EPT[IEM] Gamescom Day 4 + TLO vs NaDa! - Page 3
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
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Brad
2754 Posts
At this early stage of SC2 you can't look at the races, you have to look at the players. SC2 isn't at that level yet like KR BW. IdrA is probably the best Starcraft 2 player, if not the best we have. IdrA wins because he is better at the game. Terran is obviously easier to learn, but that doesn't make it imbalanced. Give it 6 months, and then let's return to this discussion. | ||
Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Morrow DIMAGA... Damn,they're both really nice! Like,really,really nice! Morrow learned that his FE is not so good after playing Tarson,still went for it one time vs TLO.. DIMAGA though has some beat muta play,and THAT POSITIONING. When it gets to Infestors... So good to watch. I am neutral about this,both are great players,although I am Zerg player I can't just say "FOR THE SWARM" and click DIMAGA,because this is a little silly. And saying all that "IdrA is better at game etc etc" You don't know Tarson. IdrA does not know Tarson. This is an ace upon his sleeve. | ||
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Nickemwit
United States253 Posts
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shlomo
258 Posts
On August 20 2010 23:31 Liquid`Jinro wrote: When it's the biggest tournament to date, yes? And Terran has never won a big event. Ever. World Cup? Zerg. Kaspersky Cup? Zerg. King of the beta? Zerg. Maybe because sticking to the weak early game race which always has to defend all this early cheese / allins makes you a more solid player overall, whereas playing the cheesemaster race (aka Terran) will get you used to sloppy play and relying on bullshit crutches rather than actual skill? The top Zergs like IdrA and Dimaga are clearly better players and by a significant margin atm, it's only fair if they win. Doesn't mean T isn't the cheesemaster/easymode race or that ZvT isn't an uphill battle. I think I remember watching a game on Kulas of you vs Lalush I think? (Or maybe not, I forget who the zerg was). And as good as you are, it's incredible how sloppy and generally passive a Terran is allowed to be, and how many mistakes he can make and still take the game, vs how brutally unforgiving Zerg is, and how constantly hyperactive they have to be to stay competitive. So yeah, top players who stick with Zerg end up being straightforwardly better. Surprise? Not really. | ||
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aznhockeyboy16
United States558 Posts
On August 20 2010 23:40 Kurumi wrote: Seeing Tarson 3-0 MadFrog as the only person in quarterfinals,then IdrA falling for Sarens doing close match... Sowwy IdrA,but it won't be so easy,I call 3-1 for Tarson. Morrow DIMAGA... Damn,they're both really nice! Like,really,really nice! Morrow learned that his FE is not so good after playing Tarson,still went for it one time vs TLO.. DIMAGA though has some beat muta play,and THAT POSITIONING. When it gets to Infestors... So good to watch. I am neutral about this,both are great players,although I am Zerg player I can't just say "FOR THE SWARM" and click DIMAGA,because this is a little silly. dude... MadFrog isn't nearly on the same level mechanically that Idra is. Idra was put on tilt due to the ridiculousness of Sarens strats, so he made a terrible decision with his hydras into sieged tanks with ultras on the way. Although, the only 2 games I saw of Tarson vs. Madfrog, Tarson had the most ridiculous unit combination I've ever seen, but if Idra can counter reaper, ghost, marauder, medivac, then I'd say Idra 3-1 easy. Morrow vs. Dimaga should be closer so long as Dimaga doesn't decide that baneling busts and ling all-ins are a good idea, but his apparent inability to handle mech of any sorts makes me favor Morrow 3-2. edit: also, to the above guy, this is not the place, and 2 if you're trolling, shut up. | ||
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Hunch
Canada336 Posts
hoping idra and morrow win for a epic finals! | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On August 20 2010 23:45 aznhockeyboy16 wrote: dude... MadFrog isn't nearly on the same level mechanically that Idra is. TLO was favoured vs Morrow.. And he lost. Tarson never was favoured and.. won. Expect unexpected my friend! The less games are predictable,the better they are! :D | ||
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Hjertify
Sweden70 Posts
On August 20 2010 23:50 Kurumi wrote: TLO was favoured vs Morrow.. And he lost. Tarson never was favoured and.. won. Expect unexpected my friend! The less games are predictable,the better they are! :D but thats becouse people favoured players they liked mroe then in skill term. Most people knew that morrows TvT is betetr then TLO's and that Madfrogs macro/gamesense is still not good enougth for this tournament.. | ||
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aznhockeyboy16
United States558 Posts
On August 20 2010 23:55 Hjertify wrote: but thats becouse people favoured players they liked mroe then in skill term. Most people knew that morrows TvT is betetr then TLO's and that Madfrogs macro/gamesense is still not good enougth for this tournament.. there's also the fact that we haven't heard much about Morrow in SC2, and I had never heard of Tarson. but yeah... this. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
On August 20 2010 23:43 shlomo wrote: Maybe because sticking to the weak early game race which always has to defend all this early cheese / allins makes you a more solid player overall, whereas playing the cheesemaster race (aka Terran) will get you used to sloppy play and relying on bullshit crutches rather than actual skill? The top Zergs like IdrA and Dimaga are clearly better players and by a significant margin atm, it's only fair if they win. Doesn't mean T isn't the cheesemaster/easymode race or that ZvT isn't an uphill battle. I think I remember watching a game on Kulas of you vs Lalush I think? (Or maybe not, I forget who the zerg was). And as good as you are, it's incredible how sloppy and generally passive a Terran is allowed to be, and how many mistakes he can make and still take the game, vs how brutally unforgiving Zerg is, and how constantly hyperactive they have to be to stay competitive. So yeah, top players who stick with Zerg end up being straightforwardly better. Surprise? Not really. 1. Wrong topic 2. You are mixing up race mechanics and balance. Obviously, the race that has the highest macro possibilities, the highest unit production possibilities and thus usually the strongest late game if you talk about equally skilled opponents, wont have the strong harassing units and the strongest defensive units, you need to pull-off through the early game to win with zerg, thats just how the goddamn race works. (Note, im not giving an opinion as far as if I think terran or zerg need to be balanced, im just saying that your opinion is just a whole lot of cries that bring absolutely nothing to the discussion) On topic : I really dont want to see a mirror match-up final. With that said, Il hhave to give the Morrow vs Dimaga game to Morrow because he just plays extremely and he himself stated in an interview that his TvZ was good (its his TvP that he has problems with). Ill give a second game to Idra, Tarson is playing extremely well but Im not sure its gonna be enough to beat Idra. | ||
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
Dimaga 2.05 MorroW 1.70 IdrA 1.43 Tarson 2.60 | ||
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Onlinejaguar
Australia2823 Posts
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
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Nakmal
United States24 Posts
I really like and play zerg and I'm glad to see them doing well, I was beginning to think that zerg was super underpowered by reading this site but this tournament has given me hope that zerg can be super competitive. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On August 21 2010 00:07 Nakmal wrote: Where do I find videos or replays of this tournaments matches? I'm really new to the site (1st post) and I am pretty lost. I really like and play zerg and I'm glad to see them doing well, I was beginning to think that zerg was super underpowered by reading this site but this tournament has given me hope that zerg can be super competitive. http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/ has the VODs, eventually | ||
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shlomo
258 Posts
On August 21 2010 00:02 TurpinOS wrote: Obviously, the race that has the highest macro possibilities, the highest unit production possibilities and thus usually the strongest late game rofl, I thought Zerg unit production capability was already balanced by the fact that they have like 5 units to choose from (in before "omg you forgot changelings!!1) and they all are pretty inefficient. But hey what do I know, I guess Zerg is awesome, that's why it's so overrepresented everywhere on ladder. And Terran being overrepresented clearly has nothing to do with the fact that it's a cheese/easywin oriented race, obv. | ||
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
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Jaug
Sweden249 Posts
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