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On Thursday 8th April, ESL TV will be bringing you a special NationWar in Starcraft II. Germany will take on Ukraine in six 1v1 games and a 2v2. The games will include legendary names from Warcraft III such as miou and HasuObs alongside well known StarCraft players such as Mondragon, White-Ra and Strelok.
The show will be broadcast in German from 17:00 CET and you can see on the schedule below which matches will be show from the war.
All the action will be brought to you by four casters in the form of Florian "Sonic" Larue, Phil "FiLLy" Klockow, Dennis "TaKe" Gehlen and mTws Silvano "NarutO" Bovo.
On the show they will also raffle away an adidas ESL hoodie!
You can watch all the action live at http://tv.esl.eu You can find the program HERE
1on1 Matches
- Mondragon vs. White-Ra (shown on ESL TV) - TheLittleOne vs. Bly - Socke vs. Strelok (shown on ESL TV) - HoRRoR vs. Kas - HasuObs vs. dimaga (shown on ESL TV) - miou vs. Snake
2on2 Matches
- Socke & pLaGuE vs. Ukraine (lineup tbd) (shown on ESL TV)
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Please guys, show us TheLittleOne vs. Bly instead of HasuObs vs. Dimaga.
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at the moment free stream is not available
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On April 08 2010 01:58 Slunk wrote: Please guys, show us TheLittleOne vs. Bly instead of HasuObs vs. Dimaga. bly isnt good tbh:D well i mean not on the Radio/Hasuobs/Dimaga level obv hes good enough to make it on the team etC:D
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On April 08 2010 01:58 Slunk wrote: Please guys, show us TheLittleOne vs. Bly instead of HasuObs vs. Dimaga. i think it would be better not to show socke vs strelok but both of these games
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On April 08 2010 02:11 imperator-xy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 01:58 Slunk wrote: Please guys, show us TheLittleOne vs. Bly instead of HasuObs vs. Dimaga. i think it would be better not to show socke vs strelok but both of these games agreed.
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ESL picked 3 matches where Ukraine is the favourite
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gonna be fun and very close I guess.
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oh come on man the little one has to be getting tv time
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On April 08 2010 02:13 TBO wrote:ESL picked 3 matches where Ukraine is the favourite 
Dunno, a few weeks back I would have agreed but Mondragon has been putting some work in. So I think its pretty even matches with perhaps DIMAGA having a slight edge on HasuObs.
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On April 08 2010 02:11 imperator-xy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 01:58 Slunk wrote: Please guys, show us TheLittleOne vs. Bly instead of HasuObs vs. Dimaga. i think it would be better not to show socke vs strelok but both of these games
Yeah, you are right. Also, it could be that HasuObs is playing actually from their studio, so it would be kinda weird not to show his match. In that case I will hope Hasu has some sexy builds prepared like last time.
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hey guys,
it doesnt mean we dont switch into the other games ! we have 4 caster and will be in both games that means we do have a little conferent if thier is a big fight or another game is really nice we switch it : ) you can always be around in irc for example server quakenet #esl.tv and mention what game you would like to watch now or for example write comments on tv.esl.eu. i would love to show you the games you wanna watch most 
Socke will be in our studio and play live from thier thats we wanna FOR SURE show his game  Hasuobs cant be around this time - but he will be around the next time.
Best regards !
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It's in german so it wont be very interesting for non germans.
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wow, Socke and Plague is an extremely oldschool 2v2-team and germany always wins the 2v2
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On April 08 2010 08:00 archaik wrote: It's in german so it wont be very interesting for non germans. for those non-germans who can understand german it will be 
btw I don't understand the need for comments like that given this is a nation war with team germany in it
edit: of course I forgot to mention those people who enjoy watching good games even without understanding the commentary, this is tl.net after all
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That banner is weak. I made you a better one. Please use this instead:
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On April 08 2010 11:10 Trozz wrote:That banner is weak .I made you a better one. Please use this instead:
Why on earth did you link the banner image in a period. I caught that by accident, so random.
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Good to see another nice matchs~
What?! TLO is not on the stream?!!!! come on! ESL stream viewer would be triple higher if u put TLO's games on stream,
btw: do we get the rep pack afterward?
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On April 08 2010 18:40 PeterDoe wrote: Good to see another nice matchs~
What?! TLO is not on the stream?!!!! come on! ESL stream viewer would be triple higher if u put TLO's games on stream,
btw: do we get the rep pack afterward?
we will post the rep pack as soon as the games are over on instarcraft.de/bw.de, so don´t be afraid, you will get it
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gonna be some nice matches, really looking forward to seeing Mondi and Socke play
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Lets see how Z's are going to do
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On April 08 2010 11:10 Trozz wrote:That banner is weak .I made you a better one. Please use this instead: That banner is really weak too T_T
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On April 08 2010 23:56 iCCup.deL wrote:Yah srry T_T just annoyed me how he criticised that guy's efforts when he put zero effort in himself.
 i like your banner..so if u get bored later can u make me a nice sc2 wallpaper ?! xD
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The only stream I can find is here: http://tv.esl.eu/de/ and it's really low quality. Is there another option?
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On April 09 2010 00:10 gogogadgetflow wrote:The only stream I can find is here: http://tv.esl.eu/de/ and it's really low quality. Is there another option? you can pay and get premium stream
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yeah, seems to be the only one available. -.- only thing i can think of is waiting for the replays and then get it casted by someone.
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On April 08 2010 23:56 iCCup.deL wrote:Yah srry T_T just annoyed me how he criticised that guy's efforts when he put zero effort in himself. as opposed to the extreme length of choosing a funky font u went to?
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White-Ra takes Round 1 over Mandragon.
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I bet both Ukraine and Germany would beat Belarus
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On April 09 2010 00:21 iCCup.deL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 00:16 Sfydjklm wrote:On April 08 2010 23:56 iCCup.deL wrote:On April 08 2010 23:54 zurg wrote: yay banner fights ! Yah srry T_T just annoyed me how he criticised that guy's efforts when he put zero effort in himself. as opposed to the extreme length of choosing a funky font u went to? a small effort > zero effort; no need to get ridiculous and put in an hours work but when he's putting someone else's efforts down he can't offer My First Banner 101 in exchange. there is a difference between manner and attention whoring. Posting your banner is fine. Calling him out is fine. Posting your banner and then claiming you're a holy crusader against banner wars is attention whoring.
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you kids are fucking spoiled. This is just about how SC2 looks on my computer
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watching a Z vs P any result or is the 1st game?
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1-1 now between Mondragon and White-Ra
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what about that ZvT? who played in it?
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so which one of those is Take, i tried to go by the clue Demuslim gave us, but they all seem to have excessive amounts of hair gel.
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is Bo3 all matches ^ ^ thx
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whos playing ZvT? so bad quality i cant see names
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nothing more are streaming Germany v Ukraine
+ Show Spoiler +This is just about how SC2 looks on my computer
You computer suck lol
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On April 09 2010 00:33 iCCup.deL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 00:23 Sfydjklm wrote:On April 09 2010 00:21 iCCup.deL wrote:On April 09 2010 00:16 Sfydjklm wrote:On April 08 2010 23:56 iCCup.deL wrote:On April 08 2010 23:54 zurg wrote: yay banner fights ! Yah srry T_T just annoyed me how he criticised that guy's efforts when he put zero effort in himself. as opposed to the extreme length of choosing a funky font u went to? a small effort > zero effort; no need to get ridiculous and put in an hours work but when he's putting someone else's efforts down he can't offer My First Banner 101 in exchange. there is a difference between manner and attention whoring. Posting your banner is fine. Calling him out is fine. Posting your banner and then claiming you're a holy crusader against banner wars is attention whoring. Yeah I can tell by all the people responding to my post explaining why his post annoyed me. Also I find it best to try and get attention from threads with only 1500 views and only 2 pages of responses when the event is live. Maybe next time I should lie about why I made a post so I don't offend anyone. Big facepalm. Since you're clearly not even attempting to comprehend what i said ill just leave it at this: Next time you decide to call someone's effort out make sure the work you post as a response is at least in some way superior to the person youre trying to disrespect. Or youll just look silly.
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I'm using ESL TV Premium ^-^ watchin in HQ. Cost about 6 bucks for a month.
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Results after 3/6 Games (+1 2on2 not yet played): + Show Spoiler +Germany vs Ukraine 1-2 TLO vs PM.bly 2-0 HoRRoR vs Kas 0-2 Mondragon vs WhiteRa 1-2
next game: socke vs strelok
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can s1 tell me what matchups did TLO play?
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On April 09 2010 00:52 Geo.Rion wrote: can s1 tell me what matchups did TLO play? pvz x2
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On April 08 2010 20:39 iDfyU wrote:![[image loading]](http://starcraft2.ingame.de/forum/images/smilies/smiley_wmfahne.gif)
Don't do that. Germans showing too much national pride still freaks people out.
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On April 09 2010 00:41 Sfydjklm wrote: Big facepalm. Since you're clearly not even attempting to comprehend what i said ill just leave it at this: Next time you decide to call someone's effort out make sure the work you post as a response is at least in some way superior to the person youre trying to disrespect. Or youll just look silly. I'd maybe comprehend it better if you weren't mashing the keyboard with whatever first comes into your head. You talk about attention whoring when I am clearly just having a conversation with zurg, and then I'm a holy crusader AGAINST banner wars which still makes no sense seeing I was apparently IN a 'banner war'.
Anyway I feel my banner looks more effective than his and more thought and effort went into it - and while I was trying to be modest about it (his is obviously a lazy banner, I was just providing an alternative like he did) you keep making a big deal and now I am having to make fun of his more than I was initially doing... He didn't really use any effects or alter the logos or background, this is what mine would look like using the same effort as his:
http://i39.tinypic.com/11ukhuq.jpg
Continue by PM if you want to explain yourself...
ON TOPIC
Ukraine doing better than I thought, though I thought they would win.
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Ukraine hwaiting!
+ Show Spoiler +Just kidding, I just want to see Mondi vs White-Ra
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On April 08 2010 23:48 iCCup.deL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 11:10 Trozz wrote:That banner is weak .I made you a better one. Please use this instead: That banner is really weak too T_T Hopefully this looks better:
effort does not equal better.
his banner looks wayyyyy better than yours deL.
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One more comment about this stupid banner stuff is a temp-ban.
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On April 09 2010 00:53 FortuneSyn wrote:Don't do that. Germans showing too much national pride still freaks people out. the most freaked out people were germans, good thing is, it changed a bit after soccer world cup in germany.
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Is there any other german having problems standing the commentary or is it just me? Maybe I am too old or it's a language issue, but it's really hard for me to respect them.
Socke vs Strelok standings: + Show Spoiler +
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look at those handsome nerds
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On April 09 2010 00:53 FortuneSyn wrote:Don't do that. Germans showing too much national pride still freaks people out. Oh, you must have missed the World Cup 2006 then.
![[image loading]](http://starcraft2.ingame.de/forum/images/smilies/smiley_wmfahne.gif)
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socke 2-0 strelok
yea it is live right now
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On April 09 2010 01:18 BC.KoRn wrote: is it on now? Yes
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Oh my god this Dimaga match is fucking intense!!!! GO ZERG
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what a hell of some armys
broodlords and storm is insanely strong
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wow hasuobs vs dimaga is just an endless battle
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Great, great game and I am watching it on low quality stream, damit. I gotta buy premium ESL account if they continue doing these great events, just... Ger cast makes me sad. :S
They really really really should consider making stream with English commentary, at least for Premium users.
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Dimaga should go for an insane drop but he is too busy macroing everything hehe
AND WHY THEY HAVE GERMAN CASTERS :S!!! it should be in english, a lot of countries don't speak german in europe, america and asia.
wtf ESL.
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ULTRASSSSSS Damn this games intense
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i feel there will be an absolute epic huge battle in a short time
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yo mommaship so fat, you dont need to wallin!
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zerg's macro is just so silly
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On April 09 2010 01:57 sashkata wrote: Is it over? Nope!!!! Dimaga has like 6-7 bases
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a very very epic game indeed :D
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what an sick match, hasu and dimaga have insane play
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ultralisks sux so bad... full upgrade and still sux
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lol hasuobs switching to carriers :D
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zerg get troops really fast, hard for protoss to get out.
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20 min 7 bases vs 4 and he cant end it
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On April 09 2010 02:02 lorgoth wrote:20 min 7 bases vs 4 and he cant end it 
sad lategame balance for protoss
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but hasuobs is going to dry out
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Best Match of the fucking beta right there!!!
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On April 09 2010 01:58 KhAlleB wrote: zerg's macro is just so silly this + lol from toss players who cried when they nerfed storm
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i can't see how protoss can get out of this containe :/
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he shouldnt. commone whole game 2x more bases too zerg and he cant crush protoss using all units he has in his arsenal (much more borring than protoss ones)
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protoss has more mass attacks like storm and those lasers from collosus
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A bit boring imo--seems like DIMAGA should just sac a 200/200 army and come up with another one in 30 secs, long before hasu could make so many units again. But hey, he won in the end
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The protoss endgame army is insanely strong O_o. I did not expect this match to take this long . Very nice game tho
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exelent game to hasuobs but he had to expand more and harass. GOGO hasuobs I want to see 3 games!
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GG! +1
best game so far ever casted in sc2!
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zerg sux balls in new patch... sadly.. but with bw zerg macro style its still fun to play. hope for an epic 2nd match.
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dimaga would have had such an easy win if he would have killed the island expos from hasu...
so many easy ways to do it: - nidus - overlord drops - broodlords
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On April 09 2010 02:10 theqat wrote: A bit boring imo--seems like DIMAGA should just sac a 200/200 army and come up with another one in 30 secs, long before hasu could make so many units again. But hey, he won in the end If protoss has an even-ish forces its simply impossible. The maps are too small for the zerg to be able to collect an army that could rival with the remainder of protosses forces.
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On April 09 2010 02:13 h0munkulus wrote: dimaga would have had such an easy win if he would have killed the island expos from hasu...
so many easy ways to do it: - nidus - overlord drops - broodlords
probes can prolly kill a nydus before it pops:D
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SC2 beta is still ultra unbalanced... Zerg with thousand of expo not being able to get into protoss base with 2 expos bcz of a choke... zerg is way too nerfed
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On April 09 2010 02:13 h0munkulus wrote: dimaga would have had such an easy win if he would have killed the island expos from hasu...
so many easy ways to do it: - nidus - overlord drops - broodlords
how u want put nydus on isle full of cannons? the same too over drop broodlords seem best but hasu had voidrays/phenixes to counter it.
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On April 09 2010 02:11 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote: GG! +1
best game so far ever casted in sc2!
no way... TLO vs nazgul on metalopolis ways sooooo much better. still good game between hasu and dimaga
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On April 09 2010 02:15 lorgoth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 02:13 h0munkulus wrote: dimaga would have had such an easy win if he would have killed the island expos from hasu...
so many easy ways to do it: - nidus - overlord drops - broodlords
how u want put nydus on isle full of cannons? the same too over drop broodlords seem best but hasu had voidrays/phenixes to counter it. you are right sir
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Zerg problem is that only option is too mass units, no cool abilitys like - nuke, storm, emps, no possiblilty to go up cliffs (like colosuss, stalkers) so good devense with choke is so hard for z vs p or t.
And cool on paper units like infestors are useless with hp/range/useless spells.
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On April 09 2010 02:15 lorgoth wrote: how u want put nydus on isle full of cannons? the same too over drop broodlords seem best but hasu had voidrays/phenixes to counter it.
yeah in the very end. but if dimaga has an ovi there right away and reacts he can even deny that expo from ever going up.
and the moment he got his first broodlord he should have killed that expo. just take some corrupters against the 2 voidrays he had at the islands and it's no problem...
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On April 09 2010 02:15 lorgoth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 02:13 h0munkulus wrote: dimaga would have had such an easy win if he would have killed the island expos from hasu...
so many easy ways to do it: - nidus - overlord drops - broodlords
how u want put nydus on isle full of cannons? the same too over drop broodlords seem best but hasu had voidrays/phenixes to counter it.
lol dimaga had map controll and broodlords way earlier than hasuobs any phoenixes/voidrays if he killed islands he would win the game 20 min earlier.
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I don't know why blizz remove the fac where hatch can't have more than 7 larvea(3 from the hatch himself and 4 from inject larvea), now when a zerg is 200/200 he can just get infini larvea per hatch19 per hatch.
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On April 09 2010 02:18 lorgoth wrote: Zerg problem is that only option is too mass units, no cool abilitys like - nuke, storm, emps, no possiblilty to go up cliffs (like colosuss, stalkers) so good devense with choke is so hard for z vs p or t.
And cool on paper units like infestors are useless with hp/range/useless spells.
The truth. Atleast zerg had some dark swarm and lurker to controll in bw, now there is pretty much nothing that needs to be casted / microed. Its all about getting good posititon.. Terran and protoss has alot to do each fight, zerg is A-move.
My suggestion is to remove infested terrans, and give infestor some sort of ability to support your troops, like dark swarm, but in another way. Like buff to dmg or armor or somthing for short time when casted on zerg force. I think this could make them much more interessting.
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On April 09 2010 02:13 h0munkulus wrote: dimaga would have had such an easy win if he would have killed the island expos from hasu...
so many easy ways to do it: - nidus - overlord drops - broodlords
and by the time dimaga do that he gets absolutely owned in all his other bases...
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On April 09 2010 03:10 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote: 4:2 ukraine gg
Who won who?
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On April 09 2010 03:14 Squeegy wrote:Who won who? TheLittleOne - PM.bly (rvz) Horror - Kas (zvp) Mondi - WhiteRa (zvp) Socke - Strelok (pvt) HasuObs - Dimaga (pvz) Miou - iP.SnaKE (tvz) socke, plaque (p,t)- dimaga, white-ra (z, p) still 1-0
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dimaga white-ra won by beating splitted army giving no chance, gg
hopefully next game will be a more even fight!
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On April 09 2010 02:46 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 02:18 lorgoth wrote: Zerg problem is that only option is too mass units, no cool abilitys like - nuke, storm, emps, no possiblilty to go up cliffs (like colosuss, stalkers) so good devense with choke is so hard for z vs p or t.
And cool on paper units like infestors are useless with hp/range/useless spells. The truth. Atleast zerg had some dark swarm and lurker to controll in bw, now there is pretty much nothing that needs to be casted / microed. Its all about getting good posititon.. Terran and protoss has alot to do each fight, zerg is A-move. My suggestion is to remove infested terrans, and give infestor some sort of ability to support your troops, like dark swarm, but in another way. Like buff to dmg or armor or somthing for short time when casted on zerg force. I think this could make them much more interessting.
WTF? A-move that's so wrong it almost becomes right! zerg units are made of paper now, you cannot engage, you constantly have flank, to dodge and reposition your army else you die
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btw overalls i've to say, nice event
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scores below
+ Show Spoiler +TLO 2 - 0 Bly Horror 0 - 2 Kas Mondragon 1 - 2 White-Ra Socke 2 - 0 Stelok HasuObs 0 - 2 DIMAGA Miou 1 - 2 SnaKE Socke/pLaGuE 0 - 2 DIMAGA/White-Ra
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TheLittleOne - PM.bly (rvz) 2-0 Horror - Kas (zvp) 0-2 Mondi - WhiteRa (zvp) 1-2 Socke - Strelok (pvt) 2-0 HasuObs - Dimaga (pvz) 0-2 Miou - iP.SnaKE (tvz) 1-2 socke, plaque (p,t)- dimaga, white-ra (z, p) 2-0
ukraine 5-2 germany
just a very epic event, thx all participants and thx for the first hasuobs-dimaga game, simply awesome
GG
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ohmygod. Whitera vs Mondi
epic
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mondi is such an awesome zerg had to root for him even despite my nationalistic loyalties! he might not be the macro monster that dimaga is but u can see precise calculations and timing behind everything he does unlike dimagas "must.. make.. units.." gamestyle
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watched the reps. Z seems to be pretty fucked atm, the only games where Z won was because they outclassed their opponent (except the one win for mondi against Ra - that was because Ra rightclicked past mondis hydras while macroing, losing his army for nothing). dimaga vs hasuobs game 1 was kinda sad, it was a dead player trying to bait dimaga into wasting all of his units. oh btw, hasu had very poor decision making in those games imo, he went for the exact same strat twice and should have been able to easily kill dimagas expansion with his 10 gate dbl chrono opening. Just pull 4-5 probes and u practically won because either Z cancels the hatch and is very behind or pulls like 9 drones to hold it, which also leaves Z behind by far.
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my optimal team ger would look more like:
TLO OgerEli Socke Spell Mondi miou
but well, twas a first try and a nice event 
grats ukraine
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On April 09 2010 10:04 Ghardo wrote: Spell The former Warcraft 3 player? Didn't know he is playing Starcraft 2 now.
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On April 09 2010 10:04 Ghardo wrote:my optimal team ger would look more like: TLO OgerEli Socke Spell Mondi miou but well, twas a first try and a nice event  grats ukraine I don't know why everyone ignores Goody, atleast he shows some results.
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On April 09 2010 09:04 diehilde wrote: watched the reps. Z seems to be pretty fucked atm, the only games where Z won was because they outclassed their opponent (except the one win for mondi against Ra - that was because Ra rightclicked past mondis hydras while macroing, losing his army for nothing). dimaga vs hasuobs game 1 was kinda sad, it was a dead player trying to bait dimaga into wasting all of his units. oh btw, hasu had very poor decision making in those games imo, he went for the exact same strat twice and should have been able to easily kill dimagas expansion with his 10 gate dbl chrono opening. Just pull 4-5 probes and u practically won because either Z cancels the hatch and is very behind or pulls like 9 drones to hold it, which also leaves Z behind by far.
totaly agree that zerg can not do anything agains toss even with double income and all kind of unit with max upgrates, seems like a joke
but it was the best game sofar i saw from this beta
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On April 09 2010 09:04 diehilde wrote: watched the reps. Z seems to be pretty fucked atm...
lol? horror played very poorly and the fact he blamed his loss on Hydra-nerf was ridiculous: He totally overextended himself with putting up way to many expansions and neglecting to defend them properly etc.
White-ra won becuz he's just better at SC2 than Mondi atm., bedsides - Mondi didn't abuse Zerg-Macro enough and tried to play very aggressive, which is just not the way Zerg is the strongest in SC2
TLO VS Bly was decided even before they started, cuz TLO just so much better than Bly.
All the other games were clearly won by Zerg, because ppl like DIMAGA just know how to abuse Zerg-Macro in SC2 - Just listen to what Socke said about Zerg: He said that zerg has to win by macroing correctly and massing Units.
It's hilarious to call Zerg underpowered now just because of some Minor nerfs when they can get an expansion cancelled early and get several Drones killed and still be ahead in Income 3 Minutes after that. They can also get up expansions much easier and defend them because of extremely fast movement-speed and stuff like the Nydus Worm, which hasn't been used for defensive purposes as of yet. It's also very easy to do sneaky stuff with Zerg and counterattack, but everyone thinks they're too weak as soon as they loose a straight-up Army VS Army-Battle with similar Foodcount. That's just not how Zerg works atm - deal with it. Zerg is still by far the strongest race when the Person playing Zerg can Macro and defend correctly.
Btw: Anyone noticed that basically all the WC3-players chose to harrass /attack when they could either play very aggressive or just expand and all the SC-players chose to expand?
Take every game played by Hasuobs: In all the games he could've built the canons in front of the Nat and take an Expansion, he built them in his main instead and chose to VR-harrass both of the games, which is essentially a waste of ressources if it doesn't do major DMG. It's kinda funny to see how different the playstyles are but atm I think going the Macro-route is just much safer, because it's rather easy to defend against harrassment when you scout and react properly.
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On April 09 2010 18:28 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 10:04 Ghardo wrote:my optimal team ger would look more like: TLO OgerEli Socke Spell Mondi miou but well, twas a first try and a nice event  grats ukraine I don't know why everyone ignores Goody, atleast he shows some results.
nothing against goody. i kind of like him, however in bw he was someone who always played mass games but never managed to break through to the absolute top players. it's just that his ability to be one of the very best seems(seemed) doubtful. maybe sc2 suits him better mechanic-wise and he will stay on top, let's see.
On April 09 2010 14:40 Lucumo wrote:The former Warcraft 3 player? Didn't know he is playing Starcraft 2 now.
yup. and i think he is a force to be reckoned with. verry talented player from the old wc3 days. http://www.mousesports.com/en/news/9090/
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+ Show Spoiler + My god, LT game between Dimaga and Hasuobs was the worst PvZ i've seen so far in Sc2, HasuObs never got out of his base until the 50 minute mark or something, all he did was running back and forth for nearly 45 minutes.
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