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Have Some BuildsDecember 9th, 2015 03:00 GMT
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TheDougler
Canada8302 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
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GinDo
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5216 Posts
Good build versus Terran/Toss as a Protoss... send a worker immediately and proxy 3 gates and Forge. Begin with a cannon rush with in base pylons while Gates finish, then do a combination of a cannon rush and proxy gate attack. Build a cannon at your base if your opponent sends a Reaper/Adept/Stalker that way. If they keep the Reaper/Adept/Stalker to defend, chase it with one Zealot, send others at the mineral line and continue cannon rushing them. If Terran walls off, build cannons on the low ground and use Zealots for vision. Yet to lose with it. If they Nexus/CC first, you win instantly. | ||
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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unit
United States2621 Posts
Looking forward to finding some replays of these builds in action | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
nydus allin is a build order win against hellion banshee isn't it? I mean, you can only tickle the roaches and queens with the units you have. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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PuddleZerg
United States82 Posts
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NikaLogy
Denmark58 Posts
On December 09 2015 14:00 BronzeKnee wrote: Where is the cheese? Look at every single zerg build. There is your cheese. | ||
BronzeKnee
United States5216 Posts
On December 09 2015 15:06 NikaLogy wrote: Look at every single zerg build. There is your cheese. I don't play Zerg so I didn't even bother to look. But you're totally right. My bad. | ||
madnessman
United States1581 Posts
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
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NikaLogy
Denmark58 Posts
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BigRedDog
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Senryakku
France16 Posts
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
The negative side of this is that zerg will be even more hated because of you ![]() We can see the favourite playstyles of the writers: Aggression Terran à la HotS Safe macro protoss All-in Zerg | ||
BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
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Jer99
Canada8157 Posts
On December 09 2015 15:35 madnessman wrote: Thanks! Are you planning on editing the post to add more builds to it in the future? The plan is to release another thread with more builds, we'll see how strong the passion is | ||
PepperMintTea
187 Posts
There are plenty of ways to play macro zerg and not including any of them is ridiculous. | ||
Kinley
Germany14 Posts
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huysje
Netherlands18 Posts
I used to do a lot of 2 base roach all-ins back in the day but I kinda want to go Terran. p.s. Something a bronze league scrub like me can execute ![]() | ||
Rustug
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Erugua
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On December 09 2015 15:05 PuddleZerg wrote: tfw only all in strats for Zergs well the way zerg works if you're playing macro is generally "build drones until you either need certain units to not die or sense your opponent is vulnerable to a timing" so there aren't as many unique macro builds lol, this hasn't changed from hots, you still have to play reactive | ||
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Jer99
Canada8157 Posts
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Hrypa
Poland16 Posts
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Juice!
Belgium295 Posts
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
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CrimeCat
Germany43 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
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Where dat snitch at?36961 Posts
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rqPlan
Nicaragua42 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6196 Posts
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Pandahunterz
Netherlands213 Posts
nice post though, good way for people to get back in lotv again without having to spend ages to figure out the timings and builds again :D | ||
Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
Time to get back my Banshee mirco and get 10+ kills with one haha | ||
GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
I wish there was at least one macro build for zerg though, kinda weird there are only all-ins listed. | ||
onPHYRE
Bulgaria888 Posts
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
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Araneae
Norway100 Posts
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Gowerly
United Kingdom916 Posts
There's times where it says "stop worker production" but then a bit later it just says "stop worker production" again. Are you missing bits were you start worker production? | ||
robopork
United States511 Posts
On December 10 2015 00:45 Gowerly wrote: I'm looking to try out the Protoss builds, but I'm a little confused. There's times where it says "stop worker production" but then a bit later it just says "stop worker production" again. Are you missing bits were you start worker production? I noticed that in the PvT build but I think he means for us to cut workers just long enough to get the cybernetics core down and then resume. If you look closely at the supply bench marks it should make more sense. ![]() | ||
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Jer99
Canada8157 Posts
On December 10 2015 00:51 robopork wrote: I noticed that in the PvT build but I think he means for us to cut workers just long enough to get the cybernetics core down and then resume. If you look closely at the supply bench marks it should make more sense. ![]() Fixed these issues thanks! | ||
Moosegills
United States558 Posts
Keep in mind when the game is new its much harder to make a structured guide for zerg because there are much more variation of opponent builds and its impossible to discuss all the random things your opponent might be doing. With that being said for macro builds there have already been guides made by pig and blade covering each matchup and they are linked in each respective guide section in the zerg help me thread here -> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/499586-the-lotv-zerg-help-me-thread | ||
TelecoM
United States10666 Posts
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Senryakku
France16 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15472 Posts
Cheers! | ||
purplenugget
4 Posts
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MattRz
Chile1680 Posts
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dr3am_b3ing
Canada188 Posts
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Dice17
United States520 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 09 2015 22:27 Pandahunterz wrote: why does zerg always have to cheese T_T this is why zerg has been hated so much over the years, most popular/successful have always been the cheesy all in strats, with the exception of broodlord/infestor and swarmhost of course but one might argue that is even worse than a cheese... not even worth calling a legit strategy (sh). nice post though, good way for people to get back in lotv again without having to spend ages to figure out the timings and builds again :D Zerg always have to cheese and that's why they've been hated? What makes you think that? Zerg has won most of their games through macro. Like lol if you think zerg have won most of their games through cheese over the years well... You've been watching different games then the rest of us. | ||
Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
![]() No worries though, Blade already posted some super sexy guides for Zerg. | ||
HeroMystic
United States1217 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On December 10 2015 05:14 HeroMystic wrote: For the TvP Bio/Liberator Build, when do you add a 4th gas? Practicing it right now and though my timing is still off, it really feels like it's tough to support double Liberator, plus 2 Marauders off of three gases. you get to 2 base saturation quite fast, then you can freely add your fourh gas without cuutting your mineral income | ||
Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
On December 09 2015 12:00 Jer99 wrote: [*]26 overlrod Had to ![]() | ||
ColtonDaTerran
United States5 Posts
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
On December 10 2015 05:14 HeroMystic wrote: For the TvP Bio/Liberator Build, when do you add a 4th gas? Practicing it right now and though my timing is still off, it really feels like it's tough to support double Liberator, plus 2 Marauders off of three gases. When the factory is done you add a starport, reactor, and the 4th gas. | ||
WhaleOFaTALE1
47 Posts
On December 09 2015 14:00 BronzeKnee wrote: Where is the cheese? Good build versus Terran/Toss as a Protoss... send a worker immediately and proxy 3 gates and Forge. Begin with a cannon rush with in base pylons while Gates finish, then do a combination of a cannon rush and proxy gate attack. Build a cannon at your base if your opponent sends a Reaper/Adept/Stalker that way. If they keep the Reaper/Adept/Stalker to defend, chase it with one Zealot, send others at the mineral line and continue cannon rushing them. If Terran walls off, build cannons on the low ground and use Zealots for vision. Yet to lose with it. If they Nexus/CC first, you win instantly. You must actually be bronze...builds thay can be easily held by a simple scout and some proper reactions shouldnt be in the thread | ||
DanceSC
United States751 Posts
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las91
United States5080 Posts
It's definitely fun comparing what good players do to what you've been doing and seeing how close you are :^) | ||
guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 10 2015 08:28 DanceSC wrote: I have a strange feeling the op plays terran xD And I love how all the zerg builds include "all-in" ^^ The TL strategy team is lacking in Zergs I believe. At least that's what I assume reading their chat (mostly Protoss with a few Terrans). They did a lot of work to get this out, they just don't have the Zerg players dedicated to look for builds that Pro's use (like me, I am too lazy to look up what other players are doing and write a guide on it, I just mess around until I find something I like a lot and then write a guide on that). | ||
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Jer99
Canada8157 Posts
On December 10 2015 09:03 blade55555 wrote: The TL strategy team is lacking in Zergs I believe. At least that's what I assume reading their chat (mostly Protoss with a few Terrans). They did a lot of work to get this out, they just don't have the Zerg players dedicated to look for builds that Pro's use (like me, I am too lazy to look up what other players are doing and write a guide on it, I just mess around until I find something I like a lot and then write a guide on that). Me, Winks and Thaniri wrote the Terran content moosegills the Zerg Theo the Protoss I edited pretty much everything | ||
Masada714
United States89 Posts
I also tried this build in a custom game and got everything on time but still had a lot of minerals, is there more production that is supposed to go down somewhere? I haven't gone through the other builds yet but will report back if i find anything. Thanks for any replies. | ||
GuiBz
Canada108 Posts
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Thaniri
1264 Posts
On December 10 2015 09:03 blade55555 wrote: The TL strategy team is lacking in Zergs I believe. At least that's what I assume reading their chat (mostly Protoss with a few Terrans). They did a lot of work to get this out, they just don't have the Zerg players dedicated to look for builds that Pro's use (like me, I am too lazy to look up what other players are doing and write a guide on it, I just mess around until I find something I like a lot and then write a guide on that). I committed sudoku from that chat so no-one really communicates what needs to be done to me anymore. Had a lot of studying to do for exams so I could have written something for TvZ. Learning the builds from both sides is beneficial to all players. | ||
Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
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HeroMystic
United States1217 Posts
On December 10 2015 07:22 TheWinks wrote: When the factory is done you add a starport, reactor, and the 4th gas. Been practicing this, and this definitely feels like the answer to that. It's smooth sailing with the 4th gas up at that point. | ||
Senryakku
France16 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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heaveshade
China330 Posts
On December 10 2015 11:14 Masada714 wrote: I'm a little confused for the PvT build. At 31 38 and 45 supply it says to build an adept which is 2 supply but it says to do something at 32 39 and 46 respectively. How is this possible? Am I missing something? I also tried this build in a custom game and got everything on time but still had a lot of minerals, is there more production that is supposed to go down somewhere? I haven't gone through the other builds yet but will report back if i find anything. Thanks for any replies. You are not alone on the supply number there. I think these lists can be more consistent. Some of them are quite good with details like scout timing or specific changes against different opponents. Some of them are simple for little has changed in Lotv, such as the widow mine drop tvp build, i think it will be more noob friendly to add orbital upgrade, marine production and maybe one or two supply depots. | ||
Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
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iamkaokao
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Epitoi
20 Posts
http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6406/ http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6407/ http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6408/ ('excuse my rage I lost du to poor macro and terrible fight/positionning) 16rax 16gas reactor CC depot facto 2xmarines gas 2xmarines reactor starport 2xhellions armory(3:20) push @4:25. | ||
smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
Might as well have had NoRegret make the zerg guides | ||
Asheshino
Colombia37 Posts
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Funky Geezer
1 Post
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On December 09 2015 14:07 Charoisaur wrote: "There are early vulnerabilities in this build in the form of nydus plays and roach busts." nydus allin is a build order win against hellion banshee isn't it? I mean, you can only tickle the roaches and queens with the units you have. again the question. There is no way to hold a nydus allin with hellion banshee, is it? | ||
MrMatt
Canada225 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On December 12 2015 13:11 Charoisaur wrote: again the question. There is no way to hold a nydus allin with hellion banshee, is it? Very doubtfully if they get the nydus up. One could repair with scvs, but eventually the roachs will just kill all the hellons and the queens (if they out number banshee count) will clean up banshees. Only thing to do is try to delay the nydus as much as possible with harass till you tech to something that deals with it or switch into something that can hold it better once scouted. Or just hope you have cloak and they forgot to make overseers...... | ||
BronzeKnee
United States5216 Posts
On December 10 2015 08:12 WhaleOFaTALE1 wrote: You must actually be bronze...builds thay can be easily held by a simple scout and some proper reactions shouldnt be in the thread Works versus Masters players, all I can say. If your opponent opens with anything economic, you win. | ||
Mehp
5 Posts
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
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DERASTAT
Germany99 Posts
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JJayOP
United States8 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
Tried that build a few times and got REKT. | ||
The_Masked_Shrimp
425 Posts
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mario1996
Germany20 Posts
A good addition would be Replays for Downloads ![]() | ||
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