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![[image loading]](http://www.gotfrag.com/files/upload/sc2_announcement_617.jpg) I am proud to be the one to bring you this news, something I have waited for a long time and constantly teased this community over the past couple of months. Thanks you for being so patient, easygoing, and tuning into all of the past MLG related stuff here on TeamLiquid. Enjoy and see you guys in Raleigh! 
Starcraft 2 Added to 2010 MLG Pro Circuit Starting in Raleigh
Major League Gaming is thrilled to announce the addition of Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty to the 2010 MLG Pro Circuit. Starting with our Raleigh Pro Circuit Competition, August 27-29, the highly anticipated sequel to Blizzard Entertainment's real-time strategy game will join the MLG Pro Circuit as an open registration title. Blizzard has selected MLG as its Official North American Partner for Starcraft 2, and we’re tremendously excited to extend our relationship with them and foster a competitive tournament experience in this game as well as in World of Warcraft.
The First Live North American Starcraft 2 Event Kicks Off at MLG Raleigh:
* 1v1 format
* 32 players, open registration
* Double-elimination format
* Over $5,000 in cash prizes
* Passes are $60 per player
* Registration opens Tuesday at 7pm ET on MLGPro.com
* Culminates in National Championship in Dallas, November 5-7
Join us in Raleigh and Be a Part of Starcraft 2’s First Live Tournament!
* August 27-29
* Raleigh Marriott City Center (more info)
* Open Competitions in Halo 3, Tekken 6, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, World of Warcraft, and Starcraft 2 (more info)
* Spectator passes are $25 for the weekend
* Get a free spectator pass by wearing an MLG UMAD? Hot Topic t-shirt (more info)
The inaugural Starcraft 2 Pro Circuit Season will surely boast an unbelievable array of epic matches and historic events. More information regarding Starcraft 2 will be released in the coming weeks. Get your build orders ready and your hotkeys set, and we’ll see you in Raleigh.
EDIT: I understand and have read all of the criticisms thus far and have shown them to the right people. Working with MLG the past couple of years I will be the first to tell you that MLG listens to the community and make changes based upon those criticisms. Keep this in mind when posting (and don't flame us too hard!  )
Notable Posts from MLG Staff throughout the thread:
On to the topic at hand - We are extremely excited to be able to partner with Blizzard to bring fans SC2 tournaments. Raleigh will just be the beginning. We've got some big plans for players and fans alike.
Thanks
- Sundance (co-founder and CEO)
Back to the topic at hand, I've been working on SC2 and adding it to the Pro Circuit along with Adam and Sundance for a couple of years now. Can't tell you how excited we are to be able to announce it and the details that will be coming up. Very excited to be Blizzard's Official NA Partner for SC2.
As Adam says, 32 spots is what's open for the first event. We'll see how it goes from there, although we are very much aware of how popular this game is. There's a whole PC division here at MLG that has done nothing but drool over SC2 since it was unveiled 2+yrs ago.
- Lee (senior vice president, premium services)
The more tournaments we have, and the more people we have that sign up for the tournaments, will directly influence the amount of people we accommodate at future tournaments. Show us how bad you want the extra slots for Raleigh and buy them out in 30 minutes, then we might have some more news.
- JP
This is our FIRST ever event for this title. Halo has been on the circuit for 7 years. Let's sell 32 passes first and then go from there. We all want this to be huge (emphasize ALL), but we need to build in steps. I would love to put down a flag that says 'HUGE' every time we pick up a title and know for a fact that given a specific formula of (bracket size, prize pot, # of stations=success). Sadly, it does not work like that.
Give us time. We want to build this right.
- Adam (senior vice president, league operations and production)
Source: http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/310279/Starcraft-II-Added-to-Pro-Circuit
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32 players?!? well gl to those 32
Edit: Happy to see that SC2 is getting popular.
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OMG SICKKKKKKKKKNESS, thx for the news jp <33 looking forward to it
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Can't wait to tune into MLG weekend streams again. (Will it have a stream JP?)
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Great to see MLG pick up games that aren't gay <3 Who will be casting this? You and Day9? That'd be awesome, or the two of you with DJwheat? That would be epic ohmygosh.
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Very nice. Excited for this.
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Hahaha this is awesome :D
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Can I look forward to day9 or djwheat commentating? :$
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so what exactly does "open registration" mean? First 32 to sign up?
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Day9 on Wearing an MLG staff shirt...haha thats an epic thought.
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I'm going to go tot his hopefully
And probably get raped 
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i can't wait to see huks pretty face stomp nerds!
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On July 31 2010 05:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
so what exactly does "open registration" mean? First 32 to sign up?
Yeah, when they go on sale at 7pm it's first come first serve.
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yea i dont really agree with this open registration thing, should have qualifiers or invite or something..
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Open registration kind of sucks, but meh, it's the first event. Hopefully high level players will try and go to this instead of the diehard MLG followers.
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I was just assuming I read that wrong.
Open registration is terrible. It will be 6-7 guys that are sponsored to go + 3-4 guys who can fork out the money to go (root) cutting through everyone else who are simply there for some other game but think SC2 is pretty cool
Sad panda..
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Just for US Citizens or US bnet players??
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ignore my comment i just see that it's a lan event sry for my noobness XD
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I have to agree with incontrol on this, As a spectater i dont want to see some local bronze player go against someone like HuK, sheth, or any top player. Its not fun to watch. The only games worth watching would be the semi finals and finals.
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I am officially super excited. Open registration is a little meh, but I see why they would do it that way.
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Registration opens Tuesday at 7pm ET on MLGPro.com
Might I ask which Tuesday? Also is there any way to reserve a spot? This open registration stuff seems tricky....
Basically +1 what Geoff said. Also YAY MLG For sc2 !
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where in US is this taking place?
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raleigh, according to the site, is in north carolina
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ah okay, a bit too far then I believe...
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Qualifier tournament that anyone can join is prob the best way to do this imo. Look at how msl/osl do their qualifiers and learn from that.
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Wow, 32 spots seems quite low. 0.o Hopefully I can get one of them....
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That's awsome news! I'm really looking forward to it.
I'm very happy to see a partnership between blizzard and MLG
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there seem to be absolutely no MLG events that are anywhere near the west coast...
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This must be a test run of some sort. 32 players and open registration just doesn't make a good combination when the game in hand is StarCraft. Ah well, I hope they come to their senses in the future and host online qualifiers and/or invite top players instead so we can get actually good quality games to spectate.
I guess/hope we can see a bit more grand stuff from MLG in the future.
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On July 31 2010 06:52 JiYan wrote:
60$ buyin o.o
and it's in NORTH CAROLINA, how random
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Hopefully someone from tl will get into this and rape everyone
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This looks amazing!!!! I am so impressed with the coverage and tournaments that is being posted as the quality gets better and better. Great job MLG! Hope to start participating in LAN events eventually
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They really should hold qualifiers...
Also, will there be a stream?
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On July 31 2010 06:56 blabber wrote:and it's in NORTH CAROLINA, how random
Haters gonna Hate.
We provided America with quality entertainment
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On July 31 2010 06:39 blabber wrote:
there seem to be absolutely no MLG events that are anywhere near the west coast...
Except Las Vegas (the championship) San Diego, and toronto?????
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This must be a test run of some sort. 32 players and open registration just doesn't make a good combination when the game in hand is StarCraft. Ah well, I hope they come to their senses in the future and host online qualifiers and/or invite top players instead so we can get actually good quality games to spectate.
I guess/hope we can see a bit more grand stuff from MLG in the future.
It's worth noting that all tournaments for all their games in their pro circuit are open (5 a year) while the nationals are closed (1 per year), basically this is the qualifying games for the real tournament.
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On July 31 2010 06:56 blabber wrote:and it's in NORTH CAROLINA, how random
How is 60$ buyin unreasonable? Also North Carolina and Virginia area has a huge scene and again theres 6 event in a TOUR. What do you expect. This is a big LAN tournament
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JP, I live very close to Raleigh and would be THRILLED to help out with this tournament in any way, be it live coverage or content for the web, advertising, whatever. PM me if you see this and can think of some use for me, otherwise expect to see me in Raleigh anyway trying to interview players and such.
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On July 31 2010 07:03 Zironic wrote:Show nested quote +This must be a test run of some sort. 32 players and open registration just doesn't make a good combination when the game in hand is StarCraft. Ah well, I hope they come to their senses in the future and host online qualifiers and/or invite top players instead so we can get actually good quality games to spectate.
I guess/hope we can see a bit more grand stuff from MLG in the future. It's worth noting that all tournaments for all their games in their pro circuit are open (5 a year) while the nationals are closed (1 per year), basically this is the qualifying games for the real tournament.
I see. So anyone american gamers plan on going? Driving cross country isn't that bad. Would suck if the tourney is just filled with local north caroliners noobing it up on stage.
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wtf @ open registration
this went from being awesome to being terrible
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Details about a stream are probably still being worked out. It'll probably take a week or two.
As for the qualifier idea, would you recommend a weekend online tournament? It's one month until the event, after all. Given the timing, holding a two-week ladder with the top X players moving on to a bracket in which the top 32 finishers are invited to the offline tournament, is not exactly feasible.
And yes, with the limited number of competitors, hopefully all of them are top- or high-level players. As far as I know, people outside of the US can compete in this, provided they can get to the event.
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is it only open for US citizens, or can ppl who's living in the US for the time being also participate?
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On July 31 2010 06:43 Puosu wrote:
This must be a test run of some sort. 32 players and open registration just doesn't make a good combination when the game in hand is StarCraft. Ah well, I hope they come to their senses in the future and host online qualifiers and/or invite top players instead so we can get actually good quality games to spectate.
I guess/hope we can see a bit more grand stuff from MLG in the future.
Ive been around for the MLG Halo pro scene for 3-4 years now, attended MLG Dallas in '06, '07, and '08. MLG has always done registration for the 'open' sections of their tournaments like this. It is sort of a hassle as it is first come first serve but if people really want to go then they get a pass somehow (in Halo at least).
My guess is that MLG does not realize the following that Starcraft actually has (possibly based on WoW which has been around the league for the last 1-2 years) and this initial tournament size is just an estimate due to their thoughts on participation. So basically it is up to us to make an effort and show MLG that Starcraft will have a good following and it can only continue to grow as MLG certainly has shown with their impressive tournaments they have supplied in the past.
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Is it fair to assume they will use the same commentators they did for their King of the Beta Hill tournament? They should at least make sure they pick up diamond players. They can easily check that through SC2.com.
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To everyone talking about open registration, MLG Clap, a League Ops member at MLG, had this to say,
If it sells out 32 passes we'll take a look at it again. Remember, this is only regular season events. There will be a national championship.
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On July 31 2010 06:35 Whiplash wrote:
Qualifier tournament that anyone can join is prob the best way to do this imo. Look at how msl/osl do their qualifiers and learn from that.
Remember that this is a brand new ordeal for MLG, who is making an effort to make gaming a big thing in the United States. They have grown immensly in the past five years and only continue to do so. Halo has dominated MLG since its existance since it is most popular in the US, but as I stated above, if we show them a good turnout things are most likely to change.
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so i dont understand, the event in NC is to qualify for the championship in dallas?
and the 5k prizepool is for the qualifier or for dallas?
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On July 31 2010 07:15 HuK wrote:
so i dont understand, the event in NC is to qualify for the championship in dallas?
and the 5k prizepool is for the qualifier or for dallas?
The event in NC has a 5k prize pool. You can also qualify for the championship in Dallas by doing well in NC.
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On July 31 2010 07:16 itmeJP wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 07:15 HuK wrote:
so i dont understand, the event in NC is to qualify for the championship in dallas?
and the 5k prizepool is for the qualifier or for dallas? The event in NC has a 5k prize pool. You can also qualify for the championship in Dallas by doing well in NC.
OK cool. That makes much better sense.
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On July 31 2010 07:15 HuK wrote:
so i dont understand, the event in NC is to qualify for the championship in dallas?
and the 5k prizepool is for the qualifier or for dallas?
In no way am I associated with MLG but from my experience with Halo for the last 4 years I can try to explain..
MLG holds multiple events around the US in a 'season'. As far as Halo is concerned, points are awarded for top teams and spots are held for the top teams each event. Cash and point prizes are handed out at each event basically.. The National Championships lock in the top 7 teams with the most points in the 'Championship Bracket' with 1 spot awarded to whoever registers and makes it out of an 'Open' (or amateur) bracket. Usually, the events leading up to the National Championships have hefty cash prizes, but the National Championship itself is the most rewarding. This being said, Starcraft 2 is being added DURING THE SEASON, which means they may do things differently.
For more detailed information on this and past events and what not try www.mlgpro.com
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On July 31 2010 07:21 NasD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 07:15 HuK wrote:
so i dont understand, the event in NC is to qualify for the championship in dallas?
and the 5k prizepool is for the qualifier or for dallas? In no way am I associated with MLG but from my experience with Halo for the last 4 years I can try to explain.. MLG holds multiple events around the US in a 'season'. As far as Halo is concerned, points are awarded for top teams and spots are held for the top teams each event. Cash and point prizes are handed out at each event basically.. The National Championships lock in the top 7 teams with the most points in the 'Championship Bracket' with 1 spot awarded to whoever registers and makes it out of an 'Open' (or amateur) bracket. Usually, the events leading up to the National Championships have hefty cash prizes, but the National Championship itself is the most rewarding. This being said, Starcraft 2 is being added DURING THE SEASON, which means they may do things differently. For more detailed information on this and past events and what not try www.mlgpro.com
Hopefully they will avoid the dumb pro contracts for sc2.
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I think if the tournament sells over 32 they'll either just handpick or increase the tournament slot. They are announcing this one month away so I understand if they want to have a small tournament to begin with. Registration and etc might be different for future events. MLG usually works with multiple tournaments for their season, where players build up rank and then have the top players of the season compete in one last final tournament which usually has bigger prize money.
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open registrations.... lol i guess they cant just try to hold qualifiers and get the best players and pay for the players?
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On July 31 2010 05:50 AyJay wrote:
Can I look forward to day9 or djwheat commentating? :$
This.
And I also think the open registration is a little dumb. Watching non-pro matches is a little frustrating.
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After Blizzard starts it's pro divisions I'm sure that will be one of the requirements to enter. If you can't make it into the top league online you really have no business showing up to play at mlg. But this is so awesome. MLG will take North American Starcraft to the next level. If it gets popular enough and has enough support the prize pools will get bigger and bigger. Than we could actually see full time pro gamers in North America, who can topple the Asian monopoly of pro starcraft.
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On July 31 2010 07:02 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 06:39 blabber wrote:
there seem to be absolutely no MLG events that are anywhere near the west coast... Except Las Vegas (the championship) San Diego, and toronto?????
all I see is Orlando, Washington D.C., Raleigh, Columbus, and Dallas
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I'm an MLG fan (I play halo) but this format seems very limiting. Haven't they seen the potential exposure they could get from the HDH? This should be bigger.
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What do people mean by qualifiers? This IS a qualifier, the final 32 or whatever will go to Las Vegas for the championship. Do people really want qualifiers for the qualifiers?
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On July 31 2010 08:15 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 07:02 OHtRUe wrote:On July 31 2010 06:39 blabber wrote:
there seem to be absolutely no MLG events that are anywhere near the west coast... Except Las Vegas (the championship) San Diego, and toronto????? all I see is Orlando, Washington D.C., Raleigh, Columbus, and Dallas
Those were the venues for this season. It varies season to season.
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On July 31 2010 08:08 Reborn8u wrote:
After Blizzard starts it's pro divisions I'm sure that will be one of the requirements to enter. If you can't make it into the top league online you really have no business showing up to play at mlg.
They make their money from random halo teams who have no chance of winning entering their tournaments. I doubt they would go full invite like they should.
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jalstar, this is also a regular tourney with a prize pool and everything. No doubt top 8 (16?) will get points and be seeded as well. I'm concerned, however, that the prize pool and bracket aren't large enough to draw the best players in NA. No one wants mediocre players in a supposed "pro" league.
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perhaps MLG is going a different route, like the EPS in Germany: top players qualify in several tournaments for the larger championship. That might make more sense, considering that MLG travels around the country.
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MLG is well-known on the gamebattles and MLG communities for not paying out money they owe. I made over $1000 in a series of tournaments for a different RTS and I didn't get my money until after I contacted the BBB, the NY AG and the FTC. Even then it took 8 months when I was told 30-90 days. I have a friend who is owed over $1000 for CoD4 that never got his money.
Take MLG's participation with SC2 with a grain of salt. They are not a reputable company.
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On July 31 2010 08:18 Parsistamon wrote:
I'm an MLG fan (I play halo) but this format seems very limiting. Haven't they seen the potential exposure they could get from the HDH? This should be bigger.
HDH wasn't a LAN event.
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On July 31 2010 08:32 iEchoic wrote:
MLG is well-known on the gamebattles and MLG communities for not paying out money they owe. I made over $1000 in a series of tournaments for a different RTS and I didn't get my money until after I contacted the BBB, the NY AG and the FTC. Even then it took 8 months when I was told 30-90 days. I have a friend who is owed over $1000 for CoD4 that never got his money.
Take MLG's participation with SC2 with a grain of salt. They are not a reputable company.
These were most definitely ONLINE situations though. MLG live events work much differently
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On July 31 2010 08:32 iEchoic wrote:
MLG is well-known on the gamebattles and MLG communities for not paying out money they owe. I made over $1000 in a series of tournaments for a different RTS and I didn't get my money until after I contacted the BBB, the NY AG and the FTC. Even then it took 8 months when I was told 30-90 days. I have a friend who is owed over $1000 for CoD4 that never got his money.
Take MLG's participation with SC2 with a grain of salt. They are not a reputable company.
MLG's ceo addressed this on DJ wheat's show (weapon of choice? I think?)
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On July 31 2010 08:36 Parsistamon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:32 iEchoic wrote:
MLG is well-known on the gamebattles and MLG communities for not paying out money they owe. I made over $1000 in a series of tournaments for a different RTS and I didn't get my money until after I contacted the BBB, the NY AG and the FTC. Even then it took 8 months when I was told 30-90 days. I have a friend who is owed over $1000 for CoD4 that never got his money.
Take MLG's participation with SC2 with a grain of salt. They are not a reputable company. MLG's ceo addressed this on DJ wheat's show (weapon of choice? I think?)
What did he say?
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He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect.
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It kind of confuses me how much of the MLG community think Starcraft 2 can be as big as Halo: Reach. Am I just oblivious to the other gaming communities? I was under the impression that the Starcraft scene is much much bigger than Halo. ???
With that said, it's good to see MLG pick up Starcraft 2 and hopefully open up the doors to a competitive proleague in North America similar to that of Korea! Goodluck JP!
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On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect.
This.
considering MLG's size and capital I doubt they would begrudge anyone $1,000 dollars. They can't afford to make themselves look bad like that.
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On July 31 2010 08:34 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:18 Parsistamon wrote:
I'm an MLG fan (I play halo) but this format seems very limiting. Haven't they seen the potential exposure they could get from the HDH? This should be bigger. HDH wasn't a LAN event.
True, but my comment about exposure remains unchanged. HDH got hundreds of thousands of views. It would be a good to MLG if they got just a reasonable fraction of that, but without top players and big money it's not gonna happen. They're wasting a big opportunity, IMO.
I think at least some of the bracket should be invites, for the really great players and then have a qualifier, much like the GG invitational.
edit: bah I keep double posting sorry.
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Everything has to be an invitational apparently. Harpin on the lesser skilled dooders that are looking for some LAN experience is pretty weak.
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On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect.
Sounds like PR bullshit to me, they've been intentionally obscuring routes to talk to higher-ups. When I was trying to get my money, I was asking every staff member how I could speak to someone higher up the line. They all refused to give me any contact info. They force everything through lower-level staffers.
On July 31 2010 08:43 Parsistamon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect. This. considering MLG's size and capital I doubt they would begrudge anyone $1,000 dollars. They can't afford to make themselves look bad like that.
Well, they do. Go read the GB/MLG forums and ask around.
Not gonna hijack the thread anymore just letting people know that MLG is not reputable and you need to be very careful to document any winnings incase it comes to legal action.
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Great news!
I might actually show up at Dallas to spectate, GJ MLG and JP!
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On July 31 2010 08:50 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect. Sounds like PR bullshit to me, they've been intentionally obscuring routes to talk to higher-ups. When I was trying to get my money, I was asking every staff member how I could speak to someone higher up the line. They all refused to give me any contact info. They force everything through lower-level staffers. Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:43 Parsistamon wrote:On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect. This. considering MLG's size and capital I doubt they would begrudge anyone $1,000 dollars. They can't afford to make themselves look bad like that. Well, they do. Go read the GB/MLG forums and ask around. Not gonna hijack the thread anymore just letting people know that MLG is not reputable and you need to be very careful to document any winnings incase it comes to legal action.
I've been a member on the MLG forums since 2008 and have never heard any such allegations. The first time I heard them, in fact, was on DJ Wheat's show.
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The Halo scene dwarfs starcraft in case your unaware. At least in the U.S. First place in vegas for halo is 100,000 usd. The Ogre twins (ogre 1 and ogre 2 who are twin brothers, only 1 of them still plays) and there former longtime teammate walshy have all earned well over half a million dollars each from the Halo series.(MLG signed them to a 3 year, 250,000$ each, deal a while back) They dominated the scene of halo1, and halo 2. In halo 3 they have maintained top 8 but they are not the halo bonjwa's they once were. One year they won every mlg event. The ogre twins never lost a game 2v2 in halo 1 EVER! They also won the wcg 2v2 in halo 2. The last mlg halo 2 event (before they switched over to halo3) they're team of 4 consisting of Ogre1, Ogre 2, walshy, and strongside won the vegas finals without losing a single game in any best of 5's or best of 7's. But I recently read a blog by one of the ogres that says he has approximately 50,000 dollars of unpaid winnings. But he doesn't specify which events and which leagues owe him. They're team was STK (Shoot To Kill) back in the halo 1 days. They've gone by Final Boss ever since.
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On July 31 2010 08:50 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect. Sounds like PR bullshit to me, they've been intentionally obscuring routes to talk to higher-ups. When I was trying to get my money, I was asking every staff member how I could speak to someone higher up the line. They all refused to give me any contact info. They force everything through lower-level staffers. Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:43 Parsistamon wrote:On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect. This. considering MLG's size and capital I doubt they would begrudge anyone $1,000 dollars. They can't afford to make themselves look bad like that. Well, they do. Go read the GB/MLG forums and ask around. Not gonna hijack the thread anymore just letting people know that MLG is not reputable and you need to be very careful to document any winnings incase it comes to legal action.
Hi my name is Adam Apicella, I'm the SVP of League Operations and Production for Major League Gaming. My direct email is aapicella@mlgpro.com. We always pay prize money, period. In the 7 years I have been here this has been a strict business practice, regardless if 10 people show up or 256 teams show up...we always pay. So there you go, no obscure routes to higher ups, I run everything. If you are owed money I want to get you paid.
Hope to see you guys on the circuit!
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On July 31 2010 08:50 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect. Sounds like PR bullshit to me, they've been intentionally obscuring routes to talk to higher-ups. When I was trying to get my money, I was asking every staff member how I could speak to someone higher up the line. They all refused to give me any contact info. They force everything through lower-level staffers. Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:43 Parsistamon wrote:On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect. This. considering MLG's size and capital I doubt they would begrudge anyone $1,000 dollars. They can't afford to make themselves look bad like that. Well, they do. Go read the GB/MLG forums and ask around. Not gonna hijack the thread anymore just letting people know that MLG is not reputable and you need to be very careful to document any winnings incase it comes to legal action.
Email me proof of your winnings and if there's a valid claim I will resolve it. My email is sundance (at) mlgpro.com
It's not PR BS - it's a fact - we pay all winners who fill out the necessary paperwork.
On to the topic at hand - We are extremely excited to be able to partner with Blizzard to bring fans SC2 tournaments. Raleigh will just be the beginning. We've got some big plans for players and fans alike.
Thanks
-sundance
( Adam beat me to the punch. He's the man. )
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On July 31 2010 09:10 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:50 iEchoic wrote:On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect. Sounds like PR bullshit to me, they've been intentionally obscuring routes to talk to higher-ups. When I was trying to get my money, I was asking every staff member how I could speak to someone higher up the line. They all refused to give me any contact info. They force everything through lower-level staffers. On July 31 2010 08:43 Parsistamon wrote:On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect. This. considering MLG's size and capital I doubt they would begrudge anyone $1,000 dollars. They can't afford to make themselves look bad like that. Well, they do. Go read the GB/MLG forums and ask around. Not gonna hijack the thread anymore just letting people know that MLG is not reputable and you need to be very careful to document any winnings incase it comes to legal action. Hi my name is Adam Apicella, I'm the SVP of League Operations and Production for Major League Gaming. My direct email is aapicella@mlgpro.com. We always pay prize money, period. In the 7 years I have been here this has been a strict business practice, regardless if 10 people show up or 256 teams show up...we always pay. So there you go, no obscure routes to higher ups, I run everything. If you are owed money I want to get you paid. Hope to see you guys on the circuit!
Oh hi Adam
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On July 31 2010 09:12 SundanceMLG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:50 iEchoic wrote:On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect. Sounds like PR bullshit to me, they've been intentionally obscuring routes to talk to higher-ups. When I was trying to get my money, I was asking every staff member how I could speak to someone higher up the line. They all refused to give me any contact info. They force everything through lower-level staffers. On July 31 2010 08:43 Parsistamon wrote:On July 31 2010 08:41 JoshSuth wrote:
He said anyone that can prove they are owed a check, he will write one himself. Something to that effect. This. considering MLG's size and capital I doubt they would begrudge anyone $1,000 dollars. They can't afford to make themselves look bad like that. Well, they do. Go read the GB/MLG forums and ask around. Not gonna hijack the thread anymore just letting people know that MLG is not reputable and you need to be very careful to document any winnings incase it comes to legal action. Email me proof of your winnings and if there's a valid claim I will resolve it. My email is sundance (at) mlgpro.com It's not PR BS - it's a fact - we pay all winners who fill out the necessary paperwork. On to the topic at hand - We are extremely excited to be able to partner with Blizzard to bring fans SC2 tournaments. Raleigh will just be the beginning. We've got some big plans for players and fans alike. Thanks -sundance ( Adam beat me to the punch. He's the man. )
Oh hi Sundance
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LOL
Sundance and Adam laying down the truth
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MLG staff :D
Thanks for this.
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wow MLG taking over! ima doodle an IOU real quick with
-sundance
at the bottom just becuz that names sickest imo
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On July 31 2010 08:32 iEchoic wrote:
MLG is well-known on the gamebattles and MLG communities for not paying out money they owe. I made over $1000 in a series of tournaments for a different RTS and I didn't get my money until after I contacted the BBB, the NY AG and the FTC. Even then it took 8 months when I was told 30-90 days. I have a friend who is owed over $1000 for CoD4 that never got his money.
Take MLG's participation with SC2 with a grain of salt. They are not a reputable company.
Don't be the guy MLG had to handle here:
http://shoryuken.com/f7/g-m-m-e-orlando-florida-usa-vs-japan-$5000-sf4-june-4-6-2010-a-212102/index21.html#post8812620
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Well now that Sundance and Adam are here, can I talk to one of you guys about casting with MLG? Or anything else for MLG?
Seriously. I need a job, I'm made of time, and will move anywhere in the States. x.x
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On July 31 2010 09:10 MLG_Adam wrote:
So there you go, no obscure routes to higher ups
![[image loading]](http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2236/lolmlg.png)
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LOL at entire MLG staff jumping on the bad press. Great move by MLG, i've been a long time MLG follower and the events are always well setup and run great (at least what you can see on the live streams.) I hope we get to see the best players though, it would be a shame if it ends up with a bunch of randoms where you can see that players like IdrA would steamroll them (although i do not expect IdrA to come to america for 5k 3-ways, he might in the future.)
[QUOTE=Deimos]Yes, it will be first come, first serve. So make sure you are online when the passes go on sale to purchase it right away.
Also, as for the 32 cap, Clap has already said, that if it fills up quickly, MLG will take a look and see whether its possible to raise the cap.[/QUOTE]
read this on TL btw
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'I'm made of time' Great line. Send me an audition tape (email above). I'll make sure the wimps....err guys in the video department see it (sorry a little bit of Operations vs. Content rivalry )
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On July 31 2010 09:18 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 09:10 MLG_Adam wrote:
So there you go, no obscure routes to higher ups
I'm not here to call you a liar. Far from it. I gave you my email. Please send me relevant information and I'll get it taken care of for you. My response to you was not meant to inflame.
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I'll pile on.
Hello TL community. Been a lurker here for a long time. By way of intro's, my name is Lee Chen. I was the President and a founder at GotFrag.com, which as some of you know, was acquired by MLG in 2007. Prior to that acquisition, GotFrag, under my direction used to run editorial pieces repeatedly on leagues and organizations that didn't pay out. We never ran one on MLG. Why? Because MLG ALWAYS PAYS. One of many reasons that we joined MLG. That certainly hasn't changed since I've been there and remains a core philosophy of the company.
Sundance and Adam have put their contact info up there for anyone with a complaint. It _WILL_ be resolved. Period.
Back to the topic at hand, I've been working on SC2 and adding it to the Pro Circuit along with Adam and Sundance for a couple of years now. Can't tell you how excited we are to be able to announce it and the details that will be coming up. Very excited to be Blizzard's Official NA Partner for SC2.
As Adam says, 32 spots is what's open for the first event. We'll see how it goes from there, although we are very much aware of how popular this game is. There's a whole PC division here at MLG that has done nothing but drool over SC2 since it was unveiled 2+yrs ago.
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Hi Sundance and crew. Fantastic news to hear you're embracing SC2 in North America. MLG fighting!
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On July 31 2010 09:21 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 09:18 iEchoic wrote:On July 31 2010 09:10 MLG_Adam wrote:
So there you go, no obscure routes to higher ups I'm not here to call you a liar. Far from it. I gave you my email. Please send me relevant information and I'll get it taken care of for you. My response to you was not meant to inflame.
Fair enough, and I hope you guys fix your credibility problem, I just don't want to be told you guys are "laying down the truth" when I have a factually accurate story (no idea if that guy is associated with you or not, but he has MLG in his tag as you do and did post something inflammatory).
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On July 31 2010 08:46 Parsistamon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:34 Ownos wrote:On July 31 2010 08:18 Parsistamon wrote:
I'm an MLG fan (I play halo) but this format seems very limiting. Haven't they seen the potential exposure they could get from the HDH? This should be bigger. HDH wasn't a LAN event. True, but my comment about exposure remains unchanged. HDH got hundreds of thousands of views. It would be a good to MLG if they got just a reasonable fraction of that, but without top players and big money it's not gonna happen. They're wasting a big opportunity, IMO. I think at least some of the bracket should be invites, for the really great players and then have a qualifier, much like the GG invitational. edit: bah I keep double posting sorry.
$5000 in cash is definitely bigger than the HDH already so...
And inviting players would destroy the whole point of an OPEN tournament wouldn't it? True, 32 slots and apparently first come first serve isn't ideal, but hopefully they work something out to make sure the truly talented even get into these "qualifying rounds" for the sake of the spectators for these events. MLG can use SC2.com to see if the player is AT LEAST diamond. But if they open up slots that might not be necessary. As every participant is money to MLG anyway. Maybe with more participants the cash prizes can be bigger. Who cares if some KNOWN top player has to grind through the RO256 who are a bunch of bronze players. They don't even have to be casted or shown in any way. Who knows we might get the next TLO out of this (believe it not, there was a point where no one knew who he was).
This isn't in any way, shape, or form comparable to the HDH. A lot of the views attributed to the HDH was the commentators popularity on Youtube. Razer King of the Beta tournament all had invited "big name" players too, and it got only a fraction of that. Many many tournaments during beta all had the same "big names" but did not see similar success. So I would not say inviting players would be the key to getting views.
Not to mention that this is for the most part a North American event. A lot of players in these beta invitationals don't even live in the US. I don't think winning would even pay for their expenses.
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Jesus people just coming in stealing my thunder!
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Sundance you are amazing, been registered on MLG since 2005 and you guys are always there to set things straight with the community.
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On July 31 2010 09:23 itmeJP wrote:
Jesus people just coming in stealing my thunder!
LOL you thought you could come in here and steal all the glory didn't you? :-P
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On July 31 2010 09:22 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 09:21 MLG_Adam wrote:On July 31 2010 09:18 iEchoic wrote:On July 31 2010 09:10 MLG_Adam wrote:
So there you go, no obscure routes to higher ups I'm not here to call you a liar. Far from it. I gave you my email. Please send me relevant information and I'll get it taken care of for you. My response to you was not meant to inflame. Fair enough, and I hope you guys fix your credibility problem, I just don't want to be told you guys are "laying down the truth" when I have a factually accurate story (no idea if that guy is associated with you or not, but he has MLG in his tag as you do and did post something inflammatory).
I honestly have no clue who you spoke to...e.g. I do not recognize the tag. Regardless, lets take this off line and get it fixed. Again, my email is aapicella@mlgpro.com. Thanks for your patience and sorry for any bad experience you have had.
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On July 31 2010 09:19 MLG_Adam wrote:'I'm made of time' Great line. Send me an audition tape (email above). I'll make sure the wimps....err guys in the video department see it (sorry a little bit of Operations vs. Content rivalry )
That being said, if anyone would like to apply for the MLGPro.com SC2 (written) Content and Coverage team, send me an email. Be sure to include your contact info, a brief summation of your history with StarCraft and why you'd like to be a part of the team. Any relevant writing expierience is a plus.
I run all the online content for PC titles on the MLG Pro Circuit and definitely want to put genuine enthusiasm to good use
Email: nbee ( at )mlgpro (dot) com
Video audition guy, be sure to use small words when you email Adam. 
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Poor JP. Don't worry, from Arenacast with Neilyo to SC2 Countdown with Day9 we loves your nerdy ways :D
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On July 31 2010 09:27 MLG.Shrew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 09:19 MLG_Adam wrote:'I'm made of time' Great line. Send me an audition tape (email above). I'll make sure the wimps....err guys in the video department see it (sorry a little bit of Operations vs. Content rivalry ) That being said, if anyone would like to apply for the MLGPro.com SC2 (written) Content and Coverage team, send me an email. Be sure to include your contact info, a brief summation of your history with StarCraft and why you'd like to be a part of the team. Any relevant writing expierience is a plus. Email: nbee@mlgpro.com Video audition guy, be sure to use small words when you email Adam.
He even posts really small and puny.
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Great news, to bad I'm located in Sweden.
Good luck everyone that is participating in the tourney.
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On July 31 2010 09:22 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:46 Parsistamon wrote:On July 31 2010 08:34 Ownos wrote:On July 31 2010 08:18 Parsistamon wrote:
I'm an MLG fan (I play halo) but this format seems very limiting. Haven't they seen the potential exposure they could get from the HDH? This should be bigger. HDH wasn't a LAN event. True, but my comment about exposure remains unchanged. HDH got hundreds of thousands of views. It would be a good to MLG if they got just a reasonable fraction of that, but without top players and big money it's not gonna happen. They're wasting a big opportunity, IMO. I think at least some of the bracket should be invites, for the really great players and then have a qualifier, much like the GG invitational. edit: bah I keep double posting sorry. $5000 in cash is definitely bigger than the HDH already so... And inviting players would destroy the whole point of an OPEN tournament wouldn't it? True, 32 slots and apparently first come first serve isn't ideal, but hopefully they work something out to make sure the truly talented even get into these "qualifying rounds" for the sake of the spectators for these events. MLG can use SC2.com to see if the player is AT LEAST diamond. But if they open up slots that might not be necessary. As every participant is money to MLG anyway. Maybe with more participants the cash prizes can be bigger. Who cares if some KNOWN top player has to grind through the RO256 who are a bunch of bronze players. They don't even have to be casted or shown in any way. Who knows we might get the next TLO out of this (believe it not, there was a point where no one knew who he was).
I just think that there are going to be a lot of first-time SC viewers watching that stream (assuming there is a stream). If we want this to stick (though I'm sure it will regardless), we want the most competitive games possible. I love the spirit of an open tournament, but do we really want first come, first served for such as small bracket? It's pretty much gonna be luck of the draw as to who gets in this tournament. I'm all for MLG's open tournament in Halo, but there are 256 spots there and the top players are seeded regardless.
On July 31 2010 09:22 Ownos wrote:
This isn't in any way, shape, or form comparable to the HDH. A lot of the views attributed to the HDH was the commentators popularity on Youtube. Razer King of the Beta tournament all had invited "big name" players too, and it got only a fraction of that. Many many tournaments during beta all had the same "big names" but did not see similar success. So I would not say inviting players would be the key to getting views.
Not to mention that this is for the most part a North American event. A lot of players in these beta invitationals don't even live in the US. I don't think winning would even pay for their expenses.
I think this is comporable to the HDH in that, much like the HDH views came from "the commentators' popularity on youtube," MLG already has many people who watch their stream on tournament weekends. MLG much more known than Day9, much like HD and Husky. News of this tournament is definitely going to spread beyond TL. Given the already established fanbase, and the amount of people who are demonstrably dedicated to watching SC2 (as illustrated by HDH), why wouldn't MLG want to start this out with a bang?
edit: to clarify after re-reading, I'm not trying to argue that the invites are the key for viewers, but rather that great players make great games, and great games are most likely what will cause the viewer base within MLG to grow.
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On July 31 2010 09:27 MLG.Shrew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 09:19 MLG_Adam wrote:'I'm made of time' Great line. Send me an audition tape (email above). I'll make sure the wimps....err guys in the video department see it (sorry a little bit of Operations vs. Content rivalry ) That being said, if anyone would like to apply for the MLGPro.com SC2 (written) Content and Coverage team, send me an email. Be sure to include your contact info, a brief summation of your history with StarCraft and why you'd like to be a part of the team. Any relevant writing expierience is a plus. I run all the online content for PC titles on the MLG Pro Circuit and definitely want to put genuine enthusiasm to good use Email: nbee@mlgpro.com Video audition guy, be sure to use small words when you email Adam.
Well I already love you guys for even replying to this, so I know what I'll be doing tomorrow: resume revisions and an audition reel. I'll send all of it to both of you.
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On July 31 2010 09:35 JoshSuth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 09:27 MLG.Shrew wrote:On July 31 2010 09:19 MLG_Adam wrote:'I'm made of time' Great line. Send me an audition tape (email above). I'll make sure the wimps....err guys in the video department see it (sorry a little bit of Operations vs. Content rivalry ) That being said, if anyone would like to apply for the MLGPro.com SC2 (written) Content and Coverage team, send me an email. Be sure to include your contact info, a brief summation of your history with StarCraft and why you'd like to be a part of the team. Any relevant writing expierience is a plus. I run all the online content for PC titles on the MLG Pro Circuit and definitely want to put genuine enthusiasm to good use Email: nbee@mlgpro.com Video audition guy, be sure to use small words when you email Adam. Well I already love you guys for even replying to this, so I know what I'll be doing tomorrow: resume revisions and an audition reel. I'll send all of it to both of you.
If you get hired by 'them', prepare for wedgies off camera, and fart noises mid broadcast ()
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On July 31 2010 09:33 Parsistamon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 09:22 Ownos wrote:On July 31 2010 08:46 Parsistamon wrote:On July 31 2010 08:34 Ownos wrote:On July 31 2010 08:18 Parsistamon wrote:
I'm an MLG fan (I play halo) but this format seems very limiting. Haven't they seen the potential exposure they could get from the HDH? This should be bigger. HDH wasn't a LAN event. True, but my comment about exposure remains unchanged. HDH got hundreds of thousands of views. It would be a good to MLG if they got just a reasonable fraction of that, but without top players and big money it's not gonna happen. They're wasting a big opportunity, IMO. I think at least some of the bracket should be invites, for the really great players and then have a qualifier, much like the GG invitational. edit: bah I keep double posting sorry. $5000 in cash is definitely bigger than the HDH already so... And inviting players would destroy the whole point of an OPEN tournament wouldn't it? True, 32 slots and apparently first come first serve isn't ideal, but hopefully they work something out to make sure the truly talented even get into these "qualifying rounds" for the sake of the spectators for these events. MLG can use SC2.com to see if the player is AT LEAST diamond. But if they open up slots that might not be necessary. As every participant is money to MLG anyway. Maybe with more participants the cash prizes can be bigger. Who cares if some KNOWN top player has to grind through the RO256 who are a bunch of bronze players. They don't even have to be casted or shown in any way. Who knows we might get the next TLO out of this (believe it not, there was a point where no one knew who he was). I just think that there are going to be a lot of first-time SC viewers watching that stream (assuming there is a stream). If we want this to stick (though I'm sure it will regardless), we want the most competitive games possible. I love the spirit of an open tournament, but do we really want first come, first served for such as small bracket? It's pretty much gonna be luck of the draw as to who gets in this tournament. I'm all for MLG's open tournament in Halo, but there are 256 spots there and the top players are seeded regardless. Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 09:22 Ownos wrote:
This isn't in any way, shape, or form comparable to the HDH. A lot of the views attributed to the HDH was the commentators popularity on Youtube. Razer King of the Beta tournament all had invited "big name" players too, and it got only a fraction of that. Many many tournaments during beta all had the same "big names" but did not see similar success. So I would not say inviting players would be the key to getting views.
Not to mention that this is for the most part a North American event. A lot of players in these beta invitationals don't even live in the US. I don't think winning would even pay for their expenses. I think this is comporable to the HDH in that, much like the HDH views came from "the commentators' popularity on youtube," MLG already has many people who watch their stream on tournament weekends. MLG much more known than Day9, much like HD and Husky. News of this tournament is definitely going to spread beyond TL. Given the already established fanbase, and the amount of people who are demonstrably dedicated to watching SC2 (as illustrated by HDH), why wouldn't MLG want to start this out with a bang? edit: to clarify after re-reading, I'm not trying to argue that the invites are the key for viewers, but rather that great players make great games, and great games are most likely what will cause the viewer base within MLG to grow.
Because if it doesn't "bang" then they wasted a bunch of money, It's just business. HDH is not a proven LAN tournament. They do multiple events a year, if this sells out I'm sure it'll be larger in the next event a couple months away.
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Hell, it's about damn time. Keep up the good work JP!
It'll be interesting to see who shows up for the tournament. I'm assuming it will be streamed. Here's hoping for QXC and Nony!
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This is awesome! Can't wait to see IdrA represent CJ Entus in MLG. Hopefully! :o
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would love to see International names come over and dominate!
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alright, it's time for the big money teams that have popped up over the last year or so to step up and send some of their players
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On July 31 2010 10:09 Grettin wrote:
This is awesome! Can't wait to see IdrA represent CJ Entus in MLG. Hopefully! :o
id love to but its not really worth flying to the us to compete with 1 good player and the 30 randoms who got into the que first
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Really interested to hear how this turns out. I wish I could be there to see it.
Obviously you guys have a lot of experience with these live tournaments so you know how to predict turnout and participation. A $60 entry fee for a $5k tournament that is only 32 slots, all open reg, for a game that is as popular as SC2 makes no sense to me at all. In a completely positive and intrigued way, I am fascinated that that you have the field so small, the entry fee so low, and the payout so big. I would expect at least a blind auction in advance for the slots or something... my mind is blown by how this appears to work and wondering how the numbers will scale up as SC2 grows in popularity.
Quite excited for this, anything that boosts SC2 as an ESPORT is a good thing.
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How do you plan on making it a LAN event?
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On July 31 2010 07:02 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 06:39 blabber wrote:
there seem to be absolutely no MLG events that are anywhere near the west coast... Except Las Vegas (the championship) San Diego, and toronto?????
Excellent knowledge of Canadian geography!
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MLG explosion in here. Good to see! Hope to see some invite events rather than pure open registration (maybe open reg to select tiers of players).
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On July 31 2010 10:48 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 10:09 Grettin wrote:
This is awesome! Can't wait to see IdrA represent CJ Entus in MLG. Hopefully! :o id love to but its not really worth flying to the us to compete with 1 good player and the 30 randoms who got into the que first
Ofcourse.
What's 5000$ these days to a progamer.
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on topic - MLG never has failed to impress me with their great organization, streams and whatnot.
Thanks MLG Hope to see some reps / vods / streams.
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On July 31 2010 10:48 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 10:09 Grettin wrote:
This is awesome! Can't wait to see IdrA represent CJ Entus in MLG. Hopefully! :o id love to but its not really worth flying to the us to compete with 1 good player and the 30 randoms who got into the que first
You got a point, but if the prize pool is good, would be easy money for you if that is so. 8)
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Ok glad that SC2 will be given the attention it deserves, mlg is mostly about console games, it should shine a light on this game to console gamers oblivious to Starcraft
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OOoo this is exciting news..I hope they come to Texas :D.
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Im glad to see MLG apply its style to SC2. I think the starcraft community is too used to sitting at home watching some random invitational, which is fine but I also think open live events are awesome.
People complaining about good players not getting a pass should first show MLG that 36 is too low and that they should have a bigger bracket (by making those passes sell out).
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On July 31 2010 09:35 JoshSuth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 09:27 MLG.Shrew wrote:On July 31 2010 09:19 MLG_Adam wrote:'I'm made of time' Great line. Send me an audition tape (email above). I'll make sure the wimps....err guys in the video department see it (sorry a little bit of Operations vs. Content rivalry ) That being said, if anyone would like to apply for the MLGPro.com SC2 (written) Content and Coverage team, send me an email. Be sure to include your contact info, a brief summation of your history with StarCraft and why you'd like to be a part of the team. Any relevant writing expierience is a plus. I run all the online content for PC titles on the MLG Pro Circuit and definitely want to put genuine enthusiasm to good use Email: nbee@mlgpro.com Video audition guy, be sure to use small words when you email Adam. Well I already love you guys for even replying to this, so I know what I'll be doing tomorrow: resume revisions and an audition reel. I'll send all of it to both of you.
Will we get to see your epic curly 'fro on the live MLG stream if you make it? :O :O :O :O :O
On July 31 2010 11:32 Megalisk wrote:
OOoo this is exciting news..I hope they come to Texas :D.
They seem to go to Dallas every year
Anyways, my thoughts, great thing but I think it needs to be expanded, MLG is a 3 day event so this tournament could easily be a 256 person tournament, or if you are going to do 64, 32, people, start up an online qualifier system, where the final 8 or 16 people from 4 different qualifiers get to privilege of signing up to go to the event.
PS: Guys realize its 5k prize POOL, which usually is awarded to the top 8 people. In fact all their events pay the top 8, so when you're trying to convince idra to join in, he'll probably lose money by flying to the EAST coast of the usa, even if he gets 1st place lol
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On July 31 2010 10:48 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 10:09 Grettin wrote:
This is awesome! Can't wait to see IdrA represent CJ Entus in MLG. Hopefully! :o id love to but its not really worth flying to the us to compete with 1 good player and the 30 randoms who got into the que first
Well then the $5000 prize pool is just easy money isn't it? I bet that the first place prize would more than cover the cost of the trips.
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come to sunny valley, oregon
seriously i heard there's like a million serious sc2 players here
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^ no.
Top 8 get paid, if its as stated "over 5k prize pool" i'm guessing it'll go something like
2500
1500
1000
700
500
350
250
200
somewhere in that sense, because they always pay top 8 people, so the first place prize is about the price of a round trip ticket from south korea.
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On July 31 2010 08:24 jalstar wrote:
What do people mean by qualifiers? This IS a qualifier, the final 32 or whatever will go to Las Vegas for the championship. Do people really want qualifiers for the qualifiers?
This.
I'm going to play in it (or at least try to) since I live here in Raleigh. I'm by no means one of the top players who everyone has heard of but that doesn't mean I can't play.
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Whoo Raleigh! I'll be there!
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To any MLG representative, can I ask what is the reason for a bracket of only 32 players? A bracket this size is only going to prevent good players from participating considering there are many more than 32 names that could compete for a top spot. I just don't understand why this tournament would be limited to 32 players on a first come first serve basis.
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On July 31 2010 11:32 Megalisk wrote:
OOoo this is exciting news..I hope they come to Texas :D.
They're coming to Dallas for the finals, November 5-7.
I'm from TX too, maybe I'll seeya there!
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On July 31 2010 12:29 kx.agent wrote:
To any MLG representative, can I ask what is the reason for a bracket of only 32 players? A bracket this size is only going to prevent good players from participating considering there are many more than 32 names that could compete for a top spot. I just don't understand why this tournament would be limited to 32 players on a first come first serve basis.
That's the real killer, Bunch of noobs thinking they are MLG pros.
I wish MLG would expand to Canada ..
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On July 31 2010 12:35 NuKedUFirst wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 12:29 kx.agent wrote:
To any MLG representative, can I ask what is the reason for a bracket of only 32 players? A bracket this size is only going to prevent good players from participating considering there are many more than 32 names that could compete for a top spot. I just don't understand why this tournament would be limited to 32 players on a first come first serve basis.
That's the real killer, Bunch of noobs thinking they are MLG pros. I wish MLG would expand to Canada ..
I honestly doubt they will keep the 'best players' from playing, no worries! And MLG came to Toronto in 2008 :D
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Oh and guys, read through this. Some MLG reps posted in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326193
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This is really awesome. I will be practicing my heart out for when MLG comes around to Orlando again!
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PS: Guys realize its 5k prize POOL, which usually is awarded to the top 8 people. In fact all their events pay the top 8, so when you're trying to convince idra to join in, he'll probably lose money by flying to the EAST coast of the usa, even if he gets 1st place lol
Actually, since Idra is sponsored by CJ Entus they would most likely pay his way to play in this tournament if I'm not mistaken.
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I understand them wanting to be able to charge a lot of money and have open registration but they should have at least 16 invite slots for the tournament that have automatic entrance and reduced cost.
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On July 31 2010 13:12 anoobis wrote:
I understand them wanting to be able to charge a lot of money and have open registration but they should have at least 16 invite slots for the tournament that have automatic entrance and reduced cost.
That would be great, but this is just not how MLG operates. Please realize this event has been planned for other games (Halo, Tekken, WoW) for quite some time (and been successful) and that Starcraft has just been announced to join the Pro Circuit. Certainly with growth things will change and how they go about operating things will be different as well.
As people have posted before.. Look at this as a sort of test run to see if it is a worthy business decision on MLG's behalf to take in Starcraft
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On July 31 2010 12:59 Bigpon86 wrote:Show nested quote +
PS: Guys realize its 5k prize POOL, which usually is awarded to the top 8 people. In fact all their events pay the top 8, so when you're trying to convince idra to join in, he'll probably lose money by flying to the EAST coast of the usa, even if he gets 1st place lol
Actually, since Idra is sponsored by CJ Entus they would most likely pay his way to play in this tournament if I'm not mistaken.
CJ is also not stupid and won't represent him on a losing investment evne if he wins.
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The more tournaments we have, and the more people we have that sign up for the tournaments, will directly influence the amount of people we accommodate at future tournaments. Show us how bad you want the extra slots for Raleigh and buy them out in 30 minutes, then we might have some more news.
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On July 31 2010 14:34 itmeJP wrote:
The more tournaments we have, and the more people we have that sign up for the tournaments, will directly influence the amount of people we accommodate at future tournaments. Show us how bad you want the extra slots for Raleigh and buy them out in 30 minutes, then we might have some more news.
After seeing the initial response and level of enthusiasm for this tournament I wouldn't say that 5 minutes is impossible. With the official partnership between Blizzard and MLG just recently announced, suffice it to say that more than a few decision makers will be watching the numbers when registration opens.
Nothing would be more awesome than to just flat out stun them with the response. MLG is an organization that is receptive to all feedback and criticism, this is only the beginning
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On July 31 2010 08:32 iEchoic wrote:
MLG is well-known on the gamebattles and MLG communities for not paying out money they owe. I made over $1000 in a series of tournaments for a different RTS and I didn't get my money until after I contacted the BBB, the NY AG and the FTC. Even then it took 8 months when I was told 30-90 days. I have a friend who is owed over $1000 for CoD4 that never got his money.
Take MLG's participation with SC2 with a grain of salt. They are not a reputable company.
Bullshit dude. Anyone who says that is a complete liar and sundance himself said show them how they owe money and they'll pay you back with evidence. Also what do you mean well-known the only people who think that are people on SRK because of EVO 2005
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I applaud your efforts to get sc2 recognized more, but i see most games being like TLOwnage.
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On July 31 2010 15:19 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:32 iEchoic wrote:
MLG is well-known on the gamebattles and MLG communities for not paying out money they owe. I made over $1000 in a series of tournaments for a different RTS and I didn't get my money until after I contacted the BBB, the NY AG and the FTC. Even then it took 8 months when I was told 30-90 days. I have a friend who is owed over $1000 for CoD4 that never got his money.
Take MLG's participation with SC2 with a grain of salt. They are not a reputable company. Bullshit dude. Anyone who says that is a complete liar and sundance himself said show them how they owe money and they'll pay you back with evidence. Also what do you mean well-known the only people who think that are people on SRK because of EVO 2005
Uh, you're talking out of your ass. I've been a member of GB (owned by MLG) since 2003 and have over 3k posts on the boards there. It is literally community consensus that MLG isn't ethical when it comes to their tournaments. I've experienced it first-hand and have 7 years of experience with the community I'm speaking about. How many times have you been owed over $1000 by MLG? Please share your personal experiences.
Go post what you just said on the GB forums and EVERYONE will laugh at you. Make the thread and link me, I'm waiting.
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So what is MLG? Wiki says strictly US league. And seems to be mainly FPS-oriented. Hm. Congrats, I guess. edit: Oh, I see that it's going to be for US SC2 scene something like OSL and MSL in Korea. That's quite nice. It would increase the quality of the whole NA server and international events, as US top players cap will get higher. I wish it was not US restricted though.
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On July 31 2010 16:11 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 15:19 OHtRUe wrote:On July 31 2010 08:32 iEchoic wrote:
MLG is well-known on the gamebattles and MLG communities for not paying out money they owe. I made over $1000 in a series of tournaments for a different RTS and I didn't get my money until after I contacted the BBB, the NY AG and the FTC. Even then it took 8 months when I was told 30-90 days. I have a friend who is owed over $1000 for CoD4 that never got his money.
Take MLG's participation with SC2 with a grain of salt. They are not a reputable company. Bullshit dude. Anyone who says that is a complete liar and sundance himself said show them how they owe money and they'll pay you back with evidence. Also what do you mean well-known the only people who think that are people on SRK because of EVO 2005 Uh, you're talking out of your ass. I've been a member of GB (owned by MLG) since 2003 and have over 3k posts on the boards there. It is literally community consensus that MLG isn't ethical when it comes to their tournaments. I've experienced it first-hand and have 7 years of experience with the community I'm speaking about. How many times have you been owed over $1000 by MLG? Please share your personal experiences. Go post what you just said on the GB forums and EVERYONE will laugh at you. Make the thread and link me, I'm waiting.
You're being a tad ridiculous. I asked you to email me so we can get your complaint resolved, but I have yet to receive anything from you. I would think you would be more worried about money you are owed than complaining on a forum about it.
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I posted this on the MLG forums in reference to the 32 passes:
"This is our FIRST ever event for this title. Halo has been on the circuit for 7 years. Let's sell 32 passes first and then go from there. We all want this to be huge (emphasize ALL), but we need to build in steps. I would love to put down a flag that says 'HUGE' every time we pick up a title and know for a fact that given a specific formula of (bracket size, prize pot, # of stations=success). Sadly, it does not work like that.
Give us time. We want to build this right."
Step #1, sell out 32 passes. Then we can assess. Right now we're all running on speculation.
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Right. MLG knows what they are doing. Everyone else might want to rush into it, but this is a league which has thrived in the US for quite some time so give them some credit when it comes to their decision making. You can bet that the first MSL or OSL was not run as it is today. Give it some time and you can expect big things out of them
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Sounds like some good shit. Be funny if MLG tries to short some SC players and TL rages. I could see them losing credibility really really fast.
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* Passes are $60 per player
what
is that usual for MLG tournaments?
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Yay !! So cool to see starcraft ll all over the place, and its great that all these very talented stacraft players finally get a chance to win some money and participate in alot of major tournys. I look foward to seeing more MLG broadcasts  . However I now demand you change your logo to include a mouse&keyboard
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so
MLG = US
ESL = EU?
Korea = lol just Korea
\m/ awesome to the max, thanks JP, Adam, Sundance and all the others
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SC2 will be as big as WE make it. Sell out 32. If the demand is there, similar to the Halo series, then we'll build.
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I think people need to calm down a bit. It's the first major US SC2 Lan and MLG is testing the waters a bit. It's understandable that this isn't the be all end all of SC2 tournaments.
I'm sure it'll go well, or at least better than messy WCG qualifiers.
On July 31 2010 18:02 MLG_Adam wrote:
SC2 will be as big as WE make it. Sell out 32. If the demand is there, similar to the Halo series, then we'll build.
Now that, I think, is a bit arrogant.
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It is not arrogant, it is honest. We can only make SC2 as big as the community wants it to be. If the demand and interest is there, we'll scale up accordingly. Right now it is relatively new ground for us.
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On July 31 2010 18:09 MLG_Adam wrote:
It is not arrogant, it is honest. We can only make SC2 as big as the community wants it to be. If the demand and interest is there, we'll scale up accordingly. Right now it is relatively new ground for us.
Ah, I misunderstood your wording then. Yeah, I understand what you guys are doing with the first LAN and I think it's a good idea. It just sounded like you meant SC2 ESPORTS (as a whole) will be as big as MLG makes it.
Anyways, good luck with the tourney. I hope it goes really well. I'll be watching.
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On July 31 2010 17:46 InToTheWannaB wrote:However I now demand you change your logo to include a mouse&keyboard
Adam, new priority #1
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Ah I gotcha. I meant 'WE' as the community + MLG. If you guys want SC2 to be a gigantic title, well we are in the business of putting on tournaments that the community wants. If you want it we'll build it (and vice versa in the Field of Dreams sense )
To address the question before it is asked...I fell asleep at 9PM EST and woke up randomly at 3AM, so here I am.
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On July 31 2010 09:19 gerundium wrote:
LOL at entire MLG staff jumping on the bad press. Great move by MLG, i've been a long time MLG follower and the events are always well setup and run great (at least what you can see on the live streams.) I hope we get to see the best players though, it would be a shame if it ends up with a bunch of randoms where you can see that players like IdrA would steamroll them (although i do not expect IdrA to come to america for 5k 3-ways, he might in the future.)
[QUOTE=Deimos]Yes, it will be first come, first serve. So make sure you are online when the passes go on sale to purchase it right away.
Also, as for the 32 cap, Clap has already said, that if it fills up quickly, MLG will take a look and see whether its possible to raise the cap.
read this on TL btw[/QUOTE]
He definitely said he wants to go to MLG events to compete in his interviews.
I stand correct by the man himself ;D
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Lol what, I thought this was a joke? The format is terrible. Please make it at least have qualifiers or be an invitational, something like that doesn't work. And if you make it open, have like 256 slots, not 32.
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Skiyo. I have addressed this many times in this thread. Sell out 32 and then we'll assess.
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I think most of us saw this coming
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I think its a good start. Won't change the scene but will hopefully raise SC2's profile. I live in Raleigh so I might try to enter... I'm only a low diamond player but I think it would be fun for kicks and giggles.
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I'd like to congratulate HuK for winning this MLG Starcraft 2 Tournament. ^_^
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On July 31 2010 18:56 MLG_Adam wrote:
Skiyo. I have addressed this many times in this thread. Sell out 32 and then we'll assess.
How many has sold so far?
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On July 31 2010 19:13 YourMom wrote:
I'd like to congratulate HuK for winning this MLG Starcraft 2 Tournament. ^_^
wut?
On July 31 2010 19:29 Merikh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 18:56 MLG_Adam wrote:
Skiyo. I have addressed this many times in this thread. Sell out 32 and then we'll assess. How many has sold so far?
sale starts august 2
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It would be a lot better if they followed ESL's tournament structure tbh.
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On July 31 2010 16:58 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 16:11 iEchoic wrote:On July 31 2010 15:19 OHtRUe wrote:On July 31 2010 08:32 iEchoic wrote:
MLG is well-known on the gamebattles and MLG communities for not paying out money they owe. I made over $1000 in a series of tournaments for a different RTS and I didn't get my money until after I contacted the BBB, the NY AG and the FTC. Even then it took 8 months when I was told 30-90 days. I have a friend who is owed over $1000 for CoD4 that never got his money.
Take MLG's participation with SC2 with a grain of salt. They are not a reputable company. Bullshit dude. Anyone who says that is a complete liar and sundance himself said show them how they owe money and they'll pay you back with evidence. Also what do you mean well-known the only people who think that are people on SRK because of EVO 2005 Uh, you're talking out of your ass. I've been a member of GB (owned by MLG) since 2003 and have over 3k posts on the boards there. It is literally community consensus that MLG isn't ethical when it comes to their tournaments. I've experienced it first-hand and have 7 years of experience with the community I'm speaking about. How many times have you been owed over $1000 by MLG? Please share your personal experiences. Go post what you just said on the GB forums and EVERYONE will laugh at you. Make the thread and link me, I'm waiting. You're being a tad ridiculous. I asked you to email me so we can get your complaint resolved, but I have yet to receive anything from you. I would think you would be more worried about money you are owed than complaining on a forum about it.
I appreciate your effort, but as I said my complaint was resolved some months ago after contacting outside organizations for help (about 6-8 months after I won), which is why I'm not emailing you. I'm only posting this in hopes that bad PR changes MLG's approach to prize claims as well as saves other people the headache I went through. I just didn't like that guy telling me I was a liar, so that was a direct response to him, not you.
That said, there are a lot of people excited for this, so hopefully some good can come of it. Feel free to carry on with discussion of the actual event.
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its cool to see mlg on tl and stuff
ionno it seems wierd that MGL still has to test the waters with SC2 when its already got a huge response from the king of the beta hill series and knowing the entire sc2 scene is exploding
oh well
its a start nonetheless
welcome to tl guys
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Sick news JP, doesn't this make SC2 the fastest game to be added to the MLG Circuit?
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On July 31 2010 19:55 Platypus wrote:
Sick news JP, doesn't this make SC2 the fastest game to be added to the MLG Circuit?
probably not because reach has already been announced (the new halo game), and it's not even out yet. This is probably because MLG staff have apparently been to Bungie studios to check the game out. As well as a beta some months ago.
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I've been following MLG since early 2005, mostly for Halo. Even had the VOD pass that used to cost money back then. ^^
I think this format is not ideal for a game like Starcraft, but it can work. This format is perfect for Halo because in my 6 years of following the competitive Halo scene, there has never been 32 teams that could possibly challenge for 1st place. As mentioned, StK/3D/FB have always dominated and there's only a handful of teams who ever beat them. So all the teams who had a chance of winning always got a pass in the end.
Starcraft is a little more...hardcore than Halo, so there are 100s of players who could win this MLG event, 32 is certainly not enough to give everyone a chance. I can see why MLG is limiting it to 32, they probably don't have any idea how competitive the highest level of SC2 is right now - there certainly needs to be more slots to accommodate a feasible number of people. So they'll have to tweak their system for it to work with Starcraft, but knowing MLG, I'm sure they will.
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so is this going to be the proleague that blizzard was talking about? or will that be a awhole seperate thing?
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I think it would benefit the thread if JP put some of the relevant MLG staff responses in the OP. That way less people come in here without appropriate context.
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hillarious that people don't read the thread and jump to conclusion with the whole "OMG 32?!!?", just make it sell out in 5 min, then everything will work out
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Yay... I'm starting to like MLG now.
On July 31 2010 07:03 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 06:56 blabber wrote:On July 31 2010 06:52 JiYan wrote:
60$ buyin o.o and it's in NORTH CAROLINA, how random How is 60$ buyin unreasonable? Also North Carolina and Virginia area has a huge scene and again theres 6 event in a TOUR. What do you expect. This is a big LAN tournament
What? LAN? In SC2? What a preposterous idea.
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Great news. MLG commands a lot of respect for its LAN tournaments and I'm sure they'll do a great job with SC2. Now I just hope some good players make it through the open registration haha.
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starcraft2 + MLG = <3
hope to see some wonderful things come from this!!
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Okay so do you have to be THERE to spectate or can I just pay the 25 bucks and watch from home?
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This is going to be bad if we have low level diamond players signing up for giggles. Leave the spots for top players so that the games will be exciting and not one sided or passive. If you do suck and sign up for fun, at least try to nuke someone to make us laugh. That's assuming it will all be viewed and not behind the scenes qualifiers I mean.
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On August 01 2010 00:28 Mayerling wrote:
Okay so do you have to be THERE to spectate or can I just pay the 25 bucks and watch from home?
i believe its a stream on the MLG site, and you have to pay to enter the venue and watch it live.
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do we have to pay to signup or at the door or what?
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The online coverage usually has 3 sections, the Halo 3 section (main coverage), then Tekken 6, and SSBB. Maybe they'll add another section for SC2 online to watch but I doubt they'll do it on the first event, since they just want to test run this all.
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On August 01 2010 01:07 HuK wrote:
do we have to pay to signup or at the door or what?
I think when you go online on August 2nd to register, you enter your CC info and buy a 'pass.' That's how they register you, as far as I can guess.
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On August 01 2010 01:07 HuK wrote:
do we have to pay to signup or at the door or what?
At 7pm on August 3rd you login to MLGpro.com and then you buy a pass. The passes are sold at the "MLG Store" but, the link to that will be on the main page towards the right. Have your credit card info ready because the passes will sell out quickly.
Then the Friday of the event you check in at the venue in the afternoon and you can compete.
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Well it ensures that only serious players will sign up, so i guess sign-up money will be fine for sponsored players!! I hope this event goes well and i hope there will be live-streams!!!
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On August 01 2010 02:28 GGzerG wrote:
passes 60$ a player? bs
I dont mind that, but 25$ to watch these games is too much. But what you can do.
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On August 01 2010 02:44 Grettin wrote:I dont mind that, but 25$ to watch these games is too much. But what you can do.
Keep in mind.. This is if you ATTEND the event. It is a 3 day ordeal that you get to spectate live for $25. There are a lot of cool booths, multiple tournaments, and other sorts of things going on all at the same time. MLG also streams their events online as well for those unfortunate enough not to make it (though I'm not sure if they have confirmed a stream for Stracraft yet or what).
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On August 01 2010 02:49 NasD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 02:44 Grettin wrote:On August 01 2010 02:28 GGzerG wrote:
passes 60$ a player? bs I dont mind that, but 25$ to watch these games is too much. But what you can do. Keep in mind.. This is if you ATTEND the event. It is a 3 day ordeal that you get to spectate live for $25. There are a lot of cool booths, multiple tournaments, and other sorts of things going on all at the same time. MLG also streams their events online as well for those unfortunate enough not to make it (though I'm not sure if they have confirmed a stream for Stracraft yet or what).
afaik, the stream costs 20-25$ to watch it in _decent_ quality. Since im from Europe, i cant attend the event.
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On August 01 2010 00:39 Rah wrote:
This is going to be bad if we have low level diamond players signing up for giggles. Leave the spots for top players so that the games will be exciting and not one sided or passive. If you do suck and sign up for fun, at least try to nuke someone to make us laugh. That's assuming it will all be viewed and not behind the scenes qualifiers I mean.
This is a qualifier. -_-
It's not like all of the guys you saw in KotB are gonna fly out to north carolina and play in this. It's not THAT big.
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- Open Registration making for terrible players or cash hoarders making the trip.
- 32 slots? Really? That's absurdly low.
- Who is casting?
- Double elimination? What's their format for this? (3-3-3-5-7? or 1-1-1-1-1)
MLG was so pumped to make this announcement, and they made it, and if it were any more vaguely announced I would have to assume most of the people there don't even know what Starcraft is.
See you in Meadowlands..
Edit: I already know it's just a qualifier, but still it seems kind of underwhelming.
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If you had bothered to read the thread you would know that they are just testing the waters and if the passes get sold out very quickly they will probably bump up the player count.
Also, future events will be larger.
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On August 01 2010 02:51 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 02:49 NasD wrote:On August 01 2010 02:44 Grettin wrote:On August 01 2010 02:28 GGzerG wrote:
passes 60$ a player? bs I dont mind that, but 25$ to watch these games is too much. But what you can do. Keep in mind.. This is if you ATTEND the event. It is a 3 day ordeal that you get to spectate live for $25. There are a lot of cool booths, multiple tournaments, and other sorts of things going on all at the same time. MLG also streams their events online as well for those unfortunate enough not to make it (though I'm not sure if they have confirmed a stream for Stracraft yet or what). afaik, the stream costs 20-25$ to watch it in _decent_ quality. Since im from Europe, i cant attend the event.
The additional cost is for watching the stream in HD, yes.
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pretty sure it's like 10 bucks for HD and free for standard def
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Yes, as i said _decent_ quality. But if it is 10 bucks, then it's reasonable.
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i call 2 min for every 32 pass to be sold out !
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the standard quality, in my experience, is fine, at least for Halo. However, I don't even know if they'll be streaming starcraft this event on such short notice, or if the potential starcraft stream will be available in HD.
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Open reg makes no fucking sense whatsoever
especially since you guys were running an invite only "king of the beta" series
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On August 01 2010 04:20 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Open reg makes no fucking sense whatsoever
especially since you guys were running an invite only "king of the beta" series
To be fair an invitational on the internet is a lot different than an invitational in person, though. But I still think there should be some sort of criteria.
It'll be okay though, remember when ICCUP TV League started?
"Nexus Can't Lift" 'nuff said.
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On August 01 2010 04:27 Joey.rumz wrote:
It'll be okay though, remember when ICCUP TV League started?
"Nexus Can't Lift" 'nuff said.
Hahaha, god that was so hillarious, i feel sorry for that dude
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how ridiculous can some people honestly be? How can you seriously expect an INVITE tournament for a QUALIFIER to the nationals. For a game that will be 1 WEEK OLD when the registration starts.
You make sc2 sound like its already an established scene.
32 too small?? Prove it by selling out. Think your royal butt is worthy of a ticket to the nationals? Prove it by kicking buttt. Its not like you wont find new talent. Afaik huk was not a superstar in bw but hes big now?
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I'll never forgive MLG for taking over gotfrag and turning it to complete crap. At least starcraft 2 is getting a lot of exposure.
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MLG should leave the qualifiers to TL.
This community can pull a lot :-D
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^ MLG will not do online qualifiers because that beats the point of having the players go to the event and play there. "O I don't stand a chance online, I sure in hell ain't paying to go to no event and wasting my money". If you want to play, you have to go. They do the same for Tekken, Halo and Brawl. WoW is different because the scene is rather unstable, not a lot of top teams and it varies with patch.
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On August 01 2010 05:20 Sharkas wrote:
MLG should leave the qualifiers to TL.
This community can pull a lot :-D
TL can do their own events.
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I've noticed with the spectator stream that the halo and gears of war live streams were all free and great quality. For world of warcraft, you were given a low quality free live stream and an option to pay 10 dollars for the whole weekend and receive a special high definition live stream that included a rewind feature. Not sure what MLG will do with sc2.
Also, there are like 5-6 events during each season and raleigh is just one of the events. I'm pretty sure it's the players with the best scores over all the events that will qualify for the national championship. You can't just show up to raleigh, dominate, and then never go to another event and hope to qualify for the end game.
I think that's how it works, not exactly sure.
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WOW they want to charge you to watch? Its FREE in korea, The home of SC progaming ;/
I really don't think they should be charging to watch.
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^ Yup. You accumulate a certain amount of points based on your standing throughout all the events you go and I'm not sure but I think top8 or top16 goes to the national championship at the end of the season.
And the HD stream is optional and for all the streamed games.
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On July 31 2010 21:18 scottyyy wrote:
I've been following MLG since early 2005, mostly for Halo. Even had the VOD pass that used to cost money back then. ^^
I think this format is not ideal for a game like Starcraft, but it can work. This format is perfect for Halo because in my 6 years of following the competitive Halo scene, there has never been 32 teams that could possibly challenge for 1st place. As mentioned, StK/3D/FB have always dominated and there's only a handful of teams who ever beat them. So all the teams who had a chance of winning always got a pass in the end.
Starcraft is a little more...hardcore than Halo, so there are 100s of players who could win this MLG event, 32 is certainly not enough to give everyone a chance. I can see why MLG is limiting it to 32, they probably don't have any idea how competitive the highest level of SC2 is right now - there certainly needs to be more slots to accommodate a feasible number of people. So they'll have to tweak their system for it to work with Starcraft, but knowing MLG, I'm sure they will.
But if the spots are first come first serve open registration and all... wouldn't that just mean a few good players get propped up by stomping random noobs all day?
Because apparently there are some players who go undefeated. Sounds extremely one sided. Utter dominance? Or roflstomping?
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On August 01 2010 05:56 ReachTheSky wrote:
WOW they want to charge you to watch? Its FREE in korea, The home of SC progaming ;/
I really don't think they should be charging to watch.
They charge you 20$ for an HD stream. Its free for a regular standard 480p stream. Guys if your gonna post please atleast look at there website a bit. It's not hard to understand.....
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On August 01 2010 02:44 Grettin wrote:I dont mind that, but 25$ to watch these games is too much. But what you can do.
People pay much more to watch a basketball game. How badly does the community want this? Speak with your wallets.
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On August 01 2010 05:56 ReachTheSky wrote:
WOW they want to charge you to watch? Its FREE in korea, The home of SC progaming ;/
I really don't think they should be charging to watch.
Someone answered this above, but also remember that we're not a COUNTRY that is running esports as a national past time. We are a very small company that started out with 2 knuckle heads in a NYC apartment that liked to play each other in Madden and Halo 1.
With that being said, yes we have a free non HD stream.
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Also, the HD upgrade is $10, not $20 or $25.
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Spectator passes for the live event ARE $25. That gets you into the event for 3 days. What do you get as a spectator? We have give aways in all of our sponsor booths, free play opportunities in the console sections, spectator arcades with prizes, free Dr. Pepper & Hot Pockets (), and of course scheduled live competition across multiple titles (Halo 3, WoW, SC2, Tekken, Smash).
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On July 31 2010 22:45 Parsistamon wrote:
I think it would benefit the thread if JP put some of the relevant MLG staff responses in the OP. That way less people come in here without appropriate context.
Good idea! Done.
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On August 01 2010 06:16 MLG_Adam wrote:
Also, the HD upgrade is $10, not $20 or $25.
This is awesome news. Do you have any idea who is going to cast these games? or is it still a secret? 8)
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Adam, having fun playing Q&A?
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haha JP, story of my life
Grettin: expect information to be rolled out over the next couple of weeks.
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Thanks for all the info Adam, tell Sundance to give you a $500 bonus this week People complaining about paying for an HD stream are stupid, Korea doesn't provide a free HD stream, first of all you pay for the cable or internet TV service and second they have tons of ads they play every 15 minutes. Don't you hate how when you're watching proleague you have to wait like 15 minutes between each game just watching ads? That's exactly why you're not paying for it... It costs quite a bit of money to do HD streams, just look at how much money Youtube loses every year. And the $25 to spectate at the event is completely understandable, you have to pay to get into WCG as well, it's worth $25 to see live promatches + all the other stuff to do there.
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This is SO COOL. My friend told me that MLG was starting an SC2 thing, but I had no idea it was starting in Raleigh (my hometown)!
I'd totally enter if I though i was any good. I'll be more than happy to go spectate though! Good luck to everyone thinking of entering!
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On August 01 2010 08:19 aike wrote:It costs quite a bit of money to do HD streams, just look at how much money Youtube loses every year.
Are you on crack or do you just like to make stuff up for the fun of it?
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for the open registration problem for not finding talent, why not just handpick from 100 people who sign up based on their battle.net ranking? IE the Diamond 700's will go first, all the way down to low diamond. That way while they may not be PRO players, they are certainly talented ones. Announcing this one month in advance also gives people plenty of time to grind the ladder if they really want to get in,
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Awesome! But fuck only 32 players?
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On August 01 2010 09:57 t3tsubo wrote:
for the open registration problem for not finding talent, why not just handpick from 100 people who sign up based on their battle.net ranking? IE the Diamond 700's will go first, all the way down to low diamond. That way while they may not be PRO players, they are certainly talented ones. Announcing this one month in advance also gives people plenty of time to grind the ladder if they really want to get in,
it would be stupid to look at ladder rankings when the game has only been out for a week, it needs time for everyone to settle in
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I see a bunch of posts complaining about registration. I think open registration is fair. If you have an online qualifier then you always end up with people that can't make it for some reason eg parents won't allow it, they can't afford flight plus accommodation, they are in hospital, dog or cat caught on fire etc. It's a huge hassle having to replace people with a weeks notice (I know I wouldn't want to be in that position) on top of having to host a big qualifier over a weekend.
32 players is good considering there aren't many established teams here and the game is new so you can't do a season format. So that pretty much cancels out any team play or individual season since the game got released late july. 32 players will provide enough entertainment over the course of a few days.
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On August 01 2010 11:56 Backpack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 09:57 t3tsubo wrote:
for the open registration problem for not finding talent, why not just handpick from 100 people who sign up based on their battle.net ranking? IE the Diamond 700's will go first, all the way down to low diamond. That way while they may not be PRO players, they are certainly talented ones. Announcing this one month in advance also gives people plenty of time to grind the ladder if they really want to get in, it would be stupid to look at ladder rankings when the game has only been out for a week, it needs time for everyone to settle in
Not only that, but certain players play very little ladder, like Machine, or experiment and test limits a lot in ladder, like Morrow.
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OOOO doctor pepper/hot pckets now it seems viable
Definitely one of the main reasons to attend an MLG, lol. Unlimited hotpockets.
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Do the players also receive refreshing beverages and delicious microwave snacks?
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The streams MLG runs for tournaments are fantastic with HD or without. When MLG and EA teamed for the Madden Challenge they started with 64 man bracket, by the end of the season they had a 256 man bracket. MLG will treat this correctly and this will get huge.
Going to a event worth it? Well not even speaking on the atomshpere you get when you walk in to the venue you get, Free Stride Gum/Stride shirts, Free Dr Pepper (every flavor), Free Hot Pockets and Hot Pockets gear, and a crapload more of sponsor activity's.
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On July 31 2010 07:02 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 06:39 blabber wrote:
there seem to be absolutely no MLG events that are anywhere near the west coast... Except Las Vegas (the championship) San Diego, and toronto?????
Toronto is on the east coast... LOL
Open Registration seems weird, because most of the pros wont actually go. But if its a trial run thats all good. (except the games, they will be bad)
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Pros: MLG Tournament.. yay!
Cons: It will probably be 32 Silver/Gold players competing.
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On August 02 2010 05:51 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 07:02 OHtRUe wrote:On July 31 2010 06:39 blabber wrote:
there seem to be absolutely no MLG events that are anywhere near the west coast... Except Las Vegas (the championship) San Diego, and toronto????? Toronto is on the east coast... LOL Open Registration seems weird, because most of the pros wont actually go. But if its a trial run thats all good. (except the games, they will be bad)
Well the pros are missing out on a nice prize pool considering the other tournaments don't pay as much if you place 3rd at MLG by not attending.
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Do you have practice computers available for use at all times to warm up for the event? :D
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Is MLG going to be pushing gamebattles participation? I'd like to see GB ladders active and then invitationals given based on those ladder rankings.
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OMFG YESSSS i am so proud and pysched to see this on mlg. op is right about them being kind to the community. they try their best to make it an awesome experience for the competitors and the viewers.
im also pysched to see this come through so finally my friends will see how not nooby sc is lol.
hope they do get intelligent commentators or hire husky or day9 lol.
this will be great. we are going to see all new strategies mixed with awesome battle graphics people are going to know more about sc :D
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So pumped, htfu and get to aus imo,
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On August 02 2010 13:47 HuK wrote:
pretty sure im coming
I guess i'll have to work on my PVP ^^
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On August 02 2010 13:47 HuK wrote:
pretty sure im coming
A good start
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I'm definitely coming. High level Diamond player able to hang with most of the big name players on NA server, so I expect to do pretty well. Been gaming competitively for about 6 years, lots of experience at least so if I can get my level of play up to snuff by the end of the month, hopefully everyone will have some nice games to watch at least. I'll try my best! Represent :D
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On August 02 2010 13:47 HuK wrote:
pretty sure im coming
sure as hell cant let you win it
guess i might have to go after all
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Just because you aren't going doesn't mean Huk is going to win -_-
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On August 02 2010 19:14 LF9 wrote:
Just because you aren't going doesn't mean Huk is going to win -_-
pretty sure he will
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potentially driving to this from FL with NerO.
depends on if anyone in my group gets a pass to enter the competition
guess we'll see after 7pm tonight
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On July 31 2010 08:59 Reborn8u wrote:
The Halo scene dwarfs starcraft in case your unaware. At least in the U.S. First place in vegas for halo is 100,000 usd. The Ogre twins (ogre 1 and ogre 2 who are twin brothers, only 1 of them still plays) and there former longtime teammate walshy have all earned well over half a million dollars each from the Halo series.(MLG signed them to a 3 year, 250,000$ each, deal a while back) They dominated the scene of halo1, and halo 2. In halo 3 they have maintained top 8 but they are not the halo bonjwa's they once were. One year they won every mlg event. The ogre twins never lost a game 2v2 in halo 1 EVER! They also won the wcg 2v2 in halo 2. The last mlg halo 2 event (before they switched over to halo3) they're team of 4 consisting of Ogre1, Ogre 2, walshy, and strongside won the vegas finals without losing a single game in any best of 5's or best of 7's. But I recently read a blog by one of the ogres that says he has approximately 50,000 dollars of unpaid winnings. But he doesn't specify which events and which leagues owe him. They're team was STK (Shoot To Kill) back in the halo 1 days. They've gone by Final Boss ever since.
So... basically you're bragging about two Halo players on a SC site, while saying Halo dwarfs SC.
You should probably be a bit more clear - I can guarantee that the Halo scene does not dwarf the StarCraft scene. Maybe the North American Halo scene, dwarfs the North American StarCraft scene, but SC2 literally just released, and it's going to take a little bit of time to grow. But trust me, if you think the SC scene is small in number... you just haven't met us yet.
I like that MLG is picking this up. A very good sign for the NA SC2 scene. Let's see how many people turn out to start, although I'm interested to see if more than 32 show up. I think $60 is gonna be a bit steep for anyone who's not sponsored by someone.
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On August 01 2010 09:17 JayDee_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 08:19 aike wrote:It costs quite a bit of money to do HD streams, just look at how much money Youtube loses every year. Are you on crack or do you just like to make stuff up for the fun of it?
Youtube doesn't make enough money and is losing money every year. Yes, streaming is very expensive.
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Really hope MLG hires some good commentators like husky/HD and/or Day 9.
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On August 02 2010 20:51 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:59 Reborn8u wrote:
The Halo scene dwarfs starcraft in case your unaware. At least in the U.S. First place in vegas for halo is 100,000 usd. The Ogre twins (ogre 1 and ogre 2 who are twin brothers, only 1 of them still plays) and there former longtime teammate walshy have all earned well over half a million dollars each from the Halo series.(MLG signed them to a 3 year, 250,000$ each, deal a while back) They dominated the scene of halo1, and halo 2. In halo 3 they have maintained top 8 but they are not the halo bonjwa's they once were. One year they won every mlg event. The ogre twins never lost a game 2v2 in halo 1 EVER! They also won the wcg 2v2 in halo 2. The last mlg halo 2 event (before they switched over to halo3) they're team of 4 consisting of Ogre1, Ogre 2, walshy, and strongside won the vegas finals without losing a single game in any best of 5's or best of 7's. But I recently read a blog by one of the ogres that says he has approximately 50,000 dollars of unpaid winnings. But he doesn't specify which events and which leagues owe him. They're team was STK (Shoot To Kill) back in the halo 1 days. They've gone by Final Boss ever since. So... basically you're bragging about two Halo players on a SC site, while saying Halo dwarfs SC. You should probably be a bit more clear - I can guarantee that the Halo scene does not dwarf the StarCraft scene. Maybe the North American Halo scene, dwarfs the North American StarCraft scene, but SC2 literally just released, and it's going to take a little bit of time to grow. But trust me, if you think the SC scene is small in number... you just haven't met us yet. I like that MLG is picking this up. A very good sign for the NA SC2 scene. Let's see how many people turn out to start, although I'm interested to see if more than 32 show up. I think $60 is gonna be a bit steep for anyone who's not sponsored by someone.
In america halo is still a bit bigger scene especially in the mlg circuit. one of the brothers had a million contract with red bull. all of teh players on the team (final boss) have their own house. halo payed quite good money and many companies are willing to sponsor for halo tourneys. i know cause i was about to by gamestop. i know others that were sponsored by even walmart lol.
sc, not in my knowledge, wasnt that big of a scene in NA. actually i feel that its ridiculed in a way . people label sc players as "losers" but praise fps players.... they have heard of sc but EVERYONE KNOWS halo. thats how it is.
but now with blizzard trying to actually market sc2 it could possibly fly.
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On August 02 2010 18:57 IdrA wrote:sure as hell cant let you win it guess i might have to go after all
i dont know what to do now IEM ESL group stages are exact same dates as this
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First post on TL.
I'm so, so happy about this! This is exactly what North America needs to really put SC2 on the map.
I really believe we're going to be witnessing history in the making.
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Im glad MLG picked up sc2 already
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On August 03 2010 01:08 heroyi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 20:51 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On July 31 2010 08:59 Reborn8u wrote:
The Halo scene dwarfs starcraft in case your unaware. At least in the U.S. First place in vegas for halo is 100,000 usd. The Ogre twins (ogre 1 and ogre 2 who are twin brothers, only 1 of them still plays) and there former longtime teammate walshy have all earned well over half a million dollars each from the Halo series.(MLG signed them to a 3 year, 250,000$ each, deal a while back) They dominated the scene of halo1, and halo 2. In halo 3 they have maintained top 8 but they are not the halo bonjwa's they once were. One year they won every mlg event. The ogre twins never lost a game 2v2 in halo 1 EVER! They also won the wcg 2v2 in halo 2. The last mlg halo 2 event (before they switched over to halo3) they're team of 4 consisting of Ogre1, Ogre 2, walshy, and strongside won the vegas finals without losing a single game in any best of 5's or best of 7's. But I recently read a blog by one of the ogres that says he has approximately 50,000 dollars of unpaid winnings. But he doesn't specify which events and which leagues owe him. They're team was STK (Shoot To Kill) back in the halo 1 days. They've gone by Final Boss ever since. So... basically you're bragging about two Halo players on a SC site, while saying Halo dwarfs SC. You should probably be a bit more clear - I can guarantee that the Halo scene does not dwarf the StarCraft scene. Maybe the North American Halo scene, dwarfs the North American StarCraft scene, but SC2 literally just released, and it's going to take a little bit of time to grow. But trust me, if you think the SC scene is small in number... you just haven't met us yet. I like that MLG is picking this up. A very good sign for the NA SC2 scene. Let's see how many people turn out to start, although I'm interested to see if more than 32 show up. I think $60 is gonna be a bit steep for anyone who's not sponsored by someone. sc, not in my knowledge, wasnt that big of a scene in NA. actually i feel that its ridiculed in a way . people label sc players as "losers" but praise fps players.... they have heard of sc but EVERYONE KNOWS halo. thats how it is. but now with blizzard trying to actually market sc2 it could possibly fly.
This is indeed the mindset of the younger players out there imo.
I'm really glad MLG picked up SC2. I wish I got the tech channel that airs games sometimes so I could experience the little bit of embrace happening in the US.
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On August 02 2010 20:51 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:59 Reborn8u wrote:
The Halo scene dwarfs starcraft in case your unaware. At least in the U.S. First place in vegas for halo is 100,000 usd. The Ogre twins (ogre 1 and ogre 2 who are twin brothers, only 1 of them still plays) and there former longtime teammate walshy have all earned well over half a million dollars each from the Halo series.(MLG signed them to a 3 year, 250,000$ each, deal a while back) They dominated the scene of halo1, and halo 2. In halo 3 they have maintained top 8 but they are not the halo bonjwa's they once were. One year they won every mlg event. The ogre twins never lost a game 2v2 in halo 1 EVER! They also won the wcg 2v2 in halo 2. The last mlg halo 2 event (before they switched over to halo3) they're team of 4 consisting of Ogre1, Ogre 2, walshy, and strongside won the vegas finals without losing a single game in any best of 5's or best of 7's. But I recently read a blog by one of the ogres that says he has approximately 50,000 dollars of unpaid winnings. But he doesn't specify which events and which leagues owe him. They're team was STK (Shoot To Kill) back in the halo 1 days. They've gone by Final Boss ever since. So... basically you're bragging about two Halo players on a SC site, while saying Halo dwarfs SC. You should probably be a bit more clear - I can guarantee that the Halo scene does not dwarf the StarCraft scene. Maybe the North American Halo scene, dwarfs the North American StarCraft scene, but SC2 literally just released, and it's going to take a little bit of time to grow. But trust me, if you think the SC scene is small in number... you just haven't met us yet. I like that MLG is picking this up. A very good sign for the NA SC2 scene. Let's see how many people turn out to start, although I'm interested to see if more than 32 show up. I think $60 is gonna be a bit steep for anyone who's not sponsored by someone.
Taken out of context. He was probably responding to the guy a few posts above him:
On July 31 2010 08:42 xBillehx wrote:
It kind of confuses me how much of the MLG community think Starcraft 2 can be as big as Halo: Reach. Am I just oblivious to the other gaming communities? I was under the impression that the Starcraft scene is much much bigger than Halo. ???
With that said, it's good to see MLG pick up Starcraft 2 and hopefully open up the doors to a competitive proleague in North America similar to that of Korea! Goodluck JP!
Halo is far bigger than SC2 at the moment whether we like it or not. Just reality.
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I'm not so sure that MLG is picking up SC2 as Blizzard is giving them Incentives to incorporate it(RTS games don't make money in NA) Regardless it's awesome that the biggest gaming association in the states is running something that isn't a fighting/shooter. Guess it's time to actually get back into 5 hours of gaming a night 0_0
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On August 03 2010 01:08 heroyi wrote:sc, not in my knowledge, wasnt that big of a scene in NA. actually i feel that its ridiculed in a way . people label sc players as "losers" but praise fps players.... they have heard of sc but EVERYONE KNOWS halo. thats how it is. but now with blizzard trying to actually market sc2 it could possibly fly.
The amount people play SC2 won't fly with the MLG audience. If you go over on the MLG boards and post that you play 8-12 hours a day (which a lot of people do), everyone is going to call you a nerd.
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you'd get called a nerd anywhere for any game if you announced you practiced 8-12 hours a day, because it's true
not many people are offended by being called a nerd these days
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On August 02 2010 21:02 Boonbag wrote:
Youtube doesn't make enough money and is losing money every year. Yes, streaming is very expensive.
YouTube fixed that problem in 2008 or 2009. Their bandwidth costs are next to nothing now. They've made deals with the major ISPs and have some genius engineers.
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On August 03 2010 04:17 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 01:08 heroyi wrote:sc, not in my knowledge, wasnt that big of a scene in NA. actually i feel that its ridiculed in a way . people label sc players as "losers" but praise fps players.... they have heard of sc but EVERYONE KNOWS halo. thats how it is. but now with blizzard trying to actually market sc2 it could possibly fly. The amount people play SC2 won't fly with the MLG audience. If you go over on the MLG boards and post that you play 8-12 hours a day (which a lot of people do), everyone is going to call you a nerd.
True. Halo pro's only practice like 4 hours a day. Semi pro's on the other hand practice like 8 hours haha.
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On August 03 2010 05:12 Endorsed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 04:17 iEchoic wrote:On August 03 2010 01:08 heroyi wrote:sc, not in my knowledge, wasnt that big of a scene in NA. actually i feel that its ridiculed in a way . people label sc players as "losers" but praise fps players.... they have heard of sc but EVERYONE KNOWS halo. thats how it is. but now with blizzard trying to actually market sc2 it could possibly fly. The amount people play SC2 won't fly with the MLG audience. If you go over on the MLG boards and post that you play 8-12 hours a day (which a lot of people do), everyone is going to call you a nerd. True. Halo pro's only practice like 4 hours a day. Semi pro's on the other hand practice like 8 hours haha.
Which is probably part of the reason Halo is so popular. Americans are never going to identify with progamers who weigh 130 and play 12 hours a day. Halo's model makes it more about skill and talent than simply having a life situation that allows you to do nothing but play videogames.
I think if people want SC2 to succeed in America they're going to have to follow that Halo model a bit more.
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On August 03 2010 02:15 HuK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 18:57 IdrA wrote:On August 02 2010 13:47 HuK wrote:
pretty sure im coming sure as hell cant let you win it guess i might have to go after all i dont know what to do now IEM ESL group stages are exact same dates as this
My 2 cents for whatever its worth. Find out what one Idra will be doing, and avoid him.
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On August 03 2010 03:58 Ownos wrote:
Halo is far bigger than SC2 at the moment whether we like it or not. Just reality.
It also has shitty growth potential worldwide because of MLG contracts. I'd rather have less prize money spread around the western world than a high amount all in 1 place. It's not like the tournaments are any more prestigious.
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Just another case of Pot-Kettle-Black etc. etc.. No need to waste effort trying to rationalize it.
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On August 03 2010 05:20 f0rk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 03:58 Ownos wrote:
Halo is far bigger than SC2 at the moment whether we like it or not. Just reality.
It also has shitty growth potential worldwide because of MLG contracts. I'd rather have less prize money spread around the western world than a high amount all in 1 place. It's not like the tournaments are any more prestigious.
Don't know anything about that (contracts). No game is going to have such strong success internationally as far as competitive gaming goes. People talk about how big SC is, when it mostly is centered in Korea.
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On August 03 2010 05:14 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 05:12 Endorsed wrote:On August 03 2010 04:17 iEchoic wrote:On August 03 2010 01:08 heroyi wrote:sc, not in my knowledge, wasnt that big of a scene in NA. actually i feel that its ridiculed in a way . people label sc players as "losers" but praise fps players.... they have heard of sc but EVERYONE KNOWS halo. thats how it is. but now with blizzard trying to actually market sc2 it could possibly fly. The amount people play SC2 won't fly with the MLG audience. If you go over on the MLG boards and post that you play 8-12 hours a day (which a lot of people do), everyone is going to call you a nerd. True. Halo pro's only practice like 4 hours a day. Semi pro's on the other hand practice like 8 hours haha. Which is probably part of the reason Halo is so popular. Americans are never going to identify with progamers who weigh 130 and play 12 hours a day. Halo's model makes it more about skill and talent than simply having a life situation that allows you to do nothing but play videogames. I think if people want SC2 to succeed in America they're going to have to follow that Halo model a bit more.
yea becuz u can compete with 4 hours avg practice a day.... (/sarcasm)
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MLG has always taken a safe, slow, and steady approach to adding new games onto their circuit. It's one of the reasons that they are still around while some other western e-sports organizations have collapsed. I'm willing to bet that 3 tournaments from now if everything goes well there will be either online qualifiers or 256+ open passes available.
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SICK, I really wanna go to this!
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On August 03 2010 05:27 HuK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 05:14 iEchoic wrote:On August 03 2010 05:12 Endorsed wrote:On August 03 2010 04:17 iEchoic wrote:On August 03 2010 01:08 heroyi wrote:sc, not in my knowledge, wasnt that big of a scene in NA. actually i feel that its ridiculed in a way . people label sc players as "losers" but praise fps players.... they have heard of sc but EVERYONE KNOWS halo. thats how it is. but now with blizzard trying to actually market sc2 it could possibly fly. The amount people play SC2 won't fly with the MLG audience. If you go over on the MLG boards and post that you play 8-12 hours a day (which a lot of people do), everyone is going to call you a nerd. True. Halo pro's only practice like 4 hours a day. Semi pro's on the other hand practice like 8 hours haha. Which is probably part of the reason Halo is so popular. Americans are never going to identify with progamers who weigh 130 and play 12 hours a day. Halo's model makes it more about skill and talent than simply having a life situation that allows you to do nothing but play videogames. I think if people want SC2 to succeed in America they're going to have to follow that Halo model a bit more. yea becuz u can compete with 4 hours avg practice a day.... (/sarcasm)
Well, you actually can on Halo. If you're talented. It'd be the same on SC if so many people didn't play 12 hours.
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On August 03 2010 05:37 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 05:27 HuK wrote:On August 03 2010 05:14 iEchoic wrote:On August 03 2010 05:12 Endorsed wrote:On August 03 2010 04:17 iEchoic wrote:On August 03 2010 01:08 heroyi wrote:sc, not in my knowledge, wasnt that big of a scene in NA. actually i feel that its ridiculed in a way . people label sc players as "losers" but praise fps players.... they have heard of sc but EVERYONE KNOWS halo. thats how it is. but now with blizzard trying to actually market sc2 it could possibly fly. The amount people play SC2 won't fly with the MLG audience. If you go over on the MLG boards and post that you play 8-12 hours a day (which a lot of people do), everyone is going to call you a nerd. True. Halo pro's only practice like 4 hours a day. Semi pro's on the other hand practice like 8 hours haha. Which is probably part of the reason Halo is so popular. Americans are never going to identify with progamers who weigh 130 and play 12 hours a day. Halo's model makes it more about skill and talent than simply having a life situation that allows you to do nothing but play videogames. I think if people want SC2 to succeed in America they're going to have to follow that Halo model a bit more. yea becuz u can compete with 4 hours avg practice a day.... (/sarcasm) Well, you actually can on Halo. If you're talented. It'd be the same on SC if so many people didn't play 12 hours.
If Halo got to be as big here as SC is in Korea that would change. It's more viable for a young korean to aspire to support himself through starcraft than it is for someone here to make a living off of Halo. While the top 8 MLG teams make a decent living through winnings and sponsors, anyone out of the top 16 is making next to nothing. In Korea B-teamers don't make a lot, but it's at least something and there are a lot more spots to compete for. If the "progaming dream" was the same here as it is there, you'd see a lot more kids putting in 12 hours a day to try to become the next OG2.
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On August 03 2010 05:37 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 05:27 HuK wrote:On August 03 2010 05:14 iEchoic wrote:On August 03 2010 05:12 Endorsed wrote:On August 03 2010 04:17 iEchoic wrote:On August 03 2010 01:08 heroyi wrote:sc, not in my knowledge, wasnt that big of a scene in NA. actually i feel that its ridiculed in a way . people label sc players as "losers" but praise fps players.... they have heard of sc but EVERYONE KNOWS halo. thats how it is. but now with blizzard trying to actually market sc2 it could possibly fly. The amount people play SC2 won't fly with the MLG audience. If you go over on the MLG boards and post that you play 8-12 hours a day (which a lot of people do), everyone is going to call you a nerd. True. Halo pro's only practice like 4 hours a day. Semi pro's on the other hand practice like 8 hours haha. Which is probably part of the reason Halo is so popular. Americans are never going to identify with progamers who weigh 130 and play 12 hours a day. Halo's model makes it more about skill and talent than simply having a life situation that allows you to do nothing but play videogames. I think if people want SC2 to succeed in America they're going to have to follow that Halo model a bit more. yea becuz u can compete with 4 hours avg practice a day.... (/sarcasm) Well, you actually can on Halo. If you're talented. It'd be the same on SC if so many people didn't play 12 hours.
Then it can't be all that a competitive scene then. Like my comment I said earlier about these "Ogre Twin". Is it utter dominance or noob stomping? If everyone just practiced 4 hours, it'd be easy to just work off of talent alone.
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On August 03 2010 05:20 f0rk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 03:58 Ownos wrote:
Halo is far bigger than SC2 at the moment whether we like it or not. Just reality.
It also has shitty growth potential worldwide because of MLG contracts. I'd rather have less prize money spread around the western world than a high amount all in 1 place. It's not like the tournaments are any more prestigious.
haha. Anyway i'm excited. I hope in the near future we will have 256 spots  I can dream right.
Also like I stated there are alot of teams who practice 8+ hours. But the dominating ones like Final Boss and Instinct (top 2 right now) only practice around 4 hours. I got this out of interviews. I think it's because they are the 2 teams right now who really know how to play Halo 3. They got the teamwork aspect right and just need to practice 4 hours to stay sharp. They have hit the skill-ceiling. Which is ofcourse small in Halo (3 years against the 10+++++++ of BW)
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I am going and very excited. Regardless of whether or not Im actually lucky enough to get in on the first 32, I am really pumped to be going to an MLG event. Hope to see everyone there
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On August 03 2010 06:16 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 05:37 iEchoic wrote:On August 03 2010 05:27 HuK wrote:On August 03 2010 05:14 iEchoic wrote:On August 03 2010 05:12 Endorsed wrote:On August 03 2010 04:17 iEchoic wrote:On August 03 2010 01:08 heroyi wrote:sc, not in my knowledge, wasnt that big of a scene in NA. actually i feel that its ridiculed in a way . people label sc players as "losers" but praise fps players.... they have heard of sc but EVERYONE KNOWS halo. thats how it is. but now with blizzard trying to actually market sc2 it could possibly fly. The amount people play SC2 won't fly with the MLG audience. If you go over on the MLG boards and post that you play 8-12 hours a day (which a lot of people do), everyone is going to call you a nerd. True. Halo pro's only practice like 4 hours a day. Semi pro's on the other hand practice like 8 hours haha. Which is probably part of the reason Halo is so popular. Americans are never going to identify with progamers who weigh 130 and play 12 hours a day. Halo's model makes it more about skill and talent than simply having a life situation that allows you to do nothing but play videogames. I think if people want SC2 to succeed in America they're going to have to follow that Halo model a bit more. yea becuz u can compete with 4 hours avg practice a day.... (/sarcasm) Well, you actually can on Halo. If you're talented. It'd be the same on SC if so many people didn't play 12 hours. Then it can't be all that a competitive scene then. Like my comment I said earlier about these "Ogre Twin". Is it utter dominance or noob stomping? If everyone just practiced 4 hours, it'd be easy to just work off of talent alone.
I dont know if you've played console shooters at all, but massing practice time does not help at all. You're either gifted with talent or you're not. You can't mass games and improve exponentially like in starcraft. Really pro's only practice to help with awareness and to help with teamwork. They're good enough so that they don't have to practice alot to be good.
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You're either gifted with talent or you're not.
That's not true really. In a shooter(Halo) you have to make the right split-second decisions in a situation. And you learn that by being put in that situation AKA playing the game. The more you play the better you know how to react in all kinds of different situations. Some people just learn alot faster(talent) and the skill-ceiling of Halo 3 (Halo CE was an amazing game and is still being played competitive after 7 years) is pretty low.
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I would love to see IdrA beat out HuK to win the first ever MLG SC2 tournament. :D
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Well I was gonna play in this but apparently Idra and HuK want to fly all the way to NC to play a qualifier -_-
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On August 03 2010 07:33 Endorsed wrote:That's not true really. In a shooter(Halo) you have to make the right split-second decisions in a situation. And you learn that by being put in that situation AKA playing the game. The more you play the better you know how to react in all kinds of different situations. Some people just learn alot faster(talent) and the skill-ceiling of Halo 3 (Halo CE was an amazing game and is still being played competitive after 7 years) is pretty low.
How well you can aim is pretty much all talent, your awareness and map movement is also heavily based on talent. Communication and awareness for you teamates is what you spend time practicing on.
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On August 03 2010 07:55 Backpack wrote:
Well I was gonna play in this but apparently Idra and HuK want to fly all the way to NC to play a qualifier -_-
It's not a qualifier.. Its an important event that has 5000 in prize money. Just because nationals are based upon points from these events dont make them qualifiers.... Theres a reason the top teams in halo come every single event even though theyre already locked in. For prize money and recognition. None of these events are true qualifiers as there all important in there own right.
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Just to remind everyone, passes go on sale TOMORROW (TUESDAY) at 7 PM EST! More information and links to the sign-up page can be found HERE.
SELL THESE OUT OMG11!1!1ONE!11
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I'm definitely buying a pass to get a spot! See the SC2 crew there!
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On August 03 2010 08:03 itmeJP wrote:Just to remind everyone, passes go on sale TOMORROW (TUESDAY) at 7 PM EST! More information and links to the sign-up page can be found HERE. If you want MLG SC2 to grow quicker then it will, sell these passes out and I promise good things will come!
Nice. Any particular reason the "Passes on Sale..." link goes to WoW instead of here?
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On August 03 2010 08:02 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 07:55 Backpack wrote:
Well I was gonna play in this but apparently Idra and HuK want to fly all the way to NC to play a qualifier -_- It's not a qualifier.. Its an important event that has 5000 in prize money. Just because nationals are based upon points from these events dont make them qualifiers.... Theres a reason the top teams in halo come every single event even though theyre already locked in. For prize money and recognition. None of these events are true qualifiers as there all important in there own right.
I suppose, it's just that a 32 player open registration event doesn't seem like a huge deal I guess. I'll still give it a shot though ^^
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On August 03 2010 08:13 delo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 08:03 itmeJP wrote:Just to remind everyone, passes go on sale TOMORROW (TUESDAY) at 7 PM EST! More information and links to the sign-up page can be found HERE. If you want MLG SC2 to grow quicker then it will, sell these passes out and I promise good things will come! Nice. Any particular reason the "Passes on Sale..." link goes to WoW instead of here?
That was fixed. :D
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On August 03 2010 08:03 itmeJP wrote:Just to remind everyone, passes go on sale TOMORROW (TUESDAY) at 7 PM EST! More information and links to the sign-up page can be found HERE. SELL THESE OUT OMG11!1!1ONE!11
^^ QFT.
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On August 03 2010 08:27 Backpack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 08:02 OHtRUe wrote:On August 03 2010 07:55 Backpack wrote:
Well I was gonna play in this but apparently Idra and HuK want to fly all the way to NC to play a qualifier -_- It's not a qualifier.. Its an important event that has 5000 in prize money. Just because nationals are based upon points from these events dont make them qualifiers.... Theres a reason the top teams in halo come every single event even though theyre already locked in. For prize money and recognition. None of these events are true qualifiers as there all important in there own right. I suppose, it's just that a 32 player open registration event doesn't seem like a huge deal I guess. I'll still give it a shot though ^^
MLG does this with every single new game they introduce to make sure they can make revenue and get an audience for the game.
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On August 03 2010 08:52 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 08:27 Backpack wrote:On August 03 2010 08:02 OHtRUe wrote:On August 03 2010 07:55 Backpack wrote:
Well I was gonna play in this but apparently Idra and HuK want to fly all the way to NC to play a qualifier -_- It's not a qualifier.. Its an important event that has 5000 in prize money. Just because nationals are based upon points from these events dont make them qualifiers.... Theres a reason the top teams in halo come every single event even though theyre already locked in. For prize money and recognition. None of these events are true qualifiers as there all important in there own right. I suppose, it's just that a 32 player open registration event doesn't seem like a huge deal I guess. I'll still give it a shot though ^^ MLG does this with every single new game they introduce to make sure they can make revenue and get an audience for the game.
Okay? I already knew that, i'm not sure what you're trying to prove.
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Idra is going now? There goes my interest in participating lol, although there is prize money in top 8 so there could still be some profit, I'll have to look up flight prices and hotel costs for those times
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Any euro's plan on attending even though it's short notice?
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On August 03 2010 08:03 itmeJP wrote:Just to remind everyone, passes go on sale TOMORROW (TUESDAY) at 7 PM EST! More information and links to the sign-up page can be found HERE. SELL THESE OUT OMG11!1!1ONE!11
If we sell out in under 5 minutes JP has agreed to shave his head :X
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I think it'll sell out within 1 minute.
Just a hunch.
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On July 31 2010 08:59 Reborn8u wrote:
The Halo scene dwarfs starcraft in case your unaware. At least in the U.S. First place in vegas for halo is 100,000 usd. The Ogre twins (ogre 1 and ogre 2 who are twin brothers, only 1 of them still plays) and there former longtime teammate walshy have all earned well over half a million dollars each from the Halo series.(MLG signed them to a 3 year, 250,000$ each, deal a while back) They dominated the scene of halo1, and halo 2. In halo 3 they have maintained top 8 but they are not the halo bonjwa's they once were. One year they won every mlg event. The ogre twins never lost a game 2v2 in halo 1 EVER! They also won the wcg 2v2 in halo 2. The last mlg halo 2 event (before they switched over to halo3) they're team of 4 consisting of Ogre1, Ogre 2, walshy, and strongside won the vegas finals without losing a single game in any best of 5's or best of 7's. But I recently read a blog by one of the ogres that says he has approximately 50,000 dollars of unpaid winnings. But he doesn't specify which events and which leagues owe him. They're team was STK (Shoot To Kill) back in the halo 1 days. They've gone by Final Boss ever since.
I played Halo 1. This is false. I stood there and watched them lose one.
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On August 03 2010 16:19 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 08:59 Reborn8u wrote:
The Halo scene dwarfs starcraft in case your unaware. At least in the U.S. First place in vegas for halo is 100,000 usd. The Ogre twins (ogre 1 and ogre 2 who are twin brothers, only 1 of them still plays) and there former longtime teammate walshy have all earned well over half a million dollars each from the Halo series.(MLG signed them to a 3 year, 250,000$ each, deal a while back) They dominated the scene of halo1, and halo 2. In halo 3 they have maintained top 8 but they are not the halo bonjwa's they once were. One year they won every mlg event. The ogre twins never lost a game 2v2 in halo 1 EVER! They also won the wcg 2v2 in halo 2. The last mlg halo 2 event (before they switched over to halo3) they're team of 4 consisting of Ogre1, Ogre 2, walshy, and strongside won the vegas finals without losing a single game in any best of 5's or best of 7's. But I recently read a blog by one of the ogres that says he has approximately 50,000 dollars of unpaid winnings. But he doesn't specify which events and which leagues owe him. They're team was STK (Shoot To Kill) back in the halo 1 days. They've gone by Final Boss ever since. I played Halo 1. This is false. I stood there and watched them lose one.
It must have been in a dream you were having because they have never lost a 2v2 on LAN, whether at a tournament or in practice. That is fact.
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I thought they lost at some non MLG tourny that had the weirdest rules on Beaver creek or something. Don't know exactly didn't follow MLG till halo 2.
Well the passes go on sale tonight, will there be a list for us to see who got the passes?
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On August 03 2010 07:59 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 07:33 Endorsed wrote:You're either gifted with talent or you're not. That's not true really. In a shooter(Halo) you have to make the right split-second decisions in a situation. And you learn that by being put in that situation AKA playing the game. The more you play the better you know how to react in all kinds of different situations. Some people just learn alot faster(talent) and the skill-ceiling of Halo 3 (Halo CE was an amazing game and is still being played competitive after 7 years) is pretty low. How well you can aim is pretty much all talent, your awareness and map movement is also heavily based on talent. Communication and awareness for you teamates is what you spend time practicing on.
Aiming in Halo has never taken talent, aside from Halo 1. Aim assist, bullet magnetism, and auto aim all make it incredibly easy to 4 shot and snipe (Yes, all 3!). If the game was actually difficult, and they removed all those facets of shooting, the competitive scene would die off because it would be too hard for console gamers and teamwork would become a secondary skill inside of the primary skill.
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Oops, too quick on the link. Prizes, rules, etc going up any minute.
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Why are we even talking about halo here? Console fps are dumbed down in skill requeriment.
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Wrong SayTT, that is a pointless debate. Lets not start it.
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Your right, lets hope for a good mlg sc2 future
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Adam,
Let's assume the passes sell out - how soon are we going to know who did/didn't get passes? And how quickly will MLG get the word out about opening more slots? Thanks!
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2. Players may not appear on a Station with sponsor insignia that is not approved by MLG or conflicts with MLG sponsors. Players and Coaches may be asked to wear MLG apparel for all Matches.
found here. http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/310499/SC2-Rules-and-Settings
I wonder if that is going to be a problem with any of the top-tier players?
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Seriously, why do newbs choose console fps over pc fps?. It's like choosing to drive with your elbows.
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Passes go on sale tonight at 7 PM! Any europeans attending? Come on, people fly from Australia to compete in Halo 3!
2. Players may not appear on a Station with sponsor insignia that is not approved by MLG or conflicts with MLG sponsors. Players and Coaches may be asked to wear MLG apparel for all Matches.
Huhhh?? I see Halo teams wear all kinds of different shirts with different sponsers, not like Dr.Pepper but totally different who aren't working with MLG. I think MLG don't really pay much attention to it and only do something about it when a sponsor whines. Edit: This might be true for the Top 8 teams, they always wear the same shirt/hoodie. Black with their teamname and gamertag on it. No sponsers on the shirts i think.
The Ogre twins were so dominant at H1 2v2 that they started playing with other people at tournaments..and still taking the top 2 spots.
This, nobody came close. Perfect win record they had together. It was amazing. Halo CE was a great game. On par with games like Counter Strike imo. Knowing how the spawn system worked was so complex and at the time only they knew how to really effectively use it.
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On July 31 2010 11:48 ZlaSHeR wrote:
^ no.
Top 8 get paid, if its as stated "over 5k prize pool" i'm guessing it'll go something like
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somewhere in that sense, because they always pay top 8 people, so the first place prize is about the price of a round trip ticket from south korea.
haha how the hell did you know?
anyway I hope you guys are ready to sell these passes out :D Considering coming up from UF with some friends
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On August 04 2010 05:38 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 11:48 ZlaSHeR wrote:
^ no.
Top 8 get paid, if its as stated "over 5k prize pool" i'm guessing it'll go something like
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somewhere in that sense, because they always pay top 8 people, so the first place prize is about the price of a round trip ticket from south korea. haha how the hell did you know? anyway I hope you guys are ready to sell these passes out :D Considering coming up from UF with some friends
I used to follow MLG. All their secondary events like Tekken 6 and SSBB run the same prize system, they ALWAYS pay top 8, whether its halo, or tekken or smash, and since they said over 5k, it was safe to assume that it would be the same payout as the smaller events, which tend not to change, only halo's prize pool changes from event to event, except the championship which is always worth a lot more.
I think what they mean is that if you're on a featured station or on a station potentially on camera you're not allowed to wear non mlg sponsored logos. Its why you never see fnatic's halo team on the featured stage. I'm guessing that they don't plan on showing the starcraft 2 people on camera at all, since most people who are on teams with team clothing and team sponsors will conflict with the mlg sponsors.
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On August 04 2010 05:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I think what they mean is that if you're on a featured station or on a station potentially on camera you're not allowed to wear non mlg sponsored logos. Its why you never see fnatic's halo team on the featured stage. I'm guessing that they don't plan on showing the starcraft 2 people on camera at all, since most people who are on teams with team clothing and team sponsors will conflict with the mlg sponsors.
With policies stupid like that they won't get anywhere, I think. They're all about money even before they have any sort of success. O_o
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Straight from the Gameplay section of the official rules:
8. Referees will conduct a Blind Pick of Races for Game 1 of a Match.
9. The loser of a Game may select a different Race for the next Game.
What does this mean? O_O
Source: http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/310499/SC2-Rules-and-Settings
Edit: Haha I had someone explain it to me, it's all good. =P
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On August 04 2010 06:02 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 05:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I think what they mean is that if you're on a featured station or on a station potentially on camera you're not allowed to wear non mlg sponsored logos. Its why you never see fnatic's halo team on the featured stage. I'm guessing that they don't plan on showing the starcraft 2 people on camera at all, since most people who are on teams with team clothing and team sponsors will conflict with the mlg sponsors. With policies stupid like that they won't get anywhere, I think. They're all about money even before they have any sort of success. O_o
Okay, let me try to clear the air on this. It's been a long standing policy at MLG and one that we've had to address with the WoW teams and their sponsors as well.
MLG is a business. Our business happens to be one that we love because it's all about competitive gaming. But a big part of that business is being good partners with our sponsors. We invest a tremendous amount of work, time and money into producing the best tournaments we know how at the biggest scale that we can. Your objections are assuming that we have no interest or smarts enough to try to protect our business. That seems just silly.
Here's the reality, we're NOT saying you can't compete at all if you have a sponsor that conflicts with MLG's sponsors. Most of the folks that have sponsorships already have their own websites and mechanisms to promote--on which they can splash all over the place that they won MLG or placed well, or whatever. All we're saying is that on OUR stream, please respect our business.
Check the WoW VODs. Tell me where we were so bad. You'll see Fnatic shirts, eG shirts, coL shirts and lots of others.
If there's conflict, we're just reserving the right to protect the investment and effort we make to throw tournaments like this.
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On August 04 2010 06:14 JoshSuth wrote:Straight from the Gameplay section of the official rules: 8. Referees will conduct a Blind Pick of Races for Game 1 of a Match. 9. The loser of a Game may select a different Race for the next Game. What does this mean? O_O Source: http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/310499/SC2-Rules-and-Settings
Blind Pick of Races means that neither player will know what the other player has picked as a race for the 1st match. Each player tells the ref right before match starts, so the ref knows, but the players don't know their opponent's race.
Rule 9 means the loser of the previous game can change races if they want, but the winner may not.
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On August 04 2010 05:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I think what they mean is that if you're on a featured station or on a station potentially on camera you're not allowed to wear non mlg sponsored logos. Its why you never see fnatic's halo team on the featured stage. I'm guessing that they don't plan on showing the starcraft 2 people on camera at all, since most people who are on teams with team clothing and team sponsors will conflict with the mlg sponsors.
Does WoW have this rule? I checked the website but the rules aren't posted yet. If this conflicts with the established pro teams there could be a real problem.
Could easily be fussing over nothing though.
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Yes, WoW has this rule too. Every MLG title has it.
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If all Minerals on the Map have been consumed and no Units or Structures have been killed for 5 minutes, the Game will be replayed.
haha kespa style
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On August 04 2010 04:55 zFugitivE wrote:2. Players may not appear on a Station with sponsor insignia that is not approved by MLG or conflicts with MLG sponsors. Players and Coaches may be asked to wear MLG apparel for all Matches. found here. http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/310499/SC2-Rules-and-SettingsI wonder if that is going to be a problem with any of the top-tier players?
DjWheat and peeps talked about this in Live On Three, and i gotta agree that this sucks. Especially for big teams like EG and so on. But hey, maybe the t-shirts or other sponsor clothing will be approved by MLG who knows.
E: Just read the post above about this. So yeah, it should be cool.
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I am sure people like Team EG and Fnatic can wear their team shirts, since they have been in the MLG scene for so long in other platforms.
It is nothing really to be alarmed about, movies and tv shows do this all the time. If a company had someone watching this on a stream and saw their brand name being shown it could be a bad thing for the producer of the stream.
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tickets go on sale at 7. When will we know whos in?
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Why cant we make pro teams, and have G4 tv show SC2 from 4-9 every day. I want seasons, and drama, on my television!
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On August 04 2010 07:03 jamesr12 wrote:
tickets go on sale at 7. When will we know whos in?
You won't unless they say it, MLG does not release the list of people who buy passes.
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Sold out in 3 minutes. Doesn't that mean JP is getting his head shaved?
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On August 04 2010 08:03 delo wrote:
Sold out in 3 minutes. Doesn't that mean JP is getting his head shaved?
He said he never agreed to it
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2-3 minute sell-out. Bump it up to 64!!
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wtf... i srsly was thinking i'd be one of the first cause i was sitting at my comp w/ my credit card info all ready and it said sold out? wtf is this shit.
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I'm in. Oh god, what have I done.
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Hopefully MLG will announce that they're expanding this to 64 (or 128) asap. Clearly the demand is there :-)
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Yes the demand is here! More people!
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I probably would have got one if I remember to put all my info and shit in before hand. It was outdated and I thought I used paypal to checkout. ~_~
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On August 04 2010 06:02 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 05:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I think what they mean is that if you're on a featured station or on a station potentially on camera you're not allowed to wear non mlg sponsored logos. Its why you never see fnatic's halo team on the featured stage. I'm guessing that they don't plan on showing the starcraft 2 people on camera at all, since most people who are on teams with team clothing and team sponsors will conflict with the mlg sponsors. With policies stupid like that they won't get anywhere, I think. They're all about money even before they have any sort of success. O_o
No its because fnatic never makes it even close to top 24 in the championship bracket.........
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So when do we know who are the lucky ones?
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I don't quite understand why the limit is 32 to start off. Sure, you say that if more people start registering, they'll expand. Why not just have the limit a little higher to start off?
I remember when I participated in MLG Dallas 2005 for SSBM, 128 slots were filled and even a lot of people weren't able to play because of just how fast it filled up. But SSBM didn't even last on the circuit that long (1 year? maybe 2?), and a lot of fans were disappointed when MLG took SSBM out. I think people were saying that MS sponsors only wanted Halo in the circuit or something of that sort. It was really disappointing for all of us fans/competitive players.
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On August 04 2010 08:26 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 06:02 maybenexttime wrote:On August 04 2010 05:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I think what they mean is that if you're on a featured station or on a station potentially on camera you're not allowed to wear non mlg sponsored logos. Its why you never see fnatic's halo team on the featured stage. I'm guessing that they don't plan on showing the starcraft 2 people on camera at all, since most people who are on teams with team clothing and team sponsors will conflict with the mlg sponsors. With policies stupid like that they won't get anywhere, I think. They're all about money even before they have any sort of success. O_o No its because fnatic never makes it even close to top 24 in the championship bracket.........
Ya, Fnatic's halo team is amateur , they always lose in like ro32 or something (as far as I know) ...
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On August 04 2010 08:26 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 06:02 maybenexttime wrote:On August 04 2010 05:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I think what they mean is that if you're on a featured station or on a station potentially on camera you're not allowed to wear non mlg sponsored logos. Its why you never see fnatic's halo team on the featured stage. I'm guessing that they don't plan on showing the starcraft 2 people on camera at all, since most people who are on teams with team clothing and team sponsors will conflict with the mlg sponsors. With policies stupid like that they won't get anywhere, I think. They're all about money even before they have any sort of success. O_o No its because fnatic never makes it even close to top 24 in the championship bracket.........
In Orlando I think it was, or maybe Anaheim they got in the top 21 or so. They endorse the shit outta Power gaming that has only done better once. They love throwing them on camera but as another european team you'd think fnatic gets put on, they don't.
So...how do we find out who's going to be the 32 in the bronzefest?
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There should be a thread for all the people who got passes, so we can make a bracket?
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: ( I really wanted to play. My f5 micro fails.
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If anyone wants to sell their pass LET ME KNOW! :D
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Hmmm, looks like players will be able to change their race selection after each single game if they so choose.
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How exactly does the pass work? I got the email, I check the order history but theres... nothing to print or anything like that. Is it mailed? Do they send emails later?
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I have a feeling you'll get more stuff later...
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On August 04 2010 09:06 ZlaSHeR wrote:
In Orlando I think it was, or maybe Anaheim they got in the top 21 or so. They endorse the shit outta Power gaming that has only done better once. They love throwing them on camera but as another european team you'd think fnatic gets put on, they don't.
So...how do we find out who's going to be the 32 in the bronzefest?
They haven't shown power on mainstage, or on their livestream. They have done an article about them because they were the first europe team to come to an halo 3 event. In their live blog during events they hyped up fnatic and power equally.
Also you can show your sponsors as long as it's not a direct conflict with their other sponsers, I.E. Coke Vs. Pepsi.
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First off power is the better team so they should get more hype and to be honest neither should really be getting much hype they're top 24 teams.
I want to know which players got the passes though!!
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How would I go about getting a press pass for MLG Raleigh?
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Tried to get in but the website was glitched when it came to creating an account! I was livid!!!!!!!!!!!! I will be attending as a guest and someone from our team got in! Hopefully they will add more seats.
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On August 03 2010 16:09 MLG.Shrew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2010 08:03 itmeJP wrote:Just to remind everyone, passes go on sale TOMORROW (TUESDAY) at 7 PM EST! More information and links to the sign-up page can be found HERE. SELL THESE OUT OMG11!1!1ONE!11 If we sell out in under 5 minutes JP has agreed to shave his head :X MLG has agreed to give us a shaved head if we sold out in under 5 min, and really any shaved head will do Shrew 
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On August 04 2010 06:16 MLG_Lee wrote:Blind Pick of Races means that neither player will know what the other player has picked as a race for the 1st match. Each player tells the ref right before match starts, so the ref knows, but the players don't know their opponent's race. Rule 9 means the loser of the previous game can change races if they want, but the winner may not.
Rule 9 sucks. Please change it.
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On August 04 2010 13:41 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 06:16 MLG_Lee wrote:On August 04 2010 06:14 JoshSuth wrote:Straight from the Gameplay section of the official rules: 8. Referees will conduct a Blind Pick of Races for Game 1 of a Match. 9. The loser of a Game may select a different Race for the next Game. What does this mean? O_O Source: http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/310499/SC2-Rules-and-Settings Blind Pick of Races means that neither player will know what the other player has picked as a race for the 1st match. Each player tells the ref right before match starts, so the ref knows, but the players don't know their opponent's race. Rule 9 means the loser of the previous game can change races if they want, but the winner may not. Rule 9 sucks. Please change it.
I don't think that's possible with SC2 because uh, as the game is starting you can see their races... unless you're talking about if a player wants to choose random? O_O;
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On August 04 2010 13:57 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 13:41 Ownos wrote:On August 04 2010 06:16 MLG_Lee wrote:On August 04 2010 06:14 JoshSuth wrote:Straight from the Gameplay section of the official rules: 8. Referees will conduct a Blind Pick of Races for Game 1 of a Match. 9. The loser of a Game may select a different Race for the next Game. What does this mean? O_O Source: http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/310499/SC2-Rules-and-Settings Blind Pick of Races means that neither player will know what the other player has picked as a race for the 1st match. Each player tells the ref right before match starts, so the ref knows, but the players don't know their opponent's race. Rule 9 means the loser of the previous game can change races if they want, but the winner may not. Rule 9 sucks. Please change it. I don't think that's possible with SC2 because uh, as the game is starting you can see their races... unless you're talking about if a player wants to choose random? O_O;
You have to declare your race before your told/see what race your opponent chose. It could probably be worded better, but it was explained on page 1 or 2 of the rules thread. You get some kind of foul if you try to change it after declaring it to the ref.
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I play Random. Am I locked into "Random", or am I locked into the race I pulled as Random if I win?
Is Random even allowed?
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On August 04 2010 15:12 w_Ender_w wrote:
I play Random. Am I locked into "Random", or am I locked into the race I pulled as Random if I win?
Is Random even allowed?
Loser can switch races, winner cannot. Not seen anything specifically called out about random, but I assume its allowed.
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I don't really see what the problem is, I'd assume that if you pick random in double blind you'd have to stay random if you win the first game in a match, when you lose you can decide to either stay random or pick a race.
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Anyone actually worth watching get in?
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Doubt it, only people I see confirming are us locals that f5'd. I ALMOST hope that HuK and IdrA will show up to surprise us, but that would kill everyone else's equity so...meh?
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On August 04 2010 17:10 f0rk wrote:
Anyone actually worth watching get in?
My question too.
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On August 04 2010 08:26 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 06:02 maybenexttime wrote:On August 04 2010 05:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I think what they mean is that if you're on a featured station or on a station potentially on camera you're not allowed to wear non mlg sponsored logos. Its why you never see fnatic's halo team on the featured stage. I'm guessing that they don't plan on showing the starcraft 2 people on camera at all, since most people who are on teams with team clothing and team sponsors will conflict with the mlg sponsors. With policies stupid like that they won't get anywhere, I think. They're all about money even before they have any sort of success. O_o No its because fnatic never makes it even close to top 24 in the championship bracket.........
Not true. Power has made it to the mainstage several times and they wore their power jerseys with their sponsors on it.
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Why is this first come first serve? Can't MLG invite the top players who are interested?
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On August 04 2010 22:28 NeonGenesis wrote:
Why is this first come first serve? Can't MLG invite the top players who are interested?
It appears they need the pass costs to cover some of the prize money (like a 3rd of it :/) and you can't really charge invites. I don't see open tournaments giving us that good of a show with 32 players, it's hard to run brackets much bigger than that on PCs, and they don't seem to like invite systems. Not really looking that good compared to ESL.
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On August 04 2010 10:40 captainwaffles wrote:
How exactly does the pass work? I got the email, I check the order history but theres... nothing to print or anything like that. Is it mailed? Do they send emails later?
There isn't anything you need to printout or take there, they'll just ask you at the door for your forum name and stuff.
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my low diamond friend got a pass lol. but we live in Raleigh so its worth it
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This tournament is just to test the waters. MLG always satisfies the players but try to keep it as competitive as possible.
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I hope they keep it a 32-man game! More chances for me to recoup my ticket price :-D
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On August 04 2010 22:34 f0rk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 22:28 NeonGenesis wrote:
Why is this first come first serve? Can't MLG invite the top players who are interested? It appears they need the pass costs to cover some of the prize money (like a 3rd of it :/) and you can't really charge invites. I don't see open tournaments giving us that good of a show with 32 players, it's hard to run brackets much bigger than that on PCs, and they don't seem to like invite systems. Not really looking that good compared to ESL.
blargh. They already said if there is a high enough demand they will have more spots in the future. MLG has never run an RTS, give them some time. The great thing about MLG is that they really listen to their community. Give feedback and see what happens. I don't think invites are the right way to go. It will scare alot of people away because when pro's like Idra/Tester are invited nobody think they will stand a chance. It just needs to grow first.
Anyway can't wait for the live stream! (if there's one)
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On August 05 2010 02:37 Endorsed wrote:
I don't think invites are the right way to go. It will scare alot of people away because when pro's like Idra/Tester are invited nobody think they will stand a chance. It just needs to grow first.
Pro gaming tournaments should be all about idra and tester, not random dudes from around the corner.
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On August 04 2010 18:57 Kishkumen wrote:My question too.
I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that they weren't even streaming/casting the whole thing. So you'll probably only watch the semi-finals and up.
Not sure how good everyone will be, but you'll be watching the best of who was there.
On August 05 2010 03:48 f0rk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 02:37 Endorsed wrote:
I don't think invites are the right way to go. It will scare alot of people away because when pro's like Idra/Tester are invited nobody think they will stand a chance. It just needs to grow first.
Pro gaming tournaments should be all about idra and tester, not random dudes from around the corner.
Invitational tournaments are just like throwing money at the same 10 people. Open reg/qualifiers are the way to go.
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I can't see this having any real attraction to hardcore Starcraft 2 fans. There are no qualifications for entering, therefore literally any level of player could be in this thing. I will not be watching it unless some interesting names pop-up. MLG was not built for open bracket 32 spot tournaments. They are a team organization, and I don't know how long this will last.
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so asuming it got sold out, are MLG concidering to expand it now then to 64?
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Any news to as if HuK or IdrA going?
Looking forward to seeing some of my fav players play. (im from raleigh figured Id go, as its pretty cheap to watch)
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So is jp shaving his head?
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On August 05 2010 06:22 RobPG wrote:
I can't see this having any real attraction to hardcore Starcraft 2 fans. There are no qualifications for entering, therefore literally any level of player could be in this thing. I will not be watching it unless some interesting names pop-up. MLG was not built for open bracket 32 spot tournaments. They are a team organization, and I don't know how long this will last.
This is just a test run to gague the popularity and see how everything works before they have a larger bracket in future tournaments. Plus, when Halo first started in MLG they had open brackets to establish the "pro" bracket. I am sure that after a season they will have predetermined "pro" players and make only a few spots from the open brackets make it into the main event.
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^ Just keep this in mind so you guys do not get spoiled or expect it for future events
Please note that these reputation-based invitations will only be used at MLG Raleigh. All future StarCraft 2 MLG Events will use the standard MLG Pro Circuit points system. The Top 16 players to come out of Raleigh will be issued invitations to the next Event, in D.C., and the remaining passes for that Event will be sold on a first-come, first-serve basis.
Good to all those who get invited and those who already have a pass for MLG Raleigh
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As a spectator, I'm glad they're inviting some top players to ensure at least a few quality games, but as an entrant I'm kinda pissed that they expanded the bracket to 64 to accommodate this after we've already registered.
edit: actually, after taking a little while to think about it, I'm really kinda pissed about this as a player. I was excited about playing in a smaller bracket with randoms, and that's what I expected when I paid my $60. I figured I had a decent shot of cashing in and being streamed for a tournament designed to showcase up and coming players. Now there's another round to get through before the money and half the entries are going to be known players which screws over my equity and almost ensures that anyone making the stream has been seen before.
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On August 06 2010 09:37 BotD wrote:
As a spectator, I'm glad they're inviting some top players to ensure at least a few quality games, but as an entrant I'm kinda pissed that they expanded the bracket to 64 to accommodate this after we've already registered.
edit: actually, after taking a little while to think about it, I'm really kinda pissed about this as a player. I was excited about playing in a smaller bracket with randoms, and that's what I expected when I paid my $60. I figured I had a decent shot of cashing in and being streamed for a tournament designed to showcase up and coming players. Now there's another round to get through before the money and half the entries are going to be known players which screws over my equity and almost ensures that anyone making the stream has been seen before.
As soon as i saw they expanded it to 32 additional invite spots, this was the reaction i expected to see.
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On August 06 2010 09:37 BotD wrote:
As a spectator, I'm glad they're inviting some top players to ensure at least a few quality games, but as an entrant I'm kinda pissed that they expanded the bracket to 64 to accommodate this after we've already registered.
edit: actually, after taking a little while to think about it, I'm really kinda pissed about this as a player. I was excited about playing in a smaller bracket with randoms, and that's what I expected when I paid my $60. I figured I had a decent shot of cashing in and being streamed for a tournament designed to showcase up and coming players. Now there's another round to get through before the money and half the entries are going to be known players which screws over my equity and almost ensures that anyone making the stream has been seen before.
Lmao, stop caring so much about money. Seriously. There are over 248 teams in Halo who don't make any money. But they continue to play and attend events, for fun. You will have a blast.
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Can anyone PM me where I can get one of the MLG Umad shirts to get in free to spectate? I can not find any hot topic or online where it is not sold out!!! Really want to get it so I can have something to remember for when I go!
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On August 06 2010 23:19 Endorsed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 09:37 BotD wrote:
As a spectator, I'm glad they're inviting some top players to ensure at least a few quality games, but as an entrant I'm kinda pissed that they expanded the bracket to 64 to accommodate this after we've already registered.
edit: actually, after taking a little while to think about it, I'm really kinda pissed about this as a player. I was excited about playing in a smaller bracket with randoms, and that's what I expected when I paid my $60. I figured I had a decent shot of cashing in and being streamed for a tournament designed to showcase up and coming players. Now there's another round to get through before the money and half the entries are going to be known players which screws over my equity and almost ensures that anyone making the stream has been seen before. Lmao, stop caring so much about money. Seriously. There are over 248 teams in Halo who don't make any money. But they continue to play and attend events, for fun. You will have a blast.
Am I really being unreasonable thinking that after registering for what was advertised to be a random 32 bracket, then being told that my $60 put me in a random 32 bracket, I should be upset about suddenly being in a 64 man bracket with pros?
Tell me not to worry about money all you want, but you're an idiot if you don't think money's the reason these tournaments are going down to begin with. When I paid my $60, I was told it was going to be a random entry 32 man bracket, double elim bo3 per match etc etc. I never agreed to having to play against a bunch of pros and diamond players that suddenly get seeded well into our bracket.
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BotD we'll refund your money, no problem. There are 1,000s of people complaining about not getting a pass. You should come to a tournament to prove you're the best and to do that you need to compete against the best. The bracket will still be randomly seeded as there is zero MLG match history prior to this event.
Think about if Halo:Reach gets added to the circuit and we don't reserve passes for the top teams. We would look completely absurd if the top 16 Halo 3 teams did not get into the first Reach event. The same applies here.
I understand your gripe but we never said we would not expand, in fact it has been the opposite. I have said in all of my communication that we are gauging interest with the first 32 passes. I was shocked (and happy) that the passes sold out in 2 minutes and 14 seconds. Naturally we want the best competition, so expanding it to allow for some of the top SC1 players to get in was something that had to be done.
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Are we allowed to post a list of who's going? Because I know very many top players who are going... this tournament is actually going to be INSANELY competitive!
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Well what do you expect? Half of it is invite only
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On August 08 2010 11:18 Xeris wrote:
Are we allowed to post a list of who's going? Because I know very many top players who are going... this tournament is actually going to be INSANELY competitive!
do share please mr well conected
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You guys are right, I'm sorry for being so bitchy about it before. I honestly am excited about this, just got too hung up on the potential for money. Been a rough week, I shouldn't have reacted that way.
See everyone in a few weeks. :D
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On August 08 2010 11:18 Xeris wrote:
Are we allowed to post a list of who's going? Because I know very many top players who are going... this tournament is actually going to be INSANELY competitive!
No. Please
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On August 08 2010 19:34 itmeJP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 11:18 Xeris wrote:
Are we allowed to post a list of who's going? Because I know very many top players who are going... this tournament is actually going to be INSANELY competitive! No. Please
Jp the suspense is killing me
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While there will obviously need to be some tweaks made in the future with regards to the open registration, I think that this says it best, and makes me optimistic for the future:
This is our FIRST ever event for this title. Halo has been on the circuit for 7 years. Let's sell 32 passes first and then go from there. We all want this to be huge (emphasize ALL), but we need to build in steps. I would love to put down a flag that says 'HUGE' every time we pick up a title and know for a fact that given a specific formula of (bracket size, prize pot, # of stations=success). Sadly, it does not work like that.
Give us time. We want to build this right.
- Adam (senior vice president, league operations and production)
MLG is getting to be quite big, and the staff that runs the events knows a lot about what they are doing. However, both we and they know that it isn't easy to get everything right from the very beginning, and that only time will tell as far as the events go with regard to the future. However, considering that MLG is Blizzard's official North American partner, I'm sure the companies with such power and substantial resources will do everything that they can in order to make the endeavors a success. Just as I said with the brilliant news from GomTV's announcement, this follows in the same vein: Blizzard is really showing their commitment to getting e-Sports off of the ground with StarCraft 2, and I, for one, am very impressed at their actions so far. I think that they deserve some time to get the wrinkles ironed out to ensure that they can create the best tournaments possible, both at home and overseas.
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Blizzard's been a great partner to work with on this.
RE: Player list. Please don't post it yet. We're still awaiting confirmation on a few folks, once that's all final, we'll release the full 64 player list for everyone to see.
On comp specs, Mote posted these for me on MLGpro.com:
The SC2 Pro Circuit tournament will be played on custom built computers with the following specifications:
CPU: Core i5-650 3.20ghz
Memory: 4GB DDR3 1600
GPU: GeForce 9800 GTX+
HDD: 250GB 7200RPM
As a reminder, only USB mice and keyboards may be used.
Source: http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326843
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too bad GomTV tournament will run at the same time, looking forward to the VODs tho : )
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Here's a quote from the page announcing the expansion to 64 players:
Please note that these reputation-based invitations will only be used at MLG Raleigh. All future StarCraft 2 MLG Events will use the standard MLG Pro Circuit points system. The Top 16 players to come out of Raleigh will be issued invitations to the next Event, in D.C., and the remaining passes for that Event will be sold on a first-come, first-serve basis.
What I don't understand is that you guys realized after the fact that doing things on a first come first serve basis, like concert tickets or something, won't bring out the best competition, but you're falling back on this first-come first-serve thing for "all future events". I get that the top 16 players from this competition will be seeded in the next event, and that's cool.. but you'd better be dead on with the 32 people you invite because it sounds like that's the only chance to get actual talent into the series rather than any joe schmo who gets lucky in a 2 minute, 14 second period.
Strategies are constantly evolving, new up and coming stars are being formed every week.. why limit the MLG level of competition to this one-time 32 player invite, and from there on out say "good luck being one of the 16 people (out of thousands clicking 'refresh') to purchase a pass to the next event".
Wouldn't large online qualifiers solve these problems?
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On August 02 2010 18:57 IdrA wrote:sure as hell cant let you win it guess i might have to go after all
I can't tell if this is cute or weird :D
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On August 10 2010 01:37 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 18:57 IdrA wrote:On August 02 2010 13:47 HuK wrote:
pretty sure im coming sure as hell cant let you win it guess i might have to go after all I can't tell if this is cute or weird :D
I think IdrA has a crush on HuK
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Qxc is actually housing with us so I know he's coming =D
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Probably shouldn't say any more than that lol, the MLG guys do a good job on PR and they'll announce the list of whos going when its time. Also seems unlikely that IdrA, regardless of his absolute love for HuK, will show up. I guess he has the choice between MLG Raleigh, WCG USA Finals, ESL Finals, WCG Grand Finals, and MLG DC if he stays in the US for a month or two. Or he can stay in Korea and potentially earn the first place prizes of 4 of those 5 events, multiplied by like 10.
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On August 11 2010 22:29 KillerSOS wrote:
Qxc is actually housing with us so I know he's coming =D
I think I've heard of that guy.
Imagine the next MLG events will be bigger than the 32 they opened with here. The fact that it sold out so fast shows good things - if the event is well attended and watched by a large number of people, it'll only grow.
It's the only way to help with these things - viewer figures are more solid than forums saying it's going to be big. Just make sure you tune in to watch :D
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Guys If you purchased one of the original 32 passes PLEASE check your email and respond! Thank you
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Player and commentator list
Commentators : Day9, JP, HD+Husky
Known players : ajtls, avilo, cauthonluck, drewbie, gretorp, huk, kiwikaki, lzgamer, machine, masq, painuser, qxc, sheth, silver, slush, suggy (sorry if I missed someone)
http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/310920/StarCraft-2-Will-be-Broadcast-Live-in-Raleigh-in-HD-Full-Player-List-Released
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to be honest, you missed quite a few.
so SjoW is coming from Sweden? Very nice
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JP, shouldn't you update the OP ?
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I hope some MLG reps can give some info about spectating.
I read http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295733 but it seems to only be talking about console gaming (halo) and is not updated for starcraft which is completely reasonable considering it's never been in an event before ^^
I've been looking all over the MLG site and the various threads here on teamliquid but I can't seem to find any info on spectating. So here are my questions.
Obviously some (if not all) of the games will be casted online but what about at the venue itself?
How will live spectators be watching the SC2 matches?
Will they only have a chance to see the semi-finals and up or can my friends watch every single game i play?
Also, if i do bring a friend, will they be allowed to be around while we are warming up and stuff? I would hate to bring a friend and then find out that they will have to wander around the event by themselves since i'm going to be playing.
edit: also, are cameras allowed?
Hopefully someone will be able to answer these questions so I can convince some people to buy live passes
Thanks!
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Backpack, I've been to a few MLG events before, so assuming this works like Halo somewhat (bearing in mind things could work differently for SC2), I can probably answer a few of your questions.
Obviously some (if not all) of the games will be casted online but what about at the venue itself?
I would assume that the only games which will be casted will be ones happening on the SC2 'main stage'. That's how it works for Halo - only the main stage is setup for broadcasting/streaming/etc.
How will live spectators be watching the SC2 matches?
Depending on the match, either standing behind a player watching their screen directly (typically the players are roped off from the spectators behind them, though) *or* on some overhead plasma displays *or* (for the main stage, possibly) projected onto a screen.
Will they only have a chance to see the semi-finals and up or can my friends watch every single game i play?
Since all of the playing areas (aside from warm-up stations, possibly) are setup to accommodate spectators, your friends should be able to catch all your matches.
Also, if i do bring a friend, will they be allowed to be around while we are warming up and stuff? I would hate to bring a friend and then find out that they will have to wander around the event by themselves since i'm going to be playing.
No idea. Even if they do end up having to wander because you're in a warm up area (assuming they're separate from the actual playing area and assuming it's players-only), it's still not necessarily a bad thing -- there are a ton of other things to do: other games to watch, free hot pockets/dr pepper/stride gum and such to load up on, free play stations, spectator FFA tournaments, etc.
edit: also, are cameras allowed?
I've brought cameras to every event since 2008.
Hopefully someone will be able to answer these questions so I can convince some people to buy live passes Thanks!
MLG Pro Circuit events are a lot of fun, man. This one, being MLG's 50th, is shaping up to be its largest ever. If ever there was an event to have your friends come and hang out at with you, this'd be the one. That and the fact that spectator pass $$$ goes right back into making MLG SC2 better.
Anyway, hope that helps.
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Thanks Delo, it certainly does make me more optimistic about bringing people along.
Though i would still like some more official info since nobody has been to a SC2 event before
I also have another question though. Do players get free spectator passes? Since SC2 is only the first 2 days will we be able to attend sunday as well, or if we get knocked out the first day can we come the next 2 days?
Thanks again!
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On August 19 2010 05:30 Backpack wrote:Thanks Delo, it certainly does make me more optimistic about bringing people along. Though i would still like some more official info since nobody has been to a SC2 event before I also have another question though. Do players get free spectator passes? Since SC2 is only the first 2 days will we be able to attend sunday as well, or if we get knocked out the first day can we come the next 2 days? Thanks again!
Heh...neither has MLG! :-) They're likely playing this one by ear since this is the first SC2 tournament and will be taking copious notes on what's working, what's not, etc. That said, I'm guessing most of the general MLG event stuff applies, thus my response.
As for players getting spectator passes, my understanding is that your player pass doubles as a spectator pass. I'm 99.9% sure you don't have to get a spectator pass on top of your player pass. Put simply: you should have access to the whole event regardless of your placing or whatnot.
I would add that you should totally attend all 3 days. You'll meet tons of cool people from different competitive communities and, possibly, find yourself cheering players/teams in games you previously didn't follow closely. And the same will likely happen for SC2. There'll be thousands of folks from other communities wanting to learn more about competitive SC, which is pretty cool.
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I want to go~~~ pm me if u wanna go together!!! ROADTRIP FTW!
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Would be kind of funny if SjoW went on to win this after MorroW won the IEM
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On August 22 2010 07:21 greenforest wrote:
I want to go~~~ pm me if u wanna go together!!! ROADTRIP FTW!
You realize this is over 2.5k miles away from ventura, I hope?
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anyone know where to submit mouse driver specs n such? says we have to submit em by tonight, but i see no where to submit
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if you submit a help ticket on the MLG website they should respond fairly quickly
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Is this 100% confirmed for the next MLG (DC) event as well? I live and Maryland and would be so stoked to see someone like qxc play for free.
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On August 24 2010 14:05 fracture wrote:
Is this 100% confirmed for the next MLG (DC) event as well? I live and Maryland and would be so stoked to see someone like qxc play for free.
Yes, it is. You won't be able to attend the event for free, though - spectator passes are $25 (which gives you access for all 3 days).
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TeamLiquid isn't in that top links bar, I notice
Anyway, I hope to see some great SC2 action in DC.
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If halo can be sponsored by mlg, then SCBW or SC2 would certainly fit there too!
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Does anyone know if it's gettin streamed and at what time??
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On July 31 2010 10:48 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 10:09 Grettin wrote:
This is awesome! Can't wait to see IdrA represent CJ Entus in MLG. Hopefully! :o id love to but its not really worth flying to the us to compete with 1 good player and the 30 randoms who got into the que first
If there are 30 random and 1 good player, you have a big shot at the money. 5000 dollars is a lot and we want to see you play. Go for it!
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On August 26 2010 00:36 Daimai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 10:48 IdrA wrote:On July 31 2010 10:09 Grettin wrote:
This is awesome! Can't wait to see IdrA represent CJ Entus in MLG. Hopefully! :o id love to but its not really worth flying to the us to compete with 1 good player and the 30 randoms who got into the que first If there are 30 random and 1 good player, you have a big shot at the money. 5000 dollars is a lot and we want to see you play. Go for it!
There is bigger problems than that. GSL is at the same time with this. Which one would you rather attend?
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Oh, right. I had completely forgot about GSL.
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On August 24 2010 22:45 delo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 14:05 fracture wrote:
Is this 100% confirmed for the next MLG (DC) event as well? I live and Maryland and would be so stoked to see someone like qxc play for free. Yes, it is. You won't be able to attend the event for free, though - spectator passes are $25 (which gives you access for all 3 days).
MLG site says dc spectator passes are free
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On August 26 2010 19:04 fracture wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 22:45 delo wrote:On August 24 2010 14:05 fracture wrote:
Is this 100% confirmed for the next MLG (DC) event as well? I live and Maryland and would be so stoked to see someone like qxc play for free. Yes, it is. You won't be able to attend the event for free, though - spectator passes are $25 (which gives you access for all 3 days). MLG site says dc spectator passes are free
I stand corrected. They've been charging for spectating passes since the 2009 season, so I had assumed that would still be the case for DC. Pretty cool.
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I've got a couple of questions:
Will there be free VODs after the games? Or will they only be available after the whole tournament ends? Or will there be no VODs available at all?
Will there be replays released?
Is there some kind of live update twitter feed or on their homepage or something? I can't find anything (browsing through 200 pages of this thread will probably not yield the same results in a timely fashion).
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On August 28 2010 01:15 heishe wrote:
I've got a couple of questions:
Will there be free VODs after the games? Or will they only be available after the whole tournament ends? Or will there be no VODs available at all?
Will there be replays released?
Is there some kind of live update twitter feed or on their homepage or something? I can't find anything (browsing through 200 pages of this thread will probably not yield the same results in a timely fashion).
If MLG does what they have in the past, VODs will be released in the week or so following the conclusion of the tournament. Lee said replays would be available as well, but I'm not sure when those will be out.
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So, forgive my ignorance here but does anyone have a link to the free stream?
I looked through this thread and the one on the homepage right now and didn't see it. I saw mention of its existence but no link itself...I also looked around MLG and could only find a place to sign up for the HD stream.
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Thanks sir!
Looks like SC2 till 5
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Is the stream working?
Cant connect here...
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Its stuck at "Loading Stream" for me.
Octoshop should be working fine...it worked for me for IEM anyway. Not sure what the deal is.
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Anyone else not able to load it? I have the octoshape and it worked fine for the esl =s
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Its working for me now, apparently the server got crushed.
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A little comment on the commentators.
JP and Day9 have this really solid flow and top notch.
I do love Husky and HD but they are missing a sort of flow that come with JP and Day9, but it's their 1st event together probably getting jitters.
Good work all around, I GOT NOTHING TO DO THIS WEEKEND.
YEAH!!!
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haha supplies joke wins(or fails) again
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Is there a re-stream of the MLG SC event anywhere? The MLG stream doesn't work, even re-installed latest Octoshape and Java. Every game there is awesome right now, can't miss it!
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EPT
