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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
April 14 2012 21:53 GMT
#21
On April 15 2012 06:39 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 04:42 OrbitalPlane wrote:
Thx for the article. That was very interesting.

Hope to see the same about PvT. =)


Me too. I love PvP and understand the matchup well. But my understanding of PvZ and PvT are more limited.

Probably won't happen as PvT and PvZ are both much more complex than PvP and it would take way longer. There were some talks about a PvZ guide by me, cecil, and alej, but that project is on hold for now.
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How2getMaster
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany124 Posts
April 14 2012 22:20 GMT
#22
Well written! Really nice.

Greetings.
DiamondToss looking for a team :)
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 14 2012 22:29 GMT
#23
Great overview on PvP and some really nice analysis on the MC Genius match. I really hate the way people judge PvP, and fail to notice how much it's evolving and developing. It's not a perfect matchup, but as a Protoss i always learn new things about PvP when I'm watching or playing it. The match up is surprisingly complex and it's frustrating when people don't educate themselves on PvP and say dumb statements that were true like 6 months ago.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
April 14 2012 22:33 GMT
#24
Finally got to reading this today, great overview monk!
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Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
April 14 2012 23:20 GMT
#25
On April 14 2012 20:53 NrGmonk wrote:
: Players who don’t scout are either confident they can hold off proxies and . With the money saved from not probe scouting, you can afford an extra zealot and use it to do a 2 zealot/2 stalker poke as an alternative to scouting.


There seems to be something missing here.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
April 15 2012 00:09 GMT
#26
Monk`s guides never fail to deliver! Tks for the write-up.
SEKO SEKO SEKO
xOtit
Profile Joined April 2011
United States253 Posts
April 15 2012 00:20 GMT
#27
This is an incredible write-up.
"If I play zerg I'm like Nestea" - Deezer
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
April 15 2012 00:28 GMT
#28
Can someone link this on reddit? I don't have an account.
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CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
April 15 2012 01:57 GMT
#29
On April 15 2012 09:28 NrGmonk wrote:
Can someone link this on reddit? I don't have an account.

Done: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sa7ht/amazing_guide_for_understanding_pvp_from_nrgmonk/?already_submitted=true
inSighTsc2
Profile Joined May 2010
United States110 Posts
April 15 2012 02:05 GMT
#30
Really glad to see this! Exactly what I was looking for! Thanks, NrGmonk!!
Karma's a bitch, right? - Danny Worsnop
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
April 15 2012 02:15 GMT
#31
On April 15 2012 10:57 CecilSunkure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 09:28 NrGmonk wrote:
Can someone link this on reddit? I don't have an account.

Done: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sa7ht/amazing_guide_for_understanding_pvp_from_nrgmonk/?already_submitted=true

Cool, thanks dear.
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Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
April 15 2012 07:19 GMT
#32
Holy shit, this is an awesome guide, you're really raising the bar with this thread! Keep it up! :D
Less QQ, more PewPew
Janders
Profile Joined June 2011
Mexico222 Posts
April 15 2012 07:48 GMT
#33
On April 14 2012 21:40 MateShade wrote:
Great guide, I'm getting a bit tired of trying to explain to people how PvP isn't a coinflip matchup in the slightest

PvP is a kind of a coinflip matchup depending on the game because a player must choose his tech path blindly and there are a lot of build order losses/disadvantages. Examples:
Like one player goes blink the other goes phoenix. gg for the phoenix guy.
Player opens phoenix and the other player opens DT's - gg for the phoenix guy.
Player opens 3 gate blink obs and the other guy opens 4 gate blink - gg for the robo guy.
:D
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
April 15 2012 07:58 GMT
#34
On April 15 2012 16:48 Janders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 21:40 MateShade wrote:
Great guide, I'm getting a bit tired of trying to explain to people how PvP isn't a coinflip matchup in the slightest

PvP is a kind of a coinflip matchup depending on the game because a player must choose his tech path blindly and there are a lot of build order losses/disadvantages. Examples:
Like one player goes blink the other goes phoenix. gg for the phoenix guy.
Player opens phoenix and the other player opens DT's - gg for the phoenix guy.
Player opens 3 gate blink obs and the other guy opens 4 gate blink - gg for the robo guy.

Or not
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Amyris
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom77 Posts
April 15 2012 08:05 GMT
#35
This is amazing!! I especially liked the MC v Genius analysis, there's so much more going on there than I was aware of!
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
April 15 2012 19:03 GMT
#36
you forgot the hidden 2star gate switch into mass voids lol. i actually lost to that opening phoenixes because i missed scouting it......... don't ask!

very nice write-up monk

also i really like that you stressed that you shouldn't go speed immortal drop on a whim. can't tell you how many times i've run into that going 1g sg phoenix and got flamed for having luck boxed into a free win :D
get rich or die mining
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piiiT
Profile Joined October 2010
43 Posts
April 15 2012 19:40 GMT
#37
seriously why are you cecil and alej playing protoss? all the good guides are for toss jesus christ ! :p good writup
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 20:10:29
April 15 2012 19:43 GMT
#38
On April 16 2012 04:40 piiiT wrote:
seriously why are you cecil and alej playing protoss? all the good guides are for toss jesus christ ! :p good writup

i could prob drop a few zvp guides but my brothers would shun me :D

edit:


On April 15 2012 16:58 NrGmonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 16:48 Janders wrote:
On April 14 2012 21:40 MateShade wrote:
Great guide, I'm getting a bit tired of trying to explain to people how PvP isn't a coinflip matchup in the slightest

PvP is a kind of a coinflip matchup depending on the game because a player must choose his tech path blindly and there are a lot of build order losses/disadvantages. Examples:
Like one player goes blink the other goes phoenix. gg for the phoenix guy.
Player opens phoenix and the other player opens DT's - gg for the phoenix guy.
Player opens 3 gate blink obs and the other guy opens 4 gate blink - gg for the robo guy.

Or not


XD XD XD <3 <3 <3
get rich or die mining
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Janders
Profile Joined June 2011
Mexico222 Posts
April 15 2012 22:21 GMT
#39
On April 15 2012 16:58 NrGmonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 16:48 Janders wrote:
On April 14 2012 21:40 MateShade wrote:
Great guide, I'm getting a bit tired of trying to explain to people how PvP isn't a coinflip matchup in the slightest

PvP is a kind of a coinflip matchup depending on the game because a player must choose his tech path blindly and there are a lot of build order losses/disadvantages. Examples:
Like one player goes blink the other goes phoenix. gg for the phoenix guy.
Player opens phoenix and the other player opens DT's - gg for the phoenix guy.
Player opens 3 gate blink obs and the other guy opens 4 gate blink - gg for the robo guy.

Or not

or not what?
:D
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 22:54:47
April 15 2012 22:54 GMT
#40
On April 16 2012 07:21 Janders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 16:58 NrGmonk wrote:
On April 15 2012 16:48 Janders wrote:
On April 14 2012 21:40 MateShade wrote:
Great guide, I'm getting a bit tired of trying to explain to people how PvP isn't a coinflip matchup in the slightest

PvP is a kind of a coinflip matchup depending on the game because a player must choose his tech path blindly and there are a lot of build order losses/disadvantages. Examples:
Like one player goes blink the other goes phoenix. gg for the phoenix guy.
Player opens phoenix and the other player opens DT's - gg for the phoenix guy.
Player opens 3 gate blink obs and the other guy opens 4 gate blink - gg for the robo guy.

Or not

or not what?


Your whole post is wrong.
If you replace "gg" by "disadvantage" in your post, then maybe there is room for discussion.

Even then, doesn't really mean anything. There are greedy phoenix builds which die to DTs and safe phoenix builds which are good against blink and dts. Same for blink/obs.

To be frank I expect clarification from your post rather then monk's "or not".
geiko.813 (EU)
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