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Mahtasooma
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany475 Posts
November 28 2011 12:45 GMT
#201
Why would a T 2rax you scouting a 14/14 instead of a hatch first?

That sounds rather suidical to me in the first place, no?
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DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
November 28 2011 13:15 GMT
#202
9: Overlord
14Gas
14 Pool
15 Overlord
15 Queen
17 2xLings, Speed
22 Baneling Nest
21 Overlord
21- Mass Lings

so aside from the standard build you put down a baneling nest, when do you expand or take a third? or is this one of those all-ins you pray your opponent doesn't hold off?
Dance.943 || "I think he's just going to lose. There's only so many ways you can lose. And he's going to make some kind of units. And I'm going to attack him, and then all his stuff is going to die. That's about the best prediction that I can make" - NonY
ElPeque.fogata
Profile Joined May 2010
Uruguay462 Posts
November 28 2011 13:34 GMT
#203
Why so much purism. This is about us all getting better, not winning an MLG.

If it works for me, then it is good enough.

I think the main point is that before tanks or lots of buildings at the ramp (as it is usual when the terran 2raxes), banes can be very efective. If scouted, it gets a lot more difficult to execute, so you need to conceal your intentions.

I've had more success by baneling busting AFTER i quickexpanded and was able to defend the 2rax. Defense usually implies using a lot of drones to fight, and after that you end up having them mining at the natural.

After 2rax, at least at my level http://sc2ranks.com/us/891208/ElPeque they are usually expanding or about to expand with bunkers and feel safe, as they expect you to saturate both hatches.

There you can build your bane nest and prepare a bust. With 2 hatches you can make a lot more lings, and if he tries to scout with an scv, he will just see a ~saturated natural, which looks "not allinish". Having them scan your main at this point is pretty rare, but oh well. If he does, make lair and drone like fuck as he makes 2346346 bunkers.

If it goes really well, you can stream into their base and end it right there. If not so well, you can usually deny their expo while droning up.

If it goes bad, well... good luck and have fun
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TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
November 29 2011 00:59 GMT
#204
On November 28 2011 22:34 ElPeque.fogata wrote:
I've had more success by baneling busting AFTER i quickexpanded and was able to defend the 2rax. Defense usually implies using a lot of drones to fight, and after that you end up having them mining at the natural.

This is viable too, and less all-in. It comes a bit later and has a lower chance of success but it has a more economic follow through.
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TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
January 07 2012 17:59 GMT
#205
Hey guys, there's been skepticism about whether this works against high-level terran players. Here is a new replay using this style against a top GM Terran on NA server:
Tang vs Sterling: http://drop.sc/86287
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elixir_gum
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States82 Posts
January 07 2012 18:46 GMT
#206
nice bump lol
i only hotkey up to 3 NA server: Elixir#940
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
January 07 2012 20:54 GMT
#207
On January 08 2012 03:46 elixir_gum wrote:
nice bump lol

The game was this morning and made me think of this post, I hadn't used the build in a while.
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Nore
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand128 Posts
January 07 2012 21:25 GMT
#208
Coin toss build if dont scout his expo going up dont do this build there are a lot of transitions out of 2rax this is the riskiest response by the zerg
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
January 09 2012 22:20 GMT
#209
On January 08 2012 06:25 Nore wrote:
Coin toss build if dont scout his expo going up dont do this build there are a lot of transitions out of 2rax this is the riskiest response by the zerg

It is a bit risky, and it's not what you should do every game. Still, I think if you playing the same player multiple times on ladder or in a tournament, and they open 2rax aggression both games, hitting them with an aggressive counter-attack is a great way to win the game / shake your opponent's confidence in moving out against you.
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