) fans. I wonder if I should have waited until he'd finished with everything for an autograph or something though.
The games were pretty fun though, and the foreigners sitting behind me were pretty cool too - I missed getting your names, but I hope to see you in a future GSL event.
On October 10 2010 23:11 SoJu.WeRRa wrote: I failed so hard in the GSL today... shame...
지못미 소주님 ㅠㅠ
This is the iPhone guy back home from the prelims. The battery I saved from not posting on TL was well-used in taking a few close-up photos of Boxer talking with his (female) fans. I wonder if I should have waited until he'd finished with everything for an autograph or something though.
The games were pretty fun though, and the foreigners sitting behind me were pretty cool too - I missed getting your names, but I hope to see you in a future GSL event.
Upload the pics :D
Is Torch playing in GSL2 btw?
No. Last GSL he just happened to be there and decided to enter
Even if there's no seeds it seems like they're giving fairly easy draws to the really big names...I'll bet any amount of money that Nada has an easy draw when he plays. They obviously don't want them facing Tester or something in the prelims. It's not GOM's fault that July lost to some 1400 scrub -_-. Unless you wanna argue that seeding him right into the 64 round would somehow be fair.
On October 10 2010 23:11 SoJu.WeRRa wrote: I failed so hard in the GSL today... shame...
지못미 소주님 ㅠㅠ
This is the iPhone guy back home from the prelims. The battery I saved from not posting on TL was well-used in taking a few close-up photos of Boxer talking with his (female) fans. I wonder if I should have waited until he'd finished with everything for an autograph or something though.
The games were pretty fun though, and the foreigners sitting behind me were pretty cool too - I missed getting your names, but I hope to see you in a future GSL event.
On October 10 2010 23:37 Klamity wrote: I am glad that July is the biggest notable that didn't make it. It seems like most of the big names are still making it through.
Moon! And yeah GOM might be fudging the "random" seeding a bit, I mean it's just good politics to get Boxer in the ro64 so why not. And with lots of notables still coming, curious to see if they are in different paths.
On October 10 2010 23:37 Klamity wrote: I am glad that July is the biggest notable that didn't make it. It seems like most of the big names are still making it through.
Moon! And yeah GOM might be fudging the "random" seeding a bit, I mean it's just good politics to get Boxer in the ro64 so why not. And with lots of notables still coming, curious to see if they are in different paths.
Oh, sorry. I meant on the second day. It was a lot less disappointing than the first one.
So TLO and idrA haven't done the qualifiers yet? Sucks that Jinro didn't make it, you know he was really working hard for this one unlike the first one where he was still getting acclimated to Korea.
On October 11 2010 00:09 proxY_ wrote: So TLO and idrA haven't done the qualifiers yet? Sucks that Jinro didn't make it, you know he was really working hard for this one unlike the first one where he was still getting acclimated to Korea.
On October 11 2010 00:09 proxY_ wrote: So TLO and idrA haven't done the qualifiers yet? Sucks that Jinro didn't make it, you know he was really working hard for this one unlike the first one where he was still getting acclimated to Korea.
On October 11 2010 00:09 proxY_ wrote: So TLO and idrA haven't done the qualifiers yet? Sucks that Jinro didn't make it, you know he was really working hard for this one unlike the first one where he was still getting acclimated to Korea.
IdrA qualified yesterday. TLO will play tomorrow. Hopefully he can qualify too.
Dream match:
TLO vs. NaDa (GamesCon rematch). TLO vs. Boxer (One can dream, right? T T)
Have Tasteless played? I've been following the games and I haven't seen him play yet but somebody on irc said he played already and lost straight away. If so it's too bad I don't think he really had a chance to win the tournament as he haven't played much but would be nice to see him on stage ^^
On October 11 2010 00:09 proxY_ wrote: So TLO and idrA haven't done the qualifiers yet? Sucks that Jinro didn't make it, you know he was really working hard for this one unlike the first one where he was still getting acclimated to Korea.
IdrA qualified yesterday. TLO will play tomorrow. Hopefully he can qualify too.
Dream match:
TLO vs. NaDa (GamesCon rematch). TLO vs. Boxer (One can dream, right? T T)
Why did Rage suddenly disappear from your otherwise excellent op, motbob? I don't see him, so I guess he didn't qualify, but he's still notable, isn't he? Poor Rage.
On October 11 2010 00:09 proxY_ wrote: So TLO and idrA haven't done the qualifiers yet? Sucks that Jinro didn't make it, you know he was really working hard for this one unlike the first one where he was still getting acclimated to Korea.
IdrA qualified yesterday. TLO will play tomorrow. Hopefully he can qualify too.
Dream match:
TLO vs. NaDa (GamesCon rematch). TLO vs. Boxer (One can dream, right? T T)
On October 11 2010 00:09 proxY_ wrote: So TLO and idrA haven't done the qualifiers yet? Sucks that Jinro didn't make it, you know he was really working hard for this one unlike the first one where he was still getting acclimated to Korea.
IdrA qualified yesterday. TLO will play tomorrow. Hopefully he can qualify too.
Dream match:
TLO vs. NaDa (GamesCon rematch). TLO vs. Boxer (One can dream, right? T T)
There are replays of both in the TL weekly xD
But a tournament BoX is different than a mere ladder game.
I'm not too surprised that July didn't make it based on his less than impressive play on Gisado's KOTH, but it's still a bummer not to see the WatermelonZerg in any televised matches.
By the way, Gaybar made a post in PlayXP about today's matches.
He didn't even know he played against July until someone txted him about it. All players used numbers for the in-game names instead of their real nicknames, so he had no idea who his opponent was.
Unlike rumors spread out in Korean forum, he didn't do 4 gate. Later people found out that they blindly believed a total stranger who said "July lost to 4 gate two games in a row". This rumor caused a lot of PvZ balance debates and QQing from Z players while they were waiting for BoxeR's match.
On October 11 2010 01:16 gm.tOSS wrote: So is TLO facing of against Rainbow in the prelims? Heard rumors...
where are you hearing the rumors? i find it very hard to believe this, given how careful they are about splitting up the previous qualified players. i guess we'll see tonight when the brackets come out, but for now let's not spread crazy rumors. just because they play on the same night doesn't mean they play against each other.
On October 11 2010 01:16 gm.tOSS wrote: So is TLO facing of against Rainbow in the prelims? Heard rumors...
where are you hearing the rumors? i find it very hard to believe this, given how careful they are about splitting up the previous qualified players. i guess we'll see tonight when the brackets come out, but for now let's not spread crazy rumors. just because they play on the same night doesn't mean they play against each other.
Would really be stupid though No matter how it goes either the 2nd of last tournament was out or the fanfavorite for pretty much all outside of korea. Another tvt loss would of course be extra enraging for TLO.
Would really be stupid though No matter how it goes either the 2nd of last tournament was out or the fanfavorite for pretty much all outside of korea. Another tvt loss would of course be extra enraging for TLO.
and then he would practice w/ nada for gsl 3 and become the best tvt in the world.
EPT
oGsHyperdub (#43 KR)
나비효과 (#132 KR)
FreeDSL (#81 KR)
oGsCezanne (#15 KR)
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to those players i said above though ^^
나비효과 who also advanced out of a-2, so him and 
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