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Payson
United States394 Posts
I know that Hero defeated JYP with a build just like this a few days back and was curious if anyone had replays or a solid build order that I could look at. Thanks! Build Order [from Arcanefrost] + Show Spoiler + 10 Pylon 10 Gateway *Chrono Nexus 12 Gas 14 Core 14 Gate 14 Pylon Chronoboost Stalkers out. VoD (GSL Hero vs JYP) + Show Spoiler + http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls1/vod/66868/?set=3&lang= | ||
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moskonia
Israel1448 Posts
 would also love to see some replays / BO. | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
10 gate Cb nexus 12 gas 14 core 14 gate 14 pylon Cb stalkers from here on out | ||
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ItchyLegs
Canada369 Posts
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BlazeTSR
United States218 Posts
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priestnoob
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Payson
United States394 Posts
On February 26 2012 06:57 Arcanefrost wrote: 10 pylon 10 gate Cb nexus 12 gas 14 core 14 gate 14 pylon Cb stalkers from here on out Thanks! Are there specific reasons you go for the build? When is the build basically dead though when you play? I'd assume you need to deal significant damage before warp gate finishes for your opponent. | ||
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moskonia
Israel1448 Posts
just like normal 2gate proxy, you will die if you don't scout in time, but unlike the normal 2gate proxy this build is meant for higher levels, since you need good control of your stalkers in order to beat his workers / zealot / stalker mix. anyways i tested this some times and i think a better build would be: 10pylon 10gate CB nexus 12 gas 12 gate (when 1st gate is in 50 / 65) 12 core 2 stalkers pylon. this lets you have 2 stalkers instead of 1 + 2, which will then clean the 1st zealot and stalker with faster. oh and you should (atleast on metalopolis) rally your 1st produced worker to the proxy location, it makes good timing | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
Cool build that should defo get explored more. It has the potential to be insane good. | ||
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LittleWM
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hooahah
3752 Posts
On February 26 2012 23:13 LittleWM wrote: So do these stalkers typically come before a cannon can be finished? probably not but if the guy invested in a forge+cannon that early then he's already lost | ||
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BankTank
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Ashent
Korea (South)109 Posts
On February 27 2012 05:36 BankTank wrote: Does anyone have a Replay? When to star creating Probes again? It seems to me, that 4 Gate is realy good against it, as 1 Zealot and 2 chronoboosted Stalker can deal rly good against 3 Stalkers. No... As stated above, your 2 stalkers come into his base before his first stalker is out. That's the point. A 4 gate is going to start with Zealot first which is fantastic for you as your 2 stalkers have supremacy of the map and he can't catch up to your stalker advantage with only 1 gate. | ||
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moskonia
Israel1448 Posts
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jWavA
United States73 Posts
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BankTank
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Harmonized
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moskonia
Israel1448 Posts
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
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Treyus
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Payson
United States394 Posts
On February 27 2012 06:37 Treyus wrote: seems like a 3 stalker rush could be hard to deal with if performed correctly unless you end up with 2 stalkers before his 2nd and third come out. The scouting you do with a 3 stalker rush is specifically to deny the proxy pylon of a 4gate but seems like it would be good for denying the proxy gates as well. also if you don't outright crush him early you're probably going to lose those 2gates and core and pylon so it seems risky vs someone who manages to hold. BUT like i said if you get 2 stalkers out while the 3 stalker rush is still at 1 you could do some decent damage i suppose In the GSL VOD linked in the OP, JYP did a 3 stalker rush opening and still managed to lose because Hero managed to pick off probes and micro well enough to get both of them on equal footing. | ||
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chuky500
France473 Posts
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moskonia
Israel1448 Posts
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LittleWM
13 Posts
On February 26 2012 23:26 hooahah wrote: probably not but if the guy invested in a forge+cannon that early then he's already lost I don't really see why. Proxy things by their nature are a risky investment and 2 stalkers cost more than a forge and a cannon. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20335 Posts
On February 28 2012 02:17 LittleWM wrote: I don't really see why. Proxy things by their nature are a risky investment and 2 stalkers cost more than a forge and a cannon. If i scout in pvp and see no buildings i am sure as hell going to freak the f*** out | ||
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RaiD.RaynoR
United States294 Posts
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Ristaccia
United States25 Posts
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BankTank
23 Posts
But the Micro Intensity is really strong. My takeaways so far: Dont research Warpgate before atleast 3 Stalkers are out, if u have the Chance to kill him u dont even need it. Kill Probes/workers! This is very important, as u need to make sure that u are still even. If he makes Canon, throw down a robo and rush for 2 Immortal drop with Speed Prosem for Harrasement. Its very good i think. And the Canons come before the Stalker just, if he skips the Core or scoutet directly... So u will still have Time to make significant Damage. It seems to me that, a Chargelot/Archon Counter Push would kill u hard, if he manage to throw u back with Canons, as u cant forcefield the ramp to hold him off. | ||
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TylerThaCreator
United States906 Posts
On February 28 2012 02:35 BankTank wrote: So i tested it today and found out, that it works against terrans also especially good as it hardcounters alls Builds with early Marines and Factory Rushes. But the Micro Intensity is really strong. My takeaways so far: Dont research Warpgate before atleast 3 Stalkers are out, if u have the Chance to kill him u dont even need it. Kill Probes/workers! This is very important, as u need to make sure that u are still even. If he makes Canon, throw down a robo and rush for 2 Immortal drop with Speed Prosem for Harrasement. Its very good i think. And the Canons come before the Stalker just, if he skips the Core or scoutet directly... So u will still have Time to make significant Damage. It seems to me that, a Chargelot/Archon Counter Push would kill u hard, if he manage to throw u back with Canons, as u cant forcefield the ramp to hold him off. what are you talking about? stalkers come out before cannons and stalkers also beat cannons.. | ||
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BankTank
23 Posts
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Soulforged
Latvia973 Posts
No buildings, gas being mined early on = not some weird 15 nexus, not proxy zealots, not forge/cannons.....stalkers, doh. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20335 Posts
On February 28 2012 02:42 TylerThaCreator wrote: what are you talking about? stalkers come out before cannons and stalkers also beat cannons.. Pretty sure stalkers are not cost effective against well placed cannons | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
if he went for a standard proxy 2 gate with zealots it can get a bit tricky though. you have a low probe count so microing vs a few zealots is tough while you wait for the stalkers to run across the map | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On February 27 2012 06:54 chuky500 wrote: I haven't been able to test this but wouldn't this be very strong in PvT as well ? A 1 zealot 1 stalker poke can already do damage so if you have 2 stalkers sooner than that, shouldn't you be able to kill all the terran early army ? it would be decent harass, and sure you could kill a couple marines and scvs, but against a competent terran, you will likely equalize or be slightly behind in econ, with two proxy gates on the map in a pvt going into midgame. not good. | ||
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BankTank
23 Posts
But this would just be a blind counter with a big amount of Luck. | ||
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Lupita
United States290 Posts
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
On February 26 2012 08:36 Payson wrote: Thanks! Are there specific reasons you go for the build? When is the build basically dead though when you play? I'd assume you need to deal significant damage before warp gate finishes for your opponent. I just stole it from hero  it seems to be the perfect amount of econ to keep chronoboosting out constantly. If he has only 1 pylon powering his gateway you can snipe it fast, otherwise you need to kill probes and stalkers. I usually ignore zealots and just go for the stalkers and then go for the probes. It's good vs anything as long as you don't get scouted too fast. Cb units out of 2/3 gates is the counter. http://drop.sc/122240 replay vs gm toss | ||
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Ashent
Korea (South)109 Posts
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