EPTAnd TLO's game sense is just awesome. More often than not, his timing with his harass, banshee movement and army movement was just so on the dot, it was scary.
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Happy.fairytail
United States327 Posts
And TLO's game sense is just awesome. More often than not, his timing with his harass, banshee movement and army movement was just so on the dot, it was scary. | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
On July 19 2010 12:48 reza wrote: you're asking me how many people sit back and turtle with 15 siege tanks at their choke..rendering the enemies ground force useless ..and than pump out 8-10 BC's from two starports?? Really? Is that what creative is nowadays? So what is 'creative' to you? | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
??? if you let 5 vultures into your mineral line and kill half your probes 7 minutes in, in bw, the same outcome would occur True, but there's other aspects to it, like if you go early robo, Banshees will make your life hell, if you commit to any tech tree really, it feels like the terran almost automatically pulls out something that's really really cost-efficient, and when you consider Mules, it really lets Terran stay on 1 base more effectively than Protoss. | ||
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thesage42
Sweden13 Posts
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Bairemuth
United States404 Posts
On July 19 2010 12:44 reza wrote: Thats fine..but i'm just saying the game wasn't epic..or good by any measures..it was actually really bad and lopsided. I didn't see any creativity whatsoever, the micro/macro was fine but ..creative...no. I kind of agree. TLO obviously had an early advantage due to probe killing and thus simply compounded his advantage by not taking risks or making mistakes. He had an early econ lead through harass thus was able to camp up with siege tanks and make some BCs to push with. It was a very smart move and probably the best move. The game was never close at any moment of time, therefore, overall it wasn't really an epic game. It was, however, very well played by TLO. | ||
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Combine
United States812 Posts
Can't wait to see the rest. | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
Too early to answer that..but it definitely isn't turtling in base. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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reza
Canada213 Posts
On July 19 2010 12:50 Bairemuth wrote: I kind of agree. TLO obviously had an early advantage due to probe killing and thus simply compounded his advantage by not taking risks or making mistakes. He had an early econ lead through harass thus was able to camp up with siege tanks and make some BCs to push with. It was a very smart move and probably the best move. The game was never close at any moment of time, therefore, overall it wasn't really an epic game. It was, however, very well played by TLO. This is what i'm trying to say.. Its not the players i have a problem with..but with the fanboys. The game was entertaining i'm not going to lie..but in terms of creativity I do not agree at all. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
On July 19 2010 12:42 Kiarip wrote: He had some marines and vikings though. Just seems like you need to have everything as Toss, because yes, void rays would have been great, but if those get scanned TLO just gets more marines, and he already has stim, and some vikings... same with phoenixes, I do think they'd be a stronger option in this scenario, but Phoenixes need either Colossi or chargelots to be useful against terrans in a straight up fight, and that's just a lot of tech trees that the protoss needs to go down. After Huk had already lost, TLO had marines and vikings. Huk needed Stargate units much earlier. And he didn't need many - even presuming he goes Robo-first, a Void Ray to accompany the Immortal drop + a Phoenix (later) to kill TLO's air would have defeated this build. What Huk did not need was a pile of Zealot/Stalker/Senty-->Colossus. | ||
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Mattes
Germany1116 Posts
On July 19 2010 12:48 reza wrote: you're asking me how many people sit back and turtle with 15 siege tanks at their choke..rendering the enemies ground force useless ..and than pump out 8-10 BC's from two starports?? Really? Is that what creative is nowadays? Nah, its how you win such kind of games nowadays. And at the very least, thats what its about, isnt it? Winning the whole thing. And given that fact, sure, often most terran turle like that, but how many go mass bc and win, especially in such high class tournaments, with that kind of competetion. on a sidenote: @sean: we germans sure hate those probes >:// | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
On July 19 2010 12:44 reza wrote: Thats fine..but i'm just saying the game wasn't epic..or good by any measures..it was actually really bad and lopsided. I didn't see any creativity whatsoever, the micro/macro was fine but ..creative...no. The micro/macro was 'fine'? If that's fine, what's 'good', or 'great'? 'The game wasn't epic or good by any measure'? o.O. I can't even wrap my head around that. It really must suck to not be able to enjoy amazing games like these. | ||
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Brokengamer
Philippines116 Posts
On July 19 2010 12:41 reza wrote: 3 very bad games, and one so so game. So i get banned from day9 room because of my opinions on TLO and his fanboys. Game 2 was not a good game. It was entertaining i will agree. He had a distinctive advantage with his hellion harass midgame..and had a ground army that would have rolled through Huk's ground force.. instead he decided to sit back and flip on his 'creative' switch and pump out BC's..and win by fighting lopsided battles...Anyways looking forward to see idra play. You think TLO switched to BC's just to be cool huh? You do not seem to understand the impact BC's have over TvP.. MnM gets crushed by storms/collosi, mech gets stomped by chargelots/immortals/blink... but BC's with yamato has no easy protoss counters. He turtled his way into getting them, it was a legit tactic not a darn ''gimmick''. | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
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chieftan
United States62 Posts
On July 19 2010 12:51 reza wrote: Too early to answer that..but it definitely isn't turtling in base. Let me get this straight: you didn't like the games because they weren't 'creative' enough? mass archons, bc's, and amazing hellion harass against protoss aren't creative enough for you? you obviously are trolling. I'll take a wild guess and say that you were supporting HuK, being from Canada, and that you are upset HuK's tier 1 massing fails against top competition. TLO had no option but to turtle in his base on Steppes. if he moved out, and his tanks were caught even slightly out of position, HuK's immortals and archons would have torn him apart. TLO had no option but to get tanks and harass with hellions, because HuK will simply mass tier 1 off of a proxy. Feel free to share your opinion, but if your opinion is retarded, please keep it to yourself. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On July 19 2010 12:53 reza wrote: This is what i'm trying to say.. Its not the players i have a problem with..but with the fanboys. The game was entertaining i'm not going to lie..but in terms of creativity I do not agree at all. In most peoples eyes an entertaining game = a good game. I think that would be obvious. | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
On July 19 2010 12:59 nihlon wrote: In most peoples eyes an entertaining game = a good game. I think that would be obvious. No thats not always true. | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
On July 19 2010 12:58 chieftan wrote: Let me get this straight: you didn't like the games because they weren't 'creative' enough? mass archons, bc's, and amazing hellion harass against protoss aren't creative enough for you? you obviously are trolling. I'll take a wild guess and say that you were supporting HuK, being from Canada, and that you are upset HuK's tier 1 massing fails against top competition. TLO had no option but to turtle in his base on Steppes. if he moved out, and his tanks were caught even slightly out of position, HuK's immortals and archons would have torn him apart. TLO had no option but to get tanks and harass with hellions, because HuK will simply mass tier 1 off of a proxy. Feel free to share your opinion, but if your opinion is retarded, please keep it to yourself. read the first line and I decided to stop. I never said i didn't enjoy the game..re read what i wrote. I said the game was entertaining but they weren't good games by any measure. | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
Yes, it is always true. In >MOST< people's eyes an entertaining game = a good game. If you don't think an entertaining game is a good one, you are one of those that fall outside of >MOST<. | ||
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