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lordsurya08
United States141 Posts
I've switched to Toss, I've tried to shift myself into a build-pylon mindset...nothing works. The warp-in-then-pylon trick works occasionally, but as soon as I get more gates and robos it goes out the window and I lose track of supply. Any suggestions? Is there, say, some sort of legal third party software that makes a little beep whenever my supply cap is nearby? | ||
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kofman
Andorra698 Posts
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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Sajaki
Canada1135 Posts
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fdsdfg
United States1251 Posts
It might help to remember some stupid phrase. "These units will help me! Check supply!" Just repeat that phrase to yourself a few times, and say it to yourself when you warp in a round of units. It's dumb, I know, but it works. | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
As a protoss player getting supply blocked can be game changing and is felt more as a race simply because our main production is through warpgates which cant be qued. I actually believe this is beneficial as it stops bad habits and lets you know how many minerals you are floating. If i fourgate the main indicator of correct macroing is that my money should never be high simply because a 4gate is all-in which means you are producing constantly. If i lose a 4gate and i see that after my next warpin that i have 400 mins to spare i didn't 4gate well enough. | ||
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HarnessedSea
Japan16 Posts
Before 10 min: 1.Build units 2.Build 1 overlord 3.Check supply 4.Macro army/eco/tech 5.Repeat After 10 min: 1.Build units 2.Build 2-4 overlords 3.Check supply 4.Macro army/eco/tech 5.Repeat I think the mindset is the limiting factor in supply  | ||
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ZaphoD[42]
Germany16 Posts
For example to spot incoming drops or to warp in units in a hidden location later in the game. Its easier to remember building these pylons when u dont only build them to raise your supplylimit but also get some other value out of them. I always build pylons way to soon just to have my base covered against possible nydusworms. | ||
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Son of Gnome
United States777 Posts
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
what level are you playing at? what builds are you doing for example when you 3 gate expand the pylon every warp in works good because 3x2 + 2 probes = 8 = 1 pylon and 1 pylon = build time of about a cool down. then you add your robo/more gates and its not enough anymore. honestly its feel. Try and build too many pylons first then work ur way down to the minimum. get your third pylon early while your core is building and keep ahead by one or two. don't count proxy pylons in yoru supply difference because they will probably get killed and then you will get supply blocked. Its better to have too many pylons and be on your warp ins then have not enough. Maybe try having a probe build a pylon every time you have it build anything else + every warp in? to sum up my advice. try and have too many pylons first because its better too many than not enough. | ||
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LtLolburger
New Zealand365 Posts
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insane_
Australia10 Posts
And as others have said, I find it better to be over-building pylons than under-building. | ||
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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
Robos are like 4 supply per round (collosus can be 2 rounds), just plan ahead like "ok this immortal will finish and i need another immortal will I have 4 supply for that? Also warp gates coming up, i will need a pylon to finish before then. Also, building a pylon is slightly shorter build time than 1 warpin (~5 seconds i think). So build a pylon shortly before or shortly after warpin is nice. Its usually better to be 1-2 pylons ahead than to get blocked so don't be afraid to give yourself wiggle room. However early game pylons (first through 4th) should be done perfectly every game ^^ | ||
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oZe
Sweden492 Posts
My best trick is to get upgrades or make more production/tech facilities during the block. Stuff you'll need anyway. Still doesn't help if you get bumrushed though. You should be looking at your min/gas/supply pretty regurlarly anyway. If you don't your play is fundamentally unsound. Work it into your routine. Put a rubberband on your wrist and give yourself a snap everytime you get block yourself ;-) | ||
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
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Que
Australia20 Posts
Because I play Z, I repeat to myself: Tumor, Spray, Overlord. Tumor, Spray, Overlord. so in the gameplay when in the game I am doing all the fancy scouting or Uber micro or busy with whatever other things, when I check any of the three foundamental things I will be reminded to check the other two. if you are playing P you can probabily raise the similar keywords, like chrono, Pylon, something else, Chrono, Pylon, Somehting else. then you will check all three in one string. I don't know whatelse as P you will need to maintain regularly, I know many of my P friends rarely do good boosting after the first 5-6 min into the game. this might sound really nerdy and probabily do not promote super pro image at the begining, but I found it really helps and once you are on the right track you don't have to worry too much about it anymore, once it becomes a habbit and have your own Bio Clock atuned. hope that helps. | ||
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KazmA
United States117 Posts
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Keilah
731 Posts
Once you hit 3 bases just overmake pylons 5 at a time, who cares really =p | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2577 Posts
On October 11 2011 14:13 ComaDose wrote: to sum up my advice. try and have too many pylons first because its better too many than not enough. This is probably the best advice in the thread. It's not good to be floating unnecessary supply, but it's much, much worse to get supply capped. I've done some analysis of my replays, and getting badly supply blocked -- as in not noticing you need a pylon until you literally stop making units -- hurts me about as much as a bad engagement. Another bit of advice I would give is to try creating a game without an opponent (or easy AI) and just execute your rough game plan while macroing up to 200/200 as fast as possible. I started doing this a couple of months ago and I was astounded at how quickly you actually have to build Pylons to keep up with the production you can support on two or three bases. Just building as fast as possible without thinking about engagements or positioning really helps you get a feel for the correct supply tempo at different stages of your build. | ||
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