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-YoricK-
United States476 Posts
I tried to have my stalkers focus the mutas but they are so pitiful against 20+mutas and then your colossus don't kill the roaches fast enough so you just die. My timing was delayed because I kept warping in zealots but not sure I woulda won anyway as the zerg can trade armies so cost efficiently at that point. His mutas also intercepted my third colossus and killed my robo which hurt as well  | ||
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GomJabbar
United States161 Posts
As others have pointed out, only 2 base muta hits at 9 minutes, and that's a different situation from what this build is designed for, which is a "safe" 3-base muta build (ling-roach first, then muta later). >KimJongChill Yes, 7 gates, my mistake. I'll change that, thanks. >fallen33 I'll add this to the guide, good question. Naniwa stopped at ~50 probes, but if you want to take a third after killing zerg's 3rd, you can try to keep making them. Weakens the attack though, and I don't really recommend it to be honest. >Lordcamel Roaches with drop; roaches with burrow-move... even a solid speed-roach flank - ALL of these strategies can cause problems for this build. I don't doubt it. Anything that can flank a colossus or bypass a forcefield is a threat. I personally haven't experienced any of these though. who rushes for roach-drop or burrow roach in the current metagame? Hardly anybody. And a flank is just a case of being outmicro'd, not a strategic error. Burrow-move roaches can be spotted by the constant zealot harassment all the way up until the final attack - you'll see the spines on the backs of the roaches. It's not hard to chronoboost an observer as soon as you see this and continue with the attack, slightly delayed. I think it's tough for Zerg to beat this unless he's got a TON of roaches, which means the zealot harassment all game long has done virtually no damage and his economy is amazing. Even a ton of roaches are beatable by sentries and colossi, it comes down a lot to execution and positioning. Anyway, those are my thoughts, but as I said I haven't experienced these specific things, so it's mostly speculation. >OckhamzRazor No adjustments are needed on a map with a harder to take 3rd. On shattered or even Tal'Darim, in order to take a reasonably-timed 3rd, Zerg will most likely take a farther base without rocks, which is that much easier to pressure with the +1 attack 4 gate zealots. Just make sure to hide a pylon in a good spot near his 3rd. With the 2 initial zealots, you can send one out to likely 3rd base locations, and one goes through Zerg's natural (checking if his rocks are busted - this means a 3rd as well) and up to the main to suicide, checking whether there's gas or a lair or anything like that. >-YoricK- Without a replay I can only speculate, but it sounds like you executed the zealot and/or warp prism pressure a bit poorly, resulting in Zerg having a booming economy. It also sounds like you were doing the zealot pressure for too long. You have to be teching constantly; don't get too focused on attacking with zealots while delaying the robo facility or the robo bay. Those shouldn't be delayed at all. There's no way Zerg should have 20 mutas by the time you attack - they can have maybe 15 at the very most, just coming out. Sounds like your timing was a little late. If they do attack your main with mutas, as I covered in the guide, warp in stalkers there while continuing the main attack. If he's attacking the main, warp the stalkers into your natural, and vice-versa, so they don't take damage while warping in. A single warp in of 6-7 stalkers can repel 15 mutas. Best of luck! | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On December 22 2011 20:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote: What do you do if Zerg denys all of your proxy pylon attempts? Is it worth still doing the pressure? Just warp in from a farther away pylon and bring a probe with your attack. You always need to pressure so the Zerg player doesn't just skip roaches and get faster mutas. | ||
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Nate.F
918 Posts
On December 21 2011 09:12 Fallen33 wrote: Do you constantly probe during this harass?? do you read?(assuming you meant building probes) | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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bowenkhong
Singapore43 Posts
and also how about if Zerg went for 1/1 roaches on 2 base? sorry for asking, understand that this is not part of the topic as we assume Zerg is taking a fast 3rd. Thanks | ||
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OxyFuel
Canada195 Posts
On December 23 2011 00:53 bowenkhong wrote: Hi, what if the Zerg don't go for a fast 3rd? he went for 2 base muta which is quite common on map such as Tal'darim. I have a really hard time dealing with it. and also how about if Zerg went for 1/1 roaches on 2 base? sorry for asking, understand that this is not part of the topic as we assume Zerg is taking a fast 3rd. Thanks The OP specifically states that this doesn't work well again'st 2 base zergs... So if you see he's not taking a fast third, you should scrap this build and do something else that game. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
Anyway I've done it a few games and it seems to work and you hit with 2 ranged colossi, 2 voidrays, 12 stalkers, 4 sentries, and zealot "leftovers" at around 12:30-12:45. I also had excess minerals to start a 3rd. If you kill the third hatch and push here I think it's an auto-win. Obv it's not realistic to kill the 3rd very often, but I think if you can nuke down 6-8 drones you can probably win. | ||
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BoondockVeritas
United States191 Posts
 I wouldn't say that everyone has figured it out depending on how well you can execute it. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
Replays: http://drop.sc/85479 http://drop.sc/85480 http://drop.sc/85485 | ||
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