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Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
September 08 2010 21:01 GMT
#381
On September 09 2010 05:57 eNtitY~ wrote:
Who won? I missed game 7 :/


It was very similar to game 6, mass stalkers vs mass hydras with some roaches. Dimaga actually had several expansions and Kiwi refused to tech past stalkers so it looked like he was going to cost himself the game.

Then he pushed forward with stalkers, used perfect blink micro, and just destroyed all the hydras with ease. Most of his stalkers were still alive after the fight, he just rolled right over the zerg army and it was gg.
syrupychinadian
Profile Joined September 2010
112 Posts
September 08 2010 21:02 GMT
#382
I think that has to be the most engaging series I have EVER seen. Just an absolutely amazing set of interesting games that did everything except the "standard" play. These two are without a doubt my new favorite players to watch (even over TLO, who has become kinda standard with his terran).

The casting was great as well. iNcontrol being wrong has to be the funniest thing. What's great is that I agree with absolutely everything he says, but the amazing blink micro and brute force DiMaga all-ins make the matches go in unpredictable directions.
Keep putting your foot in your mouth iNcontrol, it sucks to be wrong, but its awesome to watch!

Absolutely amazing one more time, and I say Kiwi - Maga rematch in the near future!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 08 2010 21:03 GMT
#383
On September 09 2010 05:53 Adila wrote:
That game just screamed for Fungal Growth.


Fungal doesn't stop stalkers from blinking unfortunately.
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
September 08 2010 21:03 GMT
#384
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Great blink micro in the final game, can't help think that if Dimaga pulled back or reinforced to a rally point other than inside the protoss ball he could've won but still an awesome game. Would've liked to see some infestors though they seem to be the only things that can dent perfect stalker micro.
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
September 08 2010 21:03 GMT
#385
On September 09 2010 06:01 OutlaW- wrote:
Dimaga lost because of his positioning, it was nto entirely his fault because the map suck(s), you add force fields into the game, blizzard, and then you make such fucking small maps and chokes?
Still, if he had flanked the stalkers he might have had a better chance. or just sacked his expo



actualy dimaga played badly this map, if he had much more ling he just have to counter with mass ling like it was this morning in the GSL, this map is hard for toss mid/late game
Liquid'Nony: "I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok."
Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
September 08 2010 21:04 GMT
#386
On September 09 2010 06:02 syrupychinadian wrote:
The casting was great as well. iNcontrol being wrong has to be the funniest thing. What's great is that I agree with absolutely everything he says, but the amazing blink micro and brute force DiMaga all-ins make the matches go in unpredictable directions.


Agreed. I've gotten so used to Tasteless and his awesome commentary, that most of the time when I watch games with other casters I can't help but think "eh they're kinda boring and/or monotone, too bad Tasteless can't do commentary on everything".

Not this time though. Those commentators did a seriously great job, very entertaining.
StaticKinetics
Profile Joined April 2010
United States23 Posts
September 08 2010 21:05 GMT
#387
Dimaga is one of my favorite zergs but I was a bit surprised we didn't see his speedling/muta build which I've seen him do to great effect on maps like scrap station and desert oasis. Oasis should have been an easy win for him.

I will say that I was pleasantly surprised by Dimaga's use of the nydus on scrap station which effectively kept Kiwi on one base

ggs
GHOST RUSH
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 21:06:58
September 08 2010 21:05 GMT
#388
im curious to see the diffential between upgrade in game 7
Liquid'Nony: "I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok."
leve15
Profile Joined August 2010
United States301 Posts
September 08 2010 21:07 GMT
#389
the upgrades decided the game. people are saying dimaga was in a bad position, but watch the replays / vods again.

it was upgrades. +3 attack for protoss
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
September 08 2010 21:07 GMT
#390
Any and all vod's will be going up tonight. We had someone that had to get to class, once he gets back, he'll get right on it and we'll provide links
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
September 08 2010 21:08 GMT
#391
On September 09 2010 06:01 taketobreak wrote:
please people, stalkers are better than hydras

stalkers come out with 6range and 160 health, 80 of it regens

hydras come out with 5range and 80health

stalkers spend 150/150 for a kick ass ability

hydras spend 150/150 to have 6 range


hydras ONLY beat stalkers when they have way better position which blink should stop from ever happening. when the position is equal stalkers beat hydras. blink makes stalkers DECIMATE hydras

Hydras have a much higher DPS and Stalkers don't do any bonus damage against Hydras. As for positioning, Hydras are tiny while Stalkers are fat so it's very difficult for Protoss to get in a position where all Stalkers can attack and all Hydras can't. Stalkers are better for their mobility. Once engaged in a battle, Stalker mobility only helps retreating low health Stalkers.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
syrupychinadian
Profile Joined September 2010
112 Posts
September 08 2010 21:09 GMT
#392
On September 09 2010 06:04 Chocobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 06:02 syrupychinadian wrote:
The casting was great as well. iNcontrol being wrong has to be the funniest thing. What's great is that I agree with absolutely everything he says, but the amazing blink micro and brute force DiMaga all-ins make the matches go in unpredictable directions.


Agreed. I've gotten so used to Tasteless and his awesome commentary, that most of the time when I watch games with other casters I can't help but think "eh they're kinda boring and/or monotone, too bad Tasteless can't do commentary on everything".

Not this time though. Those commentators did a seriously great job, very entertaining.



Actually, not a huge tasteless fan myself currently. He was actually my first "caster" with his GomTV stuff so I loved him b4, but he seems kinda flat in the GSL right now. A lot of non-sequeters and dead space.

I know he's rusty and all, but there're def better SC2 casters at this time.
Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
September 08 2010 21:09 GMT
#393
On September 09 2010 06:07 leve15 wrote:
the upgrades decided the game. people are saying dimaga was in a bad position, but watch the replays / vods again.

it was upgrades. +3 attack for protoss


Didn't Dimaga have +2 attack?
BBMorti
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark242 Posts
September 08 2010 21:10 GMT
#394
Disappointing to see the caster induce a huge flame war and I don't know if it was my adblock+ that blocked commercials or what it was but it seemed like the streamer was tapping in and out of the game many times. Also the casters really seemed to lack game knowledge imo
I realise they were trying to be funny but holy crap the stream chat showed thats not obvious for all...
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 21:14:07
September 08 2010 21:13 GMT
#395
^ you sure you were watching this? As for what happens in chat, no one really cares.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
September 08 2010 21:15 GMT
#396
On September 09 2010 06:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 06:01 taketobreak wrote:
please people, stalkers are better than hydras

stalkers come out with 6range and 160 health, 80 of it regens

hydras come out with 5range and 80health

stalkers spend 150/150 for a kick ass ability

hydras spend 150/150 to have 6 range


hydras ONLY beat stalkers when they have way better position which blink should stop from ever happening. when the position is equal stalkers beat hydras. blink makes stalkers DECIMATE hydras

Hydras have a much higher DPS and Stalkers don't do any bonus damage against Hydras. As for positioning, Hydras are tiny while Stalkers are fat so it's very difficult for Protoss to get in a position where all Stalkers can attack and all Hydras can't. Stalkers are better for their mobility. Once engaged in a battle, Stalker mobility only helps retreating low health Stalkers.


They have the same collision size, don't be fooled by the model.
I'll call Nada.
Johnny_Vegas
Profile Joined December 2007
United States239 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 21:31:53
September 08 2010 21:16 GMT
#397
On September 09 2010 06:01 taketobreak wrote:
please people, stalkers are better than hydras

stalkers come out with 6range and 160 health, 80 of it regens

hydras come out with 5range and 80health

stalkers spend 150/150 for a kick ass ability

hydras spend 150/150 to have 6 range


hydras ONLY beat stalkers when they have way better position which blink should stop from ever happening. when the position is equal stalkers beat hydras. blink makes stalkers DECIMATE hydras



Over-simplistic comparison, you left out....

Stallker DPS (vs Hydra): 6.94
Hydra DPS (vs Ground): 14.46 (13.25 though as stalkers start with 1 armor)

and... Hydra 25 minerals cheaper (100/50 vs 125/50)
battlereports.com (co-founder/developer), Nohunters Discussion Forum operator
syrupychinadian
Profile Joined September 2010
112 Posts
September 08 2010 21:18 GMT
#398
Only unit comparison that mattered that game.

stalker with 1hp > hydra with 0.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 08 2010 21:19 GMT
#399
On September 09 2010 06:10 BBMorti wrote:
Disappointing to see the caster induce a huge flame war and I don't know if it was my adblock+ that blocked commercials or what it was but it seemed like the streamer was tapping in and out of the game many times. Also the casters really seemed to lack game knowledge imo
I realise they were trying to be funny but holy crap the stream chat showed thats not obvious for all...


Yeah lzgamer and I are trying to play more sc2 so we can figure this darn game out and know more for the cast.. our apologies. Also flame war? We legitimately feel that europe as a whole is completely humorless and inferior to AMERIKA.
Teeny
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria885 Posts
September 08 2010 21:19 GMT
#400
This was a great series including some funky play and some strong macro games. I really enjoyed watching it!
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Gz Kiwi and you almost had him Dimaga!
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