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On July 19 2010 22:23 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 20:17 Mattes wrote:On July 19 2010 20:02 Entropic wrote:
No seriously... HDH and especially Husky don't do any real analysis... they just try to hype up whatever is going on. If that's what you prefer then kudos, but otherwise look elsewhere. And that is bad in what kind of way? In can honestly say, i enjoy Husky much more than HD, even if he might have less knowledge. They both have less knowledge than large numbers of people viewing the stream. When you're casting the game you're supposed to be enlightening the viewers, otherwise you could simply replace their voices with some exciting music. We aren't doing the truely great casters (like Day) justice if we accept that anyone with a microphone and the ability to copy the voice off the 10 O'Clock news can cast Starcraft. Yes it's better than nothing but that's about the biggest praise you can give.
I think Husky + HD are excellent for bringing in new people into the SC2 scene. I didn't get into the beta for quite some time and some day I found Husky casting his very first SC2 games and started watching. I was intrigued and kept watching. Previously I had absolutely no SC:BW experience and never even considered that SC could be so entertaining to watch. Fast forward to today and now I've learned of Day[9] dailies and team liquid itself. I now take SC2 very seriously and look to improve every day. This can all be credited to Husky and HD. Maybe their overall quality and analysis isn't up to Day[9]'s, but I appreciate his commitment because I know it is exposing the esports scene. To say that Husky and HD haven't done anything worthy of respect is pretty ridiculuous.
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Well Masq 2-0 Idra and 2-0 WhiteRa so I dont know if these guys are really the best players. 
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On July 19 2010 22:59 p14c wrote:Well Masq 2-0 Idra and 2-0 WhiteRa so I dont know if these guys are really the best players.
Aren't those just a few games he posted? Or what tourny was that in?
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On July 19 2010 22:23 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 20:17 Mattes wrote:On July 19 2010 20:02 Entropic wrote:
No seriously... HDH and especially Husky don't do any real analysis... they just try to hype up whatever is going on. If that's what you prefer then kudos, but otherwise look elsewhere. And that is bad in what kind of way? In can honestly say, i enjoy Husky much more than HD, even if he might have less knowledge. They both have less knowledge than large numbers of people viewing the stream. When you're casting the game you're supposed to be enlightening the viewers, otherwise you could simply replace their voices with some exciting music. We aren't doing the truely great casters (like Day) justice if we accept that anyone with a microphone and the ability to copy the voice off the 10 O'Clock news can cast Starcraft. Yes it's better than nothing but that's about the biggest praise you can give.
You're a fucking idiot.
When you're doing some kind of post game analysis (like day9 daily) you enlighten the views. when you're casting you provide entertainment. They both have a good voice, can generate some excitement about a game, can keep up with the game, and are fairly entertaining. I don't need a starcraft god analyzing every single thing on the map for me cause I watch replays for fun. Maybe you're different and you watch them for education, in which case that commentary isn't for you. Kinda like a soccer commentator who tells you what's going on instead of analyzing ever shift in a teams formation. How about trying to be grateful for all the things they've done for the community (hosted one of the biggest tournaments in the beta and introduced thousands of people to the game)? Back in BW I only got interested in Starcraft from Husky's heritage league casts. What have you done so far ?
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On July 19 2010 23:01 Baksteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 22:59 p14c wrote:Well Masq 2-0 Idra and 2-0 WhiteRa so I dont know if these guys are really the best players. Aren't those just a few games he posted? Or what tourny was that in?
Insignificant ladder games... Yes, IdrA and WhiteRa sometimes lose ladder games, that doesn't make them ''not the best players''. So sad how many people make conclusions from a couple of datapoints.
Games of yesterday were so cool :D
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man both intotherainbow and TLO's terran was so pristine and up to par... excellent tournament thus far so happy to learn new idea's from these terran players and to SEE that despite the terrans were playing so defensively and harras style their opponents were NOT AT ALL going to bow down to it and showed the community just what you CAN do and HAVE to do in order to counter this with the immortal drop attempts and the DT's etc... great creativeiness to try and stop the turtling terran's although it didn't end up working it it's amazing to see that anything is possible and when a high level player is put into the position where they can't attack head on just what they will come up with for an answer...
really powerfull play tho from the terran as well able to keep up with their opponent completely allowing them map control but able to keep up via EXTREMELY effective harras great great games looking forward to tonights games
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On July 19 2010 22:49 Bairemuth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 22:23 Klive5ive wrote:On July 19 2010 20:17 Mattes wrote:On July 19 2010 20:02 Entropic wrote:
No seriously... HDH and especially Husky don't do any real analysis... they just try to hype up whatever is going on. If that's what you prefer then kudos, but otherwise look elsewhere. And that is bad in what kind of way? In can honestly say, i enjoy Husky much more than HD, even if he might have less knowledge. They both have less knowledge than large numbers of people viewing the stream. When you're casting the game you're supposed to be enlightening the viewers, otherwise you could simply replace their voices with some exciting music. We aren't doing the truely great casters (like Day) justice if we accept that anyone with a microphone and the ability to copy the voice off the 10 O'Clock news can cast Starcraft. Yes it's better than nothing but that's about the biggest praise you can give. I think Husky + HD are excellent for bringing in new people into the SC2 scene. I didn't get into the beta for quite some time and some day I found Husky casting his very first SC2 games and started watching. I was intrigued and kept watching. Previously I had absolutely no SC:BW experience and never even considered that SC could be so entertaining to watch. Fast forward to today and now I've learned of Day[9] dailies and team liquid itself. I now take SC2 very seriously and look to improve every day. This can all be credited to Husky and HD. Maybe their overall quality and analysis isn't up to Day[9]'s, but I appreciate his commitment because I know it is exposing the esports scene. To say that Husky and HD haven't done anything worthy of respect is pretty ridiculuous.
Lucky I didn't say that then.
What they've done so far in terms of production, organisation and quality of matches has been absolutely incredible.
You're story is undoubtably similar to a lot of teamliquid members. But swap HD for Baezzi Vods (no commentary), Klazart Vods, Diggity Vods. They all do a great job of bringing people into the community and should be commended for that.
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Can anyone tell me is TLO really playing as random in this tournament? Or is he terran?
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He is playing Terran. The tournament rules demanded that the sticks to one race per matchup and as he felt confident in TvP recently he decided to stick with it.
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On July 19 2010 23:53 AyJay wrote:
Can anyone tell me is TLO really playing as random in this tournament? Or is he terran?
he does´t play random ... he picks for each match
never saw him play protoss after the hdinv. :D
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can anyone tell me where i can find the day9 netcast banner in a higher resolution?
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Great play from TLO as always, I'm glad he switched to terran. His zerg play is also fun to watch, but playing random at the risk of getting protoss seems to be too much for now 
Dimaga was very disappointing, I have no idea why he wasn't able to play on his usual level, really surprised we didn't see a baneling bust from him^^
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I can't get Intotherainbow vs Dimaga game 2 to work. Is it just me?
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ok, it works now
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On July 20 2010 00:00 LeDuck wrote:Great play from TLO as always, I'm glad he switched to terran. His zerg play is also fun to watch, but playing random at the risk of getting protoss seems to be too much for now Dimaga was very disappointing, I have no idea why he wasn't able to play on his usual level, really surprised we didn't see a baneling bust from him^^
If he just had scouted the banshees I though he would have been fine in the last game.
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Btw anyone else notice that in TLO vs Huk game 2, Day9 comments on a certain hellion harass that it was a total waste as the "8 hellions only killed one probe", while in actuality they killed a zealot, a HT and 6-7 probes.
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On July 19 2010 19:47 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 19:13 ChickenLips wrote:
i also think the games should be live casted (without a stream) and recorded and then streamed at a later date. With the HDH we could really see the commentators get excited whereas i found Day9 to be lacking in the enthusiasm department, merely describing what was going on. they start yelling to cover up the fact that they dont know whats going on listen to what he says instead of how loudly he says it and you'll find day is a million times more enjoyable to listen to.
Fucking epic quote. Much <3 to IdrA.
Anyway, I don't get why people are calling TLO creative. He got popular when he was doing nukes and stuff in the early Beta stages. But even then, he said he cannot promise more of that because I'm sure most people are aware of gimmicky strategies now. I still think he is a good player, but people need to let his hype die down. It is all carried over from when he was first popular, now he is just a normal good player.
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We don't see mass BC's from many other normal good players afair.
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On July 20 2010 01:04 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 19:47 IdrA wrote:On July 19 2010 19:13 ChickenLips wrote:
i also think the games should be live casted (without a stream) and recorded and then streamed at a later date. With the HDH we could really see the commentators get excited whereas i found Day9 to be lacking in the enthusiasm department, merely describing what was going on. they start yelling to cover up the fact that they dont know whats going on listen to what he says instead of how loudly he says it and you'll find day is a million times more enjoyable to listen to. Fucking epic quote. Much <3 to IdrA. Anyway, I don't get why people are calling TLO creative. He got popular when he was doing nukes and stuff in the early Beta stages. But even then, he said he cannot promise more of that because I'm sure most people are aware of gimmicky strategies now. I still think he is a good player, but people need to let his hype die down. It is all carried over from when he was first popular, now he is just a normal good player.
Now thats just not true. Just a normal good player cannot compete with these high profiles and wouldnt be invited to tournaments, consistently.
Creativity in SC is not using units that are not used frequently. Its mostly the timing and the unit combination that makes the opponent feel uncomfortable. There is not doubt in anyone's mind that he is really creative in that sense and he wins with it.
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Why the fuck does each and every thread have to turn into a competition between HD, Husky and Day9.It's getting old... fast.
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Anyway, I don't get why people are calling TLO creative. He got popular when he was doing nukes and stuff in the early Beta stages. But even then, he said he cannot promise more of that because I'm sure most people are aware of gimmicky strategies now. I still think he is a good player, but people need to let his hype die down. It is all carried over from when he was first popular, now he is just a normal good player.
If you watch a lot of his games, you'll notice that he's always trying out new builds / variations and doesn't stick to the usual established builds. For example, the first replays from him that I watched, he was using several Planetary Fortresses, as zerg he went for mass queen, as protoss he did a colossus drop. As terran he likes to use the supply drop instead of mules so his build is a little bit more smooth or just builds a command center + orbital command in his base for extra mules. Sure, he wasn't the first one that did stuff like that, but it is his unusual playstyle that makes his games very enjoyable to watch.
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