The HotS Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 337

On April 04 2015 05:00 KingAlphard wrote:
Against banshee/viking/raven it looks like the composition you're looking for is carriers/archons/hts.
If you went straight into carriers (upon scouting mech) you can use that as a timing, storm everything and amove. But you can't do that always, for example if he goes for a lot of turrets or widow mines.
If you started with standard immortal/archon midgame, then slowly trade your zealots/immortals, either with a big timing or with multipronged attacks (remember in particular than a decent amount of +3 immortals can snipe an undefended planetary before the terran player realizes it is being attacked), and replace them with carriers.
Obviously if your opponent already has a lot of vikings, then switching to carriers from immortal/archon doesn't make that much sense, but I can tell you that it works, especially considering that your opponent can otherwise snipe the observers with vikings and abuse cloak if you don't have air units to protect them. Anyway, the general the response to banshees added in, is just making sure that you have a large pack of archons/hts in the mix.
A good rule of thumb against mech is that until BCs are added, carriers/hts crushes everything. Of course the only thing you don't wanna do is directly engage against turrets/seekers. If you get seeker'd, pull back everything and use storms to safely retreat. Basically you wanna mass cannons in the middle of the map, take all bases (priority to those closer to your opponent if you can , to steal his resources) and split hts. Wait for the opponent to move out and hit the money storms. Against air mech, you can actually win with just feedbacks and storms. Be careful about ghosts though.
If your opponent starts massing BCs it gets harder because Yamatos destroy carriers before they even get in range. Again HTs are great but a smart opponent will get a few ghosts/tanks to zone them out. In that situation I don't have that much experience, tempests are useless because of PDD (which will be nerfed at least). But I won games by taking the engagement in my side of the map and then literally warping 40 stalkers/archons at the same time around my opponent's army. Gateway units are incredibly good in a remax situation vs mech because it takes so much time for him to rebuild his units while you remax instantly as long as you have enough warpgates. I theorycraft (never tried) that you could actually beat BC/Raven solely by massing stalkers and being in multiple places at the same time, harassing mineral lines and production facilities.

On April 04 2015 06:29 Daimai wrote:
What is the general game plan vs terran nowadays? Recently got back into SC2 and I've got pvz and pvp pretty figured out but PvT is just lost on me (as it was before it quit :D) and I want to learn. General tips vs terran? What is the gameplan? At what time should you get upgrades, nexus etc. Please be as specific as possible, assume im retarded vs terran.

On April 04 2015 06:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:

A very solid and quite unbreakable style goes like this :

- standard gateway FE.
- 3 stalkers from the gateway.
- robo -> 3-4 obs, first one headed to the opponent's main, other ones to spot agression.
- 2 more gates.
- natural gasses.
- another stalker, robo bay when you can afford it -> non stop colo production.
- 2 forges as soon as you can afford it assuming no early game shenanigan.
- twilight around 8:30 for blink.
- 3 more gates if the T isn't going for a crazy fast 3rd.

With that setup you get 6-9 stalkers total that will defend the main and can take your third with zealots + 2-3 colossi depending on the T build. You then keep on producing colossi while chronoboosting upgrades and charge like a madman. You never take additional gasses after the natural ones and just flood chargelots and colossi while remaking blink stalkers if needed to always have around 14 (try to always have a sentry or two too for guardian shield and the occasional forcefields). You may have an excess in gas nevertheless since you rely a lot on chargelots, so you can add a templar archives or a dark shrine for archons around 15:00.

On April 04 2015 14:59 phapsubongtio wrote:
Can some one tell me the most common stratery in PvZ and PvP nowaday ? Thank you !

On April 04 2015 18:23 KadaverBB wrote:


You should just read the OP

On April 04 2015 08:33 darkness wrote:


Can you post a replay? I'm having a problem with PvT as well. If I try to take a third base, they drop at 2nd base and push 3rd base at the same time.. maybe it's because I don't have obs everywhere.

I have an alternative approach - blink stalkers pressure to keep terran busy, but it doesn't work all the time.

On April 04 2015 23:02 Teoita wrote:
The thing with blink builds is that they vary a lot depending on player styles, execution, and the specific situation in the game. It's really, really hard to describe every situation and frankly im not even that great at executing them. The more basic tips off the top of my head are:

1) If you are going robo along with blink it's really hard to pressure anyone without an expansion; so take your own nexus, keep scouting for his. Blink plus robo should give you enough units to defend whatever comes your way
2) If you dont know wether someone is going oracle, always keep two stalkers at home to defend. If you know he's doing something else or kill the oracle you should be free to move all your units on the map
3) Same goes for dt builds, but you want at least one obs. DT drops in your main plus a dt in your natural is a common followup to dt expand, so making one observer per base
4) If you see some kind of fast nexus you can pressure with your stalkers while having a robo and maybe even nexus at home. Depending on the specific builds and situation you can be more or less aggressive, it's really hard to gauge and a huge part of playing blink well. Note that a nexus started past about 5 minutes means he can possibly have some kind of tech, so keep a couple of stalkers in your main until you know what he's up to.
5) If you start a robo and you are playing a blink mirror, do NOT move on the map as he could easily have 2 extra blink stalkers and run you over.

In general, blink/robo builds with a decent probe counts and eventually a nexus are one of those builds that are pretty decent vs everything, but not absolutely great vs anything, and you really need good execution to make them pay off. It's a hard style to play and i guarantee you will have lots of silly losses, but in the right hands it can be really strong

On April 04 2015 23:35 Teoita wrote:
As far as openings you can msc expand in PvT/PvZ and 3stalker rush in PvP i guess, but those builds are just openings that cover the first 5 or so minutes. Past that point no, there's no such thing