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ccdnl
Profile Joined April 2010
United States611 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-01 20:35:25
June 01 2010 20:34 GMT
#2881
Was anyone else as bored as I was at the hackneyed Bane/Lings ZvZ play?

On the Maka-Check side: I really enjoyed Maka's T play especially that double Bunker thing
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Keyser
Profile Joined May 2010
102 Posts
June 01 2010 20:41 GMT
#2882
Any idea if the replays of this event will ever be released?
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 01 2010 21:12 GMT
#2883
On June 02 2010 02:29 Three wrote:
I dont understand why cool didn't play the 6 vs 16 pool again if he thought it was "win 100%" even when scouted on desert oasis...


Getting your build scouted isnt nearly as bad as your opponent knowing that you are about to play that build.
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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
June 01 2010 21:22 GMT
#2884
On June 02 2010 06:12 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2010 02:29 Three wrote:
I dont understand why cool didn't play the 6 vs 16 pool again if he thought it was "win 100%" even when scouted on desert oasis...


Getting your build scouted isnt nearly as bad as your opponent knowing that you are about to play that build.

what good is knowing that if u cant make adjustmenets?
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ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 01 2010 21:47 GMT
#2885
On June 02 2010 06:22 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2010 06:12 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 02 2010 02:29 Three wrote:
I dont understand why cool didn't play the 6 vs 16 pool again if he thought it was "win 100%" even when scouted on desert oasis...


Getting your build scouted isnt nearly as bad as your opponent knowing that you are about to play that build.

what good is knowing that if u cant make adjustmenets?


He can make some minor adjustments and he can mentally prepare for the incoming zerglings.

I rooted for Dimaga for the entire tourney but that instant dc right upon seeing the zerglings was just pure cheating in my opinion. I really hated that move, he should've just tried to fend it off as good as possible and if Cool won, then he deserves the title. What f*cking bad sportmanship.

Yeah yeah, he had some connection problems before but those don't say anything at all, he could've prepared for his "joker-disconnect", of course it can't be proven that it was intentional, but in my opinion it could not have been more obvious.
If it hadn't been the set game, I think the referee would (should!) have given Cool the win.

Dimaga is known for doing shady stuff to improve his results and that d/c was just ... blerghh.
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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
June 01 2010 22:00 GMT
#2886
not only are you completely out of line for assuming he disconnected on purpose, which he did not, but you're also wrong that he would have lost that game. go ahead and test it out, his 16 pool would have defended that just fine because of the long desert oasis rush distance. that and the fact that overlords always get there in time to see a fast pool is why dimaga opts to try for FE (he was moving drone, but sent back when he saw zerglings pop)

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pat777
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-01 22:50:41
June 01 2010 22:29 GMT
#2887
On June 02 2010 06:47 ChickenLips wrote:
Yeah yeah, he had some connection problems before but those don't say anything at all, he could've prepared for his "joker-disconnect", of course it can't be proven that it was intentional, but in my opinion it could not have been more obvious.
If it hadn't been the set game, I think the referee would (should!) have given Cool the win.

Dimaga is known for doing shady stuff to improve his results and that d/c was just ... blerghh.

Agreed. At least Cool still won in the end and the following games were good.
On June 02 2010 07:00 Zelniq wrote:
you're also wrong that he would have lost that game. go ahead and test it out, his 16 pool would have defended that just fine because of the long desert oasis rush distance. that and the fact that overlords always get there in time to see a fast pool is why dimaga opts to try for FE (he was moving drone, but sent back when he saw zerglings pop)

Really? I want to hear other people's opinions on this. I don't think my tests would accurately simulate the situation.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
June 01 2010 22:52 GMT
#2888
On June 02 2010 07:29 pat777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2010 06:47 ChickenLips wrote:
Yeah yeah, he had some connection problems before but those don't say anything at all, he could've prepared for his "joker-disconnect", of course it can't be proven that it was intentional, but in my opinion it could not have been more obvious.
If it hadn't been the set game, I think the referee would (should!) have given Cool the win.

Dimaga is known for doing shady stuff to improve his results and that d/c was just ... blerghh.

Agreed. At least Cool still won in the end and the following games were good.
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2010 07:00 Zelniq wrote:
you're also wrong that he would have lost that game. go ahead and test it out, his 16 pool would have defended that just fine because of the long desert oasis rush distance. that and the fact that overlords always get there in time to see a fast pool is why dimaga opts to try for FE (he was moving drone, but sent back when he saw zerglings pop)

Really? I want to hear other people's opinions on this. I don't think my tests would accurately simulate the situation.

...... have you played on desert oasis before?
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Bane_
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-02 01:35:14
June 01 2010 23:10 GMT
#2889
On June 02 2010 07:00 Zelniq wrote:
not only are you completely out of line for assuming he disconnected on purpose, which he did not, but you're also wrong that he would have lost that game. go ahead and test it out, his 16 pool would have defended that just fine because of the long desert oasis rush distance. that and the fact that overlords always get there in time to see a fast pool is why dimaga opts to try for FE (he was moving drone, but sent back when he saw zerglings pop)



It wasn't just him thinking that Zelniq. Right when it happened you could tell that is exactly what was on [a lot of] peoples' minds; here in this thread, in Forsti's irc channel and even the way Forsti was talking in the stream. I've not seen the Chinese coverage yet but I can imagine there was a similar "wtf!" moment.

Edit - It was not my intention to suggest that's how everyone thought, merely that there was a pretty strong reaction due to the unfortunate timing of the d/c.
XiMeAoW
Profile Joined May 2010
United States13 Posts
June 01 2010 23:17 GMT
#2890
Great Tournament, really enjoy watching it.
rhap
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil136 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-01 23:23:46
June 01 2010 23:21 GMT
#2891
On June 02 2010 07:00 Zelniq wrote:
not only are you completely out of line for assuming he disconnected on purpose, which he did not, but you're also wrong that he would have lost that game. go ahead and test it out, his 16 pool would have defended that just fine because of the long desert oasis rush distance. that and the fact that overlords always get there in time to see a fast pool is why dimaga opts to try for FE (he was moving drone, but sent back when he saw zerglings pop)


Yeah, I've the same impression as yours.

It's awesome how people try to take away the bright of DIMAGA's games by saying he disconnected by purpose. I've seen DIMAGA lagging in many games and tourneys, even matches he was winning. Last weekend he was lagging against Satiini in ZOTAC final, but he just wanted to end the games fast due to that and went for all-in strats. It's obvious he's got internet problem sometimes.

What I found more funny than DIMAGA's disconnect was the fact that Cool had to try a cheese strat twice. That's what I call of "fear of your opponent".

Once again, great show by DIMAGA.
epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
June 01 2010 23:31 GMT
#2892
pull za plug nao!!
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-02 00:16:48
June 01 2010 23:56 GMT
#2893
On June 02 2010 08:21 rhap wrote:
It's awesome how people try to take away the bright of DIMAGA's games by saying he disconnected by purpose. I've seen DIMAGA lagging in many games and tourneys, even matches he was winning. Last weekend he was lagging against Satiini in ZOTAC final, but he just wanted to end the games fast due to that and went for all-in strats. It's obvious he's got internet problem sometimes.

What I found more funny than DIMAGA's disconnect was the fact that Cool had to try a cheese strat twice. That's what I call of "fear of your opponent".

Show me some quotes of people saying he disconnected on purpose? Maybe I missed them but I don't see such claims. At most people keep the possibility open which is fine though probably not the case. Please stop posting such non-sense.

What I find funny is that you call something designed to beat his opponent cheese instead of a smart move. Once you get a feel for your opponents builds and you open with something designed to beat what you think he will do, that's strategically a great play and not something you should downgrade so easily and put it aside under the calling of fear of your opponent. I'm tired of repeating this in every topic. It goes for my series against Gerrard as well I've seen people discredit his wins by calling them cheese whereas all his strategies were tailor made to beat mine. It's a ridiculous attitude. If anything I found his early pool on Steppes a great move it definitely caught Dimaga off guard.
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Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
June 02 2010 00:06 GMT
#2894
It was great matchup!!
I hope they can continue this World Cup next year!
Hopefully cross-realm issue can solve wisely though.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-02 00:14:34
June 02 2010 00:10 GMT
#2895
On June 02 2010 08:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2010 08:21 rhap wrote:
On June 02 2010 07:00 Zelniq wrote:
not only are you completely out of line for assuming he disconnected on purpose, which he did not, but you're also wrong that he would have lost that game. go ahead and test it out, his 16 pool would have defended that just fine because of the long desert oasis rush distance. that and the fact that overlords always get there in time to see a fast pool is why dimaga opts to try for FE (he was moving drone, but sent back when he saw zerglings pop)


It's awesome how people try to take away the bright of DIMAGA's games by saying he disconnected by purpose. I've seen DIMAGA lagging in many games and tourneys, even matches he was winning. Last weekend he was lagging against Satiini in ZOTAC final, but he just wanted to end the games fast due to that and went for all-in strats. It's obvious he's got internet problem sometimes.

What I found more funny than DIMAGA's disconnect was the fact that Cool had to try a cheese strat twice. That's what I call of "fear of your opponent".

Show me some quotes of people saying he disconnected on purpose? Maybe I missed them but I don't see such claims. At most people keep the possibility open which is fine though probably not the case. Please stop posting such non-sense.

What I find funny is that you call something designed to beat his opponent cheese instead of a smart move. Once you get a feel for your opponents builds and you open with something designed to beat what you think he will do, that's strategically a great play and not something you should downgrade so easily and put it aside under the calling of fear of your opponent. I'm tired of repeating this in every topic. It goes for my series against Gerrard as well I've seen people discredit his wins by calling them cheese whereas all his strategies were tailor made to beat mine. It's a ridiculous attitude. If anything I found his early pool on Steppes a great move it definitely caught Dimaga off guard.


On June 02 2010 06:47 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2010 06:22 Sfydjklm wrote:
On June 02 2010 06:12 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 02 2010 02:29 Three wrote:
I dont understand why cool didn't play the 6 vs 16 pool again if he thought it was "win 100%" even when scouted on desert oasis...


Getting your build scouted isnt nearly as bad as your opponent knowing that you are about to play that build.

what good is knowing that if u cant make adjustmenets?


He can make some minor adjustments and he can mentally prepare for the incoming zerglings.

I rooted for Dimaga for the entire tourney but that instant dc right upon seeing the zerglings was just pure cheating in my opinion. I really hated that move, he should've just tried to fend it off as good as possible and if Cool won, then he deserves the title. What f*cking bad sportmanship.

Yeah yeah, he had some connection problems before but those don't say anything at all, he could've prepared for his "joker-disconnect", of course it can't be proven that it was intentional, but in my opinion it could not have been more obvious.
If it hadn't been the set game, I think the referee would (should!) have given Cool the win.

Dimaga is known for doing shady stuff to improve his results and that d/c was just ... blerghh.


I think that is a little more than "keeping the possibility open". I agree with your other points though.
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 02 2010 00:18 GMT
#2896
I agree but he talks as if there are loads of people claiming this. If it's just one person address him directly and don't make it sound like half the forum is making statements like this by using terms such as "people".
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
June 02 2010 00:24 GMT
#2897
Meh, it's probably just a coincidence - but the suspicion is understandable given the timing of the disconnect. If Dimaga 6-pooled, Cool 16-pooled, and disconnected the moment he saw Dimaga's zerglings, I'm fairly sure people would be singing the opposite tune. Fact of the matter is, it was a terribly timed disconnect and that's just the way it is. It's one reason certain online tournaments punish disconnects with straight-up losses, but of course doing so for this tournament would've not worked given the nature of BNET and cross-regional latency.
rich_kane
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-02 00:45:03
June 02 2010 00:44 GMT
#2898
On June 02 2010 06:47 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2010 06:22 Sfydjklm wrote:
On June 02 2010 06:12 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 02 2010 02:29 Three wrote:
I dont understand why cool didn't play the 6 vs 16 pool again if he thought it was "win 100%" even when scouted on desert oasis...


Getting your build scouted isnt nearly as bad as your opponent knowing that you are about to play that build.

what good is knowing that if u cant make adjustmenets?


He can make some minor adjustments and he can mentally prepare for the incoming zerglings.

I rooted for Dimaga for the entire tourney but that instant dc right upon seeing the zerglings was just pure cheating in my opinion. I really hated that move, he should've just tried to fend it off as good as possible and if Cool won, then he deserves the title. What f*cking bad sportmanship.

Yeah yeah, he had some connection problems before but those don't say anything at all, he could've prepared for his "joker-disconnect", of course it can't be proven that it was intentional, but in my opinion it could not have been more obvious.
If it hadn't been the set game, I think the referee would (should!) have given Cool the win.

Dimaga is known for doing shady stuff to improve his results and that d/c was just ... blerghh.


Dimaga didn't dc because of the 7 pool, he might have been able to survive with his drones, he pulled the plug because he accidentaly canceled his spawning pool which makes me hate him, anyone can make a mistake just say gg and take it. However Dimaga decided to dc and be a jerk, I wanted him to win so europe could win the chinese tourny however the moment he DCed and basicaly cheated because he made a mistake he became the biggest loser and most despised player in sc2.
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epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
June 02 2010 00:55 GMT
#2899
Yeah there was not a single person who didn't think he DC'd on purpose while watching it live in #forsti.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
June 02 2010 01:02 GMT
#2900
On June 02 2010 09:55 epik640x wrote:
Yeah there was not a single person who didn't think he DC'd on purpose while watching it live in #forsti.


Maybe "all people posting".

@rich_kane: When did he cancel the sp? I didn't see it in the VOD.

Also Dimaga did lag for a few seconds about a minute before the dc. Not proof one way or another, but if there had been any other player, I doubt people would be as suspicious. (warranted or not)
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