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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 03 2010 09:36 HuK wrote: Silver played well and deserved the wins he got so congratz to him. all the haters and nay Sayers need to sit down because yes he plays terran, no terran isn't op; and he played really well this tournament This is why you are absolutely awesome. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On August 03 2010 09:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote: This is why you are absolutely awesome. Very good manner from Huk. At the end of the day, Silver won. But it was hardly entertaining to watch, but hey, he still won. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On August 03 2010 09:57 Fruscainte wrote: Very good manner from Huk. At the end of the day, Silver won. But it was hardly entertaining to watch, but hey, he still won. I thought the games were pretty cool to watch, but I was watching myself, didn't see from commentator's point of view, not sure if you're blaming their play style or the commentator there | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On August 03 2010 09:36 HuK wrote: Silver played well and deserved the wins he got so congratz to him. all the haters and nay Sayers need to sit down because yes he plays terran, no terran isn't op; and he played really well this tournament Very glad to hear a TOP PLAYER say that terran isn't op.  | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On August 03 2010 09:58 Fayth wrote: I thought the games were pretty cool to watch, but I was watching myself, didn't see from commentator's point of view, not sure if you're blaming their play style or the commentator there Both the style and the commentator. But WP silver. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
For example, in the Qxc vs. Silver final game, the caster basically focused the camera on Silver's defensive force but completely ignored his offensive army, thus taking the battle totally out of context and making it seem as though Silver was idling with his units while Qxc was mauling through his expo, when he was actually micro'ing his second army in Qxc's base and taking out all the production buildings. The battle happened because Qxc was caught out of position and couldn't respond to the attack at home. Normally, you'd call that a base trade, in which case it was obvious why Silver won: he did more damage than Qxc did. It wasn't "ZOMG MIND BLOWING" at all. It was a natural outcome of Silver's tendency to split his army and drop precisely after his opponent moves out. The same thing happened in Huk's game and it's clear that it's a very integral part of Silver's style to attack on several fronts. But we didn't get to see that, because the caster acted as if there was one battle and only one battle going on at any one time. I hate to make a pun on his name here, but... Yeah. Pure miss on that one. An advice to the caster, if he's watching this thread: look at the mini-map more, or get someone to ping stuff if you don't think you'll be able to catch it all. | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
On August 03 2010 09:59 ReachTheSky wrote: Very glad to hear a TOP PLAYER say that terran isn't op. if president obama said pigs can fly would you believe it? ..doesn't matter who says it ..stats don't lie. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On August 03 2010 09:36 HuK wrote: Silver played well and deserved the wins he got so congratz to him. all the haters and nay Sayers need to sit down because yes he plays terran, no terran isn't op; and he played really well this tournament | ||
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Fanov
Canada42 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On August 03 2010 09:21 Fruscainte wrote: The caster was horrible Silver is just a cheeser and the commentator was horrible. "That banshee got 3 kills. So it paid for itself." 3 scv's = 150 minerals 1 banshee = 150 minerals 100 gas Uh, I'm no mathematician but I don't think that's paid for. Not to mention him missing the nuke being made, that SIlver never used, he missed the medivac drop being destroyed, uggghhh he was soooooo bad. I find it exceedingly hilarious that that commentator said that Huk's 2 gate robo push was an "all in cheese" I gotta say something here. The commentator might not be very good, but you're exaggerating the level of his mis-analysis. First of all, 3 SCVs is not 150 minerals, and a Banshee is not 150 minerals 100 gas. 3 SCVs is 150 minerals + the time you spent making those SCVs + the missed mining from not having those SCVs. 1 Banshee is 150 minerals 100 gas + the effort you invested into a tech lab starport (presuming you make only 1 Banshee) + the time it took to build that banshee when you could've been building something else. Whether 3 SCVs is a worthwhile trade for 1 Banshee is not a simple question - it is entirely dependent on when those 3 SCVs die and whether it screws up your opponent's game flow (build order, timing, etc.) more than losing 1 Banshee screws up yours. Nor is Silver just a cheeser. The build he used against Huk, with the floating fac, is the same build IntoTheRainbow used in the KOTB to great effect, and which KawaiiRice used to defeat Huk in the Wolf Cup. It is a common opening in TvP and earns you something even if you don't use the fac for making hellions in his base, since if you're going MMM or fast banshees (as people who go proxy fac typically do), the fac is just a way to get to starport anyways. Also, fast marine marauder pressure is standard in TvP, and any Terran would exploit an opportunity like the one Huk gave Silver to build a bunker if he could. Usually you bring a SCV to draw fire - as the commentator said - from your army. But if the opponent doesn't see it, then building a bunker out of sight is a smart move and most pros would probably do it if given the chance. None of the builds that Silver used against IdrA were cheeses, either. They were just strong, map-specific timings that IdrA could not defend against because of Zerg possibly not having a good "safe" build to deny all potential Terran openings. It's not a cheese unless it's a build that would spectacularly fail if the opponent knew it was coming. Tank on a hill is good regardless, since if the opponent doesn't know it's coming, he'll lose his expo, whereas if he knew it was coming, he'll have to sac his economy to make air and/or overlord drop. So either way you gain something as a Terran, and both the tank and the medivac will be useful later game. Similarly, hellion + thor is standard mech play against Zerg. It's like TLO's tank + thor + marine timing except it uses more thors, more hellions, and less tanks. It's very strong against almost any Zerg build but especially against zergling + muta. That was a straight BO loss by IdrA and you could argue that it's because Zerg can't scout Terran that well. But if so, that's more of an imbalance than a cheese. | ||
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Puremiss
United States232 Posts
On August 03 2010 10:04 Azarkon wrote: About Puremiss: commentary was okay, and honestly I don't expect pro-level commentary from anyone except maybe Day9 who was a former pro; the problem was the camera control. Too many missed drops, harasses, and skirmishes made it SEEM as though the players were retarded even though they were actually fighting on multiple fronts, multi-tasking, etc. Some of the complaints about Silver and/or Huk in these games comes directly from the fact that we weren't able to see most of what they were actually doing. The games weren't bad - we just didn't get to see much of it. For example, in the Qxc vs. Silver final game, the caster basically focused the camera on Silver's defensive force but completely ignored his offensive army, thus taking the battle totally out of context and making it seem as though Silver was idling with his units while Qxc was mauling through his expo, when he was actually micro'ing his second army in Qxc's base and taking out all the production buildings. The battle happened because Qxc was caught out of position and couldn't respond to the attack at home. Normally, you'd call that a base trade, in which case it was obvious why Silver won: he did more damage than Qxc did. It wasn't "ZOMG MIND BLOWING" at all. It was a natural outcome of Silver's tendency to split his army and drop precisely after his opponent moves out. The same thing happened in Huk's game and it's clear that it's a very integral part of Silver's style to attack on several fronts. But we didn't get to see that, because the caster acted as if there was one battle and only one battle going on at any one time. I hate to make a pun on his name here, but... Yeah. Pure miss on that one. An advice to the caster, if he's watching this thread: look at the mini-map more, or get someone to ping stuff if you don't think you'll be able to catch it all. Appreciate this post, one of the few constructive pieces of criticism. Some people hating on the cast just giving me one liner disses... and that's totally fine to express their thoughts on the cast, but seriously? calling me a (and quote from someone I saw) "10 yr old autistic kid"? Come on, have some common decency here. At least let me know what you did not like about the commentating, so I can address your concerns, instead of just going "He sucks dick" and that's the end of it. Again if you had an issue with my commentating feel absolutely free to send me a PM or post here. I'll take the time to fully address any concerns you might have and reply back, I'm open for advice. You can say I'm horrible if that's what you think but at least afterwards let me know why you think that, and I will actually read and remember what you have to say. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Anyways, I think if you fix the camera issue and be more attentive to unit movements on the mini-map, you'll do fine. Also, ignore the pure haters. There's always a few of those and TL is usually good at straightening them up. | ||
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Socram
Mexico46 Posts
gg huk | ||
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Unfurl
United States272 Posts
On August 03 2010 10:44 Socram wrote: Hey remember when huk made fun of IdrA for losing to Silver? HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA I agree! The only person Idra ever loses to is 1) person in the finals or 2) to the person who eventually wins the finals and whoever said huk is a top player, please give the definition of a top player? Huk should be relieved that he didn't need to lose to idra again | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
You were not fluent at all, in my opinion, in the way you casted. I can understand that casting something live might be difficult, but you were even doing it on games that you had previously seen. It's something that you should really try to work on. The autistic 10 year old comment may have been overly harsh, but that's really the truth at the core. You were stuttering over yourself persistently throughout the cast, you clearly were trying to go somewhere but you were having a lot of trouble getting there, if you know what I mean. Even if you have to talk slower or not do as much content, I'd rather cover less content and know what the heck you are saying than you just tripping over your words. Also, sort of coinciding with the last point, you really missed all the action. There are plenty of huge examples already presented, I feel no need to give more. You really should be paying attention to the minimap more. And lastly, I feel you act really unprofessional and are trying too hard. I mean, throughout the IdrA games you were casting a while ago, you basically spent most of the game laughing about how IdrA nerd rages all the time and how he thinks that T is imbalanced and laughing at him and stuff. I'm sorry, but shouldn't you be sort of explaining why T is not imbalanced to the thousands of people watching instead of just cracking jokes? He had a legitimate point, T has some really unfair advantages on most maps. Paraphrasing here, but the way you said "Yeah uh, I don't see how T can be imbalanced. He's just raging more, heheh" Is anything but professional. Also, take your thing off the APM tab and put it on the Production tab. It will help you notice more, if you see something (like a nuke) being made on the corner of your eye. | ||
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elcarni
Argentina38 Posts
anyways thanks for casting the matches, they were really fun ^^ | ||
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vinautomatic
United States65 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 03 2010 10:11 reza wrote: if president obama said pigs can fly would you believe it? ..doesn't matter who says it ..stats don't lie. Name the last time a terran player won a big tournament. I'm not even saying terran isn't the best race, it just annoys me how people go on about how unbeatable they are, and yet every single big tournament has been won by a zerg or protoss ever since Lucifron won that monthly Go4sc2 final way back in the middle of the beta... (or if you want to count maka's win of ASM-1, Im not sure what the prizepool was). | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On August 03 2010 10:49 Unfurl wrote: I agree! The only person Idra ever loses to is 1) person in the finals or 2) to the person who eventually wins the finals and whoever said huk is a top player, please give the definition of a top player? Huk should be relieved that he didn't need to lose to idra again huk has been hovering around the top 1-2 of the worldwide ladder for a while. id say he's near the top. | ||
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